is the fact that we have G. Gordon Liddy talking about similar plans for the '72 (or was it 76?) elections.
it's not democrat or republican specifically. It just happens that the guys who were behind what happend in '72 were also behind what happend in '04. They just happened to be republican. of course, now we have the problem that most of their ilk ARE the republican party, but that's beside the point.
yes, I've read both. funny enough, both were assigned reading later on in my academic career.:)
The idea that schools are solely for putting out good workers is pretty much struck down by the simple fact that we're taught the concepts that you're referring to through the literary canon. Not to mention also through historical perspectives of life in the US concerning things like child labor, etc.
That is to say that schooling isn't setting up and enforcing ideas like showing up on time and rewarding people who have the mental and emotional stability to do hard work all of the time. It's kind of backwards to think that, but if you're largely incompetent at what you do, then working hard really is no substitute for that. Also, being reliable is one thing, but being anal retentive about it is another.
The fact that we get consumers out of public education has to do more with the fact that we're(America, that is) a nation of consumers and we have a strong consumer culture. Learning things about math isn't going to make me a better consumer. Knowing things about physics isn't going to make me a better consumer. Knowing how to write up a report on an experiment has less to do with doing good work in a work environment and more to do with being taken seriously by your peers. Whether you go back into academia and into theoretical work or if you go into a more practical field.
Also, dealing with structure and bureaucracy is an entirely unintended side effect with working with others. Sometimes the structure is necessary, and sometimes it isn't. Yes, typically schools aren't teaching us when it is and is not necessary, but that's not a fault of schooling per se, that's a fault of focus and curriculum.
It is part of propaganda (and perhaps many religions, of which schooling is a secular one), to hide the alternatives, label them evil, or make them into strawman shadows.
Because kookery is kookery. As much as I hate Ayn Rand... A = A. In fact, it's kind of ironic you chose this path because if not right out explicitly in some parts, these sources you're quoting are pretty much implying that public schooling/mass schooling is evil.
So, some class in a compulsory school program taught you something about C++. A technical skill. Is that all "education" (as distinct from "schooling")is supposed to be about? Skills?
Consider the math, reading, and other skills I'd need before I could understand concepts like big O notation and data structures.
It's not just "some programming" it's the mainstream of how modern computing sciences are that I started to learn about.
"Could college attendance be a form of cowardice?"
Now this is just asinine. The answer is simply no.
Try getting a real job in ANY science field with OUT a degree. No one in the field of biology, physics, math, etc. will talk to you about work. Yes, Jeri Ellsworth did do well by teaching herself, but that was after going after a very risky business venture.
Granted it lead you to appreciate some things like some literature. And you are saying it was worth twelve to thirteen years of your early life to do this? Compared to what alternatives? Home schooling? Unschooling?
Yeah. I wasn't aware of those options when I was 6. Even if I did, I don't think that would've been best for me. Unstructured learning sucks. I tried to self-teach myself Japanese and I'm pretty glad that I didn't actually embarrass myself in public with what would've been really bad and broken language(I've seen this particular scenario play out *too* often). In high school, a bunch of otaku managed to get the principal sold on the idea of a japanese language program in the school and I got some direction I badly needed.
Consider the alternatives to labeling and dividing people and which have been hidden from your view. And then think about how people you trusted did this to you. They took money on your behalf. And left you with a lifetime of industrialized work ahead of you. Consider:
"Work makes a mockery of freedom. The official line is that we all have rights and live in a democracy. Other unfortunates who aren't free like we are have to live in police states. These victims obey orders or else, no matter how arbitrary. The authorities keep them under regular surveillance. State bureaucrats control even the smaller details of everyday life. The officials who push them around are answerable only to higher-ups, public or private. Either way, dissent and disobedience are punished. Informers report regularly to the authorities. All this is supposed to be a very bad thing. And so it is, although it is nothing but a description of the modern workplace. "
It will be painful for many "gifted" people someday to accept they have been had, and all they got was a label (not even the T-shirt):-)
We are never completely free. Period. However, freedom to make one's own decisions in life separates us from the police state. The fact is, alternative schoolings are available. It's possible to remove your children from the system you seem to think is so goddamn oppressive. If it is that oppressive, then it would be illegal to do so. It's so free that it's legal to teach your kids that everything science teaches us is wrong, and that some magic man in the sky controls everything.
Also, yes, our current state of what we as humans consider labor is kind of a joke. However, we do have to eat and somehow provide shelter. Because we live in a capitalistic society, we do have to place value in those who exchange their free time for money based on the agreement that the employer makes with the employee. Sustainabil
i started to learned how to code in C++ when I was 13. When I hit the 2nd level of computer science I had the weird habit of making all comments, reserved words, etc. show up blue in my IDE.
Still to this day, that's the first thing I do in a development environment. I can only imagine what life would be like had I kept checking for alpha numeric characters by checking against the entire range of the alphabet.
Although abusing Goto helped when I started learning ASM.
These sound like the ravings of crazy ass libertarians.
"The truth is that "gifted and talented" programs are fast-track indoctrination courses, not real academics." I've never been in a "GATE"/Gifted and Talented program, but later on in the academic career, most high school honors and Advanced Placement classes do offer advanced academics to students who are either willing to work hard or have the aptitude to finish the coursework.
"I could regale you with mountains of statistics to illustrate the damage schools cause. I could bring before your attention a line of case studies to illustrate the mutilation of specific individuals--even those who have been apparently privileged as its "gifted and talented." What would that prove? You've heard those stories, read these figures before until you went numb from the assault on common sense. School can't be that bad, you say. You survived, didn't you? Or did you? Review what you learned there. Has it made a crucial difference for good in your life? Don't answer. I know it hasn't. You surrendered twelve years of your life because you had no choice. You paid your dues, I paid mine. But who collected those dues?" School isn't bad. I can answer "Has it made a crucial difference for good in your life" easily. First, how to code efficiently and cleanly in C++(I was learning on my own and it lead me to some... bad...habits). Second, it made me appreciate things I never would have. Math, literature and sciences. Bad schooling is the problem.
no. my brother is too lazy to hook up the dvd player and even lazier and cheaper than actually buying an A/V switcher so he just watches movies on the ps2 rather than the decent pioneer dvd player that's sitting in the entertainment centre.
To those who say people wouldn't look; they wouldn't be interested; they're too complacent, indifferent and insulated, I can only reply: There is, in one reporter's opinion, considerable evidence against that contention. But even if they are right, what have they got to lose? Because if they are right, and this instrument is good for nothing but to entertain, amuse and insulate, then the tube is flickering now and we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. This instrument can teach, it can illuminate; yes, and it can even inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise it is merely wires and lights in a box. Good night, and good luck.
-- Edward R. Murrow Those who abandon the media of TV are responsible for it sucking a whole lot. Excuse me, my TiVo of Countdown with Keith Olbermann is ready.
It alone is not necessarily worth the additional cost for HD, but having all of HBO's content in HD(ok, shows like Real Time aren't in HD, but who needs to watch Bill Maher in HD? Love the guy, don't need him 16:9), etc is great. Being able to watch the entire run of the StarWars movies in HD was incredible. Made me realize why I love them in the first place.
Although for me, what's worth an HD set is gaming. Plain and simple. Guilty Gear just simply looks stunning in progressive scan. All of my VGA enabled Dreamcast games just look damn good in progressive scan and with negligable lag compared to my normal CRT.
actually, the reality is is that the discussion goes further.
"Won't this mean that there's the consequence where Halliburton is now with out any sort of obligation to actually do any of the work we tell them to do?"
Putting the Matrix in this category is kind of wrong too.
The Matrix runs on rules that are quite different than the outside world. Of course it's against the laws of physics to be able to jump from one roof top to another over a 100 yards+ away. But it's a computer simulation, so it is possible in that context.
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is the fact that we have G. Gordon Liddy talking about similar plans for the '72 (or was it 76?) elections.
it's not democrat or republican specifically. It just happens that the guys who were behind what happend in '72 were also behind what happend in '04. They just happened to be republican. of course, now we have the problem that most of their ilk ARE the republican party, but that's beside the point.
There's nothing stopping you from importing quicktime transcoded h.264 or other MPEG4 style videos into iTunes.
i transposed two digits.
There's the reason *I* wasn't in the TAG program.
...and how did you end up in the tag program!? :)
yes, I've read both. funny enough, both were assigned reading later on in my academic career. :)
The idea that schools are solely for putting out good workers is pretty much struck down by the simple fact that we're taught the concepts that you're referring to through the literary canon. Not to mention also through historical perspectives of life in the US concerning things like child labor, etc.
That is to say that schooling isn't setting up and enforcing ideas like showing up on time and rewarding people who have the mental and emotional stability to do hard work all of the time. It's kind of backwards to think that, but if you're largely incompetent at what you do, then working hard really is no substitute for that. Also, being reliable is one thing, but being anal retentive about it is another.
The fact that we get consumers out of public education has to do more with the fact that we're(America, that is) a nation of consumers and we have a strong consumer culture. Learning things about math isn't going to make me a better consumer. Knowing things about physics isn't going to make me a better consumer. Knowing how to write up a report on an experiment has less to do with doing good work in a work environment and more to do with being taken seriously by your peers. Whether you go back into academia and into theoretical work or if you go into a more practical field.
Also, dealing with structure and bureaucracy is an entirely unintended side effect with working with others. Sometimes the structure is necessary, and sometimes it isn't. Yes, typically schools aren't teaching us when it is and is not necessary, but that's not a fault of schooling per se, that's a fault of focus and curriculum.
It is part of propaganda (and perhaps many religions, of which schooling is a secular one), to hide the alternatives, label them evil, or make them into strawman shadows.
Because kookery is kookery. As much as I hate Ayn Rand... A = A. In fact, it's kind of ironic you chose this path because if not right out explicitly in some parts, these sources you're quoting are pretty much implying that public schooling/mass schooling is evil.
So, some class in a compulsory school program taught you something about C++. A technical skill. Is that all "education" (as distinct from "schooling")is supposed to be about? Skills?
Consider the math, reading, and other skills I'd need before I could understand concepts like big O notation and data structures.
It's not just "some programming" it's the mainstream of how modern computing sciences are that I started to learn about.
"Could college attendance be a form of cowardice?"
Now this is just asinine. The answer is simply no.
Try getting a real job in ANY science field with OUT a degree. No one in the field of biology, physics, math, etc. will talk to you about work. Yes, Jeri Ellsworth did do well by teaching herself, but that was after going after a very risky business venture.
Granted it lead you to appreciate some things like some literature. And you are saying it was worth twelve to thirteen years of your early life to do this? Compared to what alternatives? Home schooling? Unschooling?
Yeah. I wasn't aware of those options when I was 6. Even if I did, I don't think that would've been best for me. Unstructured learning sucks. I tried to self-teach myself Japanese and I'm pretty glad that I didn't actually embarrass myself in public with what would've been really bad and broken language(I've seen this particular scenario play out *too* often). In high school, a bunch of otaku managed to get the principal sold on the idea of a japanese language program in the school and I got some direction I badly needed.
Consider the alternatives to labeling and dividing people and which have been hidden from your view. And then think about how people you trusted did this to you. They took money on your behalf. And left you with a lifetime of industrialized work ahead of you. Consider:
:-)
"Work makes a mockery of freedom. The official line is that we all have rights and live in a democracy. Other unfortunates who aren't free like we are have to live in police states. These victims obey orders or else, no matter how arbitrary. The authorities keep them under regular surveillance. State bureaucrats control even the smaller details of everyday life. The officials who push them around are answerable only to higher-ups, public or private. Either way, dissent and disobedience are punished. Informers report regularly to the authorities. All this is supposed to be a very bad thing. And so it is, although it is nothing but a description of the modern workplace. "
It will be painful for many "gifted" people someday to accept they have been had, and all they got was a label (not even the T-shirt)
We are never completely free. Period. However, freedom to make one's own decisions in life separates us from the police state. The fact is, alternative schoolings are available. It's possible to remove your children from the system you seem to think is so goddamn oppressive. If it is that oppressive, then it would be illegal to do so. It's so free that it's legal to teach your kids that everything science teaches us is wrong, and that some magic man in the sky controls everything.
Also, yes, our current state of what we as humans consider labor is kind of a joke. However, we do have to eat and somehow provide shelter. Because we live in a capitalistic society, we do have to place value in those who exchange their free time for money based on the agreement that the employer makes with the employee. Sustainabil
i started to learned how to code in C++ when I was 13. When I hit the 2nd level of computer science I had the weird habit of making all comments, reserved words, etc. show up blue in my IDE.
Still to this day, that's the first thing I do in a development environment. I can only imagine what life would be like had I kept checking for alpha numeric characters by checking against the entire range of the alphabet.
Although abusing Goto helped when I started learning ASM.
because it's FUNNY.
The big deal here isn't that Wikipedia reported Sinbad died, it's that people got interested in the fact that wikipedia reported he died.
It's exactly like the Obama/Madrassas deal. Except funny. Also, not about fundamentalist islam.
They're an arts college, so this should be a perfect demonstration of Apple's OS dominance in the field of digital arts.
in relative position to the rest of the galaxy vs our lifetimes, it's going to be where we found it when we die.
Position of the sun is irrelevant to the operation of windows Vista.
I'd say more the status of chickens is.
Hate to nit pick astronomically, but...
Sun doesn't move much.
It moves, but, not by much...
Uh, tech savvy?
I want BluRay to win because I want a 6 layer recordable 200 gig disk.
i want to stuff an entire mame romset on one disk.
so is that why Samsung, Panasonic, LG and other manufacturers don't have BD players?
Oh wait, they do... Or they do have them in the pipe.
no. my brother is too lazy to hook up the dvd player and even lazier and cheaper than actually buying an A/V switcher so he just watches movies on the ps2 rather than the decent pioneer dvd player that's sitting in the entertainment centre.
-- Edward R. Murrow Those who abandon the media of TV are responsible for it sucking a whole lot. Excuse me, my TiVo of Countdown with Keith Olbermann is ready.
It alone is not necessarily worth the additional cost for HD, but having all of HBO's content in HD(ok, shows like Real Time aren't in HD, but who needs to watch Bill Maher in HD? Love the guy, don't need him 16:9), etc is great. Being able to watch the entire run of the StarWars movies in HD was incredible. Made me realize why I love them in the first place.
Although for me, what's worth an HD set is gaming. Plain and simple. Guilty Gear just simply looks stunning in progressive scan. All of my VGA enabled Dreamcast games just look damn good in progressive scan and with negligable lag compared to my normal CRT.
Heroes.
Heroes has been pulling high ratings all season and has been shown in order.
It's guilt by actions and proof. Not by association.
Halliburton has paid a record low in taxes and has had a record high in profits since the Iraq war started
Because until last November, Halliburton did have representation at the top most level of the executive branch in a republican controlled Government?
actually, the reality is is that the discussion goes further.
"Won't this mean that there's the consequence where Halliburton is now with out any sort of obligation to actually do any of the work we tell them to do?"
"...so?"
If you've got representation at the head of Government, and you still think you're paying to much in taxes, then that's greed.
Putting the Matrix in this category is kind of wrong too.
The Matrix runs on rules that are quite different than the outside world. Of course it's against the laws of physics to be able to jump from one roof top to another over a 100 yards+ away. But it's a computer simulation, so it is possible in that context.
"I'm sorry, I'm not really into Pokemon."
Air America radio is worth 13 bucks a month to me.