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Ubuntu Feisty Fawn Drawing Near
daria42 writes "Ubuntu developers are finalizing preparations for the release of the next version — dubbed Feisty Fawn — of the popular Linux distribution in mid-April. Overnight, Ubuntu developer Tollef Fog Heen announced Ubuntu's main software repository had been frozen — with no changes allowed to the code — as developers got ready to issue a fifth major test version ("Herd 5") of the next version of Ubuntu."
Fuck, I just spent $399 on Vista Ultimate!!!!
Looks like Zero Install will be included!
http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4206
I read it as "Toilet Fog Heen", which is an even better name.
And I can say is that Feisty is a big improvement over Edgy, both in hardware support and software "smoothness". It is a pity that Xorg 7.2 will not be ready for Feisty launch, but this is certainly a candidate to bring an alternative to Windows on the Desktop.
I thought a new furry con had entered the scene.
As opposed to freezes where you are allowed to change things...
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Actually Xorg 7.2 is currently on its way to feisty, thanks to efforts by a community member, working together with Debian and helped by some Ubuntu core developers: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/200 7-February/023252.html
The xserver-xorg-core is already version at 7.2 (or "1.2") now, with the rest of the modules going in gradually. With the modularity of X.org nowadays, it's not certain that all the newest driver work will be in, though. For example the ati driver has seen only some important patches backported to feisty, while there has been a lot of development and reworking without a proper release of xserver-xorg-video-ati lately.
About six months ago I finally decided to switch from my ancient Mandrake 10.2 to Ubuntu 6.10. At the time it seemed like a good choice, and the newer Gnome seemed to be a better option than the older KDE in Mandrake, and Ubuntu solved or avoided a lot of brain damage inherent in Mandrake. I started off as a very happy user.
However as I have been using Ubuntu, I'm finding I like it less and less. Gnome turned out to have a bunch of annoying issues (Mounting a remote FTP server is just a mess, for example). Evolution is nowhere near as good as KMail and contains so many irritating and obvious bugs I'm currently only sticking with it because migrating my five-years worth of email into it was such a pain in the ass I don't fancy going through it again. I attempting to install KMail from Add/Remove Programs at one point but as it simply doesn't work because large parts of KDE are not installed correctly, and anyway it seems dumb to run half of KDE just to use one application. There is nothing comparable to K3b for Gnome in the repositories. Enabling additional repositories isn't as simple as I was led to believe. A lot of the software that is in the repositories seems to be very old versions, and even more of the software there seems to be half-finished or half-baked (Gnomebaker and QDVDAuthor are two recent examples). There are now enough issues that irritate me about Ubuntu as there were with Mandrake before it, so what have I gained? If anything it seems to have been a retrograde step: at least with Mandrake I have KMail and K3b!
I guess my next step will be the try Kubuntu instead, and at least attempt to get back some functional basic applications. Frankly, I relish the thought about as much as I fancy the idea of a root canal.
Compositors(compiz, beryl, xcompmgr) in the repositories and emerge(for enlightenment DR17).
Please would you point major features of Xorg 7.2 so it is a pity it does not get included? (not pretending to troll, I'm just ignorant).
I realize I'm ignorant, being a guy weaned on Windows and all, but... doesn't "frozen code" defeat the whole purpose of Linux, GNU and the Open Source movement? I'm confuzzled.
Let's stop dilly-dallying and just change "-1: Overrated" to "-1: Disagree" or "-1: Doesn't Subscribe to Groupthink".
Congratulations to the GNU hackers on the release of Herd 5!
I just switched from Ubuntu to Kubuntu, because Ubuntu is infected with Mono.
While KDE has way, way too many UI tweaks available in its preferences, I just switched the theme to Plastik and stopped fiddling with everything else. Other than that, KDE beats Gnome in every way.
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
I'll wait for the "zombie zebra"
667 - one step ahead of the beast.
It is all fine and dandy that Zero Install i available from the Universe repository. But if it is not installed by default, then it is still a mess for publishers to support ubuntu! :/
Ooooh, first you have to install this program, and then you can install my program... It still does not cut it
I've been beta-testing Kubuntu Feisty for about a month now, and it's amazing. It's already a huge improvement over Edgy. Everything is so intuitive and easy to use; Feisty is going to kick ass.
Some of the new stuff they've added are a new wireless network manager by default, big improvements to the package installation system, easy codec/flash installation, lots of user interface tweaks... It looks so polished now, I love it.
Here are the Herd release announcements, containing a subset of the changes Feisty brings:
https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd1/Kubuntu
https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd2/Kubuntu
https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd3/Kubuntu
https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu
Is it just me or does Feisty seem noticeably quicker than Edgy? OK, my Edgy was getting a little bloated which is one of the reasons I updated to Feisty, but is seems to boot a lot quicker and my Desktop seems to be up in seconds after logging in from GDM.
A bargain compared to paying $699 to SCO!
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While Gnome is Ok....I think KDE is, overall, the better package...and Kontact has really improved. I was a big evolution fan, but now I think Kontact has surpassed it. At this point, I even prefer Koqueror to Firfox.
I've been away from KDE for a little over a year (using Gnome with Ubuntu). Prior to that, I ran SuSE (with KDE of course). So, I've spent a reasonable amount of time with both desktops. This latest KDE seems to be more responsive than I remember it (but perhaps Kubuntu is less resourse hungry than SuSE).
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GP, simply hop into a terminal and type:
sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
sudo apt-get autoremove
No need to reinstall anything; it's that easy to switch. If you liked KDE in Mandrake, you'll surely like KDE in Kubuntu.
I, for one, welcome our new Ubun...
...
Oh, wait...
Nothing to see here, move along.
Surely i'm not the only simpleton XP user that longs to switch to Linux if only I could get WoW running in just a few clicks. I'll spend a couple hours installing a distro, if it's not going to force me to spend a couple weeks reading and trial-and-error'ing my way through linux hell only to realize it's hopeless and i'll never get my game running. :(
RTFM is so 1999.
I simply can't remember what names equal what versions anymore. I guess for people that only deal with Ubuntu, that's all you know, so you remember the names. I had this problem with debian as well: which one was the newer distro, ham or potato? Whatever happened to plain old numbers?
But I understand the point of Gnome.
Can you please explain it to me?
I've been a die-hard KDE user for about eight years. But at Christmas a friend of mine suggested that I give GNOME a try. So I've been using GNOME 2.16 since the start of January. And you know what? I've hated every minute of it. My productivity has tanked, and my system is now quite unstable. I promised to use it until the end of March, at which time I'm sure I'll be switching back to KDE.
My main complaint is the extremely poor performance of GNOME. It's nowhere near as responsive as KDE. Being written in C, I thought it'd be much quicker than the C++-based KDE. But perhaps the pseduo-OO layer of GTK+ really destroys its performance.
Maybe the performance of GNOME is hindered by its excessive use of system resources. Whenever I use Nautilus for anything greater than about 25 minutes, its memory usage balloons. I'm talking about it consuming 750 MB to 800 MB of RAM, according to top. Thankfully, I have 2 GB of RAM in my system. But with a couple of Nautius processes consuming nearly 1 GB of RAM, plus other running applications, I find my system starts to swap, resulting in terrible performance.
The stability is also terrible. I don't recall ever crashing any KDE applications, let alone the main processes of KDE itself. On the other hand, I've had some GNOME app or component crash out on nearly a daily basis. I can't use Evolution because it crashes whenever I go to check for new mail. Even some of the games crash!
So I find myself wondering why people would want to use GNOME. It's clear to me that KDE is superior in just about every way. KDE is more responsive. KDE doesn't crash every now and then. KDE uses far less memory than GNOME. With GNOME it's so easy to see all of the problems, and so difficult to find anything good about it. So I ask, why do people continue to use GNOME, when KDE and XFCE are far superior? I'd almost have to guess it's a semi-religious obsession that makes them put up with such nonsense.
Where have I been?!?! RMS is already up to version 5?!?!
Now I should throw a chair at Miguel de Icaza or something.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
now THAT was funny.
Feisy Fawn is even closer as I type!
Tollef Fog Heen came back from lunch and just turned on his screen. Now that is progress.
Oh man, we live excilarating times.
Please check back for updates:
In one hour Tollef Fog Heen will finish to write an email.
In three hours Tollef Fog Heen will complete one icon missing in one of the menus in the graphic installer.
In 5 hours Tollef Fog Heen goes home. Nooooooo! Ubuntu development stalled! Stop the presses....
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Dapper Drake (6.06) was an LTS release. Edgy Eft (6.10) was not an LTS release. Does anyone know if Feisty Fawn will be LTS or not?
Ubuntu version names are (now) alphabetical, so Dapper Drake preceded Edgy Eft, which precedes Feisty Fawn. The names are always Adjective Animal ('eft' is another name for a newt).
:)
With the headline and the above sentence, I can now see why Linux isn't ready for the mass market with such bizarre wording.
Perhaps plain, boring version numbers would be better. The goofy names are just asking the writers of Hot Shots! to come up with some joke like the phonetics they used.
If the media production tools that are planned for UbuntuStudio turn out to be halfway decent, with support for at least one of the major plug-in types, then I will happily adopt it,
I would so like to see a distro of Linux that focuses primarily on media production. I'd gladly pay for it. If I had enough money to make an impact, I'd definitely contribute to an effort to produce a competitive OS to Windows and MacOS. I think we're being hurt by those two companies being the only serious commercial competitors for personal desktops, despite the ostensible adversarial relationship between MS and Apple.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Plus, you have to enable to the Universe repository, as it is NOT enabled by default.
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I actually thought Debian was closing in on a release quite soon when they slipped their December release goal. Well, it's now March tomorrow and they still haven't even gotten RC2 out the door. Yes, I can understand the "when it's ready" but if you run into so long delays that you could have an intermediate release, then it's better than no release at all. At this rate, Ubuntu might have their next LTS version out before Debian does...
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Feisty Fawn is not sexy enough. I'm going to wait for the Nubile Nymph release.
WoW runs very well under Cedega, and probably/possibly regular WINE as well. Cedega worked well with Ubuntu Dapper, and I haven't heard anything that would suggest that it's broken since then. I have a vague recollection that there was a WINE release recently, where they claimed full WoW support, but I have no idea how WINE compares to Cedega for ease of install and use.
Basically, you just want to install Ubuntu, and then before you change anything too far from the defaults or otherwise mess with things, install Cedega; then install WoW.
Before I got a Mac that was fast enough to handle WoW, I played it on a 1.9GHz P4 with a fairly unimpressive NVidia Quadro NVS card (64MB, maybe?), and it was entirely playable, although the FPS dropped to what you'd expect given that setup, in the more crowded areas. I assume with better hardware that you'd be all set.
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I swear I thought it said "Toilet Frog" at first.
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I hope the upgrade-via-apt-get process goes much more smoothly this time... I had a lot of troubles going to 6.10 last fall using this method, and I noticed a number of other people did, too. I ended up having to just download the ISO and install fresh because I messed up my existing installation beyond repair just by trying to update... Either way, it was worth it, since I love the improvements that Edgy introduced. It is by far the slickest distro I've used.
One thing to keep in mind is that if you upgrade to Feisty Fawn by just updating your list of apt repositories, do NOT do a dist-upgrade to their apt servers on release day since thousands of other people will be doing it at the same time. The load will slow it down just about to the point of timing out (at least in my experience). If you want to upgrade to it on release day, I'd recommend using bittorrent to get the ISO (faster this way) and then doing an apt-get dist-upgrade with that CD-ROM as a new apt repository.
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...starting with an "H" and all....
A goal is a dream with a deadline
Yes. And the release after that will be Homosexual Hermaphrodite.
Linux: It's even more gay than OS X.
I'm running Edgy at home, and I use Thunderbird in lieu of Evolution (which I hate as much as you do). As for K3b, you can apt-get install GnomeBaker, which, while not quite as good as the superlative k3b, meets my (meager) needs for burning backup data DVD's.
I went in the other direction - my "must-have app" was Pan. I couldn't find a KDE newsreader that handles multi-part MIME messages in any sort of sane way.
"Can't you see that everyone is buying station wagons?"
Is upstart based at all on Apple / MacOS X's launchd? They created that basically to speed up OS X's boot time, and it did so dramatically. I believe that it's Apache (or BSD?) licensed and Apple was hopeful that it would be included in other systems and become the standard way of doing things, although there was a lot of cynicism that the mainstream Linux/UNIX community would never give up init and rc, regardless of the technical merits of any replacements. Granted, it doesn't give you the System V-like multiple runlevels, but I'm not sure that most desktop users are ever going to care. They're either going to use the computer normally, or boot into some sort of low level recovery mode from the boot prompt if things go pear-shaped. The idea of multiple runlevels is more confusing than anything for non-technical users.
FWIW, I was initially skeptical of launchd and launchctl after upgrading my Mac to 10.4, but I've since learned to really appreciate the design of both of them. Some serious thought went into both, and I think they both represent a rethinking of some processes that have just been carried over in other UNIX-based OSes from the days of minis and mainframes to desktops, and aren't necessarily the best way of doing things.
I think it's natural that in the future we're going to see more differentiation between desktop Linux distros and server ones, besides the amount of software that's installed. Fast-boot systems like launchd would be one welcome addition to desktop distros (although their utility might be more questionable on servers that are rarely restarted and where the dynamic launching of services on an as-needed basis might be a misfeature).
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I find myself at a funny point now. Ubuntu is certainly my distro of choice, and its the only OS I really use. But now that it works well enough for me to focus on my work rather than having to wrestle with the OS, I don't really care that much about one upgrade to the next.
I've did install Feisty Herd 4 (+ update) on my HP laptop to see if they fixed the ACPI issues that have always plagued me. (Won't suspend or hibernate when I close the lid.) No real improvement there (although if I manually make it suspend, it does act a little more normal after waking up than it does with Edgy.) But without that improvement, I just find myself kind of, I dunno... content with Edgy. It's a nice but slightly disappointing place to be.
You also need to tell Wine to use OpenGL by adding a couple lines config file. It's step 4 in the appdb link I posted. So one additional step.
"Ubuntu Feisty Fawn Drawing Near"
> Command? (A)ttack (S)pell (I)tem (R)un:
Thanks for your work, I'm broke but I can afford at least this.
It will let the dev know you care, and supply him with caffeine for a day. In addition if we all did this for our favorite distros and apps these devs would be well paid!
-nB
whois gawk date unzip strip find touch finger mount join nice man top fsck grep eject more yes exit umount sleep dump
VMWare tools will catch up so I can upgrade. At the moment they don't support anything later than 5.10 out of the box, and I'm not going to cobble together a working version from "how to" posts on the forum.
The trashcan applet is still broken on the desktop/liveCD. It's been broken for about a year now.
The desktop/liveCD now set's it's time and date over the network, that's a welcome improvement.
The gnome control center is a new addition, this cleans up the menus, I'm not quite sure if I like it yet or not.
The update-notifier daemon was running again on the desktop/liveCD, this is a regression.
General clumsiness during bootup of desktop/liveCD, awkward pauses, blank screens, graphic glitches.
Not possible to lock screen in a liveCD session if one creates a new user or if one creates a password.
Memory usage was up on the liveCD, perhaps this will come down as we get closer to release.
Persistence feature needs to be improved to auto-detect the proper media.
We need a USB-key version of the desktop/liveCD.
Have you seen Dynebolic? Nice work if you ask me, just take a look. All you have to do is burn the CD and reboot. Hope you like it http://dynebolic.org/
La vida no es una pastafrola.
I have a widescreen laptop (as I expect plenty of people do) and I tried Ubuntu Live on it, but it failed to recognize the aspect ratio, and therefore everything was stretched out and ugly. Not good.
Then I tried it on my main system (where I do a lot of video and photo editing, so I'm unlikely to switch full time), but came up empty when Ubuntu didn't work with three monitors.
Is this version of the OS going to address needs like my relatively-standard non-standard display issues?
that would be that using animal names in products is perfectly fine... Tiger, Leopard, etc...
So on what are you basing your opinion?
Back in the mists of time, Qt wasn't licensed under a free software license. Therefore, the GNOME project was started as a way to create a desktop environment that would be GPL/LGPL compatible. Rather than merely clone Qt as free software, the developers opted to start again from scratch.
.NET technologies.
Then TrollTech made Qt available under the GPL. Unfortunately, GNOME continued; by that point, there were too many egos involved, and too many wheels had been reinvented. These days GNOME is mostly there (a) as an ego trip, and (b) because it's more compatible with cheapskate proprietary software developers.
The latter needs some further explanation. Basically, GNOME and GTK+ are LGPL licensed, not GPL licensed, so you can develop proprietary closed-source software for GNOME for free. In contrast, you have to pay money to develop proprietary closed-source KDE software, because you need to negotiate a non-GPL license for Qt with TrollTech. GNOME also includes Mono as part of the core GNOME desktop, so you can use the patented proprietary Microsoft
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
Okay, I agree that it's just common courtesy/ethics that that monopolists have to abide by stricter rule, in much the same way that battleships have to abide by stricter navigation rule than kayaks (e.g. a kayak can make a sudden turn with little impact, but a sudden battleship turn would have a wake that could cause serious damage).
However, word processing is considered essential technology these days, in much the same way that TCP/IP and CD burning and desktop searches, and I don't hear many complains about bundling those.
The key difference between MS Windows XP's bundling CD burning/desktop search and bundling MS Office is: the former relies on open technologies (anyone can build a replacement) whereas the latter does not (e.g. DOC/OOXML, VB, OLE, etc) and so competitors need to make a significant investment to reverse engineer them (especially on non Microsoft platforms).
It's that simple.
If the version of MS Office that were bundled with MS Windows:
(1) saved using ODF by default
(2) used open standards for all technologies in preference to Microsoft home grown technologies.
(3) used open languages like Python or an ISO standard like Object Oriented Pascal for scripting instead of Visual Basic
(4) did not include any operating system specific features (e.g. DRM keys that are only known by Microsoft to tie documents to computers)
Then the bundling would *not* be locking anyone into MS Windows and would not prevent competition (e.g. OpenOffice, WordPerfect) from offering word processors that targets audiences that Microsoft doesn't.
Reason #1: Windows + Office market share: 95%; Linux + OpenOffice: ~1-2% Reason #2: Ubuntu + Openoffice is free. Bundling MS Office costs you big $.
migrate your mail: I installed my own IMAP server (courier-imap, use Maildir-format to store mail in individual users' $HOME, configure system-wide fetchmail to deliver email to users). That way you can change tour mail client on a daily basis, since they all support IMAP, and your mail stays in the same place. As an added bonus you can use email on other computers in your house if you have a laptop with WiFi ot something like that. Once you've set your IMAP up, you can darag-and-drop historic email from your "old" evolution email into IMAP, close evolution for good, and run Kmail, thunderbird, mutt, ot whatever else you like.
I too have been using Feisty for almost a month (coming from Edgy Eft). It's friendlier to the user. Stuff I had to hunt for on Dapper and Edgy is included. Wireless is working out of the box. There is also a single "Ubuntu Restricted Extras" package that takes care of all the MP3, Java, Flash(9) restricted format stuff.
It has Xorg 7.2, though I don't really care. Could not get the the standard "Desktop Effects" (Compiz) in the control panel to work with the ATI fglrx driver, but hear it's working on Nvidia. I don't want Compiz or Beryl anyway.
32-bit Feisty seems stable, and boots and runs faster than XP on my new 64-bit HP Compaq nx9420 laptop. (I didn't bother with the AMD64 version of Feisty). Linux has not quite caught up with the hardware. The laptop can finally recover from suspend (keyboard locks up with the default setting.) Battery life on Linux sucks as usual (less than 3 hours).
That's ok. Use Vista until Grumpy Gnu. Maybe even Horny Hippo.
I just switched over to Xubuntu from Gentoo/Xfce yesterday, and all I can say is "WOW!" I had imported all my settings and got all the software I needed installed within 3 hours, including getting my CD burner working which I was NEVER able to do on Gentoo. When I first installed Gentoo it took me about 2 WEEKS to get most things set up properly.
I think I'm in love. I'll be reccomending [Xu|Ku|U]buntu to everybody from now on (well, unless they're trying to run a server I guess, but in that case I would hope they don't need my opinion!)
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You mean kind of like Apple is doing with iTunes, Apple Stores, etc? Oh wait, never mind. We Slashdotters only view Microsoft as a monopoly: Apple get's our "Most Favored Monopoly Status", so we always give them a pass. Since Bill Gates chooses to fight cancer, Slashdot thus, by necessity, must become pro-cancer.
From the article poster:
Is that like being the prettiest girl in the trailer park?
"Okay, I agree that it's just common courtesy/ethics..."
Well, no. It's more than a question of courtesy and ethics. It is blatantly illegal to use a monopoly product to gain an advantage over rival products in other markets. I.E. If you have a monopoly OS you may not use that OS to gain an advantage in the browser, word processor or media player markets.
Bundling has that effect. Almost all computers come with Microsoft's OS preinstalled. If they bundle Office with the OS that most people run by default it puts other competing products at an unfair disadvantage since everyone will simply use the bundled product. It doesn't really matter that Microsoft supports other formats because other companies which are trying to sell competing products will still loose the revenue that they may have gained if millions of potential customers didn't already get Microsoft's bundled product.
The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
Eft, Fawn, Hedgehog...
;-)
Panther, Tiger, Leopard, Cougar...
All are animals but some are more animal than the others
[It's not just what the name denotes, it's what associations it connotes. This is where over-logical geeks sometimes tend to be blind. (As well as in the belief that people will "properly" use version numbers when they talk about software and other computer stuff -- you will certainly see "Feisty Fawn" all over teh intarweb in the upcoming reviews and used in normal discussions after that). But fortunately Feisty Fawn appears to be such an excellent distro that the excellence easily outweighs and negates the slightly embarrassing name.]
Suspend and Hibernate should work. (Maybe some light tweaking.) It's working on my HP nx9420.
I have been running *Ubuntu since the Warty days (as my only workstation OS), and I do love it.
I use KDE on the backend with fluxbox as my WM.
Will Feisty allow me to install Beryl/Compiz via apt and give my eye-candy for flux?
(A) I LOVE with speed and configurability of Flux.
(B) I am envious of all the neeto window-manager effects that compiz allows
(C) I am not willing to run Gnome or KDE as my WM in-order to get the eyecandy.
Am I crazy-insane or insane-crazy?
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." ~Plato (427-347 BC)
I anti-competitive laws are there to ensure that competition occurs. Not just to address lock-in. If Debian were a monopoly then yes, it would and should be illegal to bundle an office product.
The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
In 2017, will Feisty Fawn be renamed as "Old Buck"?
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You know you've stumbled into an *NIX-centric discussion when people say 'reboot every few days' like it's a bad thing.
Giggly Gnu
Happy Hamster
Icy Ichthyosaur
Jumping Jehosaphat
Killer Klown (from outer space)
Lame Liger
Manly Man (Mugabe Memorial edition)
Numb Nut
Oppresive Opposum
Permissive Penguin
Quaaludinous Quail
Raw-throated Rhinovirus
Submissive Sasquatch
Tasty Tuna on Rye with Lettuce and Tomato, Soda, and Side of Fries
Unpredicable Unexpected Cotton Rat (really, look it up)
Valorous Vampire Bat
Wet Weasel
Xenu's Xliii
Yawny Yeti
Zootropic Zygophyllacea Scale
Towards the Singularity.
"I'm sorry, I'm not really into Pokemon."
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
That's because you're a xenophobic asshole.
This is a non-starter discussion. Microsoft has already been found guiltily of abusing its monopoly power through the tactics I described in earlier posts. I suggest you read the transcripts etc.
The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
Breezy Badger. Dapper Drake. WTF is with the silly names? I prefer "Gentoo 2006.1"
I run XP at work on my laptop.
For the last 3 years, I've kept a second HDD around with linux on it.
Every few months I put it in to see if it works well enough for me to switch
to that as my desktop (I'm an ex-dev turned manager).
It used to be Fedora, and for the last 2 years, its been ubuntu
because of its simply brilliant simplicity.
And so far its never worked.
Dual monitors didn't work, or evolution to exchange wasn't reliable,
or WPA to my office and home didn't work/switch reliably, or mounting
windows server shares wasn't reliable. The
list goes on over the last few years.
Well, a couple of weeks ago I made the switch again.
And so far everythings worked just fine**.
Network Manager is great.
Dual Monitors works.
Evolution is stable***.
Places works a treat.
There's some grumbles still:
- beagle refuses to index an SMB share, and to even get
it to look at an SMB share is non trivial.
- setting up dual monitors is a ***pain***. Its trivial
on windows. But once you find the right incarnation, its
ok.
I'm going to blaspheme here....
Its not as good as XP. (ducks) Those issues I have had and still do
have with Ubuntu... they *just work* under windows.
Dual monitors is trivial, WIFIs are trivial, indexing
is trivial...
So to all those people who think its the year of linux on the desktop...
sorry nope.
But its still is extremely valuable:
a) it pushes MS to produce better product. MS *need* that competition,
without it they lose focus.
b) its darn good for a free OS and brings the price of a PC down
c) it serves an important purpose in an increasingly DRM controlled
world (you *can* choose to get away from products that monitor
you and limit your freedom).
Just my $0.02c worth.
** except that the ATI driver
doesnt' support DVI to the second monitor, just analog, but I can live
with that.
*** well - mostly, but enough.
Scott James Remnant gave an upstart talk at this year's linuxconf.au. There's mention of launchd, initng and other sysv init replacements along with a discussion to moving to event based launching.
(1) the splash to stay 'Ubuntu' even though I use Kubuntu' - why can't I choose? :-). I really like what the Ubuntu guys are doing so as soon as they come up with a usable server I'll be using it.
:-). I guess it's time to find webmin again..
(2) a decent server. I tried Fedora but found the interface inconsistent (maybe I should have read more docs), OpenSuSE does the job with Yast but to get cups to server printing to a couple of Windows boxes is a pain but it's so far the quickest to setup re. serving Samba, Apache, MySQL for people like me that have not so much time to plough through man pages and docs (though I'm not exactly a stranger to CLI - I've been using Linux since it came on floppies and X was an option
Now, if someone has a web way to set up Postfix + IMAP with a couple of domains and aliases I'd be interested, but that's a new question which I haven't researched yet myself
Ubuntu: intelligent freedom..
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can you even have a homosexual hermaphrodite?
being vague is almost as cool as doing that other thing...
I tried this for a while and got completely slammed in the end. I was backing up my Linux files from my Windows partition, using the Windows ReiserFS tools. Except apparently they don't allow maildir-style file names, and don't care to warn you of this when you try to copy them. So, all my mail was lost. Such is life, I suppose.
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Because I'm sick of Linux distros not being able to do dual screens. Windows has been plug and play for this for over a decade. Yes, I know that SUSE can do it most... some of the time, but I would like to use Kubuntu without spending two days of my life hacking at XFree86 to make it work.
I was having all kinds of problems with fedora on my laptop mostly relating to very poor powermanagement, and an odd but persistent problem that dropped the connection to my wireless router, and would not allow me to reconnect without rebooting or restarting the network interface. Anyhow, after reading the falling out with Eric Raymond last week, I decided to give Kubuntu a whirl (had to be Kubuntu, as I'm a devout KDE fan). I could not believe how well it worked. I think that booting from the live DVD gave me a more functional hardware configuration than I was able to achieve manually on Fedora. Aside from the issue of having to delete my / partition to get the installer to play nice, its been a breeze ever since. I cannot say that I have had to fiddle with any config files or mess around with hacks like ndiswrapper or copying windows firmware to get WiFi working. I had my system running in about half the time that a fresh install of Fedora would take (or perhaps less). The icing on the cake was that I was able to do a full update in Adept with some extra apps loaded as well in less time than it would take yumex to get to the 'Are you sure?' window. Two thumbs way up for Kubuntu!
I can't think of a way in which you couldn't.
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I agree that Ubuntu is a great distribution but comparing it to Gentoo on the basis of speed and easiness of installation is unfair. If those were the most important issues for you, you should have stayed clear of Gentoo.
There is a plethora of distributions with similar installation/configuration experience.
No, dyslexic you judgemental prick
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After a long hiatus, I've decided to install Linux as my desktop OS again. I am curently choosing between Ubuntu and Xubuntu. Anyone care to recommend (or not recommend) Xubuntu over Ubuntu? How different is it from the original flavor? I'm also thinking of installing Xubuntu Feisty Fawn (currently on Herd 2). FWIW, I was using Windowmaker a few years ago at my previous job, and like the way it looks. However, it took me a while to customize my desktop, and I don't want that kind of hassle anymore.
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I've been waiting all day for the Herd 5 images to come out, but no dice. It appears like the release will be much farther delayed as there are still a couple more bugs to address.
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