Like I said it seems they're plugging the blackberry phone integration pretty hard, that being said though, I think given the installed base for BB devices, they have a hit on their hands.
It doesn't have to take over the market to be a hit. I predict BB users are going to love the shit out of this thing and buy 2 each.
You'd have to factor in the cost of a blackberry too. They seem to be really plugging BlackBery phone integration with this thing.
Which is a bold move, they've got the market share that this isn't a stupid decision. Between BB6, and this, I think BlackBerry's got some fat quarters ahead of itself. Even if this thing is stupid expensive, this isn't meant for the teenager who got a blackberry pearl so they could text on a QWERTY keyboard and maybe play Tetris.
Okay, so the camera's nice, but, not by much, and Nokia hasn't shipped HDR in a phone device. The N900 is more like an expensive ass MID.
Now obviously you're just a troll, but I hope some might find these links useful.
Nokia's still doomed. The N8 isn't as nice as the iPhone, or any of the high end Android devices. The US has caught up with Europe in terms of quality of phone and has now blown Nokia out of the water. Apple and Google will continue to eat Nokia's lunch. Nokia's not even popular in Finland anymore.
C'mon, they can get that data over push technology or query the server every 15-30 minutes. As it does with your mail.
Yes, yes they can, but out of the box, the iPhone is pushing -no- data to itself, out of the box it looks like the N8's pushing... quite a bit.
And yes, the 12 MPixel camera blows the competition away. Search for some reviews, both for static pictures and video.:)
I have, doesn't beat HDR that iPhone 4 does, and it's about as good as a phone's going to get.
Give Nokia some time means be realistic. We gave time 10 years from 1998 when Bill was saving it with some pocket cash app to 2008 when the iPhone revolutionized the mobile apps world.
The difference between Nokia and Apple is, when given time, Apple put out the iMac and the iPod family while working on the iPad. Giving Nokia more time means that we're going to get a bunch of suits who are sniffing each other's asses trying to figure out which focus group they can best leverage for greater market share(as opposed to developing better phones).
Just admit it. It's time to sell those Apple stocks...:D
How people operate? Hey, this has been Nokia's ability for the decade before Apple stole that crown. Give me a break and learn about the history of mobile phones, at least in Europe.
The reason why Nokia had a huge share of the pie was that they were one of the first big handset developers in the early part of the 90's, and they didn't bother putting out decent devices when they could've then, and they stagnated because they assumed that because their past models sold, their future models will sell equally as well. Now Apple's eating their lunch of the high profit margin smartphone market and Nokia's bleeding money trying to sell so uselessly-smart-they're-dumb phones to emerging markets.
I know you're a fanboy, I can read it in your sig. Perhaps you even have Apple stocks so you want to influence here, but let's cut the crap and speak facts.
ever wonder why anyone's a fanboy? I know Apple doesn't need me defending it, they're a big boy company, but, Nokia's business is being absolutely savaged by Apple, RIM and Android devices.
Apple disrupted the market in 2007. Nokia didn't have good alternatives to show. Now it has. And with the Qt, the days will be much more fan for Nokia customers now.
Nokia has nothing. The whole Symbian ecosystem is horrible. Their company lacks vision for their products. Nokia's got major problems. Qt isn't going to fix the enthusiasm gap among consumers. No one's going to care what the software platform is for the phone except a bunch of neckbeards obsessed with APIs and platform openness.
It's 2007. Hell, Steve didn't even care to give us info-bearing icons for the applications. Apart from the calendar icon, not even the temperature (weather) one carries any data WITHOUT opening an app first. This sucks. And it's getting old soon.
You think it's a good idea for a phone to be always connected to some server to be told how hot or cold it is outside? You don't see how this could say, impact the battery?
Give Nokia some time. Yes they lost precious time because they didn't invest early enough on an alternative OS, but now Symbian provides everything an iOS has. And on better hardware. Of course you can always be a fanboy and not see all that.
Uhm, better hardware?
Screen resolution is lower on the N8, battery is weaker, slower CPU, half the ram, nearly identical GPU(I'd be willing to wager lower GPU RAM too) the only thing the N8 trumps the iPhone on is the 12 Megapixel camera, which is pointless because the lens on cel phone cameras suck. All that 12 megapixel camera's doing is just providing the same grainy photographs but using more space. When you publish these images to the web, it gets downsampled anyway. It doesn't even do HDR!
Beyond that, devices are more than just their spec sheet, it's the whole user experience and ecosystem. Nokia's losing on this front, RIM and Microsoft are at least *trying*.
Give Nokia some time. Yes they lost precious time because they didn't invest early enough on an alternative OS, but now Symbian provides everything an iOS has. And on better hardware. Of course you can always be a fanboy and not see all that.
Giving Nokia more time is like asking for to give the captain of the Titanic more time to tape over the holes in the hull.
Some licensed controllers from MadCatz have been confirmed to have also got caught up too, I'm suspecting it's a bug in their handler to try to keep certain unlicensed devices out.
Having widgets that provide information (mails, notifications, weather, sports, etc) on your homepage is a... mess?!
Yes, yes it is.
When there's lots of it on a tiny, busy screen, it's a freaking mess.
What are you talking about, dude? The iOS homescreen is soooo 2007, only stupid icons that provide no info whatsoever. Hell, even the notification system in the iOS is a mess and even Apple fanboys admit it.
If it's 2007, then 2008 and 2009 must have been terrible. The default Android homescreen isn't this cluttered.
Maemo == MeeGo, for most purposes, don't worry. The Qt IS a driver for Symbian and MeeGo and everything because the real lack of Nokia today is in the apps department.
That's why they propose these $10 million app contests, what have were you thinking?
Maemo 6 you mean. Maemo's been promised for years from Nokia to show up on phone hardware, and it hasn't. Symbian^3's last 3rd party hardware developer, Sony Ericsson, jumped fucking ship for Android.
When Symbian/MeeGo finally get all the apps iPhones get, the superior Nokia hardware will do the rest.
All 250,000 of them? Android hasn't even hit those numbers. Nokia's had over a decade to hit those numbers, they haven't. in 2006, mobile analysts were questioning the future of mobile applications, funny enough. Now, they're driving sales. Nokia, again, missed the fucking boat.
Check this example. This is the current situation, damnit. iPhone gets all the apps so people believe it's "better". It's not. All phones can virtually do the same stuff these days, the thing is Nokia and others were lacking at their development tools. It was difficult and not worthy to create Symbian apps.
This is changing with the Qt. N8-class phones will do there rest.
Your example is antithetical.:)
I don't speak a word of German but the iPhone app has like, 5 feature points but every other phone has 2.
From my command of English, it looks like the iPhone app can do things like find ATMs and handle prepaid transactions. Android and Nokia phones should be able to do geolocation but why isn't the feature listed there?
The N8 is going to be Nokia's end. The N8 is hardly revolutionary, and hardly an example of trying to change the landscape of mobile devices.
I was hinting at the idea that their product design and their marketing both come from understanding how people operate. Not that it's all marketing. You can't polish a turd, which is the task that many tech marketing firms have to do. If it was just marketing, the iPhone would've been dead in 2008 and relegated to the bargin bin of useless phones like every other fad phone before it. The iPhone revolutionized the way everyone made smart phones. BlackBerry's torch? Windows Phone 7's UI? No one was talking multitouch before 2007 on the phones in the way they are now. Nokia admits to stealing the iPhone design back in 07. Seriously.
If there is something good in the world then we copy with pride
Gimme a fucking break. Nokia's in -trouble-. Serious trouble. None of their VPs, SVPs, their CxO's, etc. have no brand or product vision, or if they do, it is either lousy or they are too afraid to be bold enough to rock the boat.
You can't play games online. Netflix doesn't use DNAS, it just connects directly to Netflix's servers. I'd be willing to bet it's just a normal BluRay.
Cheap models are shitty profit margins. This used to work for Nokia but Nokia's profit margins now blow because no one's buying their high end gear.
They need profit. To generate profit they need to justify commanding a premium price. Nokia's been in the market for mobiles for what I'd gather is 2 decades. I'll buy that they aren't marketing as well as Apple is. Here's the difference, the reason why Apple's marketing is slick and as effective as it is has little to do with brand whoring, it has to do with how well they know users as people, and not merely people who just buy product. When I saw the iPod keynote streamed, it was like any other product demo I've seen at CES or COMDEX. The difference is, is that the products didn't suck.
Symbian^3's a fucking mess. Where the hell do you DO anything? It tells you a lot but, that home screen is incredibly stupid and busy. with Android it's a little confusing, and with iOS there's absolutely no ambiguity.
3 years ago, it was Maemo, now it's Symbian^3 and MeeGo.
The brand has had a 15 year lead time to build robust, usable and competent mobile phones. Nokia should've beaten Apple to the Multitouch punch. They didn't. they should've beaten them to the browser punch. They didn't. They should've beaten them on so many different fronts. I don't think they've got any visionaries at the top who can actually build product.
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that Apple (Lisa?) that you had to drop to reseat the chips because he hated the sound of fan noise.
It was the Apple III.
Like I said it seems they're plugging the blackberry phone integration pretty hard, that being said though, I think given the installed base for BB devices, they have a hit on their hands.
It doesn't have to take over the market to be a hit. I predict BB users are going to love the shit out of this thing and buy 2 each.
You're off by a little.
More like 8 percent.
When you consider that there are hundreds of OEMs, 8 percent of the market is a big hairy deal.
So among cross platform developers, just over half said one platform was better than another.
Talk about sampling bias. This just in, 70% of AppleInsider users think iOS is great, and 99% of lactose intolerant people think Ice Cream suck
big deal.
You'd have to factor in the cost of a blackberry too. They seem to be really plugging BlackBery phone integration with this thing.
Which is a bold move, they've got the market share that this isn't a stupid decision. Between BB6, and this, I think BlackBerry's got some fat quarters ahead of itself. Even if this thing is stupid expensive, this isn't meant for the teenager who got a blackberry pearl so they could text on a QWERTY keyboard and maybe play Tetris.
I thought this was obvious but, "Brand New OS*."
* Not our current offerings also has so many customizations it might as well be.
Wow. DooPHP's nice. I see controller class, a view class and a DB class.
Might have to use this...
wordpress isn't bad from a front end point of view, but the backend API is a fucking mess.
I never thought I'd ever pine for the Joomla! API.
except instead of doing that, it looked for textures that were generated anyway by games ads and swapped in other textures.
My friends looked at me like I was evil and crazy.
Also acceptable answer,
"Miserable little pile of secrets!"
A self important rich, privileged, elite jerkoff.
That's who John Galt is.
(imagine how boring Atlas Shrugged would be if they had Wikipedia?)
Holy crap.
The INQ1 is what the Kin should've been. Cheap, fast, lightweight with 3G connectivity and Facebook/Twitter integration?
Contradiction much?
You know it's possible to be wrong about something and also be wrong to bring it up in the first place.
Yeah about that lens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtIFBMbiaPo&feature=player_embedded
Yeah about that camera: http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/08/nokia-n8-camera-2260-days-in-the-making-part-12/ and http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/09/nokia-n8-camera-2260-days-in-the-making-part-22/
HDR? that you've never mentioned until Apple added it recently? http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/27/nokia-n900-fcam-hdr-and-low-light-examples/ (that's before the iphone added it, and will come to N8). Other nice things in the N8 (and its S^3 siblings) are automatic panorama: http://dailymobile.se/2010/09/21/nokia-n8-panorama-photo/
Okay, so the camera's nice, but, not by much, and Nokia hasn't shipped HDR in a phone device. The N900 is more like an expensive ass MID.
Now obviously you're just a troll, but I hope some might find these links useful.
Nokia's still doomed. The N8 isn't as nice as the iPhone, or any of the high end Android devices. The US has caught up with Europe in terms of quality of phone and has now blown Nokia out of the water. Apple and Google will continue to eat Nokia's lunch. Nokia's not even popular in Finland anymore.
C'mon, they can get that data over push technology or query the server every 15-30 minutes. As it does with your mail.
Yes, yes they can, but out of the box, the iPhone is pushing -no- data to itself, out of the box it looks like the N8's pushing... quite a bit.
And yes, the 12 MPixel camera blows the competition away. Search for some reviews, both for static pictures and video. :)
I have, doesn't beat HDR that iPhone 4 does, and it's about as good as a phone's going to get.
Give Nokia some time means be realistic. We gave time 10 years from 1998 when Bill was saving it with some pocket cash app to 2008 when the iPhone revolutionized the mobile apps world.
The difference between Nokia and Apple is, when given time, Apple put out the iMac and the iPod family while working on the iPad. Giving Nokia more time means that we're going to get a bunch of suits who are sniffing each other's asses trying to figure out which focus group they can best leverage for greater market share(as opposed to developing better phones).
Just admit it. It's time to sell those Apple stocks... :D
Not a fucking chance. it's not even fucking close.
How people operate? Hey, this has been Nokia's ability for the decade before Apple stole that crown. Give me a break and learn about the history of mobile phones, at least in Europe.
The reason why Nokia had a huge share of the pie was that they were one of the first big handset developers in the early part of the 90's, and they didn't bother putting out decent devices when they could've then, and they stagnated because they assumed that because their past models sold, their future models will sell equally as well. Now Apple's eating their lunch of the high profit margin smartphone market and Nokia's bleeding money trying to sell so uselessly-smart-they're-dumb phones to emerging markets.
I know you're a fanboy, I can read it in your sig. Perhaps you even have Apple stocks so you want to influence here, but let's cut the crap and speak facts.
ever wonder why anyone's a fanboy? I know Apple doesn't need me defending it, they're a big boy company, but, Nokia's business is being absolutely savaged by Apple, RIM and Android devices.
Apple disrupted the market in 2007. Nokia didn't have good alternatives to show. Now it has. And with the Qt, the days will be much more fan for Nokia customers now.
Nokia has nothing. The whole Symbian ecosystem is horrible. Their company lacks vision for their products. Nokia's got major problems. Qt isn't going to fix the enthusiasm gap among consumers. No one's going to care what the software platform is for the phone except a bunch of neckbeards obsessed with APIs and platform openness.
It's 2007. Hell, Steve didn't even care to give us info-bearing icons for the applications. Apart from the calendar icon, not even the temperature (weather) one carries any data WITHOUT opening an app first. This sucks. And it's getting old soon.
You think it's a good idea for a phone to be always connected to some server to be told how hot or cold it is outside? You don't see how this could say, impact the battery?
Give Nokia some time. Yes they lost precious time because they didn't invest early enough on an alternative OS, but now Symbian provides everything an iOS has. And on better hardware. Of course you can always be a fanboy and not see all that.
Uhm, better hardware?
Screen resolution is lower on the N8, battery is weaker, slower CPU, half the ram, nearly identical GPU(I'd be willing to wager lower GPU RAM too) the only thing the N8 trumps the iPhone on is the 12 Megapixel camera, which is pointless because the lens on cel phone cameras suck. All that 12 megapixel camera's doing is just providing the same grainy photographs but using more space. When you publish these images to the web, it gets downsampled anyway. It doesn't even do HDR!
Beyond that, devices are more than just their spec sheet, it's the whole user experience and ecosystem. Nokia's losing on this front, RIM and Microsoft are at least *trying*.
Give Nokia some time. Yes they lost precious time because they didn't invest early enough on an alternative OS, but now Symbian provides everything an iOS has. And on better hardware. Of course you can always be a fanboy and not see all that.
Giving Nokia more time is like asking for to give the captain of the Titanic more time to tape over the holes in the hull.
Some licensed controllers from MadCatz have been confirmed to have also got caught up too, I'm suspecting it's a bug in their handler to try to keep certain unlicensed devices out.
Having widgets that provide information (mails, notifications, weather, sports, etc) on your homepage is a... mess?!
Yes, yes it is.
When there's lots of it on a tiny, busy screen, it's a freaking mess.
What are you talking about, dude? The iOS homescreen is soooo 2007, only stupid icons that provide no info whatsoever. Hell, even the notification system in the iOS is a mess and even Apple fanboys admit it.
If it's 2007, then 2008 and 2009 must have been terrible. The default Android homescreen isn't this cluttered.
Maemo == MeeGo, for most purposes, don't worry. The Qt IS a driver for Symbian and MeeGo and everything because the real lack of Nokia today is in the apps department.
That's why they propose these $10 million app contests, what have were you thinking?
Maemo 6 you mean. Maemo's been promised for years from Nokia to show up on phone hardware, and it hasn't. Symbian^3's last 3rd party hardware developer, Sony Ericsson, jumped fucking ship for Android.
When Symbian/MeeGo finally get all the apps iPhones get, the superior Nokia hardware will do the rest.
All 250,000 of them? Android hasn't even hit those numbers. Nokia's had over a decade to hit those numbers, they haven't. in 2006, mobile analysts were questioning the future of mobile applications, funny enough. Now, they're driving sales. Nokia, again, missed the fucking boat.
Check this example. This is the current situation, damnit. iPhone gets all the apps so people believe it's "better". It's not. All phones can virtually do the same stuff these days, the thing is Nokia and others were lacking at their development tools. It was difficult and not worthy to create Symbian apps.
This is changing with the Qt. N8-class phones will do there rest.
Your example is antithetical. :)
I don't speak a word of German but the iPhone app has like, 5 feature points but every other phone has 2.
From my command of English, it looks like the iPhone app can do things like find ATMs and handle prepaid transactions. Android and Nokia phones should be able to do geolocation but why isn't the feature listed there?
The N8 is going to be Nokia's end. The N8 is hardly revolutionary, and hardly an example of trying to change the landscape of mobile devices.
I was hinting at the idea that their product design and their marketing both come from understanding how people operate. Not that it's all marketing. You can't polish a turd, which is the task that many tech marketing firms have to do. If it was just marketing, the iPhone would've been dead in 2008 and relegated to the bargin bin of useless phones like every other fad phone before it. The iPhone revolutionized the way everyone made smart phones. BlackBerry's torch? Windows Phone 7's UI? No one was talking multitouch before 2007 on the phones in the way they are now. Nokia admits to stealing the iPhone design back in 07. Seriously.
Gimme a fucking break. Nokia's in -trouble-. Serious trouble. None of their VPs, SVPs, their CxO's, etc. have no brand or product vision, or if they do, it is either lousy or they are too afraid to be bold enough to rock the boat.
You can't play games online. Netflix doesn't use DNAS, it just connects directly to Netflix's servers. I'd be willing to bet it's just a normal BluRay.
How will Sony stop people now from playing emulators on the PS3?"
Firmware updates.
3.50 still doesn't jailbreak. You can't go online with a 3.41 firmware either.
Cheap models are shitty profit margins. This used to work for Nokia but Nokia's profit margins now blow because no one's buying their high end gear.
They need profit. To generate profit they need to justify commanding a premium price. Nokia's been in the market for mobiles for what I'd gather is 2 decades. I'll buy that they aren't marketing as well as Apple is. Here's the difference, the reason why Apple's marketing is slick and as effective as it is has little to do with brand whoring, it has to do with how well they know users as people, and not merely people who just buy product. When I saw the iPod keynote streamed, it was like any other product demo I've seen at CES or COMDEX. The difference is, is that the products didn't suck.
Qt toolkit's not a driver for Symbian^3 sales.
Symbian^3's a fucking mess. Where the hell do you DO anything? It tells you a lot but, that home screen is incredibly stupid and busy. with Android it's a little confusing, and with iOS there's absolutely no ambiguity.
3 years ago, it was Maemo, now it's Symbian^3 and MeeGo.
How about no?
Right concept though.
How about this?
"Nokia throwing $10,000,000 at the problem?
The brand has had a 15 year lead time to build robust, usable and competent mobile phones. Nokia should've beaten Apple to the Multitouch punch. They didn't. they should've beaten them to the browser punch. They didn't. They should've beaten them on so many different fronts. I don't think they've got any visionaries at the top who can actually build product.