Microsoft Migrating Live Spaces Users To WordPress

Gotta say, they picked a good one by Pojut · 2010-09-27 08:26 · Score: 2, Insightful

Wordpress is quite flexible, and super easy to install onto your own hosting server.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 08:29 · Score: 0

Just gotta make sure you cache that madness.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 08:30 · Score: 0

People with real lifes?
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by vivin · 2010-09-27 08:40 · Score: 1

Agree. I had my own hacked-together custom blogging-platform that I wrote way back in 2002. I kept wanting to do the "grand rewrite" to add more features, but never got around to it. Finally I realized that I would just be reinventing the wheel and decided that the smart thing to do would be to go with Wordpress.
They have really good documentation for their database schema and so I didn't have a very hard time migrating my old data over. With wordpress in place it's become very easy for me to make blog posts. Not to mention that there are hundreds and hundreds of Wordpress plugins that offer added functionality.

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Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 08:47 · Score: 2, Insightful

Wordpress looks very clean on the outside, however the core code lacks quality. It's api is very easy and nice to work with, but beneath all these, global variables and functions speak for themselves, even if this is php we're talking about.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by mark72005 · 2010-09-27 08:48 · Score: 2, Funny

You mean lives?

Poor Windows Live Spaces... tossed away from MSFT like an old... chair.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by RyuuzakiTetsuya · 2010-09-27 09:01 · Score: 1

wordpress isn't bad from a front end point of view, but the backend API is a fucking mess.
I never thought I'd ever pine for the Joomla! API.

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Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by jmanooch · 2010-09-27 09:07 · Score: 0, Offtopic

Laughing.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by commodore64_love · 2010-09-27 09:10 · Score: 1

Question from non-blogger:
Why do you need special software like WordPress? Why can't you just use standard MS Word or WordPerfect, convert it to HTML, and publish it online?

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Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by commodore64_love · 2010-09-27 09:12 · Score: 1

Or the built-in editors that come with Mozilla/seaMonkey and Opera?

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Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 09:15 · Score: 0

Yes you can, but developers have an ego too big to simply do that, they'll cry about how the written code suck compared to what they think they can write.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by h4rr4r · 2010-09-27 09:16 · Score: 4, Insightful

Because that makes garbage HTML?
Really anyone who does that should be banned from the internets.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 09:19 · Score: 0

They don't need the special software, the software just makes the process less 'tarded, including things like automatically generating a front page with recent items, and other non-tarded stuff like indexes and feeds.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 09:24 · Score: 2, Insightful

Why would someone need office software, why can't they just use MS Notepad?
It turns out that customizing layouts (IE: you must be able to quickly make small or major changes or use templates made by others without having to modify the actual content in any way), adding plugins (galleries and whatnot), managing comments (how much links can there be? will they be visible before you've specifically checked that they're not spam? how will you ban certain commenters? Or give special rights to others?), observing visitor statistics, editing the entries, creating RSS feeds, etc... Is horribly difficult or impossible without a software customized for that. Yet, those are just a small portition of everything that is required from a modern blogging enviroment.
Now, you could just say "Why would you need a blogging platform? Why not some regular content management system (Joomla!, etc.)?" and you would be kinda correct. The distinction between a blogging platform and a content management system has been blurred. I've seen some rather large sites with high amount of visitors running on Wordpress. But generally, a CMS that has been specifically designed to be optimal for blogging is better for blogging (ease of use of the common tasks, etc.) than CMS that has been designed for large, corporate sites.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by rident · 2010-09-27 09:32 · Score: 2, Interesting

Yeah I couldn't handle either mess. I've built some of my web apps on DooPHP which I've found to be really well coded (building a blog would be a snap, in fact it's one of their demo apps) and based a couple communities on Simple Machines Forum, which is kinda messy on the backend, and another on Vanilla Forums which is actually quite nice underneath.

http://doophp.com/
http://vanillaforums.org/
http://simplemachines.org/
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by SydShamino · 2010-09-27 09:32 · Score: 1

I have a very simple blog on blogspot, but I use it instead of HTML because of the built in indexing, time stamps, keywords, search. A customized turn-key solution has more bells and whistles than a made-from-scratch option would, unless I wanted to re-implement some subset of those bells and whistles from scratch.

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Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by Hylandr · 2010-09-27 09:35 · Score: 1

Because to the rest of your peers on the internet, your blog would have the appearance of one going to the prom by herself in a home-sewn jumpsuit of the same flower print material.

It looks horrid, you can't hide it and it just generally should not be done. There are just some things that require certain finesse. Get a facebook page, and be happy.

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Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by Bobfrankly1 · 2010-09-27 09:36 · Score: 2, Insightful

Question from non-blogger:
Why do you need special software like WordPress? Why can't you just use standard MS Word or WordPerfect, convert it to HTML, and publish it online?
Maintaining a Wordpress style blog in Word or Wordperfect would be a nightmare. Sure, you could do a single page, but updating it would quickly become a nightmare. A purpose built tool like Wordpress also allows access from mobile phones. Also, do you want to allow people to post comments on your blog? Have fun getting that to work with Word. Take a peek, you'll realize that, like most things, there is more to it then there seems.
http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress
Disclaimer: I am not a Wordpress user, but I am related to one.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by Hooya · 2010-09-27 09:47 · Score: 1

Answer from a non-blogger - so take it with a grain of salt. Don't know if wordpress or the likes actually does this but i would think it does...
Here's how it would play out:
- write the first blog with word (or what have you). all good.
- write the second blog entry. then worry about a link back to the old entry. and update the old entry with a link to the the new entry.
- write the third entry. now it's a kind of a mess to try and update all three so.. hmm.. quick scripting to look at the file structure to list and index all the entries..
- wouldn't it be nice then, to be able to just write an entry and have everything link to everything else (index or a TOC)... script some more.. ... ...
- wordpress.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by theskipper · 2010-09-27 09:49 · Score: 1

Assuming this isn't a troll, the answer is pre-coded functionality. Go to wordpress.org and do some reading or install it and play with it yourself.
The bigger issue is that word processors, especially Microsoft Word, should never be used for generating anything on the web. There's tons of unadulterated crap spewed out by Word which makes a mess of everything.
Notepad or any other editor? No problem as long as it's pure 100% USDA choice text.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by BenoitRen · 2010-09-27 09:53 · Score: 1, Flamebait

WordPress also outputs horrible HTML, so that's not an argument.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by 93+Escort+Wagon · 2010-09-27 09:54 · Score: 1

Why do you need special software like WordPress? Why can't you just use standard MS Word or WordPerfect, convert it to HTML, and publish it online?
Please, please, don't do this. I've had to waste numerous hours fixing web pages that people created using Word. Half the time they don't even display correctly in Internet Explorer! The code ends up being such a mess that it's not really feasible to clean up with a text editor either, and a good bit of the time software like Dreamweaver will just choke on the page.
I fortunately now have the backing from my boss to just tell people (even faculty) "sorry it's not working, but the only solution is for you to start over" - it's just not worth wasting the time required to fix a Word-generated web page.
If you really want to use Microsoft tools, at least use Expression Web. It does generate pages that actually mostly look the way you want them to.

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Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by BenoitRen · 2010-09-27 09:58 · Score: 1

Yet appearance never bothered people who made sites on GeoCities, Angelfire, FreeWebs, etc. It's all about content.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by BenoitRen · 2010-09-27 10:00 · Score: 1

That's easy. Each weblog entry would be its own separate page that links back to the index. Then you only need to update the index every time you make an entry.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by FoolishOwl · 2010-09-27 10:13 · Score: 1

You do know those are gone now?
Appearances bothered someone.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by BenoitRen · 2010-09-27 10:19 · Score: 1

GeoCities is gone. The others are still online.
GeoCities is not gone because appearance bothered anyone, but because many of their users migrated to the latest trends of social networking and weblogging.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by FoolishOwl · 2010-09-27 10:27 · Score: 1

Because it's easier to build and maintain a blog with tools specialized for the purpose.
There's more to the project of developing and maintaining a blog than just typing in the blogger's posts. There's authenticating commenters, and accepting or rejecting their comments -- which is critical, as you've got to inhibit spam comments, and if your blog is at all controversial, you'll likely get trolls that you have to deal with. There are lots of conveniences that have been developed for blogs: creating and maintaining archives of past posts, creating searchable indexes, facilitating the posting of images and videos, and automating a unified look-and-feel for your site.
If you're skilled and experienced enough, you can create all this from scratch, with just a text editor and an ftp client. But, why re-invent the wheel? Hot-rodders start with stock cars, and Web developers can create add-on modules for WordPress or Drupal.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by RyuuzakiTetsuya · 2010-09-27 10:51 · Score: 1

Wow. DooPHP's nice. I see controller class, a view class and a DB class.
Might have to use this...

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Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by interval1066 · 2010-09-27 10:58 · Score: 1

Wordpress and a number of other blogging software out there confirm to a number of publishing, subscription, customization, and xml feed standards that make it easier to do all those things. There was one in particular I found was deeply entrenched in many blogware offerings but its exact name escapes me at the mo.

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Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by chadenright · 2010-09-27 11:05 · Score: 1

Surprised nobody's dusted off the old microsoft motto -- Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. They could hit all sorts of birds with this stone...Wordpress, GPL, PHP, just to name some off the top of my head.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by edumacator · 2010-09-27 11:09 · Score: 1

I'm a teacher and a part-time web designer. I have a custom journal site for my students. One student had an issue where they were getting a truncated error for the journal. It was an nText field. The student had only written about four pages of text. I was confused until I asked her if she cut and pasted from MS Word. She said yes, so I looked at the source. Literally twenty times the code than content. If all the blogs were written in MS Word, I'm afraid the internet would cease to function.

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Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by theskipper · 2010-09-27 11:25 · Score: 1

Yep, exactly. And imagine if Microsoft succeeded with the whole Frontpage-plus-proprietary-extensions crap. Scary thought.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by sodul · 2010-09-27 11:59 · Score: 1

Case in point, my wife has a Wordpress blog that is hosted in our 'garage' server. It is much, much easier for me to administer her little section of the server and I really do not have to explain 'files' to her. Add to that the many features that come for free and that are nicely integrated: user management and access control, page views counts, comments. Best of all you can update it from almost anywhere, even from your iphone while you wait at the dentist.
Me, I prefer to do it the old fashioned way, with actual files. For 99% of the population, fully online solutions such are wordpress are just great.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by kchrist · 2010-09-27 13:04 · Score: 4, Insightful

Wordpress actually outputs very little HTML and what it does is valid. The front-end markup is 99%+ determined by the theme (aka, templates, skins, whatever) - the theme uses the Wordpress API to pull data but but the display is entirely up to the developer. You're blaming the application for the bad markup written by a theme developer.
And, for what it's worth, the default theme that ships with Wordpress is valid XHTML.

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Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 13:46 · Score: 0

what a polite and considerate troll
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by jlarocco · 2010-09-27 14:13 · Score: 1

Because WordPress gives you a comment system, plugins, themes, indexing, tags, categories, an admin page, and a bunch of other stuff that you no longer have to take care of yourself.
It would be a nightmare trying to add any of that stuff to HTML generated by Word or WordPerfect.

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Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by Hylandr · 2010-09-27 15:03 · Score: 1

Sadly I believe there is a large population of 12~20 year olds that are keeping those sites, along with the blink tag and hoards of animated gifs alive.

The rest of those discerning adults that have a care about what a prospective employer might find as an example of workmanship, their appearance online is best *not* represented by a website published with a Microsoft product.

Taking this site as an example. Volunteer work or not, if I saw it, I wouldn't hire. http://www.usstexasbb35.com/introduction.htm

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Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by Compaqt · 2010-09-27 19:24 · Score: 1

If appearance doesn't matter, just use the default 2010 Wordpress theme.
I'll agree with you, though, those sites used to have all kinds of great (and sometimes nutty) information. It gave meaning to the word "web".
But, as as been described above, you get tired of uploading .html files or doing other stuff that WordPress does for:
-upload images and create thumbnails
-create an gallery of past used images which you can search for by keyword
-show related posts, automatically
-create the URL automatically from your post title
-put stuff into the HTML META fields (keywords, description)
-maintaining the homepage (how many links to keep there, pruning older links, link to the "next" page)
-adding content and having it appear on every single page without having to bother with search and replace (Windows programs or Unix tools)
In the end, if you cobble together something that does all that (and more), you have ... WordPress.
The fact is you don't actually need to use all the features if you don't want to. And if you want the "home-designed" look, you use a dark blue text on a light green background color scheme, if you like.

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Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by Compaqt · 2010-09-27 19:29 · Score: 1

Car analogy!
Seriously, though, even people who make their money with other technologies (Java, etc.) use WordPress to blog.
Just like Microsofties use iPods to listen to music.

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Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by ewanm89 · 2010-09-27 19:35 · Score: 1

As are quite a few wordpress themes if one wants to find them.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by RichiH · 2010-09-27 22:41 · Score: 1

And it even allows others to easily maintain your box for you. Sure, they might use it to send the occasional spam message, but that's a small price to pay.
Though to be fair, the rate with which they are finding remote exploits seems to be going down.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by helix2301 · 2010-09-28 00:02 · Score: 1

I agree Wordpress is pretty flexible I use it to run my blog the plug ins are endless and I am sure Microsoft could write there own custom plug ins if they wanted. I know a little PHP myself and I was able to build a few plug ins. This is a better idea for Microsoft why reinvent the wheel. Wordpress has a good reputation and its easy to install on any hosting platform.

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Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by BenoitRen · 2010-09-28 03:48 · Score: 1

And, for what it's worth, the default theme that ships with Wordpress is valid XHTML.

That's not worth much, actually. Valid mark-up is only the first (small) step to a good web page. The XHTML that the default theme outputs suffers from divitis, lacking any sort of semantics or proper tag use.
A lot of other Wordpress themes are the same. I don't think it's wrong to blame the application when it encourages this.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by BenoitRen · 2010-09-28 03:54 · Score: 1

put stuff into the HTML META fields (keywords, description)

Just for your (and anyone who's reading) information, those meta fields are deprecated in favor of semantic mark-up that gives much more meaning information about the page. Search engines mostly ignore them now.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-28 04:20 · Score: 0

Why do you need special software like WordPress? Why can't you just use standard MS Word or WordPerfect, convert it to HTML, and publish it online?
WTF? You're asking why people need "special" software, when they could instead use even more special and less available/convenient software?
That's like asking, when I go camping, if I need to bring a mallet to pound in tent stakes, when all I need to do is go bring the tools required to build a loudspeaker, which I then use to broadcast a request for some other camper to please lend me their shovel so I can use it to dig up rocks and then use the rocks to pound in my tent stakes.
The answer to your question is the same as the answer to my question: you don't use that weird tool for the wrong job, because it would be very silly. I know that sometimes it is fun to try to solve problems using wildly inappropriate tools (yay hackers!) but sometimes you just wanna get a job done and move on to the next job. Not everything needs to be a hack.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by Compaqt · 2010-09-28 06:06 · Score: 1

Very true, they are less used nowadays due to abuse by SEOs.
One place it's sometimes used, though, is if Google is showing your homepage in its results it'll often (sometimes?) show the META description between the site title and the site URL.

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Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-28 06:50 · Score: 0

Good thing he was talking about MS Word.
Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one by Xest · 2010-09-29 21:02 · Score: 1

Because using Word or Wordperfect generated HTML on a real internet facing website is a little bit like raping the internet. It's just wrong.

Can Wordpress.com handle the dozens of new users? by hawks5999 · 2010-09-27 08:31 · Score: 5, Funny

And the hundreds that read Live Spaces blogs?

It's not as bad as I thought by __aatirs3925 · 2010-09-27 08:32 · Score: 1, Insightful

For a minute I thought that meant all live users would have their accounts migrated over, but in reality it's just spaces users. I have yet to actually talk to someone who has a Live Space account and that's probably why Microsoft is doing the switch. That's probably good but do people still blog these days? Last I heard, millions of blogs are being abandoned because it's phasing out and takes too much time to maintain them.

Re:It's not as bad as I thought by mark72005 · 2010-09-27 08:46 · Score: 1

I think blogs had their day, but things are moving toward facebook and twitter, the microbloggng where you can reach users where they live, instead of requiring that they come to visit you.
Re:It's not as bad as I thought by icebraining · 2010-09-27 09:55 · Score: 1

That's called RSS.
But I don't think blogs will be dead soon; plenty of interesting people have more to write about than what fits in 140 characters. Many complement both by "advertising" their blog posts on Twitter.
Personally, I find Twitter to be annoying to keep track of. Too much clutter and random talk between users about unrelated matters between the interesting links.

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Re:It's not as bad as I thought by sirwallyc · 2010-09-27 10:41 · Score: 0

Blogs are not dead, thank God! I don't think I could handle having to wade through the noise that is Twitter/Facebook on a daily basis. That's what RSS feeds are for.
Twitter is blogging for people seriously affected by ADHD that can't focus long enough to write more than 140 characters...
Re:It's not as bad as I thought by mark72005 · 2010-09-28 03:06 · Score: 1

How many people use RSS? Only a subset of people who even read blogs.

How many people use Facebook and Twitter?

In other news by ArhcAngel · 2010-09-27 08:32 · Score: 2, Funny

Pigs were seen flying over central park.

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Re:In other news by Capt.DrumkenBum · 2010-09-27 09:10 · Score: 1

And many chairs were seen flying over Seattle.

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Re:In other news by AVryhof · 2010-09-27 09:47 · Score: 1

Pigs fly over my city all the time... mostly the southern part.

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Re:In other news by Local+ID10T · 2010-09-27 12:22 · Score: 1

Pigs were seen flying over central park.
Roger Waters is touring again...

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Windows Live Spaces? by MonTemplar · 2010-09-27 08:36 · Score: 2, Funny

I cannot even remember when this was first announced, let alone anything since. I guess Microsoft's ability to push their services ain't what it used to be...

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Re:Windows Live Spaces? by DarkKnightRadick · 2010-09-27 08:55 · Score: 0, Offtopic

I saw you on Facebook.

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Re:Windows Live Spaces? by MonTemplar · 2010-09-27 09:14 · Score: 1

Yeah, figured I would get more response over there... :D
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Re:Windows Live Spaces? by hendridm · 2010-09-27 10:15 · Score: 1

Microsoft kills products all the time (often times, I would argue, prematurely). This one doesn't surprise me either, since even Google decided there wasn't money in this (as made evident by how much Google Sites sucks).
Anyway, WordPress rocks!
Re:Windows Live Spaces? by MonTemplar · 2010-09-28 08:59 · Score: 1

That's odd, I recall that Google has a pretty successful blogging platform - namely, Blogger and BlogSpot.
-MT.

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BLOGGING? Who the fuck BLOGS any more? by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 08:36 · Score: 0

Is' that what we have FACEBOOK for???????

Re:BLOGGING? Who the fuck BLOGS any more? by Darkness404 · 2010-09-27 08:47 · Score: 1

Blog != Facebook != Twitter.

Facebook is for catching up on your personal life, things like, "Hey, want to meet for coffee" or "Here are some pictures I took at the zoo", a blog is for "Anyone want to read my 10 page rant on DRM?" or "Here are my political views", Twitter is like micro-stalking, things like "I'm buying butter and milk at the supermarket" and "I'd like Taco Bell for lunch".

Both Facebook and Blogs have their places, but they don't fulfill the same purpose.

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Re:BLOGGING? Who the fuck BLOGS any more? by Shikaku · 2010-09-27 08:55 · Score: 1

Wordpress can be also used to make websites such that you have an online page editor and optionally a blog, or a blog-like entity (for example, software releases).
Re:BLOGGING? Who the fuck BLOGS any more? by ivan_w · 2010-09-27 08:59 · Score: 1

Oh.. And Blog!=Facebook!=Twitter!= THE INTERNET (which is nothing but a loosely set of protocole routing rules by IANA - the self appointed Inernet Keeper, that delegated said routing to RIRs then to LIRs)..
(I don't know how this fares - probably going to get modded off-topic.. Oh well - had to get this off my chest).
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Re:BLOGGING? Who the fuck BLOGS any more? by hawks5999 · 2010-09-27 09:00 · Score: 1

Facebook Notes = Blog
Re:BLOGGING? Who the fuck BLOGS any more? by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 09:01 · Score: 0

Exactly. "blog" is such a stupid word. I just call it my website, and I put things there that Facebook isn't willing to host or isn't interested in.
Re:BLOGGING? Who the fuck BLOGS any more? by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 11:16 · Score: 0

No, if anything Facebook helped out the Blogging community by getting rid of all the brain dead morons who had nothing useful to say.
Since Facebook, I've noticed that most blogs now contain actually useful information, such as tech and IT blogs that contain actual, useful ANSWERS to the question you're searching for. All of the bloggers who blogged about nothing more than what their kids ate for lunch are now all on Facebook.
Good riddance.

Re:Microsoft Is by AnonymousClown · 2010-09-27 08:39 · Score: 5, Funny

DEAD.

Good riddance.

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Oh God! I hope not! We need Microsoft! They're the only ones that are checking the power of HP, Oracle, IBM, and most of all APPLE! MS is kind of like the United States in their power. Yeah, they fuck up quite a few things but without them, petty tyrants would have their way. Just think if Apple became the Super Power. For one, Flash would be killed .......

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Microsoft by DaMattster · 2010-09-27 08:44 · Score: 3, Interesting

On one hand, this is an interesting move. On the other, I am surprised that they would go with WordPress because it is a GPL product. The GPL is an anathema to Microsoft precisely because if they modify the source code, they must contribute changes back. Perhaps, it is possible to extend WordPress through closed source plugins; although even that is to navigate a minefield.

Re:Microsoft by PipsqueakOnAP133 · 2010-09-27 08:57 · Score: 4, Insightful

I'd say in this case, GPL shouldn't matter to them because they're interacting with a company that, according to wikipedia, controls over 50% of the project anyhow.
I'm not even sure Microsoft's actually doing any sort of source change or anything, which would essentially mean no license burden.
As much as people think there's some sort of conspiracy for/against GPL, I think many other things matter more. Like ease of use, ease of integration, and convenience. The biggest fear that any company has regarding GPL isn't that GPL becomes popular. It's that GPL will force them into releasing private code.
Re:Microsoft by Richard_at_work · 2010-09-27 09:02 · Score: 1

Good luck getting the source out of anyone for a web app...
Re:Microsoft by kikito · 2010-09-27 09:12 · Score: 1

On top of that, it's PHP-based, which is not exactly one of those shiny MS-controlled technologies.
Re:Microsoft by Abcd1234 · 2010-09-27 09:14 · Score: 2, Informative

The GPL is an anathema to Microsoft precisely because if they modify the source code, they must contribute changes back
A common misreading of the GPL, certainly, but a misreading nonetheless.
The stock GPL requires that you provide source code to anyone who possess binaries you've produced. Obviously this doesn't apply to web applications, which is why the AGPL exists.
Re:Microsoft by shutdown+-p+now · 2010-09-27 12:10 · Score: 1

Microsoft has already released some code under the GPL - remember those Linux drivers for Hyper-V?
There's also an MS license, Ms-RL, which is strong copyleft. I can't recall any products released under it so far (IronPython and IronRuby, which I know of, used to be under Ms-PL, which is BSD-like; now they are under Apache license), but I'm sure there are some.
Re:Microsoft by Osrin · 2010-09-27 15:11 · Score: 1

Microsoft has made contributions to the Linux Kernel over the last twelve months, I'm not sure that the GPL is much of a roadblock anymore.

IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpress by devent · 2010-09-27 08:50 · Score: 4, Insightful

Wow. The most profitable I.T. company, the I.T. company that suppose to be the number one software company in the world, which have monopoly on operation systems and in the office market, officially admitting that their IIS, MSSQL, .NET and ASP.NET crap can't compete with Wordpress, an Open Source CMS system, running on plain old PHP and a MySQL database.

Mustn't that be a blow to all the Microsoft's chills and so called I.T. consultants that are trying in masses to convince small business and enterprise users to buy in to the ASP.NET stuff, that is suppose to be so enterprise ready and suppose to scale so well on the Microsoft IIS server? How are they going to convince anyone if Microsoft itself says "... it can’t compete with the established blogging platforms ..." with their ASP.NET and IIS Server 7.0 (which on live.com is running)?

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Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 08:56 · Score: 0

Don't get too excited there, Skippy. This has more to do with entrenched popularity than technological capability.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by MozeeToby · 2010-09-27 08:57 · Score: 4, Insightful

What is good for an enterprise is not necessarily good for your average blog. Well, there you go, that was pretty easy to spin (if you insist on calling a rational statement 'spin' anyway).

contributions are not required to go back by ChipMonk · 2010-09-27 09:01 · Score: 2, Informative

The GPL only requires that you make available the original source, and your changes to it, to anyone who receives the executable form from you, and you must make them available without restriction as to how they are used. If you don't publish the executable, there is no requirement to publish source and changes.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by Foofoobar · 2010-09-27 09:03 · Score: 1

I'd call that spin... cause whatever the reason is that makes those services so bad that they can't manage a simple BLOG app, then enterprise apps are not any better off by nature.

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Seems to me like... by oldmac31310 · 2010-09-27 09:03 · Score: 0

Seems to me like the lion laying down with the lamb. Though I can imagine that once the live space people's blogs have been successfully migrated, Microsoft will have no more involvement. Support will be solely WordPress' responsibility. Unless I'm wrong of course!

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Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by Richard_at_work · 2010-09-27 09:06 · Score: 4, Informative

It simply boils down to "was LiveSpaces paying for itself?". And the answer would be no, so now MS gets to have a PR day while dumping a cost centre onto someone else. Double win for MS - doesn't say anything about IIS, Asp.net or MSSql one way or the other tho.

Facebook == Blog == Twitter by e065c8515d206cb0e190 · 2010-09-27 09:07 · Score: 1

A way for people to post their "opinions" and actually think it matters to the entire planet.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by MozeeToby · 2010-09-27 09:08 · Score: 1

An enterprise app would need more features than a blog, just because a free CMS can offer the basic features more simply (for the average blog user especially) than asp.net doesn't mean that the free CMS can offer advanced features as well as asp.net. Obligatory car analogy: If the only place you drive your 14 passenger van is a quarter mile to work and back (alone) then it makes sense to replace it with a Smartcar, that doesn't mean that a Smartcar is capable of doing everything a 14 passenger van is capable of doing or that a Smartcar is the best choice for everyone.

What a shame by microbee · 2010-09-27 09:09 · Score: 1

A lot of users still use msn, and as a result uses spaces for casual blogging. If Microsoft is even anything close to caring, it would have done much better for those users. Instead now they are selling these users over to another company.

Re:What a shame by kikito · 2010-09-27 09:14 · Score: 1

My bet is that probably Wordpress is getting paid for doing this.

Observation: by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 09:09 · Score: 0

Blog != Facebook != Twitter. ...

Both Facebook and Blogs have their places, but they don't fulfill the same purpose.

I note that you omit Twitter in your list of things that have their places.

Don't you love binary? by Infonaut · 2010-09-27 09:09 · Score: 1

I'm assuming you were, like, using, like, sarcasm. In case you weren't:

2005: Year of the Blogger! Everyone is blogging!

2010: Facebook has taken over. Nobody is blogging!

Perhaps, just perhaps, fewer people are blogging than before, but the number of bloggers is still substantial.

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Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by Klync · 2010-09-27 09:10 · Score: 2, Funny

Ironically, I came to read the comments here while waiting for my webmail to load. By the time I finished reading these comments, the spinner on my other tab had stopped. The result?

Request Timed Out. ...
Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:2.0.50727.3607; ASP.NET Version:2.0.50727.3614

The parent is right. I try not to get involved in platform wars, but the same hardware running windows + mssql + iis + asp.net simply cannot keep up with any *nix + mysql + apache + php stack. Not to mention the security vulnerabilities. The only reason msft products are as popular as they are is because msft spent decades perfecting a business model that involved cultivating relationships with consultants and resellers who would do *whatever it takes* to convince their customer to buy a msft solution. Second biggest reason for their success was enterprise purchasing policies whereby the company would rather buy the crap they knew than take a risk on an unknown. Third was msft purchasing products that actually were well-made (and eventually turning them into pulp - even Excel is starting to go that way).

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Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 09:10 · Score: 1, Insightful

You're all making the assumption that this decision is a technical one. You could easily argue that if they were dropping their internal solution and would use a different solution but continued to host it themselves, but that is not the case. In either situation the application is so abstracted from the underlying platform that it is frankly of little relevance. This was a business decision; Microsoft is looking to stop throwing money at blogging.

Darn! I Mis-Read TFA by LifesABeach · 2010-09-27 09:11 · Score: 1

I thought the article was about Microsoft moving to Wordpress. From my point of view, using Linux,Apache,PHP,mySQL, and Wordpress would do the Windowed Ones some good.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by Foofoobar · 2010-09-27 09:13 · Score: 0, Troll

yes and I'm sure thats the reason why Microsoft couldn't compete... because millions of customers found that Microsoft's feature rich application was just too feature rich for their needs and had nothing to do with scalability or anything else. Keep that spin coming.

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Note that it's GPLv2... by Qubit · 2010-09-27 09:13 · Score: 2, Informative

Microsoft may not like GPLv2, but at least it's not GPLv3. There's only basic patent language in v2, and v3 really turbo-charges the language, providing much better protection from software patent lawsuits.

But in some ways it's a moot point, as Microsoft won't be hosting or distributing any of this software (AFAIK), they're just pointing some of their customers over there for service.

And hey, if it throws some extra money towards Automattic, then that's cool, too.

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mod up by shashark · 2010-09-27 09:13 · Score: 1

Why is this marked troll? Its a completely valid point this post makes.

Re:mod up by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 11:05 · Score: 1, Informative

No, it's not. IIS and ASP.Net aren't competing with WordPress. If Microsoft was moving Live Spaces from IIS/ASP.Net to Linux/PHP, then it would have a point.
Microsoft is shutting down Live Spaces because it wasn't profitable/strategic to them, not because the platform was unable to keep up.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by grcumb · 2010-09-27 09:15 · Score: 4, Informative

What is good for an enterprise is not necessarily good for your average blog. Well, there you go, that was pretty easy to spin (if you insist on calling a rational statement 'spin' anyway).

It's spin because it's plausible, but factually incorrect. From the Wordpress.com website:

There are over 27 million WordPress publishers as of September 2010: 13.9 million blogs hosted on WordPress.com plus 13.8 million active installations of the WordPress.org software....

According to Quantcast, over 260 million people worldwide visit one or more WordPress.com blogs every month, and they view over 2.1 billion pages on those blogs each month....

(Bolded for your convenience.)

A chart showing Wordpress performance vis a vis Blogger, Movable Type and Typepad.

Smells like enterprise to me.

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Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 09:21 · Score: 0

Bro -- nothin's better than a fresh pile of STANK! You da nigga boss!

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by KarmaMB84 · 2010-09-27 09:21 · Score: 1

It wasn't popular enough to test scalability so we can't say a thing about whether scalability is the reason they killed it or not.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by Klync · 2010-09-27 09:23 · Score: 1

Hey Mods! I'm getting modded funny here, but I'm not kidding - I still can't check my email and this is frustrating, not funny at all. I didn't feel like gogling this for my original post, but to make this one worthwhile, I present Exhibit A: http://www.visualcomplexity.com/vc/project.cfm?id=392

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Bullet Meets Foot by mpapet · 2010-09-27 09:27 · Score: 1

I am stunned they didn't move everyone onto a dotnetnuke service regardless of the fact it's not great. If this is a "dead weight" scenario, then I have a feeling Microsoft's on the long road to shedding customers. The R&D value of running a blogging platform as an established social media is dead too?

When did Microsoft stop leveraging assets to achieve strategic successes that harmonize the enterprise?

Seriously though, that's pretty damning they can't pick a Free project out of obscurity and come up with a vaguely similar dotnet solution.

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Re:Bullet Meets Foot by gtall · 2010-09-27 09:39 · Score: 1

"When did Microsoft stop leveraging assets to achieve strategic successes that harmonize the enterprise?"
Hehehehe...made my whole day. Although seeing someone parrot the MS Marketing Dept so well is a bit disturbing.
Re:Bullet Meets Foot by Capt.DrumkenBum · 2010-09-27 10:21 · Score: 3, Funny

When did Microsoft stop leveraging assets to achieve strategic successes that harmonize the enterprise?
I needed a shower after reading that. I can't imagine how you will ever feel clean again.

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WordPress is Over the GPL Hump by mpapet · 2010-09-27 09:31 · Score: 1

At some point in a successful project, it seems as though the people using the project cross a line such that they are generally discouraged by the scale/complexity of the code to do anything other than use it as-is.

I'd say WordPress crossed that line a long time ago.

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Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by Foofoobar · 2010-09-27 09:34 · Score: 0, Troll

Not popular enough to test scalability? Are you serious? They are migrating a couple million. You can test scalability with that easily. Wow, the spin keeps coming. Does Microsoft pay you by the excuse?

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IIS and ASP aren't in competition with WordPress by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 09:46 · Score: 0

WP is a service. IIS and ASP.Net are products.

Microsoft is smart enough to know the difference. (For once!)

I'll submit an anecdote by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 09:48 · Score: 2, Interesting

It was less than two years ago when I registered to wordpress.com. But when I tried to log on, I couldn't. It took a while for me to realize the reason: My password had < character that had been changed to the HTML entity. (IE: If my password would be "I<3Slashdot" it would have been changed to "I<Slashdot") At this point WP wasn't taking its first steps or anything! So, if they still had problems with something as basic as what fields to escape (and how) when people register a new account, I'm sure that the code is rather horrible.

Oh great by Jethro · 2010-09-27 09:49 · Score: 1

You know they're just going to go and buy Wordpress now and integrate it into Office, don't you.

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Didn't they get the memo?!? by BRSloth · 2010-09-27 09:52 · Score: 3, Interesting

And ten days ago... http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/09/16/2052244/Microsofts-Chief-Exec-For-Latin-America-Says-Open-Means-Incompetent

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by FreelanceWizard · 2010-09-27 09:53 · Score: 5, Insightful

You're claiming that the success or failure of an application is a direct condemnation of the infrastructure stack that runs it? On that basis, I could cite any LAMP application that was ditched for a Microsoft stack application and say that Apache, PHP, and MySQL can't compete with (insert name of Microsoft stack application here) running on plain old .NET and an MSSQL database.

Don't confuse the technology platform with the application. One can build garbage -- or, in this case, an unpopular site -- on any stack. In this case, as others have aptly pointed out, Microsoft dropped Live Spaces not because it didn't work or scale, but rather because it wasn't sufficiently profitable to justify the continued expense for its maintenance.

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Live what? by miffo.swe · 2010-09-27 10:15 · Score: 1

I must be really behind but i can honestly not recall Live Spaces. I have visited exactly 1 blog there and after reading three lines i thought it was some kind of marketing site for Microsoft like gethtefacts or something. Guess the astroturfers be moving to Wordpress soon =)

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congrats to WP by greymond · 2010-09-27 10:27 · Score: 1

I really like WP, IMO it's actually the best CMS out there in the sense of easy to use and doesn't require you to have a hands on php developer in house or on contract to change up the layout or add in new features, unlike the more robust CMS Drupal.

Of course I say this not having played with Joomla or Modx and of course it's slightly off topic since this is about the blogging features and not the CMS features...

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Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by KarmaMB84 · 2010-09-27 10:39 · Score: 2, Insightful

Hotmail has over 360 million users which is quite a bit larger than the 30 million users they claim Spaces had. I don't see how scalability could've been an issue here. Now the fact that Spaces pretty much sucked to the point they're willing to take a hit on their Windows Live brand by jettisoning it is another issue entirely.

This Just In... by radicalpi · 2010-09-27 10:41 · Score: 1

Microsoft announced today that it will be retiring it's Windows trademark as well as the operating system. This moves comes after MS CEOs realized that they couldn't compete with the momentum behind popular Linux distributions. Over the next few weeks MS will be migrating all of its existing users over to popular Linux distribution Fedora. When contacted about the decision, they had this to say: "We just couldn't compete with free. We tried offering an inferior paid experience, but our customers wouldn't accept that." Microsoft has gone on record saying that it will fallback to it's hugely successful business of mouse and keyboard manufacturing.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 10:44 · Score: 0

Or maybe Microsoft decided the resources spent building and maintaining a blogging platform would be better spent elsewhere. Lest we forget, they *did* have a viable blogging platform, one that I've even used for a while, just not a popular one.

Your interpretation (and geek.com's interpetation) is far from the only one that can be inferred from this.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by Anpheus · 2010-09-27 10:46 · Score: 2, Insightful

Microsoft isn't an I.T. company, they're a software company. They've branched into different spaces sometimes, and they dogfood their own products for other companies, but Microsoft also has other companies, "I.T. companies" manage their I.T. There was a recent article about Microsoft switching vendors for I.T. support and help-desk personnel.

Maybe they just didn't want to support millions (ah, who are we kidding, hundreds) of bloggers anymore and decided Wordpress was a good place to shunt them off to. Everyone wins, really.

Re:Can Wordpress.com handle the dozens of new user by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 11:08 · Score: 0

Not hundreds. 30 million new users in one shot.

Kinda like Slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 11:19 · Score: 0

Check and mate.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 11:28 · Score: 0

For a more precise chart: http://siteanalytics.compete.com/blogspot.com+wordpress.com+typepad.com+spaces.live.com/
and http://www.google.com/trends?q=wordpress,+blogspot,+movable+type,+typepad&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by IICV · 2010-09-27 11:49 · Score: 1

Smells like enterprise to me.

*sniff* I love the smell of enterprise in the morning. Smells like... napalm.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by shutdown+-p+now · 2010-09-27 12:13 · Score: 1

It's not a matter of competing on technical merit - blogging software doesn't put any significant burdens on the technology stack. It's purely a matter of positioning and customer base. Which, apparently, didn't go so well for Live Spaces, given how few people are even aware of its existence.

Anonymouse Cow by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-27 12:31 · Score: 0

It's an Apple vs. Google world now, as far as 99% of users are concerned. Microsoft from this point on will toil away in quiet yet semi-profitable obscurity.

Let's look at their initiatives the last few years:

*MP3 players - The Zune failed

*Smart phones - Both smart phone initiatives failed

*Touch screen interface - They almost released a "bigass table"

*Windows 7 - Fixes the problems with Vista but doesn't address the myriad problems Windows has had under the hood since 1995. BSOD still happening for many users, running stock configurations.

*XBox 360 - big success from the outset, quite possibly the only home run for Microsoft - but can they keep the momentum going when the next generation of consoles comes out?

*.NET/ASP.net/C# - With lots of open standards complient, rapid development alternatives with lower cost and better cross-platform support available, will these technologies stay relevant, or will they soon be in the junk bin?

*Windows Server / IIS / MS SQL - does anyone take these seriously anymore? Again, open source solutions are better, more efficient, free, and easy to implement.

*Office - continues to be the industry standard, but for how long, when alternatives from Apple and the open source community equal or rival it in every conceivable way.

Seriously, what does Microsoft do (besides XBox and Office) that is successful anymore?

Re:Anonymouse Cow by QuantumBeep · 2010-09-27 13:47 · Score: 1

*.NET/ASP.net/C# - With lots of open standards complient, rapid development alternatives with lower cost and better cross-platform support available, will these technologies stay relevant, or will they soon be in the junk bin?
*Windows Server / IIS / MS SQL - does anyone take these seriously anymore? Again, open source solutions are better, more efficient, free, and easy to implement.
*Office - continues to be the industry standard, but for how long, when alternatives from Apple and the open source community equal or rival it in every conceivable way.
All three of those are smashing successes. What the hell are you on about?
Re:Anonymouse Cow by neminem · 2010-09-28 09:52 · Score: 1

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree. Their end-user hardware type offerings have all been huge flops, but out in the government/business/etc. world, their boring technology stuff not only still wins, but wins for good reason. OpenOffice is crap. Oracle is godawful; MySql is entirely decent but I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call it "better". C# is freaking amazing (as long as you don't mind being tied to Windows - which, surprisingly, the majority of people don't.)

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by Foofoobar · 2010-09-27 12:49 · Score: 0, Troll

thats not the point. You stated that Microsoft didn't have enough users to test scalability when they have 30 million. You can EASILY do scalability tests with those numbers. So they must have failed their own tests if you are saying that they had superior functionality. Care to spin again?

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Regular microsoft crap. by unity100 · 2010-09-27 14:34 · Score: 1

Microsoft did this before with bCentral ecommerce platform. they suddenly come up and said that you had 1 month to migrate your store to someplace else, and that they would be closing your bCentral hosted store on you in a month. imagine the plight of countless small shop owners who were in shock. hobby kind of shop owners who maintained a shop for kicks or small money probably wasnt as high as other services, because bcentral was older, and because it was 'microsoft', a lot of serious business owners trusted microsoft with their online store. imagine. you are in tool business, you have 2000+ products online at all times, thousands of orders going way back, and you learn that the proprietary platform you are using is closing down on your face, because some execs decided that it wasnt worth it. so much for reliability of a 'big company'.

microsoft made a deal with a medium scale hosting place to have the users migrated into their platform if they wished, or so they say. however, that company didnt know much about the platform they were migrating users to (oscommerce), and had screwed up a noticeable number of migrations i reckon.

i ended up saving a client and migrating his entire bcentral store into oscommerce which was set up on his (brand new) own server, and got the sizeable store online and running in a straight 11 hour run. he was lucky, because he found me through chance, as he says. he said there were a lot of his colleagues in deep shit. i know that some of them didnt make transition on time or properly, having problems even after a year, after having long downtime.

that incident, this one now, numerous other incidents regarding frameworks, business partnerships, platforms etc, i cant believe how there are people who STILL trust microsoft with anything.

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Microsoft embraces incompetence? by kimvette · 2010-09-27 17:25 · Score: 1

http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/09/16/2052244

I guess Microsoft is saying that their own blog can't quite measure up to Wordpress, which is obviously the product of incompetence since it's open source. What does that say about Microsoft's work? ;)

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Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by devent · 2010-09-27 19:01 · Score: 2, Interesting

But it's not any random software company. It's Microsoft, which try to push their software stack to small to big enterprises. Their software stack is IIS, .NET, ASP.NET and MSSQL. And now they are admintting that their software stack can be replaced by the plain old Php with plain old MySQL server.

Space was not only a blogging platform, it was an advertisement for their software. If that was any random software company with ditches their own software and go with an open source solution I would not write that down.

Microsoft own words are "... it can’t compete with the established blogging platforms ..." and not "it's not profitable and we are need to think of the stakeholders". As I said, MS try to push their software stack really hard against the establish Linux,Apache,Php,MySQL and here they are admitting that "... it can’t compete with the established blogging platforms ...". How many Man-Hours and money have they invested in Spaces?

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Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by Richard_at_work · 2010-09-27 20:24 · Score: 1

here they are admitting that "... it can’t compete with the established blogging platforms ...". How many Man-Hours and money have they invested in Spaces?

Out of all of your posts, I think that *this* sentence is the nearest to the mark, but not for the reason you think it is - the key word you have included is 'established', which means a lot in this discussion. Its always difficult to compete against established competition, especially when you are not providing anything really different to their offering.

Wordpress is a big fish in this pond, they have an established infrastructure and revenue model - Live Spaces was not paying for itself, the revenue model had failed, so MS had three choices: do nothing and continue to eat costs, reduce costs or eliminate the service. Luckily they decided to combine choices two and three and shift the costs to another service.

For what its worth, I worked with PHP in a professional capacity from 2001 until early 2009, on large sites delivering significant functionality. I utilised Apache 1 and 2, Linux, OpenBSD and MySQL heavily to do this.

Early in 2009 I had a chance to take a look at the .Net platform, specifically ASP.Net and SharePoint - while I rapidly came to hate SharePoint for development (and consider it top heavy for far too much of the market its aimed at), I fell in love with ASP.Net.

Let me say that again - under my own free will, with no pushing from any direction, I came to prefer ASP.Net, MSSQL and IIS over PHP, MySQL and Apache. I find it to be an easier stack to work with, I find that it provides a better integrated solution, I find it faster to deliver with, and generally I find it a vast improvement over PHP and MySQL.

No doubt you will spin that as the word of a shill or whatever, but the fact remains that developers can and will use the MS stack out of choice and preference while still knowing all about PHP.

How many Man-Hours and money have they invested in Spaces?

The fallacy of the sunk cost - it doesn't matter how much time or money they had invested in it, if there is no foreseeable opportunity for recouping those costs then a decision has to be made on the basis of future costs, not past costs. Sunk costs are equivalent to the gamblers fallacy of 'just one more game, this will be the one' - if you always base your forward planning on recouping past costs, you will always lose money.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by ardeez · 2010-09-27 22:59 · Score: 0

You're claiming that the success or failure of an application is a direct condemnation of the infrastructure stack that runs it? On that basis, I could cite any LAMP application that was ditched for a Microsoft stack application and say that Apache, PHP, and MySQL can't compete with (insert name of Microsoft stack application here) running on plain old .NET and an MSSQL database.

Not that MS would ever play it the other way around, citing every move away from Linux as a 'win' for MS technology
urging us to 'get the facts' ...

They seem a lot quieter about the 'facts' recently. Haven't heard much about their great success at e.g. the LSE for a while ....

Facts? We got 'em thx

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Does not compute by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-28 02:26 · Score: 0

standard MS Word or WordPerfect

Isn't most people's objections to MS Word and WordPerfect, which make it unsuitable for interchange, that is isn't a standard? There are hardly any implementations of the MS Word format (I can only think of two, and neither of them always successfully loads the file).

If these formats were standards, there would be reasonably good convert-to-HTML programs out there. But since hardly anyone can read these files, there's hardly any software available to work with them.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by Foofoobar · 2010-09-28 03:31 · Score: 1

LOL. Wow. Spending your points to all counter points as 'troll' sort of verifys you as a spin doctor trying to MUTE to truth of the matter. I'm just wondering which Microsoft campus you are on at this point.

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Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by Anonymous Coward · 2010-09-28 03:37 · Score: 0

... - doesn't say anything about IIS, Asp.net or MSSql one way or the other tho.

Sure it does. Until now, it ran on those "old" components. From now on, it runs on something else, something "new". The implication being that the "something else", also being the "new", ought to be "better" than the previous stuff. Whether that is actually the case is irrelevant, because that is indeed what it says, from the fact of it, to those who really have no idea about the actual stuff.

Microsoft have themselves used the above reasoning on several occasions and for them it apparently is a perfectly functional way of thinking.

So yeah, you're wrong.

(Not that I disagree with you, factually. I don't. At all.)

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr by micheas · 2010-09-30 15:08 · Score: 1

Ironically, I came to read the comments here while waiting for my webmail to load. By the time I finished reading these comments, the spinner on my other tab had stopped. The result?

Request Timed Out. ...
Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:2.0.50727.3607; ASP.NET Version:2.0.50727.3614

The parent is right. I try not to get involved in platform wars, but the same hardware running windows + mssql + iis + asp.net simply cannot keep up with any *nix + mysql + apache + php stack. ...

Hmm, too bad that Wordpress doesn't run apache, they run nginx.

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