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RIM Announces BlackBerry PlayBook Tablet

siliconbits writes "Today, at the BlackBerry Developers Conference in San Francisco, company President and co-CEO Mike Lazaridis kicked off the event with the widely-anticipated news that RIM is developing a tablet PC of its own. Called the BlackBerry Playbook, the device is a 'Flash-loving,' 'device-paring,' 'enterprise ready' tablet, says RIM, with a 7-inch screen. It is 9.7 millimeters thick and features a 1024x600 widescreen display. It also supports 1080p through HDMI and has a USB port." The tablet will run on a dual-core, 1GHz CPU and have 1GB RAM. Its browser will be WebKit-based, and the device will be running a brand new operating system developed by QNX software. The tablet won't have 3G access of its own when it launches, but will be able to tether to existing BlackBerry devices via Bluetooth.

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  1. and by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and we have a WINNER!

  2. Must really hurt to be MS these days by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Looks like all the handhelds are getting grown up OSes. I bet this really pisses off ballmer.

    1. Re:Must really hurt to be MS these days by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Yes, POSIX based OS and Webkit based browser, just like iPad and Android... Only thing really different is the kernel.

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    2. Re:Must really hurt to be MS these days by the+linux+geek · · Score: 1

      In this case, the kernel is architecturally years more advanced than Mach or Linux.

    3. Re:Must really hurt to be MS these days by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's true. For example, I can look at the linux source code today. I can look at the darwin source code today. But if I want to look at the QNX source code, I need to develop a time machine so I can go back in time, back before RIM cut off access to it. (Might as well go back before QNX required you to submit 10 pages of paperwork and a DNA sample as well).

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    4. Re:Must really hurt to be MS these days by NatasRevol · · Score: 3, Informative

      I bet MS has a better SDK on release than RIMM though.

      http://na.blackberry.com/eng/developers/tablet.jsp

      App Dev *only* via HTML5/CSS or Flash.

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    5. Re:Must really hurt to be MS these days by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Only if drives the stock price up. Microsoft is going to buy RIM.

    6. Re:Must really hurt to be MS these days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Probably, but I think this is really strategic move on RIM's part, at least for the 1st iteration of the tablet. (remember, the original iPhone was webapps only)

      To write a cross-platform Mobile app, developers already have to learn iOS, Android etc. .... what would they think if RIM had introduced a new Blackberry SDK (that's incompatible with the J2ME-based SDK for BB phones)?

      The fact is, these SDKs take time to develop and to get right. It's clever for RIM to leverage the widespread expertise in Flash. You get an immediate captive audience of Flash developers. Given RIM's lackluster marketing department and the declining of interest in the BB platform, I don't think RIM could have pulled off introducing a new proprietary SDK for its tablet.

      The Flash platform is admittedly a pain sometimes, but in terms of capabilities, you can write pretty complicated apps for it (with the right APIs exposed). Flash is so much more than those irritating little ad-thingies that people block on their browsers.

      I seriously think The Playbook is a product to watch. Its real performance remains to be seen, but as far as design decisions go, I'm thinking it's headed in the right direction. (unlike the pedestrian, status quo decisions behind the Torch)

  3. Foleo? by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A 'companion' device to a phone? How well did that work out for Palm again, I forget..

    Not to mention an 'brand new' OS?

    My prediction: RUNAWAY SUCCESS!!!!!

    1. Re:Foleo? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Have you seen their current OS? An upgrade is badly needed and QNX is pretty good.

    2. Re:Foleo? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

      Idunno, tethering to a cell phone might save you $40/mo on a second data plan.

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    3. Re:Foleo? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      As long as it's open OS doesn't matter.

      Also RIM _OWN_ QNX now-adays so I assume they will use it for their phones aswell.

      Does anyone know if WeTab actually delivered with MeeGo? I can't find any information. It's supposed to run Android apps to.

      Sadly there's still lots of ways to fuck up an open software device by locking down the hardware/OS installation and software management :(

      Say if Nokia skipped their stupid attempts to become a service supplier (I do understand why they want to, but how well has it worked?) as focused on just bringing out the best phone for any price and for instance had an application store with no fees at all for the developer how long would it take until it was jam-packed with apps? Sure that lower the chance that it gets somewhat moderated but most Linux dists seems do well against viruses and whatever without no expensive fees. The software distribution could even be handled by some other group of people outside of the company.

      Time will tell what happens. I guess that atleast it's possible to make something like Apples store for applications without screwing up to, but will it get the developers?

      Instead of giving away 10 million $ in a contest what about let everyone submit applications for free?

    4. Re:Foleo? by NatasRevol · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You mean while they charge you $39.99 for tethering?

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    5. Re:Foleo? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Also RIM _OWN_ QNX now-adays so I assume they will use it for their phones aswell.

      You mean right after they came out with a new phone OS, they'll get rid of it?

      That'll play well with developers.

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    6. Re:Foleo? by No.+24601 · · Score: 1

      I think the GP has a point. QNX was only bought off in April, so it didn't really leave a lot of time for RIM to "make the switch" for their smartphones. But, I'm pretty sure that they plan to bring QNX goods to their smartphones, which need a big boost IMHO.

      On a side note, I think RIM has more to worry from Google than Apple (though I'm sure someone here has already said that, right?). Android is going to eat their lunch in the Enterprise... all it takes is one good, focused competitor (Motorola???) to properly service the Enterprise with Android apps. Apple is going to continue to clean everyone out for the indefinite future in the very profitable high-end consumer segment.

      Oh, and sorry to bring it up again for all you RIM lovers, but the RIM CEOs were pretty damned stupid to not have shit their pants when the iPhone came out in summer 2007. It was the beginning of the end of the safe lead they had, and hate to say, squandered by not taking the threat seriously way back then.

    7. Re:Foleo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My carrier claims to charge extra for tethering, but they don't... since they have no idea when I'm tethering and when I'm not. It's all just data, isn't it?

    8. Re:Foleo? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      You mean right after they came out with a new phone OS, they'll get rid of it?

      That'll play well with developers.

      "Apparently, the idea is to first launch BlackBerry OS 7, which will be sort-of a transitional release to prepare developers for the launch of the eventual QNX-based operating system."

      So, time to STFU now? Plz k thnx.

      (Also why the fuck would they had bought QNX if they didn't intend to use it.)

    9. Re:Foleo? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Nice that the time stamps on those articles are AFTER MY FUCKING POST.

      So, no it wasn't clear at all which way RIM was going, at the time I posted.

      So why don't you STFU. Dickwad.

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    10. Re:Foleo? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Nice that the time stamps on those articles are AFTER MY FUCKING POST.

      I'm well aware of that, but it doesn't change anything.

      I said it was likely they would use the OS for their phones. Your post if nothing else was sceptical on that point. RIM however wasn't, so they informed everyone they would.

  4. hmm by nomadic · · Score: 1, Troll

    Why is it so hard for someone to just finally release an ipad competitor that at least tries to match the specs? 7 inches is barely above smartphone level.

    1. Re:hmm by the+linux+geek · · Score: 4, Informative

      Other than the 7" screen, this thing not only meets but surpasses the iPad's specs.

      Dual-core Cortex A9 processor: The A9, at the same clock speed, is 20-30% faster than the A8. This has two of them. We're looking at almost triple the iPad's processor power.

      1GB of RAM vs 256MB

      QNX-based multitasking OS - depending on how they dumbed it down, could be way beyond iPhone OS

      1024x600 at 7" vs 1024x768 at 10" - I think the pixel density on the PlayBook is at least a bit higher.

    2. Re:hmm by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's been said that Apple ships so many devices that it's often able to buy up the entire production capacity for certain components for several months. It's possible that they've cornered the market on 9.7" touch screens and that that iPad has been successful enough that they continue to purchase the growing manufacturing capacity as it becomes available.

      Companies want to ship now or as close to it as possible. If there won't be a sizable quantity of 9.7" screens until next spring it's not going to be possible to make a tablet using those dimensions. I haven't tried using a 7" tablet device, but the only difference is that the iPad has an extra 168 pixels, which may make a difference, but how much of one I can't say. It may also make the device somewhat less precise as there's a smaller physical area to register touches on, but that can be compensated for in software and Android has definitely been coming along quite well. How well the QNX works on the BlackBerry tablet is another matter, but it doesn't have to be a huge hurdle.

      The processor and RAM are probably the most ambitious I've seen in terms of a tablet so far, but it may not be much better than what future Android tablets or the next generation iPad has by the time this device actually ships. Some of the specs are better than the current iPad, others aren't, and hardware specs aren't always the best indicator of devise usability of usefulness anyhow. The devise isn't even available yet, so it's somewhat useless to try to compare it to the iPad since no one has had extensive hands on with it yet.

    3. Re:hmm by nomadic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hey, all I want is a 9 inch (or higher pad) with the ipad's battery life, a USB port, and a non-locked down OS (preferrably linux, but I'll take a Windows variant); all the other specs I can live with.

    4. Re:hmm by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not to mention something that looks, feels and is as well-made as the iPad. The other day I messed with a few Android phones, and the newer ones appear to be a close match to the iPhone when it comes to quality of the screen, responsiveness, and usability. The illusion ends however when you pick one up and take a closer look... most have a cheap plasticy feel, often with too many buttons in all the wrong places.

      I love my iPhone but if someone decides to make an Android phone with a focus on quality rather than cutting corners, I'll be all over it. Same with tablets, really...

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    5. Re:hmm by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Display 11,6“, 1366 x 768 Pixels, Color, Touchscreen
      Processor 1,66 GHz Intel Atom N450 Pineview-M
      RAM 1 GB
      Memory 16 / 32 GB, Extension with SDHC Card up to 32 GB possible
      Java /Flash / Adobe AIR yes / yes / yes
      Applications WeTab Meta-Store integrates multiple Stores, Support for native, Java, Linux, Adobe AIR® and Android Apps
      Supported eBook formats ePub, PDF, TXT, Mobipocket, WeBook premium format at Q4/10
      Battery up to 6 hours
      Wireless Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR, Wi-Fi (802.11 b/g/n), optional 3G (UMTS/HSDPA)

      http://wetab.mobi/en/product-details

      Price from 449 euro. I don't know what the iPad cost, similar?

    6. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're comparing specs *announced* for "early 2011" to a shipping product? Yeah....

    7. Re:hmm by aliquis · · Score: 1

      May fail in the battery and screen department (Guess it's not IPS?)
      http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1801216&cid=33717736

      But in all other areas chances are it's better.

    8. Re:hmm by Dr+Max · · Score: 1

      Hey, all I want is a 9 inch (or higher pad) with the ipad's battery life, a USB port, and a non-locked down OS (preferrably linux, but I'll take a Windows variant); all the other specs I can live with.

      Notion ink adam, is that and more. Its operating system is android, but you could put ubuntu on it.

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    9. Re:hmm by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      Other than the 7" screen, this thing not only meets but surpasses the iPad's specs.

      Wow just wait 'till I get my hands on one of these. No seriously, I mean we'll have to wait since it's not actually in stores until 2011. So, um, wanna play a game on my iPad while we wait ?

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    10. Re:hmm by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Yep looks pretty cool, definitely something I would take over the ipad. Wonder when (or if) the US gets it.

    11. Re:hmm by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Why is it so hard for someone to just finally release an ipad competitor that at least tries to match the specs? 7 inches is barely above smartphone level.

      I have an Android tablet (M721 with Android 2.1) with a 7" screen. It's plenty big for just about anything, and it actually fits in cargo pockets and little sleeves on a backpack. Unlike the much-too-large iPad. I can hold it in one hand without a problem, it's light and not so big that the weight is cantilevered out there.

      Sometimes things CAN be too big (although that's not what she said...)

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    12. Re:hmm by Phleg · · Score: 1

      You do realize that there will be a new iPad out well before this thing launches, right?

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    13. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Other than the 7" screen,"

      That's a HUGE problem for some people who want a tablet. And it's not just the 7" dimensions, the resolution is lower than the ipad too.

      Why can't companies get a clue and get a 720p on these devices? If people want Flash, they want it for video, and 4:3 and lower resolutions doesn't cut it.

    14. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dual-core Cortex A9 processor: The A9, at the same clock speed, is 20-30% faster than the A8. This has two of them. We're looking at almost triple the iPad's processor power.

      You don't really know how dual-core works, do you.

    15. Re:hmm by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      They're being very sane here. They know the iPad will eat them alive if they try to compete directly, so they're trying to find somewhere to get a foothold from which they can attack.

    16. Re:hmm by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      The RAM... the RAM!

      I just hope these specs trickle down to smartphones some time soon - these toy tablets are just too big for my pockets, and I already have a real tablet PC. But a smartphone with these specs, and a 3.7" 1024x600 or higher res screen... Want.

    17. Re:hmm by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 1

      Will it fit in a suit pocket? Only reason I refuse to get an iPad

    18. Re:hmm by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 1

      Next June? This launches before christmas...

    19. Re:hmm by SolitaryMan · · Score: 1

      So, um, wanna play a game on my iPad while we wait ?

      I would love to! Does you iPad run Modern Warfare 2?

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    20. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Other than the 7" screen, this thing not only meets but surpasses the iPad's specs

      Given that this thing is not going to be released until early next year, comparing it to the current iPad is pointless. Also, I give far less faith in flashy movies of upcoming products and marketing hype until they demo the actual device. Remember Courier? Or the Google tablet screenshots that leaked out just after the iPad was released and it looked suspiciously like an iPad?

      Also, dual core, 1G of ram -- hows the battery life looking?

    21. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, so why did I foe you? I don't recall. Did you used to troll against Linux and then changed your ways?

    22. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the price, the battery life, and available apps? All of these factors are at least as important as RAM or CPU speed to most users. Also, it's not going to compete against the current iPad. It's going to have to compete with the next iPad.

    23. Re:hmm by Phleg · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and I have a bridge to sell you...

      In Jobs' iPad keynote, you couldn't get him to stop touching the thing, demoing it, and showing it off. To contrast, in this demo, they don't even touch the screen. The video advertisement doesn't even show an actual device. It doesn't even physically exist yet, and they're going to be shipping them before Christmas? Good luck with that.

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  5. this is fucking hilarious by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Funny

    They're using WebKit (the leading mobile browser) since it's LGPL. They're also using QNX, which, while not exactly open source, was shared source. Key word: was. RIM (as in rim job) closed it up after buying QNX.

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  6. They keep designing for yesterday.... by LibertineR · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Why? We dont need this. We need a Storm 3 that WORKS! Why is RIM ignoring the market that made them successful? Let Apple have the consumers, let Droid have the geeks. Business needs a phone that just works, dammit. Oooh, a tablet. I can read my email with larger fonts? WTF?!?!?

    Hey RIM, pssst! There is nothing wrong with having the boring, but secure, reliable but quick, phone that just works. NOTHING.

    You are being distracted into oblivion by people who WONT BUY YOUR TABLET ANYWAY.

    1. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by e065c8515d206cb0e190 · · Score: 1

      There is nothing wrong with having the boring, but secure, reliable but quick, phone that just works. NOTHING.

      Yes there is.
      There's no growth nor margin (i.e. money to be made) in the market you're describing. Believe it or not, it actually matters to RIM management and shareholders. As long as they keep making good handsets, I don't mind their ventures in the tablet market.

    2. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you're describing is the iPhone. You can go out and buy one today.

    3. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by L3370 · · Score: 1

      And the first lineup can only connect via WIFI or tethering to an existing blackberry! WHY would you want two different devices reading the same BES emails????

      Once this thing comes out with 3g/4g capability I can see many businesses wanting to adopt this. But since the projected release is Q2 2011, the 3G won't be ready till late 2011 early 2012--Plenty of time for other companies to design something better.

      Typical RIM...showing up late to the party with a 12-pack of Zima's after everyone's had their fill of the punch bowl.

    4. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by lakeland · · Score: 1

      No, the iPhone has quite limited enterprise features - the ability to mass deploy changes and lock them down tight is all but non-existent

    5. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by TheCount22 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why? We dont need this. We need a Storm 3 that WORKS! Why is RIM ignoring the market that made them successful? Let Apple have the consumers, let Droid have the geeks. Business needs a phone that just works, dammit. Oooh, a tablet. I can read my email with larger fonts? WTF?!?!?

      Hey RIM, pssst! There is nothing wrong with having the boring, but secure, reliable but quick, phone that just works. NOTHING.

      You are being distracted into oblivion by people who WONT BUY YOUR TABLET ANYWAY.

      It's likely that the QNX team (recently acquired by RIM) will be making this product. So I don't think it will change the focus and quality of the current offerings.

    6. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the iPhone has quite limited enterprise features - the ability to mass deploy changes and lock them down tight is all but non-existent

      http://support.apple.com/kb/DL926

      You're welcome

    7. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nowhere near what BES can do. And you need to use Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync for the other half of your provisioning (I'm not familiar with Domino interop features.)

    8. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can leverage their Enterprise Server and reputation and provide a tablet experience for those users clamoring for it. And there are a *lot* of use cases where the tablet form factor is really, really beneficial. I work in the Healthcare field and a tablet form factor has many good uses. We are resisting the iPad because of issues regarding enterprise management, but also the requirement of sanitizing it...can't do it on the iPad, hopefully can do on the Playbook.

    9. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Why? We dont need this. We need a Storm 3 that WORKS! Why is RIM ignoring the market that made them successful? Let Apple have the consumers, let Droid have the geeks. Business needs a phone that just works, dammit. Oooh, a tablet. I can read my email with larger fonts? WTF?!?!?

      Hey RIM, pssst! There is nothing wrong with having the boring, but secure, reliable but quick, phone that just works. NOTHING.

      You are being distracted into oblivion by people who WONT BUY YOUR TABLET ANYWAY.

      It's likely that the QNX team (recently acquired by RIM) will be making this product. So I don't think it will change the focus and quality of the current offerings.

      Shades of BeOS and Palm, except Palm didn't capitalise on their purchase.

    10. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the first lineup can only connect via WIFI or tethering to an existing blackberry! WHY would you want two different devices reading the same BES emails????

      Actually, it doesn't.

      The playbook doesn't have native blackberry email, it tethers to a blackberry via encrypted bluetooth. It's really just a bigger screen for your BES email.

      From the press release,

      "This means they can opt to use the larger tablet display to seamlessly and securely view any of the email, BBM(TM), calendar, tasks, documents and other content that resides on (or is accessible through) their smartphone. They can also use their tablet and smartphone interchangeably without worrying about syncing or duplicating data."

      and

      "When connected over Bluetooth, the smartphone content is viewable on the tablet, but the content actually remains stored on the BlackBerry smartphone and is only temporarily cached on the tablet (and subject to IT policy controls). With this approach to information security, IT departments can deploy the BlackBerry PlayBook to employees out-of-the-box without worrying about all the security and manageability issues that arise when corporate data is stored on yet another device. "

    11. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by LibertineR · · Score: 0

      Can you really envision a bunch of Doctors strolling down the hall at your local hospital carrying one of these things.....with a PHONE hanging off of it from a cable for tethering purposes? This thing should either be a 4G device out of the box, or they just should not build it.

    12. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      But it is pretty. When I saw it, I felt the same irrational urge to buy that I feel when I look at Apple products. I just want to......hold it.

      So maybe people will buy it.

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    13. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      While Symbian isn't perfect is there any reason Nokia E7 wouldn't be a good business phone?

      Your network runs CDMA? How large part of the US use CDMA? Which carriers?

      I don't get why Nokia couldn't release a CDMA phone if they don't have one already. What's stopping them? Will?

    14. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure TFA said the tethering was achieved via Bluetooth, not "a PHONE hanging off of it from a cable".

    15. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you really envision a bunch of Doctors strolling down the hall at your local hospital carrying one of these things.....with a PHONE hanging off of it from a cable for tethering purposes? This thing should either be a 4G device out of the box, or they just should not build it.

      Do you know that bluetooth doesn't use cables? Why would you tether using cables when it specifically says tethering is through bluetooth?

      Besides, a doctor would have wifi in the hospital and doesn't need 4G or bluetooth.

    16. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Holy crap.

      That's a worse fail than their development SDK.

      HTML/CSS or Flash *only*.

      http://na.blackberry.com/eng/developers/tablet.jsp

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    17. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by hitmark · · Score: 1

      Maybe not growth, but there will always be a margin; tho it may be razor thin compared to what it was a decade ago.

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    18. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by Lucky75 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, what do you call the 9700? The Torch? The curves, and pearls that they release? RIM can hardly be faulted for not providing good business phones, especially with the release of 6.0. Much more choice than apple's one size fits all phone.

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    19. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by Lucky75 · · Score: 1

      Why? We dont need this. We need a Storm 3 that WORKS! Why is RIM ignoring the market that made them successful? Let Apple have the consumers, let Droid have the geeks. Business needs a phone that just works, dammit. Oooh, a tablet. I can read my email with larger fonts? WTF?!?!?

      Hey RIM, pssst! There is nothing wrong with having the boring, but secure, reliable but quick, phone that just works. NOTHING.

      You are being distracted into oblivion by people who WONT BUY YOUR TABLET ANYWAY.

      Moreover, designing for yesterday? They beat the iPad specs hands down, and QNX is a fantastic RTOS. What's wrong with a device that can do everything pretty damn well? I love how your topic complains about them using outdated designs but the body of your post wants them to be solid and secure (exactly what they are now). Which is it? Contradict yourself much?

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    20. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by Lucky75 · · Score: 1

      Better yet, why would you want to pay for data on two different devices when you can get away with only paying for one? Do you like throwing extra money at wireless carriers? Are you also aware that 80% of all iPads sold don't have 3G enabled either? Why the double standard? And I'm not sure where you're getting your release date numbers either.

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    21. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like the Danger team (recently acquired by Microsoft) did to make the KIN?
      We all saw how well that went.
      Culture-clash killed it dead.

    22. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by Lucky75 · · Score: 1

      You know it's actually capable of working without a blackberry tether, don't you? It's a completely independent device, but tethering allows you to use 3G data without having to pay for another data plan. It only acts as a larger screen for the blackberry IF YOU WANT IT TO. It's still a fully functional tablet, it just allows you to do more.

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    23. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is nothing wrong with having the boring, but secure, reliable but quick, phone that just works. NOTHING

      How about less and less people buying it?

      There was nothing wrong with Netware. NOTHING. But Microsoft sank them in about a heartbeat, and why? Because everyone had Windows 95 running on their desktops. Was there a good reason to migrate from a boring, safe, reliable, quick operating system to a flashy, flawed, high maintenance, bloated operating system? Nope, there wasn't ... but it happened anyway.

      And I really agree with you, RIM is wasting their time and money. There's nothing inspired or new in this device.. and it kind of resembles something familiar to me.. just... can't... quite... place... it :)

    24. Re:They keep designing for yesterday.... by ConfusedVorlon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      a lot of people and businesses will like the idea that they don't have to pay for an additional data connection.

      seems smart to me. You have a phone with a data contract. Why would you want to shell out another $15ish/month for another device to connect to the web when you are away from home/office wifi.

  7. I wonder by KillaGouge · · Score: 1

    I wonder if these things will replace the iPad at meetings and such. It seems like a good idea, but having to tether could be a pain.

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    1. Re:I wonder by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The initial model will be Wifi with tethering. There will be a 3G model later but they haven't announced when is the release date.

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    2. Re:I wonder by shoehornjob · · Score: 1

      It seems like a good idea, but having to tether could be a pain.

      In a nutshell they just shot themselves in the foot. Unless they have some super cool software on that thing they had better stop trying to play catch up and innovate. They've already lost a lot of ground.

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    3. Re:I wonder by nomel · · Score: 1

      Bluetooth tether? I did this between my phone and laptop for a while. Any time my pocket was near the laptop, I could click a button and have internet access connect.

  8. Missing from the release by WCguru42 · · Score: 1

    A few things I'd like to have answered

    1. What's the battery life on this bad boy.
    2. Why no cell network connection out the gate.
    3. Some sort of estimate on price.

    I'm glad they're doing a redesigned OS for this. The tablet market should get real interesting in the next few years.

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  9. "Play"book by Teese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Targeted at business users but called a playbook, eh? Seems like an odd name for that.

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    1. Re:"Play"book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not really. It panders to business speak ... "oh, we'll take a page from their playbook" - eg: referring to strategy, not a gaming platform.

      I know a bunch of alpha salespeople / marketers that are gonna love this thing, even if it is crap.

    2. Re:"Play"book by L3370 · · Score: 1

      Their marketing dept figures the target audience to be business minded Alpha males that like to watch sports, drink beer, and complain about their wives at manly superbowl parties.

    3. Re:"Play"book by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not really. It panders to business speak ... "oh, we'll take a page from their playbook" - eg: referring to strategy, not a gaming platform.

      I know a bunch of alpha salespeople / marketers that are gonna love this thing, even if it is crap.

      RIM should create a phone called the "New Paradigm". I wish I could say I'm aiming for a 'funny' here but I used to work at a place where 'Buzzword Bingo' was a way us engineering-peons really passed the time during meetings.

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    4. Re:"Play"book by shoehornjob · · Score: 1

      Oh I don't know about that. It seems obvious they have some sort of sports thing going on here. Seems like a good choice to me.

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    5. Re:"Play"book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's better than "Little Black Book".

    6. Re:"Play"book by owlnation · · Score: 1

      "RIM should create a phone called the "New Paradigm"."

      "Synergy" would also be a good name for the same reason. Absolutely would appeal to their core userbase.

    7. Re:"Play"book by fermion · · Score: 1
      Given the focus on Flash and video output, it is probably a 'play with yourself book.' It has enough business use that it can be written of the taxes, but still be primarily used for entertainment.

      A business device has no need for flash, unless one wants the firm to pay broadband for advertising. My favorite thing about the iPad is that I do not have use my limited broadband to download the flash ads. Sucks for firms that use flash ads, but that is their choice. Mostly I do not block non-flash ads.

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    8. Re:"Play"book by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Leverage and Core Strength.

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    9. Re:"Play"book by socsoc · · Score: 1

      Any decent agency will design a Flash creative and have a fallback gif for viewers without Flash. The iPad isn't really harming the people who are smart.

    10. Re:"Play"book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn it, I just needed "synergy" and I would have had a cover-all!

    11. Re:"Play"book by tehcyder · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not really. It panders to business speak ... "oh, we'll take a page from their playbook" - eg: referring to strategy, not a gaming platform.

      Not a phrase I'd ever come across before in the UK, so I googled it, "playbook" refers to a notebook containing (American) football plays, which would explain why it is a US-business speak phrase.

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    12. Re:"Play"book by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I used to work at a place where 'Buzzword Bingo' was a way us engineering-peons really passed the time during meetings.

      Because you had nothing constructive to contribute? Because you're intellectually retarded?

      Just curious.

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    13. Re:"Play"book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Engineering peons? As if the whole world doesn't have a collective hard-on for engineers...

      What does that make the rest of us non-engineering folk? (As if I didn't already know)

    14. Re:"Play"book by Rudeboy777 · · Score: 1

      As if the whole world doesn't have a collective hard-on for engineers...

      You don't seem to be familiar with society in the USA.

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    15. Re:"Play"book by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Why, haven't had a real job yet?

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  10. QNX Neutrino... by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

    I like that they are using QNX. Of course, this device will be just as awful as most blackberries.

  11. spec tradeoff by Jabrwock · · Score: 1

    They're hoping you're willing to overlook the smaller screen in return for front/back facing cameras and a higher resolution screen. Which, if rumours are to be believed, means they will be overshadowed when the iPad Mk II comes out.

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  12. Enterprise Ready by Sonny+Yatsen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    RIM is touting this as enterprise ready, but a lot of the features seems more geared towards a toy gadget (being able to play all sorts of video and audio formats, 1080p output, etc) and less as a business tool. I don't know of many companies that will willingly hand their employees (after already giving them a Blackberry phone) an add-on device that seems like it's geared to kill productivity.

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    1. Re:Enterprise Ready by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      You can probably use that 1080p for presentations. It's not as if a laptop with Powerpoint necessarily will be more suited for it.

    2. Re:Enterprise Ready by KillaGouge · · Score: 1

      would be really interesting to have the playbook output the presentation and the BlackBerry itself be the remote.

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    3. Re:Enterprise Ready by accessbob · · Score: 1

      It's a positioning product aimed at changing market perception of Blackberry, with the OS and it's new features (like a decent web browser for a change - actually the same core web browser as on the iPad) will filter back to the mainstream products. Then there is 4G coming up - this will probably be one of the first 4G (data) phones to hit the market, and with desktop-like power. It's actually a big step.

    4. Re:Enterprise Ready by Netshroud · · Score: 1

      It's enterprise-ready. (It + you) isn't.

    5. Re:Enterprise Ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a bad idea to have something in your lineup to appeal to the CxO's that would otherwise bring a new i-whatever in to the IT shop and demand that they make it work.

    6. Re:Enterprise Ready by Eil · · Score: 1

      RIM, as you probably know, has the market on enterprise communication devices with the Blackberry. Since the iPad came out, almost every enterprise has started trial programs for the iPad in their organization. (Although in my company, this trial program is limited to all of the executives and managers. I posit that it's just a thinly veiled excuse to use company funds to pay for them to play around with an obviously consumer-level gadget. But I digress...)

      This PlayBook is simply RIM's response to this. It's purely so that RIM can tell their shareholders that they at least tried to introduce a tablet to combat Apple's perceived inroads into enterprise tablet devices.

  13. playbook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Should have named it Blackbook.

    1. Re:playbook? by Wowlapalooza · · Score: 1

      I suggested that the follow-on from Blackberry should be Dingleberry.

    2. Re:Playbook? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      As it's aimed at businesses, it should really really really be called the RIM-JOBS but I can see where there might be a problem.

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  14. 'Replace' iPads??? WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People would actually have to be using Apple's worthless iPads in meeting for them to be 'replaced'...

    The only idiots with iPads are the Hipster Douchebag Starbucks crowd.

  15. Where's the mention of the price? by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One thing I seem to have missed is the price.

    How much is this thing? $500?

    It's just like that Android tablet by Samsung - why is there no announcement on price? Even subsidized prices if you must. Rumored pricing has it expensive, though.

    And now this thing comes out with a ton of nice specs, but no pricing.

    Heck, at least Jobs announced the iPad's price when he did the iPad keynote.

    1. Re:Where's the mention of the price? by MBCook · · Score: 1

      My first through when reading the specs was the "symmetric multiprocessing support". I'm not sure tablets really need dual cores. My first thought when seeing that in something like a 7" tablet is they can't get their software to run smoothly enough on a single core, which would be worrying.

      But the thing that REALLY stands out is the battery life. I isn't mentioned anywhere, but that was one of Apple's big selling points on the iPad. The fact that it has dual cores makes me think it's not going to last long. The smaller screen should help.

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    2. Re:Where's the mention of the price? by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

      Since you have to pair it with an existing BlackBerry for 3G connectivity, I'd assume that subsidized pricing can be ruled out....unless they offer it alongside phones with new contracts (much like AT&T giving out free Netbooks with new contracts).

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    3. Re:Where's the mention of the price? by nomel · · Score: 1

      Dual core is always nice. That way, OS functions (like touch processing/gesture recognition, backgound anything, etc) can be separate from the application process giving consistency/no jumpy lag. Especially if you're watching something as intensive as a 2 megapixel video.

    4. Re:Where's the mention of the price? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      You'd have to factor in the cost of a blackberry too. They seem to be really plugging BlackBery phone integration with this thing.

      Which is a bold move, they've got the market share that this isn't a stupid decision. Between BB6, and this, I think BlackBerry's got some fat quarters ahead of itself. Even if this thing is stupid expensive, this isn't meant for the teenager who got a blackberry pearl so they could text on a QWERTY keyboard and maybe play Tetris.

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    5. Re:Where's the mention of the price? by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      Heck, at least Jobs announced the iPad's price when he did the iPad keynote.

      Apple also shipped about 60 days after showing their device off. I don't see any of these guys doing that either.

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    6. Re:Where's the mention of the price? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Heck, at least Jobs announced the iPad's price when he did the iPad keynote.

      It cost him nothing to appear transparent and informative, as the drooling Mac first-adopter queuing-up-to-be-allowed-to-purchase fanbois don't care about the price anyway.

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  16. QNX by TheCount22 · · Score: 1

    A tablet with QNX sounds like a cool idea. From what I remember QNX is extremely fast and responsive.

    I am not sure it will sell however.

    In any case give me shell access and I'll buy one.

  17. Perfect Tablet by copponex · · Score: 2, Informative

    Triple core ARM setup with HD video playback
    Symmetrical rectangular ABS plastic frame with shatterproof glass
    - docking port/HDMI on the bottom
    - USB3 on left and right
    - evenly spaced screw beds around the sides for accessory bodies/attachments
    - VESA plate for the back
    PixelQi display (indoor/outdoor/e-ink)
    Stylus or touch input
    Front and rear 3 to 5MP cameras
    - allow slack for the rear camera connection so the lens can be integrated into a larger body
    Built in stereo mic
    Built in stereo speakers
    Mini PCI slot instead of built in 3G
    GPS with compass
    Accelerometers

    Keep things squared off and let the consumer decide if they want to buy cheap silicone to round it off. That makes it easier for vendors to design bodies to add laser scanners or extended batteries or label printers or whatever.

    1. Re:Perfect Tablet by nomel · · Score: 1

      PixelQi display (indoor/outdoor/e-ink)

      I think this and single or even multi pixel illumination will be the biggest movement in the nearish future displays. The whole concept of blasting full brightness/power for a black screen (with current backlight displays) is just insane/dumb for mobile applications.

      I think the coolest, but probably not very useful, future of PixelQi type displays is the possibility for true color displays....as in each pixel can be any color of the rainbow, emitting the wavelength of that color rather than the poor gamut of RGB. The lack of brightness control for the color pixels of these types of screens probably totally kills and "better quality" claims though...unless they just pulse the colors...maybe in the future.

    2. Re:Perfect Tablet by EEPROMS · · Score: 1

      or just get a wetab

      http://wetab.mobi/en

    3. Re:Perfect Tablet by Marcika · · Score: 1

      or just get a wetab http://wetab.mobi/en

      Word is that it sucks bad [German]... (Ships without the promised Android compatibility layer, without hardware video acceleration enabled, without Flash...) Pity, it's a nice concept...

  18. yet another tablet by cuby · · Score: 1

    Buzz word driven evolution. Two years ago were netbooks, last year were ebook readers and this year we have tablets. Everyone needs to get its costumed or proprietary gadget on the market, just to mark a position. I don't see market for all this stuff. Who need a cell phone (or 2), netbook, ebook reader and tablet at the same time? I predict gadjet saturation.

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    1. Re:yet another tablet by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      I don't see market for all this stuff. Who need a cell phone (or 2), netbook, ebook reader and tablet at the same time? I predict gadget saturation.

      If saturation does happen, we'll welcome it! I'm tiring of waiting for $200 price tags for netbooks, Android smartphones and tablets. Amazon's ereader finally got way under that mark, an my wallet is itching for more supply so I can demand low prices.

      Subsidized contracts bring lock-in and force you into data plans even if you just want a lightweight wifi device to carry with no 3G service. Maybe next year's christmas gifts will include these cheap tablets?

    2. Re:yet another tablet by Reaperducer · · Score: 1

      I'm tiring of waiting for $200 price tags for netbooks

      You've already missed the boat. I paid $137 for my eeePC 701 (Buy or Overstock, I forget which one). Unforuntately, you really can't get a TRUE netbook anymore, just notebooks with netbook stickers.

      Never before have I seen such a perfect example of feature bloat destroying a niche.

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  19. Suprising by MrDoh! · · Score: 1

    That actually looks pretty good. It's got all the must have features any new tablet will have to provide, and if direct access to the Blackberry servers, not having 3G for huge offices could be usefull for some corporations. Might as well use their in-building wireless with all it's controls.
    I don't see this as an iPad competitor, but Android, as long as it comes out REALLY early in 2011 and has decent battery life and reasonable price. Doesn't need to be cheaper considering they're after the business market, just reasonable. Considering they ARE aiming for their existing market, not having an itunes like media/apps center could be seen as an advantage "Your execs desperate for a tablet but you don't want them playing Angry Birds all day? use this! With a set of policies able to be locked down, your drones will be doing what YOU want them to do".

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  20. Will compete with iPad v2 - it's all about cost by rsborg · · Score: 1
    The fact that RIM decided to release this vapor statement says more about RIM than about what we should expect the product to do... aside from the geek-inspiring stats, there was no mention of battery life or cost, which are probably more important for such a device than whether it's running a dual-core processor

    I do think their recent acquisition of QNX combined with their copying the looks of WebOS are strategically wise, but so was the hype on the original "Storm" but their hardware implementation was a faceplant (Storm 2 is much better).

    I wish them luck... if the Android tablets continue to be cripped by the contract required for Market access issue, they may make some headway... will be a bonus for them if Microsoft continues to stumble on the mobile front (WP7 looks promising, but MS is late to the game).

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  21. Are there really people with 4-digit UID... by PaulBu · · Score: 1

    ... who think that QNX is "brand new"???

    I was snickering at that "brand new OS" myself, for all of what it took me to read next four words, and I thought "Wow, that's cool! Smart move!"

    Anyone else remember those 3.5" QNX demo floppies, with kernel, GUI and functional browser on top?

    Paul B.

    1. Re:Are there really people with 4-digit UID... by nadador · · Score: 1

      No. We 4-digit people all downloaded those floppies and used them on our parents' Windows boxes so that we could feel morally superior to Windows users while also not having to actually convince our parents to run Linux on their computers. Ah, memories.

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    2. Re:Are there really people with 4-digit UID... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      QNX was a company that was bought by Palm. QNX is also a microkernel OS (a really nice design, actually), however that is not the OS that this tablet will run. According to TFA, the QNX team have built a new, POSIX-compliant, OS.

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    3. Re:Are there really people with 4-digit UID... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      I thought this was obvious but, "Brand New OS*."

      * Not our current offerings also has so many customizations it might as well be.

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    4. Re:Are there really people with 4-digit UID... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      bought by Palm

      And, when I say Palm, I mean RIM. Brain not working today.

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    5. Re:Are there really people with 4-digit UID... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Gateway-Amiga pre Linux/AmigaDE/Tao-groups Elate idiotism was the days.

      Plans of using QNX as base for a new Amiga OS. Good idea to scrap it. Not.

      Sorry Jim Collas :(

    6. Re:Are there really people with 4-digit UID... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      ... who think that QNX is "brand new"???

      Nobody said QNX was brand new.

      They said the tablet was running a brand new OS developed by QNX.

      Meaning, this isn't the QNX you got on floppy, it's an OS built by those same people, but specifically for RIM for a tablet.

      And, really, if someone is going to write an OS for a tablet, it should be somebody who created an OS that had a multiple tasking, windowing system with a web browser that could fit on a 1.4" floppy. It means that the overhead of the OS can fit into a small footprint.

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    7. Re:Are there really people with 4-digit UID... by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      the QNX demo floppy was the coolest thing ever. I remember freaking someone out that I'd wiped their PC when I booted one of those up. Good times.

    8. Re:Are there really people with 4-digit UID... by grub · · Score: 1


      ... who think that QNX is "brand new"???

      I remember installing QNX with my "unix guru" acquaintance on my state-of-the-art 386 Back In The Day. He left here to work at Quantum Software Systems in Ontario a couple of years after introducing me to the unixy way.

      Dan Hildebrand, R.I.P. :(

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    9. Re:Are there really people with 4-digit UID... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      That's how I read it, but the article on El Reg specifically mentioned the Neutrino microkernel, so it sounds like they're using the Stallman definition of 'operating system,' meaning the entire platform.

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  22. Ya RIM confuses me by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    I -love- my Curve 8330. Old hardware though it may be, it works great. Their scrolly based interface is easy to use and the phone was designed to get shit done. It is a business phone. It's call quality and signal quality are great, it is solid, it is everything I want in a phone. No it isn't shiny or hip, but I didn't buy it for that. I, or rather my employer, bought it as a business communications device, something it is fantastic at.

    They seem to have problem understanding that is the market, that is why people like them. Let Apple have the hipster market who's in to shiny gadgets. I agree there's lots of money in it but you are too late, and don't have the cool factor Apple does. Also, like all fashion markets, it is notoriously fickle and you could find it has run off to the next trend in a hurry. The business market is solid though.

    1. Re:Ya RIM confuses me by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Also, like all fashion markets, it is notoriously fickle and you could find it has run off to the next trend in a hurry. The business market is solid though.

      RIM should be careful not to lose the business market as well. More and more businesses are working on getting private or corporate iPhones, Android devices or Windows phones into their IT ecosystem. And not just small nimble businesses with some enthusiasts IT guys and a geeky CIO; I'm talking megacorps with byzanthian IT organisations and conservative decision making. I have one of those as a client, and found to my surprise that a good many Blackberry users don't like their device a lot, even the non-geek manager types, and even the ones who do not already own an iPhone or Android. Very few of the people who got their private iPhone hooked up to the corporate email and calendar have looked back at their Blackberries.

      Once Apple get their corporate provisioning workflow up to snuff, RIM will really have something to worry about.

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    2. Re:Ya RIM confuses me by hitmark · · Score: 1

      Not likely, as Apple have never been much for big corps. Soho and mom and pop perhaps, but wall street towers? nah.

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    3. Re:Ya RIM confuses me by icegreentea · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dude. They're still pumping out Bold and Curve revisions that are nothing but spec bumps + the trackpad. All this other crap? It's on the side.

      I know a looot of people who work at RIM. They all know that they have to keep the enterprise market locked down. But that's mostly to do with the BES. Hardware wise, they've already long surpassed what "enterprise" needs. To keep growing, they NEED to grab some part of the consumer market. All that RIM growth the last couple years? That's just been them leveraging the hell out of BBM and selling them to college students. That's not going to last at this rate if their hardware doesn't keep up.

    4. Re:Ya RIM confuses me by MrCrassic · · Score: 1

      Allow me to one-up you. I traded in my Blackberry Bold for the Blackberry 8700 just about a month ago. It's a clunker hardware-wise: it's screen is faded and small, as big as a brick (relatively speaking) and looks just fabulous in today's world of iPhones and Droids. However, it's the most reliable e-mail and phone device I've ever owned. Ever. A DoS on RIM and T-Mobile's server would have to happen before my device crashes (and it's happened!). The scroll-wheel makes viewing email perfect and intuitive, and the keyboard fits great in my hands and is a pleasure to type on. Even more importantly, it's great for phone calls and has, hands-down, the best mobile speakerphone EVER.

      I'd never, EVER use it as my personal device nowadays, especially since web browsing sucks hard on it and the OS isn't supported anymore. However, it's a perfect business phone that's all work, no play (except for BrickBreaker). My Nexus One covers the play part pretty well. :)

    5. Re:Ya RIM confuses me by MrCrassic · · Score: 1

      As for the article, RIM probably doesn't really need to push a tablet out, but popular demand kind of forces them to. Lots of folks are getting iPads and are pressuring IT departments to make them work at work; we're going through the same motions at my employer. Thus, it makes sense for RIM to try and provide a more corporate alternative that would please those with the power of choice. It's not going to dissuade the iPad wave, but it would make for a damned good e-mail device at no additional risk (provided that it works with BES).

    6. Re:Ya RIM confuses me by socsoc · · Score: 1

      I'd never, EVER use it as my personal device nowadays, especially since web browsing sucks hard on it and the OS isn't supported anymore. However, it's a perfect business phone that's all work, no play (except for BrickBreaker). My Nexus One covers the play part pretty well. :)

      And that is why RIM is going to lose. Enterprise is all fine and dandy, but you need the consumer market. The folks that grew up with iOS and Andriod devices are going to want a single device with those capabilities. They will not want to carry two devices like you do. Hell, my employer pays for part of my mobile contract and there is no way that I would carry an additional phone that they've chosen (they've tried).

    7. Re:Ya RIM confuses me by MrCrassic · · Score: 1

      I think the famous adage is "if it ain't broken, don't fix it." They have plenty of demand for smartphones strictly designed for business. Fortunately, some of the loudest voices demanding that are also RIM's biggest clients (federal/municipal governments, military, some top financial firms, etc.) Also, quite frankly, I don't want business intermingling with my personal items, even if it offers the convenience of convergence. I don't want to be reachable at all times; convergence would make that much more difficult to maintain. Worse, making my personal mobile a business mobile (for corporate) makes my device much riskier to lose, since it can potentially carry confidential information that might or might not be easy to retrieve. It also makes it slower and limits my freedoms with it. (What if I store some stuff to my SD card by mistake? Does that mean I have to encrypt my SD card and make it even slower just so I can carry one device? Oh, now my N1 has to do all of this other background check stuff to make it secure enough for our environment; looks like I'll need that bigger battery bulge.)

      Of course, the icing on the cake is the mobile contract itself: either I would be paying for the minutes, or I transfer my then-personal number to the corporation paying for my minutes and lose some desired privacy in the process. Lose-lose scenario. With that said, there is nothing wrong with making a phone that's strictly business, all of the time.

    8. Re:Ya RIM confuses me by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      I agree that they make very good business communication devices. The problem is that their model of everythign going through a BES doesn't make as much sense as it did in the days of slow connection speeds, expensive data and not-quite-as-smart-phones. There are obvious advantages, like the secure remote wipe (which can be bypassed on exchange server devices) but eventually that market is going to go away and be replaced with cheap, commodity smartphones that run a normal mail client and don't require purchase and support of a BES. For example, MS wouldn't have to make that many improvements to Exchange Server Activesync to just remove a lot of the objections people have, and just clean up...That way a company can just go out and get any shiny new handset that the PHB wants and not worry about configuration. At our place the senior management are all using iPhone 4's now, primarily because they're sexier..

    9. Re:Ya RIM confuses me by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      No, I've seen this. I work for a top 5 supermarket chain in the UK and our CEO switched to an iPhone. It's probably not as functional as the Blackberry it replaced - no task support, for one, much worse battery life for another - but the consumer handsets are getting good enough now so that a combination of "ooh, shiny" and similar functionality drives a switch. Plus you don't need a BES.

    10. Re:Ya RIM confuses me by markov_chain · · Score: 1

      It's probably more than that- I bet the CEO was embarrassed being seen with a non-cool phone. Blackberry is kind of yesterday's fad these days.

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  23. 1 Ghz Dual Core CPU? by DJCouchyCouch · · Score: 1

    Is that so they can get Flash to run at acceptable speeds?

    1. Re:1 Ghz Dual Core CPU? by dammy · · Score: 0

      I'm just wondering if it's ARM or x86 based. Hate it when the leave out the tech details.

    2. Re:1 Ghz Dual Core CPU? by f8l_0e · · Score: 1

      I'm more curious as to how they are getting Adobe off their lazy asses to port Flash mobile to another OS.

  24. Until I can buy one, who cares? by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    Sick to death of announcements about tablets that I can not buy. As usual, no news about price, or release date.

    Until I can buy one, these types of announcements are just annoyances.

  25. Re:hmm... 7 inches by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You may have missed all the rumors about the next gen iPad being a 7 inch model. Apparently there is demand for that form size.

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  26. QNX Tablet by TheCount22 · · Score: 1

    In my mind this isn't really a RIM tablet. This is a QNX tablet made by the team who made the QNX operating system.

    That RIM now owns QNX doesn't really change much in the short term. This is going to be awesome!

  27. What's with the humongous bezels? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, every tablet seems to have this design quirk. Either increase the screen size, or shrink the case down to whatever panel you are using.

    1. Re:What's with the humongous bezels? by jinushaun · · Score: 2, Informative

      You must have never used a tablet for any serious amount of time...

      If the bezel on the iPad was any smaller, it would border on useless due to inadvertent touches. The wide bezels gives you an area to actually grab/hold the tablet. Otherwise, you're touching the touch screen and all hell breaks loose. It's not always feasible to cradle or rest the tablet on a surface. (E.g., reading in bed)

      While a narrower bezel would look "cooler", it has no basis in reality. Some concepts remain concepts for a reason.

    2. Re:What's with the humongous bezels? by fotoguzzi · · Score: 1

      Could the software ignore _gestures_ near the edges of a small-bezeled device? Just a thought. I'm sure it would be more difficult than just making the bezel bigger. but if you are always having to move your fingers out of the way, you may crave a bigger bezel.

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  28. Business needs this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Avaya's announced the Flare, Cisco has something else I can't remember the name of, and RIM has this. Once the technology is strong enough, and orgs don't need to put core2duos on every desk, you've got a complete platform that docks at home or work and pulls all your business apps together. Give it 5 years to take off.

  29. Re:hmm... 7 inches by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

    The resolution is a little sad though, and if Apple does release one, I hope it's at least the same as their current model. The 600 pixel vertical resolution is what really kills the low-end netbooks for usability. I relegated mine to use as a video player (on a big monitor) and found one with higher resolution. A good interface can help, but not completely eliminate the limitation.

  30. Re:hmm... 7 inches by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    But that's the problem; they are rumors. The source of the rumors are analysts whose livelihood depends on people listening to what they have to say regardless if they are true or not. These same analysts have been saying every year there will be a Verizon iPhone since the original iPhone launched. Some of them still insist there will be coming 2011 even though AT&T and Apple have an exclusivity deal until 2012. Until someone announces the deal has been canceled, don't believe them.

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  31. Playbook? by Vector+Meson · · Score: 1

    I thought they were going to call it the RIMshot!

  32. QNX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A kickass OS. I recall their legendary floppy disk that autodetected an ethernet or modem connection and launched a web browser. They were also the OS on the I-Opener (still have mine).

  33. Application memory limit by landoltjp · · Score: 1

    Lazaridis said it wont require new data plans, new security or anything new.

    I wonder, since they're not changing their security, if they'll stick with a 64Meg application memory limit

  34. ppbbtt!! by eyenot · · Score: 1

    BlackBerries hanging on for RIM job completion!

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  35. Re:hmm... 7 inches by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

    This is a little 'tin foil hat' but I've thought that companies could plant those rumors to then release such a device to get press as "beating Apple to the punch" as it were. Frankly I don't see Apple doing a form factor between the iPad and iPhone, what would be the point ? The iPad was already criticized for being an overgrown iPod Touch, the in-between tablet really would be.

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  36. Previous QNX hardware? by guidryp · · Score: 1

    Please point out the previous QNX consumer hardware that indicates the experience needed to make an "awesome" tablet?

    Because I am not getting the connection between industrial RTOS experience and producing a consumer tablet.

    1. Re:Previous QNX hardware? by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      Because I am not getting the connection between industrial RTOS experience and producing a consumer tablet.

      Note that the first product of Sharp, known today for electronics, was a mechanical pencil. Don't be so quick to look down your nose that you lose focus.

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  37. QNX. by drolli · · Score: 1

    A new interesting competitor significantly different from the endless stream of linux-based mobile devices (unless qnx, like windriver now uses linux).

    Interesting to see how it competes. i hope they keep the high reliability they are famous for.

    1. Re:QNX. by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      New? QNX has been in the embedded market for over 18 years! Hell, they have more experience with multitasking and unix on small devices than Apple!

      The SDK does not look so promising though, HTML and Flash? WTF?

      Where's my native code?

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    2. Re:QNX. by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      Oh, you meant new tablet competitor. My bad!

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  38. Hardly...the GUI sounds very bad by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2, Funny
    I doubt it. Given that:

    The OS is built on the QNX Neutrino architecture

    Interacting with the thing is going to be just about impossible. All we need now is for the marketing guys to describe it as a "quantum leap" and their utter failure to understand the physics terms they are using will be complete...particularly ironic given that the owner of RIM financed the creation of the Perimeter Institute for theoretical physics in Canada!

  39. iPad probably 8 inches not 7 by perpenso · · Score: 1

    If you take the current iPad resolution and apply the iPhone 3GS pixels per inch you get about 7.9 inches diagonally. Maintaining the current resolution and using something at least as readable as the old iPhone screen might be a practical way to scale down an iPad a bit.

  40. Cost of blackberry does not always factor in by perpenso · · Score: 1

    You'd have to factor in the cost of a blackberry too.

    Not if you already are, or plan to become, a blackberry user.

    1. Re:Cost of blackberry does not always factor in by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Like I said it seems they're plugging the blackberry phone integration pretty hard, that being said though, I think given the installed base for BB devices, they have a hit on their hands.

      It doesn't have to take over the market to be a hit. I predict BB users are going to love the shit out of this thing and buy 2 each.

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  41. Re:hmm... 7 inches by fotoguzzi · · Score: 2, Funny

    7 inches should be enough for anybody.

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  42. LOLWHUT?! by Cyberax · · Score: 2, Informative

    Really. QNX is many, many years BEHIND Linux right now.

    Yeah, they have a microkernel with hard-realtime support and good maximum latency (which Linux can't match just yet).

    However, if you look closely - it's not so great. Unix subsytem, filesystem and network stack all run inside one big process. So if it crashes it's almost as bad as kernel crash in Linux.

    QNX's support for massive SMP (more than 8-16 CPUs) is bad, its scheduler is not quite good enough.

    Various elements of QNX stack are hindered by microkernel approach as well. For example, you can forget about things like receive packet steering ( http://lwn.net/Articles/362339/ ).

    QNX's support for 'transparent distributed processing' is just a joke. It's not usable in practice at all, because of overhead of message passing (which is usually assumed by applications to be extremely cheap).

    1. Re:LOLWHUT?! by Jurily · · Score: 3, Insightful

      QNX's support for massive SMP (more than 8-16 CPUs) is bad, its scheduler is not quite good enough.

      How will they ever compete in the handheld market?

    2. Re:LOLWHUT?! by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Grandparent claimed that QNX is architecturally more advanced than Linux. I was replying to that claim.

    3. Re:LOLWHUT?! by _DangerousDwarf · · Score: 2, Informative

      Parent poster is full of it.

      First off, what is a unix subsystem? And second of all, the filesystem and network stack ARE separate processes.

    4. Re:LOLWHUT?! by cynyr · · Score: 1

      wait a few years, your toaster will have 48 cores(cheapest chip available), you shoes will have 64, and your computer 2308742938462034720397423097423...

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    5. Re:LOLWHUT?! by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      "First off, what is a unix subsystem?"

      devc-pty, pipe, mqueue, etc. I.e. everything which is POSIX and not implemented in procnt.

      About filesystem and network - I'm talking about fast NFS, it had to be implemented as a statically compiled combination io-net and fs-nfs2.

  43. Re:hmm... 7 inches by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

    I don't get the 600 pixel limit either.

    More puzzling is that the iPad isn't widescreen - as a media consumption device i'd expect 720p content to display without scaling.

  44. Re:hmm... 7 inches by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    But if you've got 14 inches you could always fold it in half so it's twice as thick...hold on, what were we talking about again?

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  45. Yet another vaporware tablet.... by rclandrum · · Score: 1

    They're like assholes - everyone claims to have one. The problem is that unless the tablet can read your mind and pinch-hit for your bed-partner, they have to survive in a market that Apple has already defined and captured a substantial lead. Just having a few superior specs ain't gonna be enough - it's going to take really deep marketing pockets in order to overcome the iPad mindshare. Also, half of the tablet announcements we've seen here are pure trial balloons, seeing how the general public might react if they actual built what they say they will build. Until you can buy one, they are all vaporware.

  46. Hi def resolutions by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    The device already apparently supports HD via HDCP.
    Would it *really* have been so hard for them to have made the LCD panel 1920x1080?
    Why do so many manufacturers avoid putting full-HD-res screens on their supposedly HD-compatible stuff?

    1. Re:Hi def resolutions by Dog-Cow · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yes, it would. What's the smallest physical screen that can do that resolution? What would it cost? How many minutes would the battery last?

      Have you ever thought, even once, before posting?

    2. Re:Hi def resolutions by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      >> What's the smallest physical screen that can do that resolution?

      Uhh how about this one thats been around for 4 years that also happens to be 7":
      http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/17/sanyo-epson-announce-7-1-inch-1080p-lcd-by-far-the-worlds-smal/

      >> What would it cost?
      in volume probably not much more. If they passed the difference on, the percentage increase in the overall product price would likely be negligible tradeoff against making the device have a lot more appeal and to a wider market.

      >> How many minutes would the battery last?
      Have you any actual proof that a higher screen resolution screen == higher power consumption? My understanding is that the backlighting is where the significant majority of all the power goes so screen resolution largely doesn't matter. Also I understand power consumption could in fact be less for a higher res. screen than a lower res. one depending on the tech used in each.

      >> Have you ever thought, even once, before posting?
      Don't be a dick. of course I have.

  47. Re:hmm... 7 inches by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    A few companies make 7" tablets already, but it seems like a strange size. 5" ones are small enough to slip comfortably into a pocket. 7" is not, but it doesn't give you much of an advantage over 5" in terms of usability.

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  48. Re:hmm... 7 inches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's what she said