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Where I work we recently switched to Dell, away from Compaq. Compaq hardware is so damned proprietary, ya know. But we've got tons of Compaq stuff that we'll need to burn electricity in for years. Hell, we're still running OS/2 on some of it.
The CDDB linkage always makes me nervous. I've been recording a LOT of my vinyl collection to WAV and burning CD Audio disks. Every time I bring up the CD Player in W2K it asks (or it used to ask, before I went in and disabled it from doing so) if I wanted to look up the CD title. Obviously letting it do that would either:
1. Come up not knowing what CD I am playing
or
2. Summon down the enforcers on my townhouse. They'd discover I've dared lace together a network of boxes including the dastardly Linux and NetBSD, and they'd *sob* take away my Microsoft Preferred Customer status. They might even tell Apple one of their poor little SE/30's was being held hostage by NetBSD-68K.
Since I'm doing an analog-to-digital conversion, what I am doing is perfectly legal even if CD Ripping is found illegal at some point. But it still makes me nervous, and wondering if my identity would go on a list for further action.
Yes. I made the mistake a few years ago now of registering Real Player. I got Real Player Plus, and it has been nice that the serial number has thus far carried forward at least to 'G2' so that I can still get updates of what I paid for.
But the real reason I bought Plus was 'oooh! I get a record button with the Plus version.'
It's been useful one single time, and that was to grab a copy of a Legendary Pink Dots bootleg that I probably could have grabbed somehow else anyhow. (it's burned to CDAudio format now, in any case).
Almost no content providers, anywhere enable the record button in Real Player. I suspect it's the same with the Quicktime Player.
Hmmm, tons of comments, and nobody came up with anything essential unless you interpret essential as meaning 'essential now that you're stuck with Mac hardware.' O well.
Not just a floppy (don't make that mistake and allow Apple marketing people to preach about floppy obsolescence) There is no room for any form of writeable removable media. (say, a zip or LS-120 drive...)
There isn't even a SCSI jack on those things anymore, is there? I guess Apple assumes than nobody who buys an iMac will be generating anything on the machine that ever needs backing up or transfer to another machine. Is the iMac a glorified light bulb? Is the iMac customer buying an enhanced WebTV?
Actually Apple is more interested in developing fashionable 'industrial design' enclosures. It's an afterthought to put bays in the case for the equipment the customer wants (i.e. floppy drive, or alternately an LS-120 or Zip drive)
Some companies prefer to let the customer decide what is best (by including a bay for a removable media drive in their case designs).
Apple seemed like they were getting their sh*t together with OS-X. Then they pulled an iMac on us.
I mostly run vi on various embedded OS/2 machines at work, and from within telnet sessions to OS/2 development machines in the lab (from the Win 95 desktop my company pretty much requires me to use.) Heck, I can perform firmware builds on the OS/2 machine logged in to work from home and tweak the code using vi.
It's also nice that a vi variant is installed by default in all the freenixes. There's nothing like getting a new NetBSD box up and running, tweaking config files, setting up accounts and stuff, in a matter of minutes using vi and vipw. (my little Mac SE/30 box running NetBSD says hi to everyone, btw:-)
If you want Exceed on an NT/W2K system, check out the more expensive version of Interix rather than buying Exceed alone. It's about the same amount of money, and you get a whole Posix subsystem to run on the NT Kernel, the GNU tools, GCC, Motif, etc. It's kind of a rush to build Motif Apps on NT and run them native, in parallel with Win32 apps on the same hardware (but in completely separate API subsystems). A lot of Unix/Linux/BSD apps just plain build and run on Interix right out of the source tarball. There is irony in running X apps on an NT box and displaying them on a Unix X desktop.
I'm not sure that since Microsoft bought Interix it consists of the same 'bundle' with Exceed as it was a year ago when I sprung the $300+ for a copy, but it's worth looking into, as you'll spend close to that for Exceed alone from Hummingbird.
The way that you casually switch between talking about Linux and Unix doubtless has more than a few of us disturbed. Please stop trying to leverage the years of Unix history and call it Linux history.
Unix's traditional domain? You mean those huge RS-232 networks of dumb terminals we finally were rid of in the late 80's at most progressive companies? Surely you're not going to claim the 'PC Revolution' happened merely so people could have screen savers on their desks....
Your anectodal evidence about 'time between' is a bit confusing. How much data have you collected? I can't imagine you use all OSes cited equally, and the same apps on each. It's unclear how many 'weeks' of data on Windows 2000 you've managed to log, for instance. I have come to believe that Netscape is one of the more crash prone apps on Linux because it's one of the most powerful Linux 'desktop' apps (aside from things like Mathematica, which are expen$ive enough that the developers wring out a lot of the bugs).
In the end, your numbers end up sounding like FUD.
Spreading rumors about which you have almost zero real experience is a common practice in the computer sphere. It even has a name, derived from the way that it inspires Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt in people not aware of the true motive of the speaker.
The development tools, right now today, are clearly superior to anything offered on any other platform.
Bzzzt! The Linux development tools are available on almost every other Freenix and/or commercial Unix out there. Many are ported to even Windows and OS/2.
You will also find a lot of developers who do not consider them 'superior to anything else', and I am not just talking about Visual Basic or Access 'developers.'
In many local economies, installing a white elephant like Linux at a company is an excellent way to 'screw your customers by getting 'em by the yang.' Where are they going to go for support? You of course. Because You are the leeto sysadmin.
Linux is excellent for locking down companies and keeping them dependent on your $upport. The heritage of the 'machine room' of times unknown (nobody allowed to touch the computer except specially paid men in white coats).
I remember a Xenix sysadmin at a company I worked at in the late 80s. People by that time had started migrating to Microsoft Word on PCs, and a secretary wanted a mouse so she could easily highlight and modify sections of text. 'Secretaries don't need a mouse' the admin ranted. He was already a little sour that people were moving away from using the 'Lyrix' word processor across an RS-232 line on dumb terminals. His power base was shrinking. He was still able to trap a certain number of people by making them run certain apps in VT-100 terminals on their PCs, but times were definitely a-changing.
If you think about it, for a book or any other copyrighted material you purchase, you acquire access to the "source."
I wasn't aware of that. Could you give me a little help, please? I've got this book I bought a copy of. I'd like your help in figuring out who I ask to get my own copies of the offset plates. I'm pretty sure it's not a hot-type book. I have a few older books as well, that are definitely 'hot type.' Could you help me head over to the publisher and lug all those platens of type out to my station wagon? I have a patch I want to apply to some of those books.
It's interesting to speculate what kind of 'bias' the folks on this forum would be ranting about if Microsoft bought a full page ad and the editors of the paper tucked a praiseful article in so conveniently.
Oh wait! Microsoft does that kind of thing!
Oh wait! You mean the commercial Linux vendors are headed down that path now??
Agreed. I just bought a small manual typewriter today at a garage sale. A nice newer Olivetti that cost me $5 (and I could have probably talked them down.
The concept of writing where it all lands right on the paper right in front of you is in a way refreshing. It's permanent right from the keystrokes. I can't count the number of 'journal entires' typed electronically that just disappear, or are lost in the recesses of a CD-R archive where I'll likely never seen them again.
Now all I have to do is go out and get a new ribbon for this machine, and take it out somewhere to use for writing.
Most modern works of literature are typed that way. The 'word processor' is the bane of many writers. It's just too blamed easy to backspace good ideas away. Red pen in the margins of a manuscript, or a first draft, show the history of the creative process, and lets the writer look back on the whole effort.
Enough off topic on typewriters, though. My bosses boss is a pinball machine collector. There's something to be said for the mechanic/electrical coolness of having the real thing, silver balls and all. If I had the space to keep one, I would probably want to have one somewhere in my house as well.
Hold on a minute here. You're going to spread some sort of FUD that there are seven essential volumes, but you then subtly mention that you're talking about a Sybex (third-party publisher) guide? First you make it sound like there's a seven-volume set, then it comes out you're talking about third party publishers? Seems to me there are more than seven volumes, if we're going to drag in any book at all on for admining Windows.
BTW, there's a good rebate program on now for Windows 2000 'Resource Kit' books. I bought the 'Windows 2000 Professional Resource Kit' from Bookpool.com for $41.95. Microsoft has a $20 rebate for the Workstation ( $60 for Server) that whittled the price of that 1800 page monster down to $21.95 (cover price $69.99).
Your mistake is in assuming that the language spoken on the 'net is traditional English. We have evolved beyond that point. You are now acting as a force of reaction. Please desist.
People on the 'net speak a new language called Internet. It is still very early in the development of said language, and the embyronic language has, at this point, strong ties to English. As is true in the evolution of any language, there will be traditionalists, sometimes known as pedants, who try to hold back the evolution of the new language.
Some of the earliest features of this new language are detailed in a document known as the Jargon File. The Jargon File itself, though, even occasionally fills a role as a hold-back, trying to prevent the evolution of the language (i.e. traditionalists who insist that the meaning of the term hacker hasn't evolved to include usages with negative connotations).
As the new language evolves, it will gradually grow away from it's English roots. As the net continues to internationalize, people from other cultures who do not primarily speak English will find their place at the table and their jargon, phrases, and colloquialisms will find their way into the new language. The new language is NOT English, and people who try to insist it is English are sorely mistaken.
The only thing that is certain at this point is that there is no turning back. Reactionary forces, i.e. spelling pedants, have no place in the future, except to serve as examples to the schoolchildren of the future of lives which have gone bad.
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Bush can just fire their asses out of the DOJ.
Where I work we recently switched to Dell, away from Compaq. Compaq hardware is so damned proprietary, ya know. But we've got tons of Compaq stuff that we'll need to burn electricity in for years. Hell, we're still running OS/2 on some of it.
The CDDB linkage always makes me nervous. I've been recording a LOT of my vinyl collection to WAV and burning CD Audio disks. Every time I bring up the CD Player in W2K it asks (or it used to ask, before I went in and disabled it from doing so) if I wanted to look up the CD title. Obviously letting it do that would either:
1. Come up not knowing what CD I am playing
or
2. Summon down the enforcers on my townhouse. They'd discover I've dared lace together a network of boxes including the dastardly Linux and NetBSD, and they'd *sob* take away my Microsoft Preferred Customer status. They might even tell Apple one of their poor little SE/30's was being held hostage by NetBSD-68K.
Since I'm doing an analog-to-digital conversion, what I am doing is perfectly legal even if CD Ripping is found illegal at some point. But it still makes me nervous, and wondering if my identity would go on a list for further action.
Yes. I made the mistake a few years ago now of registering Real Player. I got Real Player Plus, and it has been nice that the serial number has thus far carried forward at least to 'G2' so that I can still get updates of what I paid for.
But the real reason I bought Plus was 'oooh! I get a record button with the Plus version.'
It's been useful one single time, and that was to grab a copy of a Legendary Pink Dots bootleg that I probably could have grabbed somehow else anyhow. (it's burned to CDAudio format now, in any case).
Almost no content providers, anywhere enable the record button in Real Player. I suspect it's the same with the Quicktime Player.
Hmmm, tons of comments, and nobody came up with anything essential unless you interpret essential as meaning 'essential now that you're stuck with Mac hardware.' O well.
Not just a floppy (don't make that mistake and allow Apple marketing people to preach about floppy obsolescence) There is no room for any form of writeable removable media. (say, a zip or LS-120 drive...)
There isn't even a SCSI jack on those things anymore, is there? I guess Apple assumes than nobody who buys an iMac will be generating anything on the machine that ever needs backing up or transfer to another machine. Is the iMac a glorified light bulb? Is the iMac customer buying an enhanced WebTV?
Actually Apple is more interested in developing fashionable 'industrial design' enclosures. It's an afterthought to put bays in the case for the equipment the customer wants (i.e. floppy drive, or alternately an LS-120 or Zip drive)
Some companies prefer to let the customer decide what is best (by including a bay for a removable media drive in their case designs).
Apple seemed like they were getting their sh*t together with OS-X. Then they pulled an iMac on us.
I mostly run vi on various embedded OS/2 machines at work, and from within telnet sessions to OS/2 development machines in the lab (from the Win 95 desktop my company pretty much requires me to use.) Heck, I can perform firmware builds on the OS/2 machine logged in to work from home and tweak the code using vi.
:-)
It's also nice that a vi variant is installed by default in all the freenixes. There's nothing like getting a new NetBSD box up and running, tweaking config files, setting up accounts and stuff, in a matter of minutes using vi and vipw. (my little Mac SE/30 box running NetBSD says hi to everyone, btw
vi is just plain cool.
If you want Exceed on an NT/W2K system, check out the more expensive version of Interix rather than buying Exceed alone. It's about the same amount of money, and you get a whole Posix subsystem to run on the NT Kernel, the GNU tools, GCC, Motif, etc. It's kind of a rush to build Motif Apps on NT and run them native, in parallel with Win32 apps on the same hardware (but in completely separate API subsystems). A lot of Unix/Linux/BSD apps just plain build and run on Interix right out of the source tarball. There is irony in running X apps on an NT box and displaying them on a Unix X desktop.
I'm not sure that since Microsoft bought Interix it consists of the same 'bundle' with Exceed as it was a year ago when I sprung the $300+ for a copy, but it's worth looking into, as you'll spend close to that for Exceed alone from Hummingbird.
The way that you casually switch between talking about Linux and Unix doubtless has more than a few of us disturbed. Please stop trying to leverage the years of Unix history and call it Linux history.
Unix's traditional domain? You mean those huge RS-232 networks of dumb terminals we finally were rid of in the late 80's at most progressive companies? Surely you're not going to claim the 'PC Revolution' happened merely so people could have screen savers on their desks....
Your anectodal evidence about 'time between' is a bit confusing. How much data have you collected? I can't imagine you use all OSes cited equally, and the same apps on each. It's unclear how many 'weeks' of data on Windows 2000 you've managed to log, for instance. I have come to believe that Netscape is one of the more crash prone apps on Linux because it's one of the most powerful Linux 'desktop' apps (aside from things like Mathematica, which are expen$ive enough that the developers wring out a lot of the bugs).
In the end, your numbers end up sounding like FUD.
Spreading rumors about which you have almost zero real experience is a common practice in the computer sphere. It even has a name, derived from the way that it inspires Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt in people not aware of the true motive of the speaker.
The development tools, right now today, are clearly superior to anything offered on any other platform.
Bzzzt! The Linux development tools are available on almost every other Freenix and/or commercial Unix out there. Many are ported to even Windows and OS/2.
You will also find a lot of developers who do not consider them 'superior to anything else', and I am not just talking about Visual Basic or Access 'developers.'
In many local economies, installing a white elephant like Linux at a company is an excellent way to 'screw your customers by getting 'em by the yang.' Where are they going to go for support? You of course. Because You are the leeto sysadmin.
Linux is excellent for locking down companies and keeping them dependent on your $upport. The heritage of the 'machine room' of times unknown (nobody allowed to touch the computer except specially paid men in white coats).
I remember a Xenix sysadmin at a company I worked at in the late 80s. People by that time had started migrating to Microsoft Word on PCs, and a secretary wanted a mouse so she could easily highlight and modify sections of text. 'Secretaries don't need a mouse' the admin ranted. He was already a little sour that people were moving away from using the 'Lyrix' word processor across an RS-232 line on dumb terminals. His power base was shrinking. He was still able to trap a certain number of people by making them run certain apps in VT-100 terminals on their PCs, but times were definitely a-changing.
If you think about it, for a book or any other copyrighted material you purchase, you acquire access to the "source."
I wasn't aware of that. Could you give me a little help, please? I've got this book I bought a copy of. I'd like your help in figuring out who I ask to get my own copies of the offset plates. I'm pretty sure it's not a hot-type book. I have a few older books as well, that are definitely 'hot type.' Could you help me head over to the publisher and lug all those platens of type out to my station wagon? I have a patch I want to apply to some of those books.
It's interesting to speculate what kind of 'bias' the folks on this forum would be ranting about if Microsoft bought a full page ad and the editors of the paper tucked a praiseful article in so conveniently.
Oh wait! Microsoft does that kind of thing!
Oh wait! You mean the commercial Linux vendors are headed down that path now??
Yep.
POSIX is the lowest-common-denominator that OSes have to measure up to.
Whatever. It's so 70's.
Have you hacked your termcap yet today?
Didn't you know?
That was just the excuse to go on a fishing expedition.
Micro$oft is a software company, not a book publisher, so they subcontract their documentation writing to specialized companies.
Umm, does anybody know which side of the company split Microsoft Press will be going with??
I know they let other publishers do some books and even get to carry a Windows logo. I also know MS publishes a lot of books themselves.
At least Sybex isn't as bad a publisher as Que...
Agreed. I just bought a small manual typewriter today at a garage sale. A nice newer Olivetti that cost me $5 (and I could have probably talked them down.
The concept of writing where it all lands right on the paper right in front of you is in a way refreshing. It's permanent right from the keystrokes. I can't count the number of 'journal entires' typed electronically that just disappear, or are lost in the recesses of a CD-R archive where I'll likely never seen them again.
Now all I have to do is go out and get a new ribbon for this machine, and take it out somewhere to use for writing.
Most modern works of literature are typed that way. The 'word processor' is the bane of many writers. It's just too blamed easy to backspace good ideas away. Red pen in the margins of a manuscript, or a first draft, show the history of the creative process, and lets the writer look back on the whole effort.
Enough off topic on typewriters, though. My bosses boss is a pinball machine collector. There's something to be said for the mechanic/electrical coolness of having the real thing, silver balls and all. If I had the space to keep one, I would probably want to have one somewhere in my house as well.
Hold on a minute here. You're going to spread some sort of FUD that there are seven essential volumes, but you then subtly mention that you're talking about a Sybex (third-party publisher) guide? First you make it sound like there's a seven-volume set, then it comes out you're talking about third party publishers? Seems to me there are more than seven volumes, if we're going to drag in any book at all on for admining Windows.
BTW, there's a good rebate program on now for Windows 2000 'Resource Kit' books. I bought the 'Windows 2000 Professional Resource Kit' from Bookpool.com for $41.95. Microsoft has a $20 rebate for the Workstation ( $60 for Server) that whittled the price of that 1800 page monster down to $21.95 (cover price $69.99).
The respondent clearly doesn't understand modern PC hardware (PCI, USB, AGP, Firewire, etc) if s/he is fretting about IRQ conflicts.
(or maybe s/he can't bear to give up some particular ancient crappy ISA card )
I peeked into that Debian list yesterday.
We can't let them get ahead of us! We must have the same flamefest here!
I'm assuming that, in part, is why it's been made a topic for us to discuss (***) here.
I, for the record, use Slackware and NetBSD, not Debian.
*** Flame fests bring in banner revenue, even if a bunch of ranting, bickering, and people just talking at one another does nothing productive.
Your mistake is in assuming that the language spoken on the 'net is traditional English. We have evolved beyond that point. You are now acting as a force of reaction. Please desist.
People on the 'net speak a new language called Internet. It is still very early in the development of said language, and the embyronic language has, at this point, strong ties to English. As is true in the evolution of any language, there will be traditionalists, sometimes known as pedants, who try to hold back the evolution of the new language.
Some of the earliest features of this new language are detailed in a document known as the Jargon File. The Jargon File itself, though, even occasionally fills a role as a hold-back, trying to prevent the evolution of the language (i.e. traditionalists who insist that the meaning of the term hacker hasn't evolved to include usages with negative connotations).
As the new language evolves, it will gradually grow away from it's English roots. As the net continues to internationalize, people from other cultures who do not primarily speak English will find their place at the table and their jargon, phrases, and colloquialisms will find their way into the new language. The new language is NOT English, and people who try to insist it is English are sorely mistaken.
The only thing that is certain at this point is that there is no turning back. Reactionary forces, i.e. spelling pedants, have no place in the future, except to serve as examples to the schoolchildren of the future of lives which have gone bad.