"No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider." It does not apply to federal criminal law, intellectual property law, and electronic communications privacy law.
CONTEXT KingMotley. "people are posting torrents to isohunt" is what the original poster claimed. Except that's wrong. You CAN'T post torrents to isohunt.
>>>IsoHunt willy facilitates copyright infringement a
WRONG. Isohunt doesn't distribute torrents./b> Why can't people pull their braisn out of their anuses, and WAKE UP? Isohunt.com is not a tracker. It used to be several years ago, but not anymore. Now they are identical to google - just providing links.
Arresting me because my search engine scours & provides links to piratebay.org, torrents.com, et cetera..... makes as little sense as arresting me because I possess photos of murder victims.
I didn't commit the crime. THEY committed the crime. I'm not liable for the acts of others.
Next I suppose you'll arrest google for providing links to child porn (nudist websites).
>>>We need copyright so we can have successful companies like and products like Canonical and Microsoft
"There is not, in nature, a right to protect your ideas from copying..... just as you may light your taper by my fire, without diminishing my heat, so may you copy my ideas without diminishing my use of my invention." - Thomas Jefferson, 1780s
(1) They shouldn't have modded you down to (0). Everyone, even idiots, are entitled to express an opinion.
>>>Google isn't solely made and used for distributing copyrighted content illegally. IsoHunt, as well as The Pirate Bay, is.
(2) Clearly you've never used isohunt. Isohunt doesn't distribute material. Nor *.tor files. It doesn't even provide a tracker! It's simply google with the "filetype torrent" tag.
Follow this line of reasoning Mr. Ebert (and any other skeptics): "Final Fantasy: Spirits Within was a movie. It was considered 'art' by many critics, but was the storyline any good? Most say it was dull and not worth a second viewing."
"Now consider Final Fantasy 10, a video game. Many claim this is not art, but what about the story? Was the story better than the movie? Of course it was. It was an amazing storyline, better than typical. ----- Therefore if a movie with a mediocre story is considered art, so too should a game with a superior story be considered art."
BTW: In the 1920s and 30s many critics also dismissed movies as "trash" rather than art. No doubt Ebert would vehemently disagree with those critics, and yet he's falling into the same trap of dismissing a technology just because it's new.
Sometimes it's more convenient to visit amazon.com and click "buy" then to search-around for a freebie pirated version. That's my motive when I buy rather than copy.
>>>Even with the blu-rays and DVD's I *can* buy, I'm stuck watching 5 or 6 forced trailers
I use the "fast play" button on my sony unit. It zips through the trailers at double speed. Might want to try that next time you play a Disc?
>>>I am selling an iPhone game at 0.99 $ and there's still people pirating it.
Good news! I'm neither buying nor pirating your game. Feel better? (wink) Some artists claim they just want their works to be seen --- if they gain fans along the way, and the fans are willing to pay, that's just an extra icing on the cake. This is why persons like James Patrick Kelly give away half of their creations, figuring the extra visibility will gain them a new fan (like me).
I use Internet Explorer with Netscape Dialup and their image compression/web accelerator software. It's a competent browser but lacks features I've fallen in love with, like Youtube-to-MP3 Converter, Noscript, Flash Video downloader, and online storage of bookmarks.
So I don't use IE 8 or 9 when I'm at home on the high speed line. I use Firefox or Opera.
>>>(it may be time-consuming, but is it really that expensive to fill out a form?)
It is when you are paying me $64 an hour, times 65 hours a week, times half a year (or more) doing this paperwork, plus tons of government audits. And no I don't have an answer.
I was just observing that it's cheaper overseas, and therefore that's where the work will move. I fully expect my job to be shipped to India by 2015, and then we'll just buy the final assembled product (like we do with iPhones, Cars) rather than build it ourselves.
It's nearly impossible to do anything (launch a rocket, build a car, build an airplane) in a low-cost fashion due to the regulations and massive amounts of paperwork the engineers have to fill out.
I know in my job I've become less of an engineer, and more of a Microsoft Word jockey typing tons and tons of redundant documents to reassure the Government that things are safe. But in Russia, ironically, they've eliminated that bureaucracy and can do things cheap. Ditto India and China.
What is needed is not to give-up the tool (cellphone, printing press) but limit the ability of government to abuse the tool by guaranteeing the right to use the tool Freely without restriction.
Governments should not be able to use Cellphone data unless first obtaining a warrant, and informing the person that the search has taken place. The EU has such a "law" codified in its Fundamental Rights document, and the US needs something similar but with stronger effect.
Lots of inventions have arrived too early (i.e. before it could be used) such that they saw no success. Like primitive steam engines in ancient Rome. That 1970s project with the plasma screens, et cetera sounds like an idea that came too soon, but still has value in a modern 2010s culture where everyone is connected.
Thomas Jefferson said the same thing almost 200 years ago. The US will be an example to the rest of the world of how a free people can prosper and enjoy life, and people around the globe will rise-up and throw-off their shackles.
The only part of the equation he was missing was the use of books, movies, and music as the enticement to make people say, "I want what the US has."
No.
An internet kill switch violates Amendments 1, 4, 5, 9, 10, and 14. Most importantly: 10. (Congress shall exercise no power not granted to it by the states.)
You overlooked Turkey which wants to become a State of the EU, and has to prove itself to be tolerant of other religions and basic human rights (as required by the Lisbon Treaty).
And YES I have a POTS modem, but it isn't much good without the internet. It would connect to my ISP and then have no website to access. And of course all the old BBSes I used to call directly have disappeared.
Some of the old Usenet and Fidonet newsgroup BBSes might still be alive, but I have no idea what their phone numbers are.
It's amazing how many of ye are anxious to give the central government virtually unlimited power. If sometime this year the Congress declares, "All lights shall be turned off from 9pm to 3am," you'll not only comply like a good kitchen slave beating the yard slaves to please the master, but also sit here and Defend this as "constitutional" even though it clearly is not.
The copyright clause gives Congress the right to prosecute copiers NOT to punish people for hacking into their own purchased property like cars, TVs, or whatever, and discovering the secret to their operation ("If your Ford computer refuses to recognize your key and locks you out, here's how you unlock the code and fix it."). That is how knowledge spreads. - "Grants of this sort can be justified in very peculiar cases only, if at all; the danger being very great that the good resulting from the operation of the monopoly, will be overbalanced by the evil effect of the precedent; and it being not impossible that the monopoly itself, in its original operation, may produce more evil than good."
"Stable ownership is the gift of social law, and is given late in the progress of society. It would be curious then, if an idea, the fugitive fermentation of an individual brain, could, of Natural Right, be claimed in exclusive and stable property. If Nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.
"Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by Nature when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density in any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in Nature, be a subject of property."
- Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, 1780s while drafting the Constitution
Why does it matter? It's not the job of the Central government to ration how much wheat you can grow on your OWN property. It is the job of the Member State Legislature (per the 10th).
About 5 years earlier the Supremes made a similar ruling, where they said the Congress has no authority to tell a chicken farmer how much he can charge his customers, since said farmer only sold locally to New Jersey residents. i.e. INTRAstate commerce does not fall under the Union government's jurisdiction.
âoeResolved, That the several States composing, the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their general government; but that, by a compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States, and of amendments thereto, they constituted a general government for special purposes â" delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving, each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government; --- and that whensoever the general government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force --- that to this compact each State acceded as a State, and is an integral part, its co-States forming, as to itself, the other party: --- that the government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers; --- but that, as in all other cases of compact among powers having no common judge, each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress.â - 1799
Thomas Jefferson and James Madison (both of whom were threatened by Dictator... I mean, President Adams with imprisonment for issuing this document).
>>>Want to regulate guns? Well sure, they might conceivably be sold across state lines.
Well here's some good news: The Supreme Court recently over-turned the Central Government's gun ban near schools. They said that calling it interstate commerce was a step too far, and that proper jurisdiction for local schools belongs to the Member State government, not the Congress.
Modification of your OWN property is not a crime. (Searches US Constitution.) I can not lay my hand on any part of this document which gives Congress the right to block you or Geohot from making mods.
On the contrary part 10 of the Bill of Rights reserves that power to the Member States of the union. And part 9 reserves to the People the right to make said modifications.
Slashdot Mirror
>>>section 230 thing.
"No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider." It does not apply to federal criminal law, intellectual property law, and electronic communications privacy law.
http://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/230
CONTEXT KingMotley. "people are posting torrents to isohunt" is what the original poster claimed. Except that's wrong. You CAN'T post torrents to isohunt.
Jeez.
>>>IsoHunt willy facilitates copyright infringement a
WRONG. Isohunt doesn't distribute torrents. /b> Why can't people pull their braisn out of their anuses, and WAKE UP? Isohunt.com is not a tracker. It used to be several years ago, but not anymore. Now they are identical to google - just providing links.
>>>some engines were created for torrents
Arresting me because my search engine scours & provides links to piratebay.org, torrents.com, et cetera..... makes as little sense as arresting me because I possess photos of murder victims.
I didn't commit the crime. THEY committed the crime. I'm not liable for the acts of others.
Next I suppose you'll arrest google for providing links to child porn (nudist websites).
>>>We need copyright so we can have successful companies like and products like Canonical and Microsoft
"There is not, in nature, a right to protect your ideas from copying..... just as you may light your taper by my fire, without diminishing my heat, so may you copy my ideas without diminishing my use of my invention." - Thomas Jefferson, 1780s
(1) They shouldn't have modded you down to (0). Everyone, even idiots, are entitled to express an opinion.
>>>Google isn't solely made and used for distributing copyrighted content illegally. IsoHunt, as well as The Pirate Bay, is.
(2) Clearly you've never used isohunt. Isohunt doesn't distribute material. Nor *.tor files. It doesn't even provide a tracker! It's simply google with the "filetype torrent" tag.
>>>It's like tuning a set of rabbit ears on an old television.
Old??? Hey! Some of us still use "rabbit ears" aka antennas, you insensitive clod!
I'm sick of him selling-out to these megacorps. Damn Republican. What we need is a Democrat president who is not a puppet of the corporations.
Some would choose Beneficent Serfdom (Score:-1) by commodore6502 (1981532)
MODDED "overrated"
No comprehende'. How can a message that is already a -1 score be overrated??? Maybe the moderator was trying to drop this post to a -2.
Follow this line of reasoning Mr. Ebert (and any other skeptics): "Final Fantasy: Spirits Within was a movie. It was considered 'art' by many critics, but was the storyline any good? Most say it was dull and not worth a second viewing."
"Now consider Final Fantasy 10, a video game. Many claim this is not art, but what about the story? Was the story better than the movie? Of course it was. It was an amazing storyline, better than typical. ----- Therefore if a movie with a mediocre story is considered art, so too should a game with a superior story be considered art."
BTW:
In the 1920s and 30s many critics also dismissed movies as "trash" rather than art. No doubt Ebert would vehemently disagree with those critics, and yet he's falling into the same trap of dismissing a technology just because it's new.
Sometimes it's more convenient to visit amazon.com and click "buy" then to search-around for a freebie pirated version. That's my motive when I buy rather than copy.
>>>Even with the blu-rays and DVD's I *can* buy, I'm stuck watching 5 or 6 forced trailers
I use the "fast play" button on my sony unit. It zips through the trailers at double speed. Might want to try that next time you play a Disc?
>>>I am selling an iPhone game at 0.99 $ and there's still people pirating it.
Good news!
I'm neither buying nor pirating your game.
Feel better? (wink) Some artists claim they just want their works to be seen --- if they gain fans along the way, and the fans are willing to pay, that's just an extra icing on the cake. This is why persons like James Patrick Kelly give away half of their creations, figuring the extra visibility will gain them a new fan (like me).
I use Internet Explorer with Netscape Dialup and their image compression/web accelerator software. It's a competent browser but lacks features I've fallen in love with, like Youtube-to-MP3 Converter, Noscript, Flash Video downloader, and online storage of bookmarks.
So I don't use IE 8 or 9 when I'm at home on the high speed line. I use Firefox or Opera.
>>>(it may be time-consuming, but is it really that expensive to fill out a form?)
It is when you are paying me $64 an hour, times 65 hours a week, times half a year (or more) doing this paperwork, plus tons of government audits. And no I don't have an answer.
I was just observing that it's cheaper overseas, and therefore that's where the work will move. I fully expect my job to be shipped to India by 2015, and then we'll just buy the final assembled product (like we do with iPhones, Cars) rather than build it ourselves.
>>>isn't this cheaper than we can do ourselves?
It's nearly impossible to do anything (launch a rocket, build a car, build an airplane) in a low-cost fashion due to the regulations and massive amounts of paperwork the engineers have to fill out.
I know in my job I've become less of an engineer, and more of a Microsoft Word jockey typing tons and tons of redundant documents to reassure the Government that things are safe. But in Russia, ironically, they've eliminated that bureaucracy and can do things cheap. Ditto India and China.
>>>They are so handy
What is needed is not to give-up the tool (cellphone, printing press) but limit the ability of government to abuse the tool by guaranteeing the right to use the tool Freely without restriction.
Governments should not be able to use Cellphone data unless first obtaining a warrant, and informing the person that the search has taken place. The EU has such a "law" codified in its Fundamental Rights document, and the US needs something similar but with stronger effect.
+1 insightful.
Lots of inventions have arrived too early (i.e. before it could be used) such that they saw no success. Like primitive steam engines in ancient Rome. That 1970s project with the plasma screens, et cetera sounds like an idea that came too soon, but still has value in a modern 2010s culture where everyone is connected.
Thomas Jefferson said the same thing almost 200 years ago. The US will be an example to the rest of the world of how a free people can prosper and enjoy life, and people around the globe will rise-up and throw-off their shackles.
The only part of the equation he was missing was the use of books, movies, and music as the enticement to make people say, "I want what the US has."
No.
An internet kill switch violates Amendments 1, 4, 5, 9, 10, and 14. Most importantly: 10. (Congress shall exercise no power not granted to it by the states.)
You overlooked Turkey which wants to become a State of the EU, and has to prove itself to be tolerant of other religions and basic human rights (as required by the Lisbon Treaty).
And YES I have a POTS modem, but it isn't much good without the internet. It would connect to my ISP and then have no website to access. And of course all the old BBSes I used to call directly have disappeared.
Some of the old Usenet and Fidonet newsgroup BBSes might still be alive, but I have no idea what their phone numbers are.
It's amazing how many of ye are anxious to give the central government virtually unlimited power. If sometime this year the Congress declares, "All lights shall be turned off from 9pm to 3am," you'll not only comply like a good kitchen slave beating the yard slaves to please the master, but also sit here and Defend this as "constitutional" even though it clearly is not.
The copyright clause gives Congress the right to prosecute copiers NOT to punish people for hacking into their own purchased property like cars, TVs, or whatever, and discovering the secret to their operation ("If your Ford computer refuses to recognize your key and locks you out, here's how you unlock the code and fix it."). That is how knowledge spreads. - "Grants of this sort can be justified in very peculiar cases only, if at all; the danger being very great that the good resulting from the operation of the monopoly, will be overbalanced by the evil effect of the precedent; and it being not impossible that the monopoly itself, in its original operation, may produce more evil than good."
"Stable ownership is the gift of social law, and is given late in the progress of society. It would be curious then, if an idea, the fugitive fermentation of an individual brain, could, of Natural Right, be claimed in exclusive and stable property. If Nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.
"Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by Nature when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density in any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in Nature, be a subject of property."
- Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, 1780s while drafting the Constitution
Why does it matter? It's not the job of the Central government to ration how much wheat you can grow on your OWN property. It is the job of the Member State Legislature (per the 10th).
About 5 years earlier the Supremes made a similar ruling, where they said the Congress has no authority to tell a chicken farmer how much he can charge his customers, since said farmer only sold locally to New Jersey residents. i.e. INTRAstate commerce does not fall under the Union government's jurisdiction.
âoeResolved, That the several States composing, the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their general government; but that, by a compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States, and of amendments thereto, they constituted a general government for special purposes â" delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving, each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government;
--- and that whensoever the general government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force
--- that to this compact each State acceded as a State, and is an integral part, its co-States forming, as to itself, the other party:
--- that the government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers;
--- but that, as in all other cases of compact among powers having no common judge, each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress.â - 1799
Thomas Jefferson and James Madison (both of whom were threatened by Dictator... I mean, President Adams with imprisonment for issuing this document).
>>>Want to regulate guns? Well sure, they might conceivably be sold across state lines.
Well here's some good news: The Supreme Court recently over-turned the Central Government's gun ban near schools. They said that calling it interstate commerce was a step too far, and that proper jurisdiction for local schools belongs to the Member State government, not the Congress.
>>>Yah, the Constitution doesn't mention bank robbery either, but I think we can both agree you'll go to prison for that.
That is a function of the STATE government not the central government, per the 10th amendment. It is the state that arrests & prosecutes you.
Modification of your OWN property is not a crime. (Searches US Constitution.) I can not lay my hand on any part of this document which gives Congress the right to block you or Geohot from making mods.
On the contrary part 10 of the Bill of Rights reserves that power to the Member States of the union. And part 9 reserves to the People the right to make said modifications.