>>>Why should the EU Commission take them up on that offer?
I told you why. (Do you not know how to read?) Extending the agreement & forcing Microsoft to display a browser choice screen for 20 years is a FAR worser punishment than letting them write a check & remove the choice screen in a mere 3 years. Clear?
>>>>>Unfortunately, the engineering team responsible for maintenance of this code did not realize that it needed to update the detection logic for the BCS software when Windows 7 SP1 was released last year. >> >>Sounds believable to me. A mammoth software company where the right hand might not know what the left hand is doing? Plausible, totally plausible.
About as plausble as Microsoft claiming they didn't mean to block DR-DOS from being installed on Win95 machines. (not.) Really: How can a programmer "forget" to include a whole program? As I said that would be equivalent to them forgetting to include Media Player for Win7 SP1 desktops... it just doesn't happen.
No I'm saying there's a problem with the LAW, because it's supposed to benefit the people but is instead harming the people, and only benefitting the corporations/CEOs/rich. Therefore the copyright law is unjust and should be abolished, because it's causing more harm than good. (Just as saner countries have abolished the death penalty from the law, because it caused more harm than good.)
Oh well. The ATT plan looks better than Verizon though, because if you're single you just play $40 a month. Verizon makes single persons pay the full $90 as if you were a full family.:-o
MY phone is VirginMobile. For $5/month I get 30 minutes which rollover. Right now I have somewhere around nine hours accumulated since my phone is mainly for emergencies or urgent calls. For internet I use my Kindle G3 which is slow but free.
>>>the Tea Party is pushing the governor to implement Nazi/Soviet/Insert Dictator Here, etc., style purges. Because gays, democrats, and non-christians are evil, or something.
I find this difficult to believe. If you had said *the Republicans or Democrats* then I could believe it, but the Tea Party was started by libertarian Ron Paul in 2007, and spunoff as a way to fight for liberty in 2009-10. Not against it. LINK please to backup your claim. Or else retract.
>>> Many leaders of [Tea Party, OWS, and the Ron Paul followers] have been jailed, detained.....
When did this supposedly happen? I'm aware of the Occupy people being jailed, because they were vandalizing property (see the broken windows in Oakland, and feces found in churches/along sidewalks) but not about Tea Party or Paulbots in jail or detained?
>>>Tyranny is a very short step away from where we are now
I've said the same thing on my facebook, but 99% of the responders tell me I'm nuts. For example they defend the Obamacare Mandate saying it's "reasonable" and that TSA employees are just doing their job. ("Would you rather be blown up?") That when I was pulled-over in Texas by DHS, I should have left the police look inside my trunk, instead of saying no/no/no for an hour. ("If you've done nothing wrong, what do you have to hide?") Perhaps I am wrong and the government really isn't heading towards tyranny.
I have an anonymous coward saying one thing, and Mozilla saying something else. I think I'll side with Mozilla and ignore the Asshole Coward: "Q: Will this be yet another platform for developers to code for?
"A: No; the project is extending what developers can do with the Web, especially in the context of mobile devices, and to do so in a way that leads to interoperable standards. Just as with HTML5, ES5, CSS3 and other Web technology it will reach different browsers and operating systems at different times, but the pace of Web platform development gives us confidence that good Web technology can reach a lot of people pretty quickly.
"We don't want this work to lead to applications that only run atop one platform, or only run in Firefox. That's an important difference between what we're doing and proprietary mobile stacks today: we don't seek a competitive advantage for Mozilla, we seek a competitive advantage for the Web." http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/b2g/
>>>while I'm not sold on the idea that we need another phone OS
A lot of people seem to think Mozilla is trying to replace or compete with iOS and Android. Not the case. QUOTE: "The Firefox OS for mobile devices is built on Mozillaâ(TM)s 'Boot to Gecko project' which unlocks many of the current limitations of web development on mobile, allowing HTML5 applications to access the underlying capabilities of a phone, previously only available to native applications..... Due to the optimization of the platform for entry-level smartphones and the removal of unnecessary middleware layers, mobile operators will have the ability to offer richer experiences at a range of price points including at the low end of the smartphone price range, helping to drive adoption across developing markets."
"We believe the Web is the platform. Ideally, the technology pioneered or refined in the Boot to Gecko project will make its way into all mobile browsers, so that enhanced Web applications can be great regardless of operating system or device...... This is not going to be yet another platform for developers to code for. The project is extending what developers can do with the Web, especially in the context of mobile devices, and to do so in a way that leads to interoperable standards.
"Just as with HTML5, ES5, CSS3 and other Web technology it will reach different browsers and operating systems at different times, but the pace of Web platform development gives us confidence that good Web technology can reach a lot of people pretty quickly. We donâ(TM)t want this work to lead to applications that only run atop one platform, or only run in Firefox. Thatâ(TM)s an important difference between what weâ(TM)re doing and proprietary mobile stacks today: we donâ(TM)t seek a competitive advantage for Mozilla, we seek a competitive advantage for the Web."
Firefox isn't meant to replace iOS or Android (as you would know if you read mozilla's website). It's simply an option for users to run their software *inside* the browser using HTML5, rather than a separate app.
No. The point of Firefox "OS" is to use the web browser to run software out of the cloud (the internet). Netscape Communicator didn't do anything like that.
Also I wouldn't call Netscape's integration of email, web, groups, composer into one package a failure. It still lives on as Mozilla seaMonkey. The browser from Opera also offers the all-in-one experience. Both have been successful over the last 10+ years.
>>>iOS doesn't run on computers it runs on phones and tablets
Today's phones and tablets are computers. Small, slow, and with limited memory but still a computer. Certainly more powerful than the 64 kilobyte or 1 megabyte Commodores and Amigas I used back in the day to write reports, listen to music, and crunch lab data. (If you disagree then please explain how a phone or tablet is not a computer, even though they have more power than my old C64 and A500.)
>>>This example doesn't really exlcaim "IP is bad for everybody!"
Yeah it does. It shows how the law is used for the benefit of the rich, not the people it supposedly protects. WE steal money, we get punished. MF's Jon Corzine steals money, he gets called "the honorable" in Congress and that's about it. RIAA/MPAA get caught pirating songs and selling them to the tune of 1.5 billion dollars, but nothing happens. WE do that and we get hit with multimillion dollar fines that make us lifelong wage slaves (see Jamie Thomas).
Ultimately We the People would be better off without these laws, since they don't benefit us. They only benefit the fucking rich (corporations/CEOs) and/or the well-connected (politicians and polticians' friends).
Rather than fine Microsoft 7 billion dollars or whatever, I hope the EU takes them up on their offer to extend the browser choice screen a few more years. Like 20 in total (2009-2029).
When I installed Puppy GNULinux the first thing it asked when I clicked on internet was, "Which browser do you wish to use?" It then downloaded and installed my choice. It really should be standard setup on all OSes, but especially Microsoft's monopoly PC-OS, to let the USER decide what he wants as his/her default web browser.
Yes I know Mini is not a "real browser", but that doesn't negate my point. Apple had to *approve* Opera Mini for distribution to iOS devices first, and they knew if they did not allow it, then Opera would likely sue them just as Opera sued Microsoft.
Clear? Or do I need to repeat myself a third time before you'll finally READ what I wrote and UNDERSTAND what you read?
>>>If you fine a company because of a bug in their software this is really not understanding how software development works.
This isn't a bug. This is leaving-out the installation of a distinct piece of software: the browser select program. It would be equivalent to if Microsoft "forgot" to include Windows Media Player for new Win7 PCs. (Which never happens.)
It may have been a mistake due to incompetence, but more likely it was down on purpose. Microsoft is only admitting it now because they were caught, else we'd not hear about it.
You must live in a shitty town, because instead of just ONE phone company for everything, I can choose between ~50 local carriers and ~20 long distance carriers. I call that an improvement, so the breakup of the monopoly was worthwhile.
>>>The choice people have now regarding browsers could be argued is a result of this litigation by the EU.
Doubtful. Interner Explorer share had been eroding for almost 10 years. By the time the browser choice screen started appearing on EU screens, Explorer share had already fallen below 50%. The browser choice screen was not needed since the free market (especially Google and Mozilla) had already erased Microsoft's dominance with IE.
Yet another example of where government interference was not needed, because the market (meaning the People) is self-correcting and will not tolerate a monopoly for long. Over time it erodes and disappears.
Well..... why do you think Apple approved Opera Mini for use on their iOS devices? I'm sure they were very aware that it was Opera who sued Microsoft (and won), and if Apple turned them down then Opera would sue Apple next for abuse of their dominant cellphone position.
" 'we learned recently that weâ(TM)ve missed serving the BCS software to the roughly 28 million PCs running Windows 7 SP1.' Microsoft says it started distributing the BCS software to Windows 7 SP1 machines on 3 July, a couple of business days after discovering the problem."
If the users have already turned-on their new machines, then they are already PAST the browser choice screen. It is pointless to install it after the fact and Microsoft is in violation of the terms of the lawsuit. Furthermore does anyone really believe it was a "mistake"? Last time I told a cop I made a mistake and thought the green left arrow w/ red stoplight meant "go" instead of stop, he just laughed and gave me a ticket. There's really no room to let Microsoft go, else it sets the precedent that criminals can just say "ooops I made a mistake" and be left free to go.
RIM probably has a record of all email the last 2-3 months. A judge could get them with a warrant.
I'm surprised the FOIA applies to state governments. They are independent governments from the U.S. government, and thus U.S. law only applies to U.S. government and interstate transaction. Not internal state government affairs.
>>>Are you saying you think your parents should have kept to their problem-free lives and never procreated?
In the case of MY parents..... yes they never should have been married. My dad's the type who doesn't get along with other people. Ever. And then he abuses them emotionally day after day (and sometimes physically). They should have Same applies to my brother. My niece. My Japanese friend.
My divorced coworker. My friend who was engaged for 3 years but never married (she cheated on him). And on and on. Better to stay single & happy rather than married & miserable.
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>>>Why should the EU Commission take them up on that offer?
I told you why. (Do you not know how to read?) Extending the agreement & forcing Microsoft to display a browser choice screen for 20 years is a FAR worser punishment than letting them write a check & remove the choice screen in a mere 3 years. Clear?
>>>>>Unfortunately, the engineering team responsible for maintenance of this code did not realize that it needed to update the detection logic for the BCS software when Windows 7 SP1 was released last year.
>>
>>Sounds believable to me. A mammoth software company where the right hand might not know what the left hand is doing? Plausible, totally plausible.
About as plausble as Microsoft claiming they didn't mean to block DR-DOS from being installed on Win95 machines. (not.) Really: How can a programmer "forget" to include a whole program? As I said that would be equivalent to them forgetting to include Media Player for Win7 SP1 desktops... it just doesn't happen.
No I'm saying there's a problem with the LAW, because it's supposed to benefit the people but is instead harming the people, and only benefitting the corporations/CEOs/rich. Therefore the copyright law is unjust and should be abolished, because it's causing more harm than good. (Just as saner countries have abolished the death penalty from the law, because it caused more harm than good.)
Oh well. :-o
The ATT plan looks better than Verizon though, because if you're single you just play $40 a month. Verizon makes single persons pay the full $90 as if you were a full family.
MY phone is VirginMobile. For $5/month I get 30 minutes which rollover. Right now I have somewhere around nine hours accumulated since my phone is mainly for emergencies or urgent calls. For internet I use my Kindle G3 which is slow but free.
>>>the Tea Party is pushing the governor to implement Nazi/Soviet/Insert Dictator Here, etc., style purges. Because gays, democrats, and non-christians are evil, or something.
I find this difficult to believe. If you had said *the Republicans or Democrats* then I could believe it, but the Tea Party was started by libertarian Ron Paul in 2007, and spunoff as a way to fight for liberty in 2009-10. Not against it. LINK please to backup your claim. Or else retract.
>>> Many leaders of [Tea Party, OWS, and the Ron Paul followers] have been jailed, detained.....
When did this supposedly happen? I'm aware of the Occupy people being jailed, because they were vandalizing property (see the broken windows in Oakland, and feces found in churches/along sidewalks) but not about Tea Party or Paulbots in jail or detained?
>>>Tyranny is a very short step away from where we are now
I've said the same thing on my facebook, but 99% of the responders tell me I'm nuts. For example they defend the Obamacare Mandate saying it's "reasonable" and that TSA employees are just doing their job. ("Would you rather be blown up?") That when I was pulled-over in Texas by DHS, I should have left the police look inside my trunk, instead of saying no/no/no for an hour. ("If you've done nothing wrong, what do you have to hide?") Perhaps I am wrong and the government really isn't heading towards tyranny.
That would have been nice to include, since it's an "RT interview"
>>>Firefox OS (neé Boot2Gecko) is a complete operating system
I have an anonymous coward saying one thing, and Mozilla saying something else. I think I'll side with Mozilla and ignore the Asshole Coward: "Q: Will this be yet another platform for developers to code for?
"A: No; the project is extending what developers can do with the Web, especially in the context of mobile devices, and to do so in a way that leads to interoperable standards. Just as with HTML5, ES5, CSS3 and other Web technology it will reach different browsers and operating systems at different times, but the pace of Web platform development gives us confidence that good Web technology can reach a lot of people pretty quickly.
"We don't want this work to lead to applications that only run atop one platform, or only run in Firefox. That's an important difference between what we're doing and proprietary mobile stacks today: we don't seek a competitive advantage for Mozilla, we seek a competitive advantage for the Web." http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/b2g/
>>>while I'm not sold on the idea that we need another phone OS
A lot of people seem to think Mozilla is trying to replace or compete with iOS and Android. Not the case. QUOTE: "The Firefox OS for mobile devices is built on Mozillaâ(TM)s 'Boot to Gecko project' which unlocks many of the current limitations of web development on mobile, allowing HTML5 applications to access the underlying capabilities of a phone, previously only available to native applications..... Due to the optimization of the platform for entry-level smartphones and the removal of unnecessary middleware layers, mobile operators will have the ability to offer richer experiences at a range of price points including at the low end of the smartphone price range, helping to drive adoption across developing markets."
"We believe the Web is the platform. Ideally, the technology pioneered or refined in the Boot to Gecko project will make its way into all mobile browsers, so that enhanced Web applications can be great regardless of operating system or device...... This is not going to be yet another platform for developers to code for. The project is extending what developers can do with the Web, especially in the context of mobile devices, and to do so in a way that leads to interoperable standards.
"Just as with HTML5, ES5, CSS3 and other Web technology it will reach different browsers and operating systems at different times, but the pace of Web platform development gives us confidence that good Web technology can reach a lot of people pretty quickly. We donâ(TM)t want this work to lead to applications that only run atop one platform, or only run in Firefox. Thatâ(TM)s an important difference between what weâ(TM)re doing and proprietary mobile stacks today: we donâ(TM)t seek a competitive advantage for Mozilla, we seek a competitive advantage for the Web."
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/b2g/
Firefox isn't meant to replace iOS or Android (as you would know if you read mozilla's website). It's simply an option for users to run their software *inside* the browser using HTML5, rather than a separate app.
No. The point of Firefox "OS" is to use the web browser to run software out of the cloud (the internet). Netscape Communicator didn't do anything like that.
Also I wouldn't call Netscape's integration of email, web, groups, composer into one package a failure. It still lives on as Mozilla seaMonkey. The browser from Opera also offers the all-in-one experience. Both have been successful over the last 10+ years.
Those Lilliputians are really useful in the lab for crawling inside my devices and debugging those teeny-tiny parts.
>>>iOS doesn't run on computers it runs on phones and tablets
Today's phones and tablets are computers. Small, slow, and with limited memory but still a computer. Certainly more powerful than the 64 kilobyte or 1 megabyte Commodores and Amigas I used back in the day to write reports, listen to music, and crunch lab data. (If you disagree then please explain how a phone or tablet is not a computer, even though they have more power than my old C64 and A500.)
>>>This example doesn't really exlcaim "IP is bad for everybody!"
Yeah it does. It shows how the law is used for the benefit of the rich, not the people it supposedly protects. WE steal money, we get punished. MF's Jon Corzine steals money, he gets called "the honorable" in Congress and that's about it. RIAA/MPAA get caught pirating songs and selling them to the tune of 1.5 billion dollars, but nothing happens. WE do that and we get hit with multimillion dollar fines that make us lifelong wage slaves (see Jamie Thomas).
Ultimately We the People would be better off without these laws, since they don't benefit us. They only benefit the fucking rich (corporations/CEOs) and/or the well-connected (politicians and polticians' friends).
Rather than fine Microsoft 7 billion dollars or whatever, I hope the EU takes them up on their offer to extend the browser choice screen a few more years. Like 20 in total (2009-2029).
When I installed Puppy GNULinux the first thing it asked when I clicked on internet was, "Which browser do you wish to use?" It then downloaded and installed my choice. It really should be standard setup on all OSes, but especially Microsoft's monopoly PC-OS, to let the USER decide what he wants as his/her default web browser.
Yes I know Mini is not a "real browser", but that doesn't negate my point. Apple had to *approve* Opera Mini for distribution to iOS devices first, and they knew if they did not allow it, then Opera would likely sue them just as Opera sued Microsoft.
Clear? Or do I need to repeat myself a third time before you'll finally READ what I wrote and UNDERSTAND what you read?
>>>If you fine a company because of a bug in their software this is really not understanding how software development works.
This isn't a bug. This is leaving-out the installation of a distinct piece of software: the browser select program. It would be equivalent to if Microsoft "forgot" to include Windows Media Player for new Win7 PCs. (Which never happens.)
It may have been a mistake due to incompetence, but more likely it was down on purpose. Microsoft is only admitting it now because they were caught, else we'd not hear about it.
You must live in a shitty town, because instead of just ONE phone company for everything, I can choose between ~50 local carriers and ~20 long distance carriers. I call that an improvement, so the breakup of the monopoly was worthwhile.
(young person asks)
Who's Ham Burger?
Where's Perry Mason?
What is this guy is talking about?
>>>The choice people have now regarding browsers could be argued is a result of this litigation by the EU.
Doubtful. Interner Explorer share had been eroding for almost 10 years. By the time the browser choice screen started appearing on EU screens, Explorer share had already fallen below 50%. The browser choice screen was not needed since the free market (especially Google and Mozilla) had already erased Microsoft's dominance with IE.
Yet another example of where government interference was not needed, because the market (meaning the People) is self-correcting and will not tolerate a monopoly for long. Over time it erodes and disappears.
Well..... why do you think Apple approved Opera Mini for use on their iOS devices? I'm sure they were very aware that it was Opera who sued Microsoft (and won), and if Apple turned them down then Opera would sue Apple next for abuse of their dominant cellphone position.
" 'we learned recently that weâ(TM)ve missed serving the BCS software to the roughly 28 million PCs running Windows 7 SP1.' Microsoft says it started distributing the BCS software to Windows 7 SP1 machines on 3 July, a couple of business days after discovering the problem."
If the users have already turned-on their new machines, then they are already PAST the browser choice screen. It is pointless to install it after the fact and Microsoft is in violation of the terms of the lawsuit. Furthermore does anyone really believe it was a "mistake"? Last time I told a cop I made a mistake and thought the green left arrow w/ red stoplight meant "go" instead of stop, he just laughed and gave me a ticket. There's really no room to let Microsoft go, else it sets the precedent that criminals can just say "ooops I made a mistake" and be left free to go.
Like what happened with AT&T.
RIM probably has a record of all email the last 2-3 months. A judge could get them with a warrant.
I'm surprised the FOIA applies to state governments. They are independent governments from the U.S. government, and thus U.S. law only applies to U.S. government and interstate transaction. Not internal state government affairs.
>>>Are you saying you think your parents should have kept to their problem-free lives and never procreated?
In the case of MY parents..... yes they never should have been married. My dad's the type who doesn't get along with other people. Ever. And then he abuses them emotionally day after day (and sometimes physically). They should have
Same applies to my brother. My niece. My Japanese friend.
My divorced coworker. My friend who was engaged for 3 years but never married (she cheated on him). And on and on. Better to stay single & happy rather than married & miserable.