Uhm.. why couldn't one intercept that lone photon, send a copy to the attacker, then retransmit it at the other end ? How can the receiving end tell that its communication has been intercepted ? Data is data.. if I intercept your phone or data lines, but make sure the forwarded signal is identical to the original, you have no information upon which to detect my presence. It's a classic black box scenario.
I'd actually like one of these for just goofing around, keep it beside the couch for IMDB lookups and queuing tunes on the jukebox. I still think it's kind of dumb to have those tiny keyboards with what looks like rubber buttons. I think I'd rather use an on-screen keyboard with one hand, or even a stylus. I used to be a speed freak with the on-screen keyboard on my old Palmpilot:)
Sorry to nitpick, but Microsoft didn't exactly squash Wordperfect, really it's Corel that went to the dogs ever since Cowpland left. Wordperfect in 1998 did things that Word still sucks at today, but in these 8 years they haven't made any significant improvements. They just bump up the version number, spiff up some UI elements and resell the same old crap for another 100$ bill.
Okay, so who's the defense attorney for the tanning beds ? Seriously, this is exactly the kind of legal abuse that needs to be stopped. Court is not about getting a judge to choose whether your beliefs are right or wrong. Court is about protecting a victim and punishing its wrongdoer. Joe Random Lawyer suing someone who is not a creator or distributor of child porn, awarding damages to who ? The law firm of course.. not the victims. If Google is evil for profitting from these web sites, then Joe Lawyer is even worse for profitting from the sensationalism surrounding child pornography. They are no different. Neither of them is helping to resolve the essential problem of child abuse.
I think everyone here who has a programming degree is rolling their eyes. This is a no-brainer:
1. Find and hire a young CS student 2. Pay them well for the summer 3. Discuss exactly what you want the software to do for you 4. Watch the kid build it in record time before your eyes 5. Give them a 1000$ bonus in the end and enjoy the app.
Seriously, this sort of app is the every programming student's first major project. Most "custom business solutions" are basically the exact same thing, but with a glorified interface and extensive, bullshit-ridden documentation to please the bean counters. Let's face it, at least 75% of "business solutions" involve storing all your customer/product/service/billing data and retrieving it later as you need it, then running stats on the aggregate data to help streamling your business processes. It's all just a database with input dialogs and reporting facilities.
I used to love that kind of idiot. When I was working retail, there was a 30$ assembly charge for any PC, big or small. A lot of the white-trash movie-copying crowd were so cheap they'd take their 199$ PC in parts and build it themselves. A lot of them came back the next day with an improperly mounted and very dead board. I had one guy who left the CPU fan unplugged "because it was too noisy", then accused me of selling him an overclocked CPU "because only overclocked chips overheat". I took his invoice, wrote "CPU improperly installed by user" in big red letters, kindly dialed Intel's customer service and handed him the phone.
I think Walmart should stay the hell away from computers. They've already destroyed countless suppliers in other markets, that were much stronger business than any asian budget-brand PC supplier. Hell, most of those companies can't even afford basic quality control practices.
Silly yes, in an impressionist kind of way. Excluding the A.I., pretty much everything in the movie was feasible at the time. Today, we could probably code up a convincing replica of "Edgar". Hell, some unenlightened kid has probably already done it as their thesis or something.
Back in my day, we called it "email tech support". It's the one thing they haven't oursourced yet because there are so many stupid people in north america; ping times to and from the mail servers become relevant.
luser: "I cant find gay interracial midget porn on Kazaa so I wanna cancel my fawking dsl"
techie: [click][drag][click] "Thank you for contacting FOAD Technical Support... blah form letter blah... we value your patronage and hope we have resolved this issue to your satisfaction."
Lather, rinse, repeat. Why do you think they invented form letters in the first place ?
If you mean the idiots who advertise "OEM" software in my inbox sixty times a day, then yes I'm sure there's a sizable bunch of imbeciles who actually fall for the warez scam and pay up. Hell, sometimes I'd want to move to some ghetto country and "resurrect" my tech career by becoming a pirate, because it seems those crooks are much less depressed than us jobless developers.
These guys hide behind legal loopholes and fickle countries who ignore copyright, some nations are even hostile about it and will countersue the copyright holders. The only way to stop warez/spam or any other illegal online activity is to have a target in a country that's legally accessible, whether it's a site owner, admin, host.. any link in the chain. If the scammers know their way around the system though, there's nothing we can do to stop them, short of carpet-bombing the entire planet.
While I'm still not interested in buying a PSP.. mostly because of its emphasis on PSX remakes I've already played to death.. I have to tip my hat to Konami for reviving the original Silent Hill. They're doing very well with this franchise and I applaud them. I enjoyed the movie despite the fact they changed a few names and had the mother take the lead role, but overall it stayed amazingly faithful to the game's story and even mimicked many scenes from the game, right down to the camera angles and of course the chilling music. Seeing the movie and how thrilled I was about it, made my girlfriend task me with playing through all three Silent Hill games ("The Room" is not canon).. and the bloody hell of emulating the original PSX game on my PC.. the others have native PC versions thank god. I'm halfway through the first and it's amazing how such a crappy platform could deliver an intangibly chilling experience. I remember being creeped out after a few hours of playing, even though the game has a very slow pace it just gets under your skin.
I'm very curious to see how they will translate this classic to the PSP. I tend to think of portable games as little ditties you can pick up for a few minutes at a time, like puzzle games or other granular titles like racing or sports. Silent Hill was more about the experience and getting into hour-long problem-solving sessions.. and the dreaded save points that were few and far-between. I don't doubt Konami's skill but it will be interesting to see how they adapt their franchise.
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The kicker is that organized crime has little to do with it. It's not like you walk up to a guy in a dark alley with a business plan and product briefs for gadgets. These are often semi-legitimate companies that go rotten after a few years of lackluster success. One such market I'm very comfortable with is the booming FTA satellite receiver business. One particular company has had their receivers cloned like no other, looking and functioning almost identical to the original, except the software/firmware is incompatible. The beauty of this scheme is that you won't know you've been shafted until you go to update your firmware and end up bricking your receiver.
This company had a legitimate product at first, but they were jealous of their competitor's success and decided to clone the Pansat model. Since these are asian companies mostly dealing with american distributors (most of whom are sketchy affairs to begin with), it's really easy to fool the distributors which results in mass confusion. It wasn't until some crafty folks started ripping their dead machines apart that they figured out what had happened. If only the clone had been compatible with official firmware they might have gone undetected for years.
True, but is the greatly increased cost of big-iron terminal servers justified by the savings in support fees ? Seems like you'd have to have a pretty big organisation to save enough, but then you'll be spending even more on the server every time you cross a scalability speedbump (like spilling into a new blade rack).
That's why for years I made good money dubbing old VHS tapes to DVD with clever video processing. Heck if MGM were to mail me a duplication master of the title you mentioned, I'd cut up a DVD for peanuts. Anyone can do it these days.
Okay so you're not refuting my point: it's just as "easy" to get a 1080p HD transfer than it is to get a nasty 240x486 VHS, as in you don't need to make a whole new movie. Hell, these days you could just digitize it once in 1080p for the HD crowd, software downsample to DVD rez, then analog-out to a VHS deck. The cost differences to manufacture these formats are negligible considering the volume. In fact VHS is probably more costly because of the copy time involved, while you can press a disc in just a few seconds.
In theory, it should be legal to exchange a VHS for a DVD of the same film, or at least a DVD to an HD-DVD at minimal cost. The content is the same, just better suited to high-end playback equipment. It came from the same source, and the media conglomerates try to convince us we're merely licensing the content.. so the medium shouldn't matter any more, right ?
I'd much rather have a free-for-all without patents. Nowadays developing a new product is like running naked through a minefield. Screw that, let the customers choose the winner, as it should be.
Yeah buddy I use Gentoo on a daily basis and I know exactly what you're saying. It IS kinda dumb that Windows doesn't offer easy resizing like that, but tough. Linux console resizing has its own string of glitches, often times you have to kill whatever's running in that box and relaunch it, because the average linux teen hacker is "too leet" to implement proper Curses polling.
Tell you what: you get every single linux developer on the planet to clean up their code, and I'll get Bill Gates to personally fix the CMD resizing. Deal ?
In my book, that's a valid reason to waive the "don't hit girls" rule temporarily, but preferably find something far more punishing and humiliating to do that doesn't necessarily involve physical violence.
Ahh what the heck, smack her before she turns it into a career. How many people have lived off the constant stream of civil lawsuits ? Too f'ing many.
I stand up yes.. I stand up and leave! Money is meant to flow, it's like electricity it doesn't mean squat unless it's moving somewhere. I simply refuse to work for less than my true worth. It just turns out that there are some employers out there who treat their staff like gold and will commit to you if you commit to the company. Unfortunately most of them aren't high-tech. The problem with our industry is that many of the bosses are geeks and faux-geeks (I call them bubble-riders). Most of these people suck at management and don't know how to run a business. Get someone who actually held a real job back before the dot-com age, one who knows what job security means, one who has seen companies grow not because they had low wages and high profits, but because their workers made it happen out of sheer dedication.
There will always be screwups in the business world, that's just a statistical fact. We have to make sure those screwups remain a minority and don't take over.
Sure you can do that, along with everyone else who thinks like you. Right now I'm getting tons of requests for late Athlon XP and Sempron chips, for those who are trying to upgrade their aging Socket-A rigs. The zinger is that a brand new Athlon XP 3200, *IF* you can find them, sells for 140$. A brand new Athlon64 3500 costs the same thing. I think I'd take the 64 over the XP myself, so what if I have to get a new board ? They're cheap now, and I can sell the old board to the same bunch of tinkerers. Heck, most of my leftovers are too high-end for the used market, they're living in the past!
The real kicker won't be the next socket transition. Just wait until Vista ships, or whatever sensational software lands and urges all these peons to upgrade. That's when you'll see chaos in the upgrade market.
That's unfortunate about the QC issues, I hadn't heard of it until now. The upside is that Antec offers unparalleled warranty service so if you were unfortunate enough to get a warped case, they will exchange it immediately.
Hell, just having the 3 year warranty on a power supply is a godsend.
There are (at least) three ways to do what you want. One is to get a cheap multitrack recorder, then manually transfer pairs of tracks to your PC. If you look hard enough, you can find a used multitrack for 300$ or so, or maybe just rent one for the weekend if you're really strapped for cash.
You can also get a cheap PCI sound card like a M-Audio Delta 1010LT, but then you'll need lots of mic preamps because it only comes with 2 mic inputs, the other 6 are just crappy old RCA. The card is 250, the preamps will run you at least 50 each so total cost is around 550$.
The 21st century way is to blow around 1500$ and get an M-Audio Firewire 1814 interface and an Octane 8-way preamp. The beauty of this system is you get ADAT Lightpipe support so you can grow your studio without replacing the PC interface. You will end up with 10 mic inputs, 8 1/4" inputs (guitars, synths, drum machines), four 1/4" outs and a few digital outs.
Note that I mentioned M-Audio.. I'm not trying to start any holy wars here, feel free to substitute your favorite brand. I know M-Audio, I just don't know the other companies well enough to make recommendations.
Don't we already ping-pong back and forth between workstations and thin clients every few years ? Whether it's terminal servers, Citrix or just plain old RDP; there's always someone migrating TO it, and someone else migrating away.
The average office PC has reached ridiculously low prices, is there really that much more we can squeeze out of it by making it a graphical dumb terminal ?
Whoa there sonny! The reason companies get away with this is because of attitudes like yours. When I was in school (which wasn't so long ago, but they were very good schools), we were taught not to look for work, but to "offer our services". Sure, I need money to eat, but the company needs workers to make money so their owners/shareholders can eat (and hire hookers, and drive f'ing Audis like assholes in traffic...) The company cannot survive without employees, but I can survive without the company and take my resourceful self somewhere else.
What I mean is: if companies force their employees to get chipped, and we as intelligent and self-respecting humans refuse to undergo that procedure, we can simply refuse to work for those employers. We can work elsewhere. We can even "not work". Seriously, if it gets to a point where 90% of employers insist on RFID tagging their staff, we can cross our arms and tell them to piss off, then watch them dwindle into misery and desperation. They will be forced to make an easy decision: What's more important, ID chips or PROFIT ? Very easy decision.
The only reason society sort-of works is because we mostly all play by the same rules. If those rules are suddenly not sustainable, we'll just change the rules. We buy things because that's how it works right now. If employment doesn't work anymore in 50 years we'll come up with a better plan if we need to.
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Uhm.. why couldn't one intercept that lone photon, send a copy to the attacker, then retransmit it at the other end ? How can the receiving end tell that its communication has been intercepted ? Data is data.. if I intercept your phone or data lines, but make sure the forwarded signal is identical to the original, you have no information upon which to detect my presence. It's a classic black box scenario.
I'd actually like one of these for just goofing around, keep it beside the couch for IMDB lookups and queuing tunes on the jukebox. I still think it's kind of dumb to have those tiny keyboards with what looks like rubber buttons. I think I'd rather use an on-screen keyboard with one hand, or even a stylus. I used to be a speed freak with the on-screen keyboard on my old Palmpilot :)
Sorry to nitpick, but Microsoft didn't exactly squash Wordperfect, really it's Corel that went to the dogs ever since Cowpland left. Wordperfect in 1998 did things that Word still sucks at today, but in these 8 years they haven't made any significant improvements. They just bump up the version number, spiff up some UI elements and resell the same old crap for another 100$ bill.
"protect teenagers from tanning beds"
Okay, so who's the defense attorney for the tanning beds ? Seriously, this is exactly the kind of legal abuse that needs to be stopped. Court is not about getting a judge to choose whether your beliefs are right or wrong. Court is about protecting a victim and punishing its wrongdoer. Joe Random Lawyer suing someone who is not a creator or distributor of child porn, awarding damages to who ? The law firm of course.. not the victims. If Google is evil for profitting from these web sites, then Joe Lawyer is even worse for profitting from the sensationalism surrounding child pornography. They are no different. Neither of them is helping to resolve the essential problem of child abuse.
I think everyone here who has a programming degree is rolling their eyes. This is a no-brainer:
1. Find and hire a young CS student
2. Pay them well for the summer
3. Discuss exactly what you want the software to do for you
4. Watch the kid build it in record time before your eyes
5. Give them a 1000$ bonus in the end and enjoy the app.
Seriously, this sort of app is the every programming student's first major project. Most "custom business solutions" are basically the exact same thing, but with a glorified interface and extensive, bullshit-ridden documentation to please the bean counters. Let's face it, at least 75% of "business solutions" involve storing all your customer/product/service/billing data and retrieving it later as you need it, then running stats on the aggregate data to help streamling your business processes. It's all just a database with input dialogs and reporting facilities.
The obvious solution is to claim adultery and ditch the wife. WoW is your one true love!
I used to love that kind of idiot. When I was working retail, there was a 30$ assembly charge for any PC, big or small. A lot of the white-trash movie-copying crowd were so cheap they'd take their 199$ PC in parts and build it themselves. A lot of them came back the next day with an improperly mounted and very dead board. I had one guy who left the CPU fan unplugged "because it was too noisy", then accused me of selling him an overclocked CPU "because only overclocked chips overheat". I took his invoice, wrote "CPU improperly installed by user" in big red letters, kindly dialed Intel's customer service and handed him the phone.
I think Walmart should stay the hell away from computers. They've already destroyed countless suppliers in other markets, that were much stronger business than any asian budget-brand PC supplier. Hell, most of those companies can't even afford basic quality control practices.
Silly yes, in an impressionist kind of way. Excluding the A.I., pretty much everything in the movie was feasible at the time. Today, we could probably code up a convincing replica of "Edgar". Hell, some unenlightened kid has probably already done it as their thesis or something.
Back in my day, we called it "email tech support". It's the one thing they haven't oursourced yet because there are so many stupid people in north america; ping times to and from the mail servers become relevant.
... we value your patronage and hope we have resolved this issue to your satisfaction."
luser: "I cant find gay interracial midget porn on Kazaa so I wanna cancel my fawking dsl"
techie: [click][drag][click] "Thank you for contacting FOAD Technical Support... blah form letter blah
Lather, rinse, repeat. Why do you think they invented form letters in the first place ?
If you mean the idiots who advertise "OEM" software in my inbox sixty times a day, then yes I'm sure there's a sizable bunch of imbeciles who actually fall for the warez scam and pay up. Hell, sometimes I'd want to move to some ghetto country and "resurrect" my tech career by becoming a pirate, because it seems those crooks are much less depressed than us jobless developers.
These guys hide behind legal loopholes and fickle countries who ignore copyright, some nations are even hostile about it and will countersue the copyright holders. The only way to stop warez/spam or any other illegal online activity is to have a target in a country that's legally accessible, whether it's a site owner, admin, host.. any link in the chain. If the scammers know their way around the system though, there's nothing we can do to stop them, short of carpet-bombing the entire planet.
While I'm still not interested in buying a PSP.. mostly because of its emphasis on PSX remakes I've already played to death.. I have to tip my hat to Konami for reviving the original Silent Hill. They're doing very well with this franchise and I applaud them. I enjoyed the movie despite the fact they changed a few names and had the mother take the lead role, but overall it stayed amazingly faithful to the game's story and even mimicked many scenes from the game, right down to the camera angles and of course the chilling music. Seeing the movie and how thrilled I was about it, made my girlfriend task me with playing through all three Silent Hill games ("The Room" is not canon).. and the bloody hell of emulating the original PSX game on my PC.. the others have native PC versions thank god. I'm halfway through the first and it's amazing how such a crappy platform could deliver an intangibly chilling experience. I remember being creeped out after a few hours of playing, even though the game has a very slow pace it just gets under your skin.
I'm very curious to see how they will translate this classic to the PSP. I tend to think of portable games as little ditties you can pick up for a few minutes at a time, like puzzle games or other granular titles like racing or sports. Silent Hill was more about the experience and getting into hour-long problem-solving sessions.. and the dreaded save points that were few and far-between. I don't doubt Konami's skill but it will be interesting to see how they adapt their franchise.
The kicker is that organized crime has little to do with it. It's not like you walk up to a guy in a dark alley with a business plan and product briefs for gadgets. These are often semi-legitimate companies that go rotten after a few years of lackluster success. One such market I'm very comfortable with is the booming FTA satellite receiver business. One particular company has had their receivers cloned like no other, looking and functioning almost identical to the original, except the software/firmware is incompatible. The beauty of this scheme is that you won't know you've been shafted until you go to update your firmware and end up bricking your receiver.
This company had a legitimate product at first, but they were jealous of their competitor's success and decided to clone the Pansat model. Since these are asian companies mostly dealing with american distributors (most of whom are sketchy affairs to begin with), it's really easy to fool the distributors which results in mass confusion. It wasn't until some crafty folks started ripping their dead machines apart that they figured out what had happened. If only the clone had been compatible with official firmware they might have gone undetected for years.
Ahhh yes I had almost forgotten about those types. My solution is to kick the user and hopefully hit THEIR reboot switch.
True, but is the greatly increased cost of big-iron terminal servers justified by the savings in support fees ? Seems like you'd have to have a pretty big organisation to save enough, but then you'll be spending even more on the server every time you cross a scalability speedbump (like spilling into a new blade rack).
That's why for years I made good money dubbing old VHS tapes to DVD with clever video processing. Heck if MGM were to mail me a duplication master of the title you mentioned, I'd cut up a DVD for peanuts. Anyone can do it these days.
Okay so you're not refuting my point: it's just as "easy" to get a 1080p HD transfer than it is to get a nasty 240x486 VHS, as in you don't need to make a whole new movie. Hell, these days you could just digitize it once in 1080p for the HD crowd, software downsample to DVD rez, then analog-out to a VHS deck. The cost differences to manufacture these formats are negligible considering the volume. In fact VHS is probably more costly because of the copy time involved, while you can press a disc in just a few seconds.
In theory, it should be legal to exchange a VHS for a DVD of the same film, or at least a DVD to an HD-DVD at minimal cost. The content is the same, just better suited to high-end playback equipment. It came from the same source, and the media conglomerates try to convince us we're merely licensing the content.. so the medium shouldn't matter any more, right ?
I'd much rather have a free-for-all without patents. Nowadays developing a new product is like running naked through a minefield. Screw that, let the customers choose the winner, as it should be.
Yeah buddy I use Gentoo on a daily basis and I know exactly what you're saying. It IS kinda dumb that Windows doesn't offer easy resizing like that, but tough. Linux console resizing has its own string of glitches, often times you have to kill whatever's running in that box and relaunch it, because the average linux teen hacker is "too leet" to implement proper Curses polling.
Tell you what: you get every single linux developer on the planet to clean up their code, and I'll get Bill Gates to personally fix the CMD resizing. Deal ?
In my book, that's a valid reason to waive the "don't hit girls" rule temporarily, but preferably find something far more punishing and humiliating to do that doesn't necessarily involve physical violence.
Ahh what the heck, smack her before she turns it into a career. How many people have lived off the constant stream of civil lawsuits ? Too f'ing many.
I stand up yes.. I stand up and leave! Money is meant to flow, it's like electricity it doesn't mean squat unless it's moving somewhere. I simply refuse to work for less than my true worth. It just turns out that there are some employers out there who treat their staff like gold and will commit to you if you commit to the company. Unfortunately most of them aren't high-tech. The problem with our industry is that many of the bosses are geeks and faux-geeks (I call them bubble-riders). Most of these people suck at management and don't know how to run a business. Get someone who actually held a real job back before the dot-com age, one who knows what job security means, one who has seen companies grow not because they had low wages and high profits, but because their workers made it happen out of sheer dedication.
There will always be screwups in the business world, that's just a statistical fact. We have to make sure those screwups remain a minority and don't take over.
Sure you can do that, along with everyone else who thinks like you. Right now I'm getting tons of requests for late Athlon XP and Sempron chips, for those who are trying to upgrade their aging Socket-A rigs. The zinger is that a brand new Athlon XP 3200, *IF* you can find them, sells for 140$. A brand new Athlon64 3500 costs the same thing. I think I'd take the 64 over the XP myself, so what if I have to get a new board ? They're cheap now, and I can sell the old board to the same bunch of tinkerers. Heck, most of my leftovers are too high-end for the used market, they're living in the past!
The real kicker won't be the next socket transition. Just wait until Vista ships, or whatever sensational software lands and urges all these peons to upgrade. That's when you'll see chaos in the upgrade market.
That's unfortunate about the QC issues, I hadn't heard of it until now. The upside is that Antec offers unparalleled warranty service so if you were unfortunate enough to get a warped case, they will exchange it immediately.
Hell, just having the 3 year warranty on a power supply is a godsend.
Grrr..
There are (at least) three ways to do what you want. One is to get a cheap multitrack recorder, then manually transfer pairs of tracks to your PC. If you look hard enough, you can find a used multitrack for 300$ or so, or maybe just rent one for the weekend if you're really strapped for cash.
You can also get a cheap PCI sound card like a M-Audio Delta 1010LT, but then you'll need lots of mic preamps because it only comes with 2 mic inputs, the other 6 are just crappy old RCA. The card is 250, the preamps will run you at least 50 each so total cost is around 550$.
The 21st century way is to blow around 1500$ and get an M-Audio Firewire 1814 interface and an Octane 8-way preamp. The beauty of this system is you get ADAT Lightpipe support so you can grow your studio without replacing the PC interface. You will end up with 10 mic inputs, 8 1/4" inputs (guitars, synths, drum machines), four 1/4" outs and a few digital outs.
Note that I mentioned M-Audio.. I'm not trying to start any holy wars here, feel free to substitute your favorite brand. I know M-Audio, I just don't know the other companies well enough to make recommendations.
Don't we already ping-pong back and forth between workstations and thin clients every few years ? Whether it's terminal servers, Citrix or just plain old RDP; there's always someone migrating TO it, and someone else migrating away.
The average office PC has reached ridiculously low prices, is there really that much more we can squeeze out of it by making it a graphical dumb terminal ?
Whoa there sonny! The reason companies get away with this is because of attitudes like yours. When I was in school (which wasn't so long ago, but they were very good schools), we were taught not to look for work, but to "offer our services". Sure, I need money to eat, but the company needs workers to make money so their owners/shareholders can eat (and hire hookers, and drive f'ing Audis like assholes in traffic...) The company cannot survive without employees, but I can survive without the company and take my resourceful self somewhere else.
What I mean is: if companies force their employees to get chipped, and we as intelligent and self-respecting humans refuse to undergo that procedure, we can simply refuse to work for those employers. We can work elsewhere. We can even "not work". Seriously, if it gets to a point where 90% of employers insist on RFID tagging their staff, we can cross our arms and tell them to piss off, then watch them dwindle into misery and desperation. They will be forced to make an easy decision: What's more important, ID chips or PROFIT ? Very easy decision.
The only reason society sort-of works is because we mostly all play by the same rules. If those rules are suddenly not sustainable, we'll just change the rules. We buy things because that's how it works right now. If employment doesn't work anymore in 50 years we'll come up with a better plan if we need to.