Depends whether you're talking about the compile and link times (mainly significant for developers), or the speed of the resulting run-times (significant for EVERYBODY).
"I suppose this is the point where someone has to explain to you the difference between music and cars"
Ah, maybe this is why I can never get my car stereo to work.......
OK, point taken. So can I take it you also fully support the wholescale pirating of Microsoft and all other commercial software ? Did the richest man in the world really get that way by following a "broken business model" ?
[ Yes, I am a strong open-source supporter. And no, I am not my any means a fan of Microsoft. ]
I don't support the RIAA by any means, but I do have problems with this "broken business model" argument.
Round our way, lots of kids steal cars and go joyriding in them.
Would you say that the concept of selling cars via a car showroom is now a "broken business model" ? How are car showrooms going to stay in business if kids can just nick cars for free ?
Yes, and if this UnitedLinux thing comes to fruition, there's no reason why TurboLinux or SuSE should have much of a presence in the USA - Caldera is handling this part of the world for them.
It may have been forced on them by commercial market realities, but you could almost call it a plan.
Yeah, after all, Microsoft didn't get into a monopoly position by having one operating system for businesses, and a separate one for home users, did they ?
Oh wait......
I mean, they kept the desktop consistent. It's not as though they started off with a windowing system based round a program manager and file manager, and then changed it to something completely different.
Oh wait......
It's not as though the desktop is different between Win 3.1, Win 95, Win 98/ME, Win NT 3.5, Win NT 4.0, Win 2000, Win XP, Win CE, is it ?
Oh wait......
Until all their competitors are forced out of business, I think Microsoft might agree with your statement "There is too much choice for the consumer".
Why do I keep getting the feeling that Linux is still on the rebound from Java ?
Come on, everyone knows they were made for each other. They even share a common interest in opposing Microsoft.
But Linux got sniffy because Java wouldn't open herself to him completely. Maybe she felt she was too good for him, maybe she thought he'd never make good, just because he came from the wrong side of the enterprise.
So what does he do ? He goes for another another girl who looks just like her.
"How I missed her,
How I missed her,
How I missed my Java clients,
Till I kissed her
Little sister,
And forgot my Java clients."
"Conclusion: Yet another example of the shortcomings of the United States patent system. Sure, it's better than anything else in the world--but that doesn't mean it's perfect. Far from it, infact."
Hmmmm, I'm curious - it's the "best" patent system in the world, but here we have "yet another example" of its failings.
How much do your actually know about the patent systems of every other country in the world?
Yes, i know there should be an easier way for newbies. Inexperienced users should have a simpler way to install/update KDE.
But I'm constantly amazed by the number of people who profess to be experienced Linux users who have difficulty with something like this. Jesus, is it so difficult to grasp that "programs" depend on libraries? Especially when the RPM installer tells you exactly what dependencies are not being met.
I don't want to just add another whinge to this argument, so here's how I update KDE with RPM (on Mandrake), in the hope some-one out there will find it useful:
Treat the KDE packages as three different levels of package: - the support libraries (including libqt* and (lib)arts*); - the central/base package (kdebase* and kdelibs*); - all the other kde* packages.
Download all the packages into one directory (say/download/kde).
Install the library/support packages first (including the devel packages, if you want them). When installed, move the packages into another directory (say/download/kde/done).
Then install the central kdebase* and kdelibs* packages. Move them to the other directory (/download/kde/done).
Then install the others (with rpm -Uvh *.rpm, or whatever, from/download/kde).
If you're updating, either upgrade all the packages together, or upgrade as above with "--nodeps --replacefiles", or do it the hard way:
rpm -qa|grep kde
rpm -ev [each of the KDE packages]
- leaving kdelibs* and kdebase* until last
Then upgrade/install the new packages.
Of course, on Mandrake, you could also use the badly-underestimated 'urpmi' command. But that would be too easy........;)
Be VERY careful if you're doing this, and realise what it's doing.
What if you had some distro-installed library packages which Ximian came in and updated? If you do the "rpm -e... --nodeps" trick above, those libraries will be removed. Any non-Ximian programs which happened to rely on those libraries (but which worked fine with the updated library versions Ximian provided) will no longer work, since you've removed those libraries and not replaced them with anything.
This is a good way to "break" a lot of your favourite programs.
Concorde still draws crowds of admirers, and it still looks the most futuristic passenger plane in "common" commercial use, even 30+ years after it came into service.
What else is there this old that still looks as good......?
You mean the gameplay that made them the tournament winners, the tournament's highest scorers, saw their DEFENDERS running at goal, taking free kicks, scoring with spectacular overhead kicks, and with more fans amongst the "neutral" supporters than any other country by virtue of the way they play......
Yeah, the final wasn't great, but that was because Germany was trying to tie Brazil down, and not give them the time, space or possession they wanted - nothing wrong with that by Germany, it just doesn't make for a very entertaining games sometimes.
"This cannot be a war of features (ie that a GNU/Linux system is better than Microsoft Windows)".
And why not?
Why should people move from IE to Mozilla / Netscape 6 ? What about tabbed browsing, disabling of popups, theme-ability, better cookie handling........
What about the improved reliablity and security of Linux and BSD unixes ? Don't reliability and security count as features ?
Why can't it be a war of features ? Should the open-source and related communities be satisfied with making inferior replacements ?
I'm really surprised about your problems. I run Mandrake, on several machines, and I've installed XChat on each of them (on various different releases - 7.1 upwards) without any problems.
Try 'urpmi xchat'. It'll take care of dependencies for you, telling you what else your need to install, and trying to do it for you. I don't normally use it - RPM on it's own is usually sufficient for me.
I've also built XChat from source without any problems. (Why? Because the RPM packages are often built without python support, which I use). Again, no problems.
You say you've had problems because of dependencies on other libraries. Well, if XChat depends on those libraries, you'll need to have them on your system whatever package management (or other) system it's build with.
If your RPM database gets screwed up, use the following command to rebuild the RPM database:
Slashdot Mirror
Depends whether you're talking about the compile and link times (mainly significant for developers), or the speed of the resulting run-times (significant for EVERYBODY).
Also, your comments don't seem to tally with what it says on the official GCC 3.1 changes page.
Great news. Thanks.
"I suppose this is the point where someone has to explain to you the difference between music and cars"
Ah, maybe this is why I can never get my car stereo to work.......
OK, point taken. So can I take it you also fully support the wholescale pirating of Microsoft and all other commercial software ? Did the richest man in the world really get that way by following a "broken business model" ?
[ Yes, I am a strong open-source supporter. And no, I am not my any means a fan of Microsoft. ]
I don't support the RIAA by any means, but I do have problems with this "broken business model" argument.
Round our way, lots of kids steal cars and go joyriding in them.
Would you say that the concept of selling cars via a car showroom is now a "broken business model" ? How are car showrooms going to stay in business if kids can just nick cars for free ?
Yes, and if this UnitedLinux thing comes to fruition, there's no reason why TurboLinux or SuSE should have much of a presence in the USA - Caldera is handling this part of the world for them.
It may have been forced on them by commercial market realities, but you could almost call it a plan.
"What if your email could be read to you automatically when you walked into your apartment?"
When I eventually get the girl of my dreams to come back to my apartment, the last thing I want to hear is:
"MickWd, get that larger penis you always wanted"
"Hey, MickWd, this is Naughty Nancy. I'm horny and waiting for your call"
"MickWd, having problems getting it up ? Try our new Viagra"
LOL.
Someone prop^H^H^H^Hmod him up +1 Funny.
Yeah, after all, Microsoft didn't get into a monopoly position by having one operating system for businesses, and a separate one for home users, did they ?
Oh wait......
I mean, they kept the desktop consistent. It's not as though they started off with a windowing system based round a program manager and file manager, and then changed it to something completely different.
Oh wait......
It's not as though the desktop is different between Win 3.1, Win 95, Win 98/ME, Win NT 3.5, Win NT 4.0, Win 2000, Win XP, Win CE, is it ?
Oh wait......
Until all their competitors are forced out of business, I think Microsoft might agree with your statement "There is too much choice for the consumer".
If your don't like this sort of stuff, stop buying (or considering) stuff from Sybase.
And let them know your doing this.
And why.
Ever tried to build MPlayer from source ?
With GCC 2.96 ? Or 3.0 ?
......Oh my darling Java clients.
Why do I keep getting the feeling that Linux is still on the rebound from Java ?
Come on, everyone knows they were made for each other. They even share a common interest in
opposing Microsoft.
But Linux got sniffy because Java wouldn't open herself to him completely. Maybe she felt
she was too good for him, maybe she thought he'd never make good, just because he came from
the wrong side of the enterprise.
So what does he do ? He goes for another another girl who looks just like her.
"How I missed her,
How I missed her,
How I missed my Java clients,
Till I kissed her
Little sister,
And forgot my Java clients."
"Conclusion: Yet another example of the shortcomings of the United States patent system. Sure, it's better than anything else in the world--but that doesn't mean it's perfect. Far from it, infact."
Hmmmm, I'm curious - it's the "best" patent system in the world, but here we have "yet another example" of its failings.
How much do your actually know about the patent systems of every other country in the world?
[ Warning: RPM-specific ]
/download/kde).
/download/kde/done).
/download/kde).
;)
Yes, i know there should be an easier way for newbies. Inexperienced users should have a simpler way to install/update KDE.
But I'm constantly amazed by the number of people who profess to be experienced Linux users who have difficulty with something like this. Jesus, is it so difficult to grasp that "programs" depend on libraries? Especially when the RPM installer tells you exactly what dependencies are not being met.
I don't want to just add another whinge to this argument, so here's how I update KDE with RPM (on Mandrake), in the hope some-one out there will find it useful:
Treat the KDE packages as three different levels of package:
- the support libraries (including libqt* and (lib)arts*);
- the central/base package (kdebase* and kdelibs*);
- all the other kde* packages.
Download all the packages into one directory (say
Install the library/support packages first (including the devel packages, if you want them). When installed, move the packages into another directory (say
Then install the central kdebase* and kdelibs* packages. Move them to the other directory (/download/kde/done).
Then install the others (with rpm -Uvh *.rpm, or whatever, from
If you're updating, either upgrade all the packages together, or upgrade as above with "--nodeps --replacefiles", or do it the hard way:
rpm -qa|grep kde
rpm -ev [each of the KDE packages]
- leaving kdelibs* and kdebase* until last
Then upgrade/install the new packages.
Of course, on Mandrake, you could also use the badly-underestimated 'urpmi' command. But that would be too easy........
Jesus, is this really so difficult?
Be VERY careful if you're doing this, and realise what it's doing.
... --nodeps" trick above, those libraries will be removed. Any non-Ximian programs which happened to rely on those libraries (but which worked fine with the updated library versions Ximian provided) will no longer work, since you've removed those libraries and not replaced them with anything.
What if you had some distro-installed library packages which Ximian came in and updated? If you do the "rpm -e
This is a good way to "break" a lot of your favourite programs.
Used to work at Heathrow in London.
Concorde still draws crowds of admirers, and it still looks the most futuristic passenger plane in "common" commercial use, even 30+ years after it came into service.
What else is there this old that still looks as good......?
Yeah, how come Harry Potter's in a Leotard in this new book ?
Rubbish - Brazil didn't struggle against England - and I'm an English guy saying this.
Not to say that Brazil were brilliant against us, though - more the case that we were poor (and no, I don't just mean the goalkeeper).
Remember that we also had a one-man advantage for 30 mins, yet we made it look like it was Brazil who had the extra man.
You mean the gameplay that made them the tournament winners, the tournament's highest scorers, saw their DEFENDERS running at goal, taking free kicks, scoring with spectacular overhead kicks, and with more fans amongst the "neutral" supporters than any other country by virtue of the way they play......
Yeah, the final wasn't great, but that was because Germany was trying to tie Brazil down, and not give them the time, space or possession they wanted - nothing wrong with that by Germany, it just doesn't make for a very entertaining games sometimes.
Dude, buy a car.
"This cannot be a war of features (ie that a GNU/Linux system is better than Microsoft Windows)".
And why not?
Why should people move from IE to Mozilla / Netscape 6 ? What about tabbed browsing, disabling of popups, theme-ability, better cookie handling........
What about the improved reliablity and security of Linux and BSD unixes ? Don't reliability and security count as features ?
Why can't it be a war of features ? Should the open-source and related communities be satisfied with making inferior replacements ?
I'm really surprised about your problems. I run Mandrake, on several machines, and I've installed XChat on each of them (on various different releases - 7.1 upwards) without any problems.
Try 'urpmi xchat'. It'll take care of dependencies for you, telling you what else your need to install, and trying to do it for you. I don't normally use it - RPM on it's own is usually sufficient for me.
I've also built XChat from source without any problems. (Why? Because the RPM packages are often built without python support, which I use). Again, no problems.
You say you've had problems because of dependencies on other libraries. Well, if XChat depends on those libraries, you'll need to have them on your system whatever package management (or other) system it's build with.
If your RPM database gets screwed up, use the following command to rebuild the RPM database:
rpm --rebuilddb
HEY!
If you're Larry Ellison, you're one big opening.....
"No my friends, the money is in the back end"
No wonder they call it dirty money.
Maybe it's hack-proof the same way my old K6-233 machine is hack-proof?
It isn't connected to the internet.
No, it should be weird
(Sorry