I don't believe that Scott has EVER come straight out and said this. What he has said is that Sun is not vulnerable to this kind of suit from SCO. That's simply good management.
If you can pooint at the irony in your post, fine. I don't see it. Nor do I see anything that would make me belief that anything was being sent toung in cheek. Remember, There are no side channels in thsi medium. You only have the written word. If you want to do irony, sarcasm, humour etc; you need to be a little more obvious.
As I said, I can't see anything obviously ironic in the post that I replied to.
Cash reserves are actually up on where they were this time last year. Where do you get the "Rapidly dwindling" from?
With regard to "cheap 64 bit computing around teh corner", it took Sun some time to get 64 bit and largely parallel systems right with Solaris. It's not going to happen overnight for an as yet untried chip. As with all things there will be lessons to be learned about the foibles of any new chipset.
No, what he is actually saying is that Sun does not need to spend time worrying about whether or not they will need to defend themselves from a potential suit from SCO here. They have the appropriate rights to all of the software that they distribute. They can use their time far more productively than worrying about SCO going after them too.
If the v60x and v65x wre ALL that Sun was doing you would be right in making this point. However, they are not. Sun does a lot of other hardware AND owns the rihgts to the O/S that it can put on it.
You have to love convenient ommisions by the marketing folks. IBM point out that Sun has it's own Unix O/S implying "proprietry bad", omitting Sun's linux offerring. They also omit the mention of their own proprietry Unix offering.
Then again, depending on who you believe, they're not allowed to Sell AIX any more;)
He's already tried it. When the Staroffice deal was announced late last year he was down in a flash. Copmletely failed at the hard sell too. The Staroffice and J2EE deal went ahead.
Microsoft actually tried this late last year when the Staroffice deal was announced. They flew Steve Balmer out and he attempted to "lay on the charm". Of course if you saw the photos in the paper, you'realise that this is a physical impossibility.
Anyway, the Staroffice and J2EE deal went ahead and Micro$oft wasted the cost of Stev's time and trip.
If you are drinking Australian Beer outside of Australia then you really can't judge the good ones. Generally, it's the crap that gets exported. There are a lot of really good domestic beers that don't get exported. James Squire springs to mind as one.
I know I am going to get flamed by the "Keep jobs in America" folks, but the argument shown is very one sided.
There is the outcry about the Indian programmers being underpaid. What is left out of the equation is how the pay fits in with the standard of living where the employee lives.
Isn't it only good business and responsible to shareholders that companies look for the best return on the dollar spent?
The company that I work for has employees all over the world. I work in Australia. I know that I am paid less than my counterparts in the US. However, I also know that my cost of living is an awful lot lower than, say, California.
That said, going to cheaper countries must be balanced with getting the appropriate skill sets. There is nothing worse than dealing with someone who does not have the skill sets that you require them to have as a basic part of their job.
Devestating if it can be proven. Somehow I think that SCO is on another fishing expedition, just like the one about 'the GPL is invalid because it violates copyright law".
It's going to be interesting to see them try to prove a million lines. I would be surprised if Linus was careless enough to allow that amount of Intelectial Property in without proper release.
Get real, software licensing, closed source and software copyright (along with many other protections) were around for a long time before Bill hit the scene.
He may have done many things that I disagree with, but let's not start blaming him for stuff that he is not responsible for.
Even so, it is a major missed sales opportunity for Microsoft. Just think of the press they would have got and the money in license fees if they had managed to pull off a conversion to MS Office.
Since when does open source == good and closed source == evil?
I would have thought that the real questions should be based around functionality, fitness for purpose and value for expenditure (all expenditure, not just up front).
Obviously the Chinese Govenrment believes that using a different product gives them the above benefits. Open or closed source really shouldn't enter in to it. When it does, things rapidly deteriorate into a religious argument.
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I don't believe that Scott has EVER come straight out and said this. What he has said is that Sun is not vulnerable to this kind of suit from SCO. That's simply good management.
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If you can pooint at the irony in your post, fine. I don't see it. Nor do I see anything that would make me belief that anything was being sent toung in cheek. Remember, There are no side channels in thsi medium. You only have the written word. If you want to do irony, sarcasm, humour etc; you need to be a little more obvious.
As I said, I can't see anything obviously ironic in the post that I replied to.
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Cash reserves are actually up on where they were this time last year. Where do you get the "Rapidly dwindling" from?
With regard to "cheap 64 bit computing around teh corner", it took Sun some time to get 64 bit and largely parallel systems right with Solaris. It's not going to happen overnight for an as yet untried chip. As with all things there will be lessons to be learned about the foibles of any new chipset.
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No, what he is actually saying is that Sun does not need to spend time worrying about whether or not they will need to defend themselves from a potential suit from SCO here. They have the appropriate rights to all of the software that they distribute. They can use their time far more productively than worrying about SCO going after them too.
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You missed an impartant part of that quote... You know, the bit about 64 bit, which imediately means you must discount x86 as it's only 32.
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Hmmm. I am a Sun employee. I have just gone out to buy a Dell notebook. Some of my colleagues have IBM thinkpads, Compaqs, Toshibas and macs....
What exactly is your point?
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No, you've missed the point.
If the v60x and v65x wre ALL that Sun was doing you would be right in making this point. However, they are not. Sun does a lot of other hardware AND owns the rihgts to the O/S that it can put on it.
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You have to love convenient ommisions by the marketing folks. IBM point out that Sun has it's own Unix O/S implying "proprietry bad", omitting Sun's linux offerring. They also omit the mention of their own proprietry Unix offering.
;)
Then again, depending on who you believe, they're not allowed to Sell AIX any more
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He's already tried it. When the Staroffice deal was announced late last year he was down in a flash. Copmletely failed at the hard sell too. The Staroffice and J2EE deal went ahead.
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Microsoft actually tried this late last year when the Staroffice deal was announced. They flew Steve Balmer out and he attempted to "lay on the charm". Of course if you saw the photos in the paper, you'realise that this is a physical impossibility.
Anyway, the Staroffice and J2EE deal went ahead and Micro$oft wasted the cost of Stev's time and trip.
Tp.
Agreed, whenever I visit Denver, I absolutely *must* have a Fat Tire ;)
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If you are drinking Australian Beer outside of Australia then you really can't judge the good ones. Generally, it's the crap that gets exported. There are a lot of really good domestic beers that don't get exported. James Squire springs to mind as one.
Tp.
I know I am going to get flamed by the "Keep jobs in America" folks, but the argument shown is very one sided.
There is the outcry about the Indian programmers being underpaid. What is left out of the equation is how the pay fits in with the standard of living where the employee lives.
Isn't it only good business and responsible to shareholders that companies look for the best return on the dollar spent?
The company that I work for has employees all over the world. I work in Australia. I know that I am paid less than my counterparts in the US. However, I also know that my cost of living is an awful lot lower than, say, California.
That said, going to cheaper countries must be balanced with getting the appropriate skill sets. There is nothing worse than dealing with someone who does not have the skill sets that you require them to have as a basic part of their job.
Tp.
That WAS true at one point. It isn't anymore. Copies of the orignial William Hartnell series showed up in a private colection a few years back.
I know that the Foxtel (one of the pay tv services in australia) ran the ENTIRE Dr Who series a couple of times on UK-TV over the last few years.
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I have CDRs that I burned just under 5 years ago that I frequently use. They all appear fine.
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Devestating if it can be proven. Somehow I think that SCO is on another fishing expedition, just like the one about 'the GPL is invalid because it violates copyright law".
It's going to be interesting to see them try to prove a million lines. I would be surprised if Linus was careless enough to allow that amount of Intelectial Property in without proper release.
Tp.
There are pirates and even murderers in the US too.
Does that make ALL Americans murderers and pirates. Be careful with your generalities lest they come back to bite you.
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Get real, software licensing, closed source and software copyright (along with many other protections) were around for a long time before Bill hit the scene.
He may have done many things that I disagree with, but let's not start blaming him for stuff that he is not responsible for.
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That's a fair comment. I guess I may have read stuff into your words that wasn't there.
I'm all in favour of open standards as that is something that encourages competition.
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It is kind of sad to see; especially when the good things that happen there get overshadowed by blind igorance.
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I DO believe that I saw in the Australian at some point that they DID make a big purchase of Star Office.
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Even so, it is a major missed sales opportunity for Microsoft. Just think of the press they would have got and the money in license fees if they had managed to pull off a conversion to MS Office.
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Sounds like a much better explanation than simply saying "Oops, typo". :)
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Since when does open source == good and closed source == evil?
I would have thought that the real questions should be based around functionality, fitness for purpose and value for expenditure (all expenditure, not just up front).
Obviously the Chinese Govenrment believes that using a different product gives them the above benefits. Open or closed source really shouldn't enter in to it. When it does, things rapidly deteriorate into a religious argument.
Tp.
Also according to yahoo.com, Bill still owns 1,168,499,336 shares in MSFT. 6 million is neither here nor there,
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