Yeah, we had a guy at work that came from a C programming background that thought the same. But you know what, in software contracting programming that doesn't fly:
Bluntly, this stuff is a great deal easier than C.
A: Since it is a waste of time trying to get a bug-free code that you wrote from scratch, instead of using something that does the same and it has been heavily tested by everyone.
B: The peculiarities of that particular code you write will not have anything close to the documentation you find for some libraries out there, so again, huge waste of time for the whole team trying to understand "your" way.
Which is great right up until the client requests something not covered in the framework/library, and then hey, you're back in the trenches praying to stackexchange.
C: The whole oh sorry that doesn't work yet part, but we'll get there. (probably two weeks after the deadline if you ever have time)
Yes, which is exactly what happens when you're faced with a requirement not part of the framework's capabilities.
had to act as a mediator to bring some common sense, especially when we had to compete with some other companies that were using the full angular/grunt stack.
Ever had to explain to a client why you could roll out this great website in a couple of days, but changing the layout of the calendar will take a week or so while you unpick the various files and dependencies? No thanks.
(I'm not suggesting frameworks are good in general; but a good framework is good in its niche; you want to put up a blog.. it takes 10 minutes using an existing blogging framework; you want to write it yourself, order of magnitude more time.)
Problem is it works so well that clients immediately want fifty adjustments not covered by any plugin, and now you're spending ten times longer untangling spaghetti code slapped together by a myriad of well meaning contributors with no interest at all in documentation trying to make that happen.
Except 99.999% of web developers will never work for a Fortune 500 company with those kinds of demands. And even if they do they'll still need to know the code back to front.
My advice is to become familiar with HTML/CSS/JS/PHP/MySQL or whatever and build your own stripped down frameworks, basic stuff like a CMS and frontend scaffolding. Then you can adapt that as need be, add bits on or take them away, change it while keeping costs down (since you've already built the basics) and maintain a minimal profile.
It's not that hard once you start laying the foundations.
Although the split was along religious lines, they may as well have been wearing football jerseys for all the difference it would have made despite the fiery rhetoric handed down by the likes of Paisley and company.
Territorial dispute, cultural dispute, these could well describe the troubles, but a religious dispute? I mean they weren't arguing about differing interpretations of passages in the bible.
The origins of the troubles can be traced right back to the Plantations initiated by Queen Elizabeth, which were a deliberate and systematic out programme of uprooting the locals and "planting" fanatical Scottish border reavers on their land, which could arguably be called religiously motivated insofar as the Queen was head of the Church of England, but really it's been plain old fashioned colonial politics from day one.
Meh it's all very well to start talking about willpower but I mean look at how vaping has exploded lately in lieu of cigarettes. If these devices help reduce obesity, they're saving lives, and that's a good thing.
but there's an inherent distrust that a male teacher will rape all the female students that basically scare off the male teachers.
Nothing inherent about it, it's a deliberately fostered and carefully cultivated narrative, which like all of these schemes ends up with people unfit for the job being given the job, leading to an epidemic of female teachers raping male and female students. And that list is by no means comprehensive, Fark used to run a daily piece on the latest female teacher/male student paedophile case. At this point it would be a considerable endeavour to gather and organise the ever increasing mountain of cases.
This is why it keeps coming up - people here are unwilling to face the simple truths that the rest of the world did long ago
What, truths like "women have always, always worked outside the home even after marriage despite the hysterical narrative being pushed by people such as yourself that they were chained barefoot to the kitchen sink until the psychotics of second wave feminism saved them"? Truths like the fact that white goods did far far more to change the roles of women in society than feminism ever did as they freed up huge amounts of time? Those simple truths? Or maybe you'll take Einstein's word for it:
"Above all things there are the women who, as a literal fact, dominate the entire life in America. The men take an interest in absolutely nothing at all. They work and work, the like of which I have never seen anywhere yet. For the rest they are the toy dogs of the women, who spend the money in a most unmeasurable, illimitable way and wrap themselves in a fog of extravagance."
Dat narrative tho.
It was never about "rapey neckbeards", that's just some nonsense the anti-feminist crowd came up with.
This technique is known as DARVO and I see it a lot among the anti GG crowd. Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim Order - "No, all lies, scummy anti feminists, feminsts are the Victims here". People are learning about your shabby rhetorical tapdancing, they're learning how you work, how you co-ordinate, how you hustle.
And they don't like you very much.
It's about the things we have known for a long time put women off, and which are well documented. Things like bad working hours, lack of female role models, and hiring practices that while not actively discriminatory do never the less result in fewer women applying. Tech companies recognize these things as problems because they want the best candidates on the market, not the best candidates from a subset.
Spin like this never, ever stands up to scrutiny. In reality it's the mutants in the gender studies departments who learned their craft at the hoary knees of Dworkin and company looking for excuses to chip away another meritocratic system who want this. Tech companies are going along with it for the same reason they want more H1-B visas and they same reason they're being let into schools for pity's sake, more workers = cheaper workers, supply and demand.
In your own mind, your own narrative,you're an agent of progressive change, change which has been slowly improving society since the 70s, making life more equal, tearing down patriarchal constructs, you and your fellow travellers are the lights that lead humanity out of the dark ages.
But that's not the reality. The truth that almost everyone is starting to see is that your narrative is leaking brake fluid out of a thousand cracks. The changes that have been wrought are almost entirely due to technological advancements like cheaper cars and the free sharing of information via the internet, and the biggie, unleaded petrol. You are in fact representative of a regressive and reactionary hate movement whose conversations must centre around despising someone, whether it's the bourgeouise, the jews, or latterly white men.
The astounding hypocrisy of these sentiments is further compounded by a myriad of minor but still quite horrific hypocrisies, such as the identification with the (genuine) civil rights movement which was sparked off by a false rape allegation resulting in murder. Feminists would have supported the murderers with their blanket insistence that all rape accusations must be believed, and they'd probably have said that men could learn a lesson from it, those big rapey heads.
The only place your kind are leading is into a miserable gulag where merit becomes a curse word and men have to close their legs on subways, keeping their heads bowed when women walk by, a place where achievement becomes failure and failure becomes achievement, a place where the natural love be
And for the record I'd advise local law enforcement to put up signs telling kids they should not feel welcome on your lawn. Ugh, Lena Dunham anyone? 500 yards or more champ.
Gamergator responds to charges by proving them. Way to go, cuck.
Yeah, those damn patriarchal facts. So you're pressing on towards seniority then? Maybe you'd be better served looking for women in a tropical clime rather than aping a misandrist, I believe they don't really care what you look like as long as you sign over the pension.
You gotta admit, it's pretty funny when an unknown feminist can just freak the fuck out of these self-described alpha males.
We're talking about tech nerds right?
I mean, if not for GamerGate setting its own hair on fire
Try again, only a clown addicted to the stench of their own smug could believe that.
>Instead, she's turned into a rock star, gets a book deal, and Intel gives half a billion dollars to encourage diversity.
Oh gawd she's a two bit hustler that latched onto feminism the religion in order to better her own bank balance. Not my fault ageing thirsty SJWs open their wallets at the sight of her.
And people wonder why the tech sector is so keen to replace white men.
Remarkably racist even for you.
Soooo, poperatzo, are you a beardo with a baby pathologically terrified for your daughter's virtue or a dehydrated old goat who hasn't yet given up the dream of the hareem.
More seriously though this nonsense is getting crazy. Story after story about gender diversity, why women are being driven out of tech by rapey neckbeards, a resolute refusal to take a long hard journalistically honest look at gamergate (when gamergate should have been the FOCUS of a site like slashdot), it reeks of complicity with the insidious agenda of the demented hate movement known as feminism.
I'll tell you this "editors", the time for such manipulations is almost at an end.
Ha please, when you organise yourself acording to the communist manifesto you're a communist country no matter what you call yourself, end of story. Besides which even marx couldn't figure out how a "fully" communist country would look or work.
Nobody but a social justice warrior could possibly doubt that only a feminist would be stupid enough, to say nothing of displaying reckless regard for human life in the name of an ideology, to make such a suggestion.
You shitsucking toerag.
Although bonus points for calling mens rights groups paedophile havens, when it's usually feminists promoting incestuous paedophilia. Lena Dunham anyone?
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Yeah, we had a guy at work that came from a C programming background that thought the same. But you know what, in software contracting programming that doesn't fly:
Bluntly, this stuff is a great deal easier than C.
A: Since it is a waste of time trying to get a bug-free code that you wrote from scratch, instead of using something that does the same and it has been heavily tested by everyone.
B: The peculiarities of that particular code you write will not have anything close to the documentation you find for some libraries out there, so again, huge waste of time for the whole team trying to understand "your" way.
Which is great right up until the client requests something not covered in the framework/library, and then hey, you're back in the trenches praying to stackexchange.
C: The whole oh sorry that doesn't work yet part, but we'll get there. (probably two weeks after the deadline if you ever have time)
Yes, which is exactly what happens when you're faced with a requirement not part of the framework's capabilities.
had to act as a mediator to bring some common sense, especially when we had to compete with some other companies that were using the full angular/grunt stack.
Ever had to explain to a client why you could roll out this great website in a couple of days, but changing the layout of the calendar will take a week or so while you unpick the various files and dependencies? No thanks.
No, instead you're wasting time keeping up with the latest and greatest libraries and fashionable trends.
Learn the basics, feel free to use the experience of those that came before to avoid reinventing the wheel, and forget the fancy frameworks.
If someone asks do you know jQuery, tell them no, but you could write it from scratch.
Oh you and your sane, reasonable remarks...
The same complaint could be said about linux, systemd, bitcoin, privacy, government snooping, social media ...
This site is supposed to be about exactly that kind of stuff though. If we wanted the latest social justice warrior missives we'd be on pleb.com.
Why would you need to learn any of the others if you already know javascript?
(I'm not suggesting frameworks are good in general; but a good framework is good in its niche; you want to put up a blog.. it takes 10 minutes using an existing blogging framework; you want to write it yourself, order of magnitude more time.)
Problem is it works so well that clients immediately want fifty adjustments not covered by any plugin, and now you're spending ten times longer untangling spaghetti code slapped together by a myriad of well meaning contributors with no interest at all in documentation trying to make that happen.
Except 99.999% of web developers will never work for a Fortune 500 company with those kinds of demands. And even if they do they'll still need to know the code back to front.
My advice is to become familiar with HTML/CSS/JS/PHP/MySQL or whatever and build your own stripped down frameworks, basic stuff like a CMS and frontend scaffolding. Then you can adapt that as need be, add bits on or take them away, change it while keeping costs down (since you've already built the basics) and maintain a minimal profile.
It's not that hard once you start laying the foundations.
It's fairly standard practise to leave stuff in the ground until better technology comes along, as far as archaeology goes.
Yeah it's the same song played with different instruments.
So what, it's a damn good song.
Although the split was along religious lines, they may as well have been wearing football jerseys for all the difference it would have made despite the fiery rhetoric handed down by the likes of Paisley and company.
Territorial dispute, cultural dispute, these could well describe the troubles, but a religious dispute? I mean they weren't arguing about differing interpretations of passages in the bible.
The origins of the troubles can be traced right back to the Plantations initiated by Queen Elizabeth, which were a deliberate and systematic out programme of uprooting the locals and "planting" fanatical Scottish border reavers on their land, which could arguably be called religiously motivated insofar as the Queen was head of the Church of England, but really it's been plain old fashioned colonial politics from day one.
Meh it's all very well to start talking about willpower but I mean look at how vaping has exploded lately in lieu of cigarettes. If these devices help reduce obesity, they're saving lives, and that's a good thing.
Perhaps you should have thought about that before you turned the hate on them.
"Gamers are dead", really?
No.
Your brand of bullshit is dead.
The drone war has!
but there's an inherent distrust that a male teacher will rape all the female students that basically scare off the male teachers.
Nothing inherent about it, it's a deliberately fostered and carefully cultivated narrative, which like all of these schemes ends up with people unfit for the job being given the job, leading to an epidemic of female teachers raping male and female students. And that list is by no means comprehensive, Fark used to run a daily piece on the latest female teacher/male student paedophile case. At this point it would be a considerable endeavour to gather and organise the ever increasing mountain of cases.
This is why it keeps coming up - people here are unwilling to face the simple truths that the rest of the world did long ago
What, truths like "women have always, always worked outside the home even after marriage despite the hysterical narrative being pushed by people such as yourself that they were chained barefoot to the kitchen sink until the psychotics of second wave feminism saved them"? Truths like the fact that white goods did far far more to change the roles of women in society than feminism ever did as they freed up huge amounts of time? Those simple truths? Or maybe you'll take Einstein's word for it:
"Above all things there are the women who, as a literal fact, dominate the entire life in America. The men take an interest in absolutely nothing at all. They work and work, the like of which I have never seen anywhere yet. For the rest they are the toy dogs of the women, who spend the money in a most unmeasurable, illimitable way and wrap themselves in a fog of extravagance."
Dat narrative tho.
It was never about "rapey neckbeards", that's just some nonsense the anti-feminist crowd came up with.
This technique is known as DARVO and I see it a lot among the anti GG crowd. Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim Order - "No, all lies, scummy anti feminists, feminsts are the Victims here". People are learning about your shabby rhetorical tapdancing, they're learning how you work, how you co-ordinate, how you hustle.
And they don't like you very much.
It's about the things we have known for a long time put women off, and which are well documented. Things like bad working hours, lack of female role models, and hiring practices that while not actively discriminatory do never the less result in fewer women applying. Tech companies recognize these things as problems because they want the best candidates on the market, not the best candidates from a subset.
Spin like this never, ever stands up to scrutiny. In reality it's the mutants in the gender studies departments who learned their craft at the hoary knees of Dworkin and company looking for excuses to chip away another meritocratic system who want this. Tech companies are going along with it for the same reason they want more H1-B visas and they same reason they're being let into schools for pity's sake, more workers = cheaper workers, supply and demand.
In your own mind, your own narrative,you're an agent of progressive change, change which has been slowly improving society since the 70s, making life more equal, tearing down patriarchal constructs, you and your fellow travellers are the lights that lead humanity out of the dark ages.
But that's not the reality. The truth that almost everyone is starting to see is that your narrative is leaking brake fluid out of a thousand cracks. The changes that have been wrought are almost entirely due to technological advancements like cheaper cars and the free sharing of information via the internet, and the biggie, unleaded petrol. You are in fact representative of a regressive and reactionary hate movement whose conversations must centre around despising someone, whether it's the bourgeouise, the jews, or latterly white men.
The astounding hypocrisy of these sentiments is further compounded by a myriad of minor but still quite horrific hypocrisies, such as the identification with the (genuine) civil rights movement which was sparked off by a false rape allegation resulting in murder. Feminists would have supported the murderers with their blanket insistence that all rape accusations must be believed, and they'd probably have said that men could learn a lesson from it, those big rapey heads.
The only place your kind are leading is into a miserable gulag where merit becomes a curse word and men have to close their legs on subways, keeping their heads bowed when women walk by, a place where achievement becomes failure and failure becomes achievement, a place where the natural love be
And for the record I'd advise local law enforcement to put up signs telling kids they should not feel welcome on your lawn. Ugh, Lena Dunham anyone? 500 yards or more champ.
Oh gosh, tinpot shaming tactics wedded to bullshit, where do I sign up?
But it is your fault she became famous.
I don't run any publications chucklehead.
At least not yet.
Gamergator responds to charges by proving them. Way to go, cuck.
Yeah, those damn patriarchal facts. So you're pressing on towards seniority then? Maybe you'd be better served looking for women in a tropical clime rather than aping a misandrist, I believe they don't really care what you look like as long as you sign over the pension.
You gotta admit, it's pretty funny when an unknown feminist can just freak the fuck out of these self-described alpha males.
We're talking about tech nerds right?
I mean, if not for GamerGate setting its own hair on fire
Try again, only a clown addicted to the stench of their own smug could believe that.
>Instead, she's turned into a rock star, gets a book deal, and Intel gives half a billion dollars to encourage diversity.
Oh gawd she's a two bit hustler that latched onto feminism the religion in order to better her own bank balance. Not my fault ageing thirsty SJWs open their wallets at the sight of her.
And people wonder why the tech sector is so keen to replace white men.
Remarkably racist even for you.
Soooo, poperatzo, are you a beardo with a baby pathologically terrified for your daughter's virtue or a dehydrated old goat who hasn't yet given up the dream of the hareem.
Because it's always one of the two. Always.
More seriously though this nonsense is getting crazy. Story after story about gender diversity, why women are being driven out of tech by rapey neckbeards, a resolute refusal to take a long hard journalistically honest look at gamergate (when gamergate should have been the FOCUS of a site like slashdot), it reeks of complicity with the insidious agenda of the demented hate movement known as feminism.
I'll tell you this "editors", the time for such manipulations is almost at an end.
That, and timmah got his plums emptied by Anita Sarkeesian.
You go timmah, winning!
Ha please, when you organise yourself acording to the communist manifesto you're a communist country no matter what you call yourself, end of story. Besides which even marx couldn't figure out how a "fully" communist country would look or work.
I guess we know now.
Feminists aren't adults, nor do they want women to be adults.
Nobody but a social justice warrior could possibly doubt that only a feminist would be stupid enough, to say nothing of displaying reckless regard for human life in the name of an ideology, to make such a suggestion.
You shitsucking toerag.
Although bonus points for calling mens rights groups paedophile havens, when it's usually feminists promoting incestuous paedophilia. Lena Dunham anyone?