It is funny to see that this story appears after we heard lots about Napster issues with file marking.
I just wonder whether this story is FUD... After all, it is Napster's interest to discourage their userbase to migrate to GNUtella.
Of course, there could also be a real bug somewhere.... --
Most Napster user download less and less stuff as they usually look for what they want, not "anything available"
So, concerning the first point, this only goes for future downloads, so, my current 24 CD full of MP3 stuff are not encrypted in any way, am I right ?
I also think this is the same with most people, so, statistically, who can say that:
It won't be the same for current Napster addicts who have plenty of MP3 they can still share?
There won't be somebody to just add some filtering on Napster client in order to just ignore "tagged" files?
So, yes, this won't change much except that only the "latest" songs will be available.
Now, I just wonder whether somebody actually tracked a Napster song in order to evaluates how many times it is actually downloaded? Maybe this information would just show the Napster people how useless (or useful ?) this is going to be...
Or maybe their forthcoming "tagging" will be a way for them to perform such statistics as their model is centralized.
Until then, I'll switch to GNUtella.;-) --
LispMe is available here
I prefer it to Python as it doesn't involve the regular usage of exotic Graffiti characters but now that other languages are finally coming,I just can't wait to have a Forth on my PalmIII!
--
This reminds me of the contexts used by webservers and included in URL, like CosomosBay used to do, years ago... So, did they patent this because they really felt they invented something revolutionary (in which case they're idiots) or because they wanted to make money as quickly as the ones who patented the one-click buy?
This is an ethical problem and RMS does an outstanding job defending our rights.
Though inhabitual, his position concerning Open Source is right and coherent: You *can't* fight for Freedom if you accept concessions with what you describe as *bad*.
Now, if RMS'positions often regard computer science, it is because he is working in this area now, the real question is "can we have our innovation and creativity biaised by financial interests ?"
How can we doubtlessly agree when we see a company patenting something not because it is revolutionary but because it is common sense?
In such case, we all know "they" patent it because of the money they get out of it, they patent it as marketers, not as scientists nor artists.
So, when will they patent laws?
They actually started, it is called the ISO standard and we all know how much royalties we have to pay to grant this "honour" to an organization.
ISO9xxx standards are hinderences to evolution.
The GPL can actually be applied to many domains such as Art (try this too).
If we want to progress, we have to share, if we want to share, we need to renounce to any mark of property. Or to share the discovery's rights with any person who directly or not contributed to it, which is equivalent to sharing it with the whole universe and is reflected by the GPL.
I say "Go on, Richard, I am standing with you". --
What about its power consumption ?
Will it be suitable in a normal 14" screened laptop ?
Also, a 10000-hour life means approx 2-3 years for my Linux laptop. Isn't this a bit short compared to the price ? --
and may also talk to the company I currently work for.
(1) is not bad, they want to talk.
Maybe to know more about what you reproach them with.
but...
(2) *sounds* bad.
because:
They should not use their knowledge of your current position to, for example look forward to inluence (probably a defavorable way your relationship with your new employer.
They should not even discuss this point with a third person. Not only your company representatives but also your mother or perhaps, maybe here on Slashdot if you and them remain anonymous;-)
But if you gave enough details about this company to let some private information concerning them filter out to the public, it is obvious you might have problems, so, ensure you remained politically correct or you might be sued for diffamation. --
A huge advantage that TWM has over the others WM is his lightness :
You can use TWM/X-VGA server with no problem on any old laptop. It is damn' stable and especially saved many computosaurus from the dust-bin, here.
(when someone visits our firewall rooms, he actually think he is in a computer museum;-) --
Sorry to bother you with this but how the Hell do you focus on a given widget with a voice recognition system ?
Do you just say "<TAB>" ?
I don't really like it.
If I type quicker than I speak and I want to replace my mouse with voice recognition, which is IMHO the only interesting way to exploit it, then I might want to focus on a different text zone using my voice but then, I might have problem deciding which word to connect to which action, isn't it? --
Brussels MIDI/Zuid) train station is around 1 hour from Paris "Gare du Nord" which makes it quite quick and relatively cheap to join the Linux Expo and Brussels.
BTW, I lived in both town and I also invite cartoon lovers to make a stop at the cartoon museum ("Musee de la Bande Dessinee").
Lots of people have actually been looking forward to get Apple ergonomy at the cost of a cheap pc box.
I'd of course buy it if both Cubase and my Yamaha SW1000XG drivers were ported to it but until then I'll wait to see it improved.
The problem for apple is that their environment has to remain an object of desire as it will increase their hardware sales and fidelize their customers (Few Mac-ers actually change their hardware as often as pc-ers -especially windows-ers- do).
And, honestly, OSX on iMac doesn't seem to expensive, does it ? --
ppp still doesn't work on my laptop using a >2.4 kernel (i *know* how to compile it, thanks.)
my network card is still unrecognized
my sound chip (Maestro2E) start whizzing when the laptop becomes hotter than usual...
I don't have some free space to reiserfs-ize my root
and...
my 2.2.18 rocks damn' well...:-)
Why should I change ?
To discover the evil of technological inflation ?
No, thanks, I am not missing the windows community ? --
> So, instead of creating a possibility of distraction for the
> childs and spending more money for policemen, they wanted to
> install cameras to monitor everybodys movements.
Nobody did want to become policeman in this area.
> What a direct and senseful approach for a social problem.
> The crime rate doubled for what reasons?
> Because they didn't installed the cameras?
Not exactly :
The young understood that they had won :
Nobody would monitor them and no cop would come.
It had become an outlaw district.
So, the crime rate increased because they felt "allowed" to play
even more.
> Cellulars are a greater risk for privacy, unlike walking in
> public, you mustn't use them.
We agree on this point.
Good.
> Monitoring everybody in public places is a restriction on
> others liberty.
It is public and the one who monitors does it for public
purposes.
It is contextually okay, IMHO.
> I fear robbery less than the loss of privacy and
> self-determination.
Look around you :
You already lost it, and they manged to implant in your brain
the opposite feeling.
> Not that the latter is more possible, but You might have heard
> of the person in GB whose suicide was recorded by a
> surveillance camera and broadcasted on tv.
No, i don't have the television.
I nver listen to faits-divers, I lived enough among them.
> AFAIK, the only result of installing cameras has been that
> criminality has migrated to other areas were no cameras were
> installed.
So ?
At least some epicenters were dilluted, weren't they ?
> Maybe you should read George Orwells "1984".
Will it change my life or make me optimistic ? --
I lived in some districts in which young people usually feel bored and will burn any car on the parking in order to have some fun.
Once, the firemen came and the car's tank exploded while they were extinguisshing it.
the fireman lost his leg.
In the same place, there are dealers across all the place and the police office has a thick iron curtain (that I have not often seen open).
It has also been closed for 2 months several years ago as some people just burnt a car below it abd it had become too dangerous to work in.
When asked about setting some camera in this place, people just cried it was violating their rights. The police canceled this project and the crime rate has since doubled.
Did the people who protested know that their cellular phone was worse for their privacy?
I since moved to Switzerland and I heard about some cameras to be placed in a specific area of Bien in order to protect the prostitutes who were regularly aggressed. They specified they would not take any record but just use this to halp a single agent to monitor the whole area.
People also protested.
So they say : "La liberte des uns s'arrete la ou commence celle des autres" (one's liberty ends where one another's begin). I think cameras are a matter of social progress in public areas. We do need them : who wouldn't fear knowing his children are wandering in a dangerous, non-monitored area?
No comments. --
Especially after reading this in which Richard Stallman explains how a law put itself above the individual rights in Britain.
So, how can we ask a state to protect its citizens' privacy if it doesn't recognize it as a right?
--
Q6. Are any further releases of ksh planned? A6. Yes, we are in the process of planning for a newer version, ksh200X.
We are interested in suggestions for new features.
Again, most of the focus will be on scripting and reusability.
As I believe this poll is also aimed at defining these improvements I was thinking of the following:
Ksh is supposed to make people's life easier and I use it whenever integrating e-payment software on my servers.
I was then wondering whether some feature that I saw in VMS could be implemented in Ksh: directory-specific profiles.
For example, you log on and set your environment (profile) with your.profile. It'd be cool, IMHO to have the possibility (which could be activated or not whenever launching ksh) to set some.profile files in any directory so that by changing directories, one could easily update its configuration to the most relevant settings.
This would not only apply for a user working with the prompt but also whenever launching some specific scripts that are suppose to activate some binaries or whatever else somewhere.
This would then allow some context-sensitive programs to be automatically executed with a minimal knowledge of the environment.
So, I wouldn't have to say to the logged user to set their environement a given way whenever working or not with some apps.
BTW, some similar feature also exists on Acorn RiscOS platforms and really makes one's life easier.
I think this is not incompatible with Unix and may even widen its possibilities (from the user's point of view).
Finally, here's my question: Do you want to restrict Ksh to fit a stereotypic Posix environment look'n feel or are you working to make it a real enhancement of such systems, especially in ergonomy? --
Here's an extract regarding its strengths: pdksh's strong points are:
its free and quite portable - you should be able to compile it easily
on pretty much any unix box.
the vi editing mode is better (IMHO) than that of ksh88 or ksh93
(command/file completion using tab (optional), less buggy).
Its weak points are that there are still a few differences from ksh88
(the major one is that `echo hi | read x' does not set x
in the current shell - the read is done in a separate process).
See the NOTES file in the distribution for more details.
I do believe that you could both benefit from such a collaboration and BTW, I wonder if you plan to open source ksh ? --
Ksh is quite cool as it is much more compact than bash ; here are their respective sizes on a Solaris system:
->/usr/local/bin/bash -version
GNU bash, version 2.02.0(1)-release (sparc-sun-solaris2.6)
Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
-> ls -la/usr/local/bin/bash
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bin bin 3157516 Jul 14 1998/usr/local/bin/bash
# ksh -o emacs
# Version M-11/16/88i
# ls -la `which ksh`
-r-xr-xr-x 2 bin bin 186356 Jul 16 1997/usr/bin/ksh
On a Linux system, these are approximately 300k for bash and 160k for (pd)ksh.
In which direction do you plan to improve it ?
Will you rather keep it compact or extend its functionalities regardless the volume increase ?
This issue is quite important for me as, as of yet I am working upon some System-on-a-floppy distribution and the size appears to be critical in this context. --
How long will it be until beowulf clusters are stored in Geeks' pockets and dynamically reconnect themselves to the closest wireless network switch, regardless its standard ?
I believe this is not that futuristic. --
A few entries that I saw were mostly c programs converted to ascii art, which I believe is a pity as if reindented correctly this would not look as obfuscated as in previous contests.
I however enjoyed some entries, like PrimeNum which is an example of clean obfuscated code, despite its heavy use of preprocessing directives (BTW, even its own name is obfuscating as it has not much to do with prime numbers, even though its apparent algorithm is;-). Tomx is also interesting as it is a Makefile and a source file at the same time. --
> Ever tried Solaris?
I am sysadmin and I work with many many unices, including
Solaris, HP-Ux, AIX, Linux and QNX, I know which ones I prefer,
and I also know the best way to install a package is by doing a./configure ; make ; make install
> Well, yeah, that's what a default install is all about...
Maybe this is not how it should be...
> You can even keep your current install, I am sure it has got
> all the stable software you need.
So why woul I use SuSe, then ?
> > But why should I care when the Caldera eDesktop will just
> > make a clean an stable install of what I need ?
> Ok, why should you care?
This is a discussion forum, isn't it.
I am just pointing out that SuSe might have more useful things
to do to promote itself than put kernel 2.4 in its distro
> If it works for you, good for you.
Thanks, to you and to Caldera.
> And why should SuSE care about what you care?
Because I am a potential customer and I don't want to remain
attached to any specific distro, it is deontologically to keep
an eye on whoever in order to get a decent distro.
> > Else, they should follow their motto which is to bring Linux
> > to the non technical.
> Since when is that their moto?
Recently, I guess.
> This is Microsoft's moto (just replace Linux with Technology
>;o) I always thought their moto was:
> Put everything on the CD, get recent versions, poeple will buy
> it and get a newer version in one year.
Well, this wouldn't please most customers, especially the
corporations.
> Let's just be the best at doing that.
> I know it works for me...
Lucky you.
It messed my servers to try having apache perl running from
their distro (which worked directly with others). --
Ok Juju, my point is that the SuSe package install is a nightmare:
just choose some default install mode and you'll get zillions of megabytes full of redundant crap you'll mostly never use
do it efficiently but it will take hours remove packages you actually don't want and to resolve any dependencies.
So, yes, I could just avoid to install any beta package that I don't want but why should I care when the Caldera eDesktop will just make a clean an stable install of what I need ?
(And I don't tell about yast bug^H^H^Hissues...)
Else, they should follow their motto which is to bring Linux to the non technical.
How ?
By thinking configuraiton-wise instead of volume-wise.
Since 6.4 I have usually been disappointed by SuSe... I seriously wonder if I'll ever try their distrib anymore and my final point on this article is that kernel 2.4 is not the right thing to announce to the community.
They'd rather announce that they stabilized their distro and made it simple.
Slashdot Mirror
It is funny to see that this story appears after we heard lots about Napster issues with file marking.
I just wonder whether this story is FUD... After all, it is Napster's interest to discourage their userbase to migrate to GNUtella.
Of course, there could also be a real bug somewhere....
--
- Napster will tag downloaded files on the fly...
- Any file, even Public Domain or "GNUArt'ed"
- Most Napster user download less and less stuff as they usually look for what they want, not "anything available"
So, concerning the first point, this only goes for future downloads, so, my current 24 CD full of MP3 stuff are not encrypted in any way, am I right ?I also think this is the same with most people, so, statistically, who can say that:
- It won't be the same for current Napster addicts who have plenty of MP3 they can still share?
- There won't be somebody to just add some filtering on Napster client in order to just ignore "tagged" files?
So, yes, this won't change much except that only the "latest" songs will be available.Now, I just wonder whether somebody actually tracked a Napster song in order to evaluates how many times it is actually downloaded? Maybe this information would just show the Napster people how useless (or useful ?) this is going to be...
Or maybe their forthcoming "tagging" will be a way for them to perform such statistics as their model is centralized.
Until then, I'll switch to GNUtella.
--
LispMe is available here
I prefer it to Python as it doesn't involve the regular usage of exotic Graffiti characters but now that other languages are finally coming,I just can't wait to have a Forth on my PalmIII!
--
So, did they patent this because they really felt they invented something revolutionary (in which case they're idiots) or because they wanted to make money as quickly as the ones who patented the one-click buy?
--
This is an ethical problem and RMS does an outstanding job defending our rights.
Though inhabitual, his position concerning Open Source is right and coherent: You *can't* fight for Freedom if you accept concessions with what you describe as *bad*.
Now, if RMS'positions often regard computer science, it is because he is working in this area now, the real question is "can we have our innovation and creativity biaised by financial interests ?"
How can we doubtlessly agree when we see a company patenting something not because it is revolutionary but because it is common sense?
In such case, we all know "they" patent it because of the money they get out of it, they patent it as marketers, not as scientists nor artists.
So, when will they patent laws?
They actually started, it is called the ISO standard and we all know how much royalties we have to pay to grant this "honour" to an organization. ISO9xxx standards are hinderences to evolution.
The GPL can actually be applied to many domains such as Art (try this too). If we want to progress, we have to share, if we want to share, we need to renounce to any mark of property. Or to share the discovery's rights with any person who directly or not contributed to it, which is equivalent to sharing it with the whole universe and is reflected by the GPL.
I say "Go on, Richard, I am standing with you".
--
I'd like to put my APM onunder Linux but I have not been that lucky until now :-(
It is not even able to shut down properly.
--
What about its power consumption ?
Will it be suitable in a normal 14" screened laptop ?
Also, a 10000-hour life means approx 2-3 years for my Linux laptop. Isn't this a bit short compared to the price ?
--
- I've been told that they may speak to me,
- and may also talk to the company I currently work for.
(1) is not bad, they want to talk.Maybe to know more about what you reproach them with.
but...
(2) *sounds* bad.
because:
But if you gave enough details about this company to let some private information concerning them filter out to the public, it is obvious you might have problems, so, ensure you remained politically correct or you might be sued for diffamation.
--
A huge advantage that TWM has over the others WM is his lightness : ;-)
You can use TWM/X-VGA server with no problem on any old laptop. It is damn' stable and especially saved many computosaurus from the dust-bin, here.
(when someone visits our firewall rooms, he actually think he is in a computer museum
--
when we will have wearable, I'll then see my pointer more often on my female colleague's ass than on my source code window ;-)
--
Sorry to bother you with this but how the Hell do you focus on a given widget with a voice recognition system ?
Do you just say "<TAB>" ?
I don't really like it.
If I type quicker than I speak and I want to replace my mouse with voice recognition, which is IMHO the only interesting way to exploit it, then I might want to focus on a different text zone using my voice but then, I might have problem deciding which word to connect to which action, isn't it?
--
Brussels MIDI /Zuid) train station is around 1 hour from Paris "Gare du Nord" which makes it quite quick and relatively cheap to join the Linux Expo and Brussels.
BTW, I lived in both town and I also invite cartoon lovers to make a stop at the cartoon museum ("Musee de la Bande Dessinee").
--
- NeXTstep on x86
- then Openstep
- then Yellow Box
- also Copland ?
- etc.
Lots of people have actually been looking forward to get Apple ergonomy at the cost of a cheap pc box.I'd of course buy it if both Cubase and my Yamaha SW1000XG drivers were ported to it but until then I'll wait to see it improved.
The problem for apple is that their environment has to remain an object of desire as it will increase their hardware sales and fidelize their customers (Few Mac-ers actually change their hardware as often as pc-ers -especially windows-ers- do).
And, honestly, OSX on iMac doesn't seem to expensive, does it ?
--
- ppp still doesn't work on my laptop using a >2.4 kernel (i *know* how to compile it, thanks.)
- my network card is still unrecognized
- my sound chip (Maestro2E) start whizzing when the laptop becomes hotter than usual...
- I don't have some free space to reiserfs-ize my root
and...my 2.2.18 rocks damn' well...
Why should I change ?
To discover the evil of technological inflation ?
No, thanks, I am not missing the windows community ?
--
> So, instead of creating a possibility of distraction for the > childs and spending more money for policemen, they wanted to > install cameras to monitor everybodys movements. Nobody did want to become policeman in this area. > What a direct and senseful approach for a social problem. > The crime rate doubled for what reasons? > Because they didn't installed the cameras? Not exactly : The young understood that they had won : Nobody would monitor them and no cop would come. It had become an outlaw district. So, the crime rate increased because they felt "allowed" to play even more. > Cellulars are a greater risk for privacy, unlike walking in > public, you mustn't use them. We agree on this point. Good. > Monitoring everybody in public places is a restriction on > others liberty. It is public and the one who monitors does it for public purposes. It is contextually okay, IMHO. > I fear robbery less than the loss of privacy and > self-determination. Look around you : You already lost it, and they manged to implant in your brain the opposite feeling. > Not that the latter is more possible, but You might have heard > of the person in GB whose suicide was recorded by a > surveillance camera and broadcasted on tv. No, i don't have the television. I nver listen to faits-divers, I lived enough among them. > AFAIK, the only result of installing cameras has been that > criminality has migrated to other areas were no cameras were > installed. So ? At least some epicenters were dilluted, weren't they ? > Maybe you should read George Orwells "1984". Will it change my life or make me optimistic ?
--
I lived in some districts in which young people usually feel bored and will burn any car on the parking in order to have some fun.
Once, the firemen came and the car's tank exploded while they were extinguisshing it.
the fireman lost his leg.
In the same place, there are dealers across all the place and the police office has a thick iron curtain (that I have not often seen open).
It has also been closed for 2 months several years ago as some people just burnt a car below it abd it had become too dangerous to work in.
When asked about setting some camera in this place, people just cried it was violating their rights. The police canceled this project and the crime rate has since doubled.
Did the people who protested know that their cellular phone was worse for their privacy?
I since moved to Switzerland and I heard about some cameras to be placed in a specific area of Bien in order to protect the prostitutes who were regularly aggressed. They specified they would not take any record but just use this to halp a single agent to monitor the whole area.
People also protested.
So they say : "La liberte des uns s'arrete la ou commence celle des autres" (one's liberty ends where one another's begin). I think cameras are a matter of social progress in public areas. We do need them : who wouldn't fear knowing his children are wandering in a dangerous, non-monitored area? No comments.
--
Especially after reading this in which Richard Stallman explains how a law put itself above the individual rights in Britain.
So, how can we ask a state to protect its citizens' privacy if it doesn't recognize it as a right?
--
I just read the ksh FAQ and I found this :
.profile. It'd be cool, IMHO to have the possibility (which could be activated or not whenever launching ksh) to set some .profile files in any directory so that by changing directories, one could easily update its configuration to the most relevant settings.
Q6. Are any further releases of ksh planned?
A6. Yes, we are in the process of planning for a newer version, ksh200X.
We are interested in suggestions for new features.
Again, most of the focus will be on scripting and reusability.
As I believe this poll is also aimed at defining these improvements I was thinking of the following:
Ksh is supposed to make people's life easier and I use it whenever integrating e-payment software on my servers.
I was then wondering whether some feature that I saw in VMS could be implemented in Ksh: directory-specific profiles.
For example, you log on and set your environment (profile) with your
This would not only apply for a user working with the prompt but also whenever launching some specific scripts that are suppose to activate some binaries or whatever else somewhere.
This would then allow some context-sensitive programs to be automatically executed with a minimal knowledge of the environment.
So, I wouldn't have to say to the logged user to set their environement a given way whenever working or not with some apps.
BTW, some similar feature also exists on Acorn RiscOS platforms and really makes one's life easier.
I think this is not incompatible with Unix and may even widen its possibilities (from the user's point of view).
Finally, here's my question: Do you want to restrict Ksh to fit a stereotypic Posix environment look'n feel or are you working to make it a real enhancement of such systems, especially in ergonomy?
--
Here's an extract regarding its strengths:
pdksh's strong points are:
- its free and quite portable - you should be able to compile it easily
on pretty much any unix box.
- the vi editing mode is better (IMHO) than that of ksh88 or ksh93
(command/file completion using tab (optional), less buggy).
Its weak points are that there are still a few differences from ksh88 (the major one is that `echo hi | read x' does not set x in the current shell - the read is done in a separate process). See the NOTES file in the distribution for more details.I do believe that you could both benefit from such a collaboration and BTW, I wonder if you plan to open source ksh ?
--
Do you collaborate (or plan to) with the pdksh development team ?
--
-
->
/usr/local/bin/bash -version
/usr/local/bin/bash /usr/local/bin/bash
-
# ksh -o emacs
/usr/bin/ksh
On a Linux system, these are approximately 300k for bash and 160k for (pd)ksh.GNU bash, version 2.02.0(1)-release (sparc-sun-solaris2.6)
Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
-> ls -la
-rwxr-xr-x 1 bin bin 3157516 Jul 14 1998
# Version M-11/16/88i
# ls -la `which ksh`
-r-xr-xr-x 2 bin bin 186356 Jul 16 1997
In which direction do you plan to improve it ?
Will you rather keep it compact or extend its functionalities regardless the volume increase ?
This issue is quite important for me as, as of yet I am working upon some System-on-a-floppy distribution and the size appears to be critical in this context.
--
How long will it be until beowulf clusters are stored in Geeks' pockets and dynamically reconnect themselves to the closest wireless network switch, regardless its standard ?
I believe this is not that futuristic.
--
A few entries that I saw were mostly c programs converted to ascii art, which I believe is a pity as if reindented correctly this would not look as obfuscated as in previous contests. ;-).
I however enjoyed some entries, like PrimeNum which is an example of clean obfuscated code, despite its heavy use of preprocessing directives (BTW, even its own name is obfuscating as it has not much to do with prime numbers, even though its apparent algorithm is
Tomx is also interesting as it is a Makefile and a source file at the same time.
--
> Ever tried Solaris? I am sysadmin and I work with many many unices, including Solaris, HP-Ux, AIX, Linux and QNX, I know which ones I prefer, and I also know the best way to install a package is by doing a ./configure ; make ; make install
> Well, yeah, that's what a default install is all about...
Maybe this is not how it should be...
> You can even keep your current install, I am sure it has got
> all the stable software you need.
So why woul I use SuSe, then ?
> > But why should I care when the Caldera eDesktop will just
> > make a clean an stable install of what I need ?
> Ok, why should you care?
This is a discussion forum, isn't it.
I am just pointing out that SuSe might have more useful things
to do to promote itself than put kernel 2.4 in its distro
> If it works for you, good for you.
Thanks, to you and to Caldera.
> And why should SuSE care about what you care?
Because I am a potential customer and I don't want to remain
attached to any specific distro, it is deontologically to keep
an eye on whoever in order to get a decent distro.
> > Else, they should follow their motto which is to bring Linux
> > to the non technical.
> Since when is that their moto?
Recently, I guess.
> This is Microsoft's moto (just replace Linux with Technology
> ;o) I always thought their moto was:
> Put everything on the CD, get recent versions, poeple will buy
> it and get a newer version in one year.
Well, this wouldn't please most customers, especially the
corporations.
> Let's just be the best at doing that.
> I know it works for me...
Lucky you.
It messed my servers to try having apache perl running from
their distro (which worked directly with others).
--
- just choose some default install mode and you'll get zillions of megabytes full of redundant crap you'll mostly never use
- do it efficiently but it will take hours remove packages you actually don't want and to resolve any dependencies.
So, yes, I could just avoid to install any beta package that I don't want but why should I care when the Caldera eDesktop will just make a clean an stable install of what I need ?(And I don't tell about yast bug^H^H^Hissues...)
Else, they should follow their motto which is to bring Linux to the non technical.
How ?
By thinking configuraiton-wise instead of volume-wise.
Since 6.4 I have usually been disappointed by SuSe... I seriously wonder if I'll ever try their distrib anymore and my final point on this article is that kernel 2.4 is not the right thing to announce to the community.
They'd rather announce that they stabilized their distro and made it simple.
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