These creatures normally thrive unseen by humans at great depths. With the ocean currents and the resultng temperature levels changing, I imagine we'll continue seeing mixed up wildlife.
If even half of what you posted was true, many US Citizens that speak out against Bush would be in jail, the fact that they are not proves that not only are they wrong, but so are you.
What on Earth are you talking about? And all of what I posted was true. There are case examples for each one. Just because the Bush government hasn't started making mass arrests doesn't mean that the things I posted are false.
--Though, you'd be a fool to discount the possibility of mass arrests. Based on the patterns being followed by the Bush Admin, unless something changes, you'll see it.
Dollars to donuts when Al Aqeda recruits someone to do a suicide bombing in the USA, it will more likely be someone like you who hates the USA that does the suicide bombing.
Are you a Troll pretending to be insane, or are you really insane? --Because it's exactly that kind of thinking which is driving the dissolution of the U.S. Paranoia feeding the desire to control people.
And for the record, I think the U.S. is a wonderful place. I just don't like the government or the military industrial complex.
f the liberals have their way, this will become a Nanny State or a Prison Nation in that we are told what to eat, how to behave, and how to act.
180 degree double take. A Prison Nation where we are highly controled through fear? How on earth can you blame liberals for the things the Bush administration is working like mad to implement right now? Have you not been paying attention to the play by play? Need proof? Try taking a walk through downtown New York wearing a head scarf and take a bunch of tourist photos sometime. Try lighting up in a public place and see what happens. Try preventing your kids from being immunized in some states. Try owning a gun in others. Try getting an abortion for your girlfriend. Try wearing a teeshirt which says "Impeach Bush" to the Whitehouse. Heck, try buying Organic food, (the Bush government just made it legal for non-organic food producers to use the Organic label.) Try taking a book out of the library about how to blow stuff up. Try making a phone call through AT&T and expecting privacy. And on and on.
In this case the Surgeon General took money from the pro-global warming lobbyists [. ..]
Give me a break. You can't back that up. The Surgeon General doesn't even have the power to do anything about fossil fuel emissions. Heck, the major sticking point had more to do with Stem Cell research than anything else.
I don't think Wester Medicine is all too great, and I'm not even a liberal. (I don't play the tweedle dee and tweedle dum political division game.) --But I have noticed that people who cleave to the conservative side often exist in a state of perpetual delusion and anger.
Take a deep breath and rethink your statements because they don't make sense.
With a trusting outlook like that, I hope your kidneys work a helluva lot better than mine. You're gonna need 'em.
Why would I need them any more than you? --I've never heard of kidney damage resulting from nicotine. Or from coffee and hot sauce, for that matter.
Your body is an amazing tool; designed to adventure through the world and feed your spirit experiences from which to grow and learn. Use it or miss out on the world through over-caution.
All ships are safe in harbor, but that's not what ships are for. . .
Yes, but capsaicin is not a toxin. It stimulates nerve pain receptors specifically, causing a false pain reaction. There is no actual tissue damage occurring. The reason so many people become addicted to hot peppers is because even that false pain signal induces production of endorphins in the brain, so those pepper-popping fools are actually getting a high from doing it. But it's not a toxin like nicotine is. Further, the applications which they're proposing for nicotine in TFA have little resemblance to any folk remedies that might have been based upon it. Your argument might have some generalized truth to it, but not in this instance.
Nicotine doesn't cause tissue damage. Like capsaicin, it also alters the condition of the nervous system. It can kill you in a slightly lager dose. But so can caffine. Do you also consider coffee drinkers to be fools?
Heck, oxygen is a toxin. It's one of the most corrosive substances on the planet. For a long time, Life avoided using it until it figured out how to do so.
Most drugs, if not all of them, will cause harm in dosages which are too high. Chemicals are tools the same way knives are both tools and weapons. They are not something to be frightened of or judged as 'bad' simply by looking at one application of them. The choice in how you apply the material existing in your world is up to you.
If GW gave them the okay and they can prove this, and the people making the film invested time and resources into the project in the belief that they were allowed to, only to have the plug yanked, then that puts them in a position to sue for their time and money.
It seems ridiculous to even suggest that one should fight with the very group that inspired them, though. The whole world-wide hoopola over intellectual property we're investing so much time and anxiety into these days is totally nuts. --I've talked to teachers who tell their kids not to copy pictures out of books because it's copyright infringement. How crazy is that?
Of course, I also find it interesting to note that War Hammer is all about hyper-competitiveness, focusing every last atom of one's soul upon the annihilation of your opponents. With that kind of crazy-selfish thinking, is it any wonder GW is acting this way? "I AM THE KING OF THE HILL. MINE! ALL MINE! NOW, DIE!!!"
You don't see the Harry Potter franchise trying to stomp out fan fics. Or who knows? Maybe you do. The world is crazy enough.
I guess the difference is that many new drugs are shots in the dark, whereas there has been a huge, planet-wide clinical trial of nicotine going on for centuries. We know what it does, and people may not know the chemistry, but they know why they use it and how it affects them. I really do think that people unconsciously seek out the things which their bodies can use to stay in balance; like a pregnant woman knows with such specific candor what foods she must eat in order to provide the correct nutrition to their babies, (women who are low in calcium sometimes crave chalk, others road salt; I saw a vegetarian woman wolf down a pound of beef every day for two solid weeks when she was pregnant). I suspect this principal extends to the pharmaceutical world to some degree.
As for trusted drugs versus shots in the dark, Asparine is one of the most trusted drugs we have, and it was derived in much the same way as our understanding of nicotine; used by people before it was isolated. Native Americans chewed a bark which contained the active ingredient for asparine to deal with pain. It is perhaps significant that Tobacco was also used by the natives Americans.
Nicotine being a biological toxin is interesting, but hardly something to be afraid of. The active ingredient used in hot sauce was developed by plants as a defense mechanism as well, but we put that in our food!
1. The Filter. --One of the more harmful elements in cigarette smoking is the filter; loose fibers from the filter which are.3 microns in length have the remarkable ability to lodge in your lungs and never come out again. Much like asbestos, this can cause problems. Unlike asbestos, fibers from cigarette filters also come coated with toxins in smoke tar. I recently read a study, (blowed if I can find it again), which found that small cancers in the lungs typically had a tar-coated filter fiber at their center.
2. Additives. --In looking at the toxicity issue with regard to tobacco, I have noted that it is incredibly common for people to ignore the fact that cigarette companies use an assortment of 500 additives into their products, many of which are known carcinogens. When studies are done on the toxicity of tobacco smoke, this detail is often left unmentioned. Are they testing tobacco per se, or are they testing corporate tobacco?
3. Radioactive tobacco leaves. --Your basic cigarette probably came from a farm which used phosphate fertilizer, known to contain radioactive metals. After years of use, these radioactive metals build up in the soil to high concentrations. Many foods are similarly affected, but you don't smoke most foods. This element of tobacco is considered by those who have studied the issue to be one of the leading reasons smoking can cause cancer.
You can buy organic tobacco, and you can smoke it in a pipe. No filter, no deliberately added poisons and no radioactive particles. I wonder if they've ever done health tests on this kind of tobacco smoke.
Probably not.
Here are some more points. ..
1. Pavlovian Responses to stress indicate that when you raise the anxiety level in a subject to the breaking point, you can then easily insert a new set of behaviors which become locked into place. ..
Pavlov demonstrated that when Transmarginal Inhibition began to take over a dog, a condition similar to hysteria in a human manifested. The applications of these findings to human psychology suggest that for a "conversion" to be effective, it is necessary to work on the subject's emotions until s/he reaches an abnormal condition of fear, anger or exaltation. If such a state is maintained or intensified by any of various means, hysteria is the result. In a state of hysteria, a human being is abnormally suggestible and influences in the environment can cause one set of behavior patterns to be replaced by another without any need for persuasive indoctrination. In states of fear and excitement, normally sensible human beings will accept the most wildly improbably suggestions. [. ..] Most of Pavlov's findings applicable to Mind Control are reported in a series of Pavlov's later lectures translated by Horsley Gantt, published in Great Britain and the United States in 1941 under the title "Conditioned Reflexes and Psychiatry." [5] Professor Y. P. Frolov's book about these experiments, Pavlov and His School [6] has also been translated into English. Article here
2. Tobacco smoke quickly lowers stress and anxiety and feelings of anger. It is one of the only two commonly used drugs on the market which while increasing clarity of thinking does not affect judgment. (Caffeine is the other). Old native bands meeting to discuss problems would all first smoke before opening their meeting, (hence, the "peace pipe"). Tobacco lent itself well to averting unnecessary anger and anxiety. In a world like ours today when fear is regularly promoted in such a way which guides the decisions and acceptance of the public with regard to international policy, knowledge
Blogs? First of all, that's a highly irritating word. It just sounds dumb. Heck if you replaced the word "dumb" with "blog" the sound would still describe the feeling behind "dumb". Sounds like what it is. "God, he's so blog!"
A derivation from the words "Web Log". Fine. But why not, "User Comments"? (Ucom's, Ucomer) or, "Internet Journal" (IJ's, IJ writer.) Or heck, "Internet Log", (Ilog's, I-logger.) They sound sharper and more upbeat. "Blogger"? sounds like a low IQ fella who lumbers into things and doesn't know when to quit.
But despite all of that. . , the idea of people expressing their thoughts on an instantly accessible world-wide forum is so cool! -And inevitable, given the medium.
Because often, it's not the data itself which is valuable, but the connections a person can make within the data. Throw a pile of data at everybody on the planet who has an internet connection, and see what comes back. Now, that's exciting! Connections are the light which guides human creativity. If one guy sees an illuminating connection, then heck yeah, I'm all for his or her being able to share it with the globe.
In depth articles are fine, and indeed, necessary, but they are like the data which enters the brain. The rest of internet is the brain. You want to accept an article at face value or do you want to think about it first? What's more important? The eyes or the brain?
You do not understand the theory in the slightest. You do not even know enough to know whether you disagree with it. Your criticisms are utterly incoherent and sophomoric.
A sophomore, eh? Incoherent, eh? Oh, now you can't just throw juicy words like that around without backing them up with a couple of explanations. I hear they require that of students with grad level pretensions. Or, pardon me, but are you beyond such mundane things? Sigh. It must be nice to be able to throw hot accusations and have them stick without any requirement of validation on your part.
You see, I do actually have a rather clear understanding of the principal, and I think if you will re-read my junior antics, you will see that I am not actually trying to disagree or agree with the theory, but rather discuss how the theory fits with the phenomenon of conscious intention. Quantum theory rests in part on possibilities collapsing upon measurement, which means the state of the observer plays a significant role, which implies choice.
But I suppose that's just par for the course for someone who thinks the universe bends to their whim.
What? The universe does not bend to your whim? Gee. I can't even imagine what your life must be like! --What do you do, for instance, when you are thirsty? --When I feel like having a drink of water, I simply make an empty glass fill up with water. I make the Universe obey my whim!
Oh, I'm sorry. Was that too sophomoric for you? (Translation: annoyingly valid in a way which makes my well-ordered high-brow ducks waddle around noisily, but stated in such a way which is so. . , uneducated that I simply cannot dignify it with a gentleman's response. Quick! Lovey-dear, I think the help has been reading again. Give the cheeky villain a swat on his rear, will you? Heaven knows, only a properly trained man can responsibly manage knowledge. There's no telling what an unrestrained mind not adequately paddled into a civilized state of submission might do with an idea!)
How do you explain the existence of contract lawyers? You know; people highly trained and well paid to spend their days understanding how to read and write small print. --If every working Joe was fully trained in the reading and understanding of deliberately deceptive small print in deliberately confusing contractual agreements, then why, oh, why do we have contract lawyers and schools dedicated to teaching contract lawyers?
Some people who sign contracts are not the same as you; they might be, say for example, overwrought working parents who may not have the same time and ability to focus their attention that you enjoy. Some people didn't have the proper nutrition or the same educational opportunities while growing up that you did, and so have fewer skills with regard to understanding the technical minutia in contractual agreements. Or are you suggesting the people who are not like you should be punished in some kind of 'Survival of the Fittest' line of myopic thinking? Should people who are not the same as you be fed to the sharks? I disagree, especially when 'Fittest' actually means, 'born to parents who happened to grow up in the right place and the right time with the right skin colour.'
I've met sharp-witted poor people who are among some of the hardest working humans on the planet, and I've met dull as doorknob rich people who are not, so 'lazy' and 'unfit' are piss-poor generalizations against people who aren't as advantaged as you. --That's a pre-emptive, "Don't even go there," in case you were wondering.
There is more than one kind of person on this planet; and thank goodness for that! Otherwise we'd have a world filled with tight-ass conservatives. The world would be missing good sex, 95% of the creative arts, spicy food and automobiles which come, "in any colour we want so long as it's black". In other words, the world would run like a Swiss watch, but there would be little appeal in actually being alive there.
Which is to say. . , some people spend their time developing skills other than the understanding of legal fine print and technology. Thank goodness!
Corporations which go to lengths to exploit people, and even create weakness in people which can then later be exploited, should not be held blameless while those they harm are sneered at for not being white and rich and mono-cultured enough.
If quantum immortality's suppositions are true, you are simply wrong. You wouldn't get to chose what to experience because the set of things you won't experience in some worldline is empty.
Empty of me, at any rate.
I don't exist in all realities. A reality where life is silicone based means my carbon based form wouldn't be there. A reality where I'd exist as a result of choices I don't make means I wouldn't be in that one either. Math is a binding formality across all realities; 2 + 2 is always 4, no matter where you go, and in some realities, I'm a 3 to that equation which means the quantum possibility won't be able to materialize. --Or rather, God's awareness would have to manifest in a manner more appropriate and fitting; a version of me who DID make the necessary choices and who is built to exist in accordance with the local physics, all of which would presuppose a suitable version of me who exists there willingly. So it's not a problem either way.
Life is suffering. If the mutliverse is true, then absolute hell really does exist in one instance of a Universe. If QI is true, is there ever really a way to escape 'reality'? Does everyone experience every form of existence for eternity? or instead do some of us go into loops of existence, and never escape the loop? Can we direct our path to a desirable loop?
Your willpower and intent allow you to chart your own course through reality. Hell is a very small and abstract concept, a creation of this world. Focus on it, and you might get to visit, so why bother? As the Jedi say, "Your focus determines your reality." So true!
The universe is a really scary place when you sit down and think about it. It puts your own desires into perspective.
You are infinite and you get to choose. How is that scary? You are currently here in this reality. Is that so bad? You are learning amazing lessons and having amazing experiences. Your job is to be God's eyes, ears and hands in the reality you currently exist in. It is your job to experience your life and make choices. That's it. Suffering is relative, and I don't know why the Buddhists are so obsessed with it. All there is are lessons. Until you learn how to do things in a way which doesn't hurt, you will make choices that cause you to hurt. It's a simple bio feed-back mechanism which teaches appropriate behavior. Nothing to be afraid of. People happily play video games which operate on the same principal.
The big choice to make right now is this: Are you primarily in service to others, or are you primarily in service to yourself?
I rather like Buddhism, but I have found that there is no need to label one's belief as 'Buddhist', or anything else for that matter. The operating system of the universe does not care what you call it or who has labeled it in the past. There are elements of Buddhist thinking which don't ring true for me, so who needs 'em? Others make a lot of sense. --And there are ideas from other practices which also make a lot of sense. And since they all exist in the same universe, they must all fit together on some level. Along with your own personal observations, it's a fun process to build your own hybrid understanding of the underlying rule-system of the Universe.
In this version of reality, the journey is a personal one. You are your own final authority must come from your own perspective.
As long as we in this country worship at the altar of the almighty dollar, and sell our government to the highest bidder, expect no different. Again, your choice... always has been, always will be.
Unfortunately, the only way to go about making any radical changes at this point is to physically drag out the entire ruling elite and their political dogs and hang them. This tends to lead to decade or more of civil war and strife, and people hate that. It's so uncomfortable. So things have to get really bad before they resort to it, at which point all the ruling elite flee to England to wait out the unrest while the people tend to get strange and hang and mutilate each other in their frenzy for revenge.
Humans are a weird and disturbing species.
I think the best way to manage is to simply not play the game. There are lots of ways of living a happy and selfless life while ignoring the rules placed down by the Military Industrial Complex.
But you have to educate yourself first. Find out how you're being screwed with before you can avoid being screwed.
No shit! Wow. I'd always imagined somebody clutching a rope to help pull whatever load their team has invested in. That's etymology from childhood to be sure.
I remember seeing a squirrel in the early Spring, and its Winter coat was coming off in a really funny way; from it's nose to its mid-section, it was sleek with only short, new hair. From it's belly to its tail, was an inch-thick coat of Winter fur all the way round. It looked like two halves of two different squirrels attached in the middle.
I laughed and said, "Hey, look! A Half-Breed squirrel!"
My friend looked at me and said, "Wow. That's the sort of thing which could confuse a small child for a long time!" There were no kids present, but it stuck in my head as a great example.
Anyway, thanks! You learn something new every day!
How fucking stupid are you? Stop assuming people lie just because you do.
And yet I notice you're still checking up to see what I have to say. And, please, but I don't lie. You cannot point to anything I've said which constitutes a deliberate intention to mislead. You're just angry and flailing around grabbing for any accusation to throw whether or not it makes any sense.
I am having an increasingly difficult time not picturing you as an animated character about a foot and a half tall with a big mouth and a runny nose. And a beanie with a propeller on top.
--Look, if you want to call names and spin around holding your hands over your ears while hollering nonsensical abuse at the world, then you may do so. That's your choice. But that kind of behavior leads to one living in a bubble-reality while the rest of the world gets on with their lives, perhaps taking a moment to glance in your direction and shake their heads in bafflement.
I don't know about this guy. He seems kind of insane. I wonder if English his first language, because he posts like a lunatic. I looked at the website you linked to. . .
I, Joseph Newman, have repeatedly stated that mass means NOTHING if it does not have a MECHANICAL UNDERSTANDING . The equation for horsepower of rotating motor shaft so PROVES - "ft. lbs X rpm divided by 5252 = HP". Yet that equation does not designate the TIME of said horsepower. Constant of mass - rpm implies horsepower per minute.
James Watt in the late 1700s who established the HP as a unit of measurement specifically stated that such a measurement was dependent upon TIME: "33,000 lbs 1 ft. per MINUTE."
Accordingly, the HP of a rotating shaft must be measured in HP per minute of rotating shaft or, in shorthand, HP of rotating shaft per SECOND. ["550 lbs 1 ft. per second."]
I show you now a simple MECHANICAL explanation of HP per second of TRUTH: Take a shaft and attach it to the center of 1 ft radius [2 ft. diameter] pulley. Now imagine that you rotate the shaft of one full rotation of 360 degrees in one SECOND. Then "you" have lifted 550 lbs 6.283 ft in one second! ["1 ft. radius gives 6.283 ft in circumference"] That is, 6.283 HP per second! Per rotation of shaft! Multiply by [60 rpm] 60 SECONDS that is 376.98 HP per MINUTE!
Said above is WRONG! Vague conventional HP equation gives only 6.283 HP per MINUTE!
The TRUTH of MECHANICAL explanation given by me has been applied to rotating shaft of 400 lb magnetic rotary of my revolutionary motor that will shock the world in the immediate future. IT WILL PROVE WHO IS THE MASTER OF MY REVOLUTIONARY ENERGY INVENTION!
I mean, I don't want to judge the man without knowing more, and there's certainly something to be said for the creative genius who is so into his work that he cannot fit in with the rest of humanity. I've known a few people like this who really did have some brilliant ideas, so I know you can't write off people like Newman without looking at their work. But he really needs a publicist or somebody to act as a buffer between himself and the world at large. People who can't write proper sentences and use too many all-caps and who say things with such ego-mania really are hard to take seriously. But mania is like that; it makes you so excited and the ideas fly through your head so quickly that something as mundane as typing becomes an exercise in the impossible. That's what Mr. Newman sounds like to me.
I'd be interested in knowing what level-headed people who have seen and tested his work think of what he has done.
Everybody is cranking out lots of criticisms and such, but you just know everybody is still going to be paying attention on July 5th!
Typically with over-unity claims which actually make the news, there is a big press release and gab-fest, and then a few weeks later the inventor vanishes from view never to be heard from again.
I recall one gentleman in Japan, Kohei Minato, three years back who had managed to garner a lot of positive press with his funky spinning wheels. He had an Irish minister of some sort pay him a visit and descriptions of his free-spinning wheel are really cool. (The coolest item is in the last fifth of the page at the bottom.) He generated some modest interest in 2004 when a journalist was significantly impressed with his work and published an article (copied at the link above). I wonder what happened to Mr. Minato. I've not heard a peep about him since then. If he's in jail, it's not the kind you get put in for fraud, because then there would be some record of his being prosecuted. Perhaps its one of those special prisons they have for people who dare to tap into some forbidden energy source the petrochem companies don't want anybody to know about. There are tales of inventors being kidnapped at gunpoint. I know a guy who worked for an agency whose job it is to kill scientists. But hey, shhhhh. Stuff like is entirely not real. I'm only joking. Really. Joking. Shhhh. Plausible deniablility. Cuz the guy is just gone. There's nothing on the man that isn't three years old.
Well, actually, I did hear one peep. There was a fellow inquiring after Minato, claiming to have last seen him in Japan in December of 2006. Apparently, Mr. Minato has been offered a production facility in another country. But that could be just the background noise of the grand ol' internet. Who's to say?
Anyway. . , if this Orbo thing is a scam, you can bet it's a great one. Their showing has been really patient and well-crafted thus far. I'm so happy they're still around a year after their first announcement. I mean, think about how much effort is being expended here; it involves a large number of people who are all towing the line. Scientists, and production staff, and PR people. If this is a scam, it's much, much larger than any other over-unity claim, which usually only involve one or two people working in a garage. According the the wonderful world of wikkipedia, Steorn invited a democratically selected member of a forum to visit their facility, and they wowed her with a bunch of smoke and mirrors. This is so rich! Damn, I'm excited!
I wonder, if it's all scammy, how they've worked out how to not go to jail for fraud? Is it illegal to lie to your investors? Maybe they'll all claim it was just an elaborate test of the PR abilities, a cosmic joke to see who they could fool, and that really, no money changed hands. Who knows?
Or if they've got some kind of device on their hands which draws energy from somewhere else, like the Earth's magnetic field as some have suggested, then. . , hey, is that cool or what? They've done enough high-profile press work to perhaps not get vanished. (Though I wouldn't count on it.) Either way, Steorn is putting on a helluva neat show. This is pulp science at its best! It reminds me of my favorite period in fiction; the late 1700's, early 1800's, when steam and flying contraptions and "Watson, get the pistols!" was the way science was conducted. A showing of a revolutionary new technology in an art gallery? Are you serious?! Well, damn, let me get my top hat and cane! These days are sorely lacking adventure in science. Too few pith helmets and too much slick corporate chrome.
So, rock-on, Steron! I can't wait to see what you pull out of your hat! And if you actually have something genuine, a word of advice: Opensourcing it would keep you from getting killed by the Bad Men. If you don't have
--That he was smart enough to come up with it, but not smart enough to use it properly?
Or could it be that the damned thing just doesn't work very well?
Occam's razor has a major flaw, and it is this: The person using it can only reason based on the knowledge s/he currently has available. That knowledge is ALWAYS incomplete, which means their reasoning is never beyond fault. To use the razor to eliminate entire areas of knowledge is unwise in the extreme.
Occam's razor can, when applied correctly, be a useful tool to help round down less-likely possibilities, but it is also a convenient tool (ab)used by sceptics to condemn things which they are not comfortable thinking about but which, when it comes right down to it, they cannot actually logically write off.
Here's one application of Occam which does appear to work somewhat. . .
1. You know everything and none of your assumptions are wrong, you have no internal fear-based blockages and you never fall prey to logical fallacies. 2. You are a human being capable of flaw.
You just love insulting people, don't you. Well, I do too. We know very little about each other and although I could make a great many assumptions about you, they would be as equally erroneous as the ones you seem to have made about me. After seeing your name, I recognized we've made comments back and forth of equally insulting nature. Would I be making an erroneous assumption that you are a disturbed individual based on the nature of your personal attacks on me?
Either I'm a far more terrible person than I think I am, or you're mis-interpreting my comments.
I just re-read my last post, and I really don't think I said anything which was insulting to you. I made very sure to qualify my comments in such a way that they responded only to what you were saying and to explain what might be easily inferred from what you were saying. --You told me directly in that you think it's cool and acceptable to mislead people for fun and profit. If that's not how you really feel, then why on earth would you represent yourself as such? Any insult or unhappiness you perceive from my pointing out the difficulties which result in living life in that manner is coming from within you.
My comments about false skepticism being like sewage is I think, as I said, appropriate. Dogmatic belief doesn't allow fresh ideas in, and it allows false knowledge to grow and fester. That's what sewage is; liquid waste which isn't being flushed away by fresh water. Again, any insult taken from that is hardly my fault. I'm just holding up a mirror. And whether or not you believe me when I say it, it is true; I do not mean any disrespect towards you. And anyway, I wasn't directing the Skeptic thing at you. I was just commenting on the phenomenon at large. If you chose to take it personally, then again, that is a choice you made for some reason which only you can answer to.
As for your thoughts regarding UFO's, I am absolutely interested. If you have information which lead you to the belief that UFOs are all 'chaf', then I really want to know it! Jeez. If you know something which is so very convincing, then it either must be really solid, (in which case, I want to know it too,) or it's faulty. However, based on the work I have put into looking at this, and all the patterns I have seen over, and over again, I am not banking on your being able to tell me anything I've not already heard and seen the flaws with, but who knows? I've been wrong before and I am not scared of being wrong again.
When I began looking at stuff, I had very strong beliefs in how things were, and UFO's didn't fit into that mold. I come from a very strict science background. But I wanted to know more, so I started looking. Then something very interesting happened; the first and immediate thing I ran into was that I found very deeply rooted negative emotional reactions in myself to even looking at stuff outside the orthodox mainstream. I was embarrassed to say what I was doing to my peers, and whenever I did breathe word of it, I was attacked ruthlessly with ridicule and the like.
This effectively prevented me from looking for many years.
But the day did come when I stopped and blinked and saw that there was a logical disconnect. Very simply, strong emotions like those I described are not supposed to be part of a scientific enquiry, and since they were so overwhelmingly powerful, not just in myself, but in virtually everybody I've ever heard talk about it on the orthodox science side, I began to wonder where that intense emotional energy came from and why they were so deeply entrenched in me and the people I knew. So I tried a little experiment. --I made a deliberate effort to push past those emotional boundaries and look honestly at the 'forbidden' materials and get on with the job of measuring them. I didn't think at the time I was doing anything special, but this changed my life in a significant way. Fear no longer controls what I allow myself to think about. --And suffice it to say, that when I fin
Effectively, yes, if you're going to spout on about it.
For goodness sake; none of the actual points I made are affected by my not knowing that the man worked a UFO museum, (which I now know, thank-you very much). I'm not the one calling names at people, nor am I resistant to accepting new information. That's not the problem here. The problem is that people are upset by my attempt to explore the reason why people are so automatically and irrationally resistant to the idea of UFOs.
Dude, your troll upsets me so much. It's hanging out of your pants. Pack it in.
What? You think this is a pissing contest? My post was not intended in that way, but the fact that you are taking that way, I suggest, indicates something about YOU.
Re-read what I said, and try to identify what it was about it that upset you. Look beyond the fact that you think I was being arrogant or whatever, (I was not). Examine that, and you may well find some insight into yourself and the experiences you had when you were in school. People often resist, often violently, acknowledging the things within themselves which hurt and limit them. It is easier to pretend they are not there than to root them out and become powerful.
I didn't read the rest of your post, as you're ignorant and stupid.
Well now, I think you did read the rest of my post, albeit, you probably skimmed as quickly as you could because that's all you could manage due to the sick feeling in your gut which always hits when you have to deal with the repercussions of your actions and the possibility that somebody might make you face yourself. But that's beside the point.
Listen, we are all ignorant at all times on many levels, yet we do the best we can to continue living with the information we have, formulating theories and testing them through application while we work to collect new information. The point you brought up is interesting and I am glad to know it, but my original post and all the points therein are not actually diminished by it, so your abusive screaming about, 'gross ignorance,' is entirely unfair. It is in fact itself ignorant behavior. Essentially, you posted with knee-jerk anger in response to my attempt at examining how kids grow up in a system where they are psychologically manipulated. When I responded to your irrational and poorly communicated points, you became even more rude and agitated and irrational. And now you have regressed to calling names and running away. How old are you, anyway?
Maybe it is time for you to grow up and face yourself and the world squarely and without fear. Preferably before you do any more typing.
NO, actually, it isn't, it's spot-fucking-on. He's not associated with any UFO related businesses is he. OH WAIT HE IS... Kind of makes that "ulterior motive" thing a little more credible doesn't it. How fucking stupid are you that you'd insist something was baseless when others have posted the information that proves otherwise?
So not having read something makes me stupid, does it?
Wrong.
Stupid is when you do not adapt your thinking to make room for new information. I didn't know that Walter Haut owned a UFO museum. (Just looked that up.) But you didn't indicate that you knew it either, when you posted your silly argument. quote:
"Why do I say this? Because if he had this information, and really felt the need to share it, he would have done so sooner. Instead he waited until it was impossible for the consequences to matter. That's all the proof I need."
Hm. If that's all the proof you need, then the museum thing really doesn't figure into your thinking at all, does it?
So what are you saying now? That you think he was hoaxing because, "If he had the information and felt the need to share it, he would have done so sooner", or because, as you now suggest, he was involved with a UFO business?
It seems to me that you are retro-actively padding a weak argument and getting angry and rude with me for having to do so. Hint: In the future, have some talking points before you actually talk. And avoid getting rude with people for reacting to your faulty logic; even if you know in your own head what you are talking about, posting gibberish and getting angry with people for not understanding you makes you look incredibly childish.
I do have to say, however, that accepting a supposition based on a total lack of credible evidence, is the hallmark of a fucking moron. And since you accepted this supposition based on a total lack of credible evidence, well...
More false assumptions. Who said I accepted anything? I let this kind of information in along with all other information. Then I let the good and bad ideas cancel one another out. It's call differential analysis, or cross examination and it works. It's one of the primary tools of the Skeptic; something few around here actually seem to understand. As for Walter Haut; he cannot be written off yet. There's not enough information available to do so.
Stop telling people they're brainwashed, it makes you sound even more retarded, especially when you are too dumb to make a better case than "YOU ARE TEH BRAINWASHEEED!!! I AM TEH NOT, SOS I BE MO BETTAH!!!"
(Speaking of childish. ..) I didn't say anything like that. What I did was to lay out examples of how psychological programming works. Those points make sense. If you have a problem with any of them, explain your objections rather than blustering like an angry child. Can you do that, do you think? It will require that you provide BOTH a statement AND examples you are referencing in support of your statement. It will also require that you connect the two with a rational argument which makes sense. You get extra points if you can perform all of this without having to grasp after words like, "Moron" or Fuck" when you can't think of any other way to make your point.
And I must say it: your juvenile post is in fact further possible evidence of psychological blockages with regard to this material. You would probably not be reacting like you are now if we were discussing automotive parts. Why does UFO theory upset you so much?
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What on Earth are you talking about? And all of what I posted was true. There are case examples for each one. Just because the Bush government hasn't started making mass arrests doesn't mean that the things I posted are false.
--Though, you'd be a fool to discount the possibility of mass arrests. Based on the patterns being followed by the Bush Admin, unless something changes, you'll see it.
Dollars to donuts when Al Aqeda recruits someone to do a suicide bombing in the USA, it will more likely be someone like you who hates the USA that does the suicide bombing.
Are you a Troll pretending to be insane, or are you really insane? --Because it's exactly that kind of thinking which is driving the dissolution of the U.S. Paranoia feeding the desire to control people.
And for the record, I think the U.S. is a wonderful place. I just don't like the government or the military industrial complex.
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180 degree double take. A Prison Nation where we are highly controled through fear? How on earth can you blame liberals for the things the Bush administration is working like mad to implement right now? Have you not been paying attention to the play by play? Need proof? Try taking a walk through downtown New York wearing a head scarf and take a bunch of tourist photos sometime. Try lighting up in a public place and see what happens. Try preventing your kids from being immunized in some states. Try owning a gun in others. Try getting an abortion for your girlfriend. Try wearing a teeshirt which says "Impeach Bush" to the Whitehouse. Heck, try buying Organic food, (the Bush government just made it legal for non-organic food producers to use the Organic label.) Try taking a book out of the library about how to blow stuff up. Try making a phone call through AT&T and expecting privacy. And on and on.
In this case the Surgeon General took money from the pro-global warming lobbyists [. .
Give me a break. You can't back that up. The Surgeon General doesn't even have the power to do anything about fossil fuel emissions. Heck, the major sticking point had more to do with Stem Cell research than anything else.
I don't think Wester Medicine is all too great, and I'm not even a liberal. (I don't play the tweedle dee and tweedle dum political division game.) --But I have noticed that people who cleave to the conservative side often exist in a state of perpetual delusion and anger.
Take a deep breath and rethink your statements because they don't make sense.
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Why would I need them any more than you? --I've never heard of kidney damage resulting from nicotine. Or from coffee and hot sauce, for that matter.
Your body is an amazing tool; designed to adventure through the world and feed your spirit experiences from which to grow and learn. Use it or miss out on the world through over-caution.
All ships are safe in harbor, but that's not what ships are for. . .
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Nicotine doesn't cause tissue damage. Like capsaicin, it also alters the condition of the nervous system. It can kill you in a slightly lager dose. But so can caffine. Do you also consider coffee drinkers to be fools?
Heck, oxygen is a toxin. It's one of the most corrosive substances on the planet. For a long time, Life avoided using it until it figured out how to do so.
Most drugs, if not all of them, will cause harm in dosages which are too high. Chemicals are tools the same way knives are both tools and weapons. They are not something to be frightened of or judged as 'bad' simply by looking at one application of them. The choice in how you apply the material existing in your world is up to you.
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It seems ridiculous to even suggest that one should fight with the very group that inspired them, though. The whole world-wide hoopola over intellectual property we're investing so much time and anxiety into these days is totally nuts. --I've talked to teachers who tell their kids not to copy pictures out of books because it's copyright infringement. How crazy is that?
Of course, I also find it interesting to note that War Hammer is all about hyper-competitiveness, focusing every last atom of one's soul upon the annihilation of your opponents. With that kind of crazy-selfish thinking, is it any wonder GW is acting this way? "I AM THE KING OF THE HILL. MINE! ALL MINE! NOW, DIE!!!"
You don't see the Harry Potter franchise trying to stomp out fan fics. Or who knows? Maybe you do. The world is crazy enough.
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As for trusted drugs versus shots in the dark, Asparine is one of the most trusted drugs we have, and it was derived in much the same way as our understanding of nicotine; used by people before it was isolated. Native Americans chewed a bark which contained the active ingredient for asparine to deal with pain. It is perhaps significant that Tobacco was also used by the natives Americans.
Nicotine being a biological toxin is interesting, but hardly something to be afraid of. The active ingredient used in hot sauce was developed by plants as a defense mechanism as well, but we put that in our food!
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2. Additives. --In looking at the toxicity issue with regard to tobacco, I have noted that it is incredibly common for people to ignore the fact that cigarette companies use an assortment of 500 additives into their products, many of which are known carcinogens. When studies are done on the toxicity of tobacco smoke, this detail is often left unmentioned. Are they testing tobacco per se, or are they testing corporate tobacco?
3. Radioactive tobacco leaves. --Your basic cigarette probably came from a farm which used phosphate fertilizer, known to contain radioactive metals. After years of use, these radioactive metals build up in the soil to high concentrations. Many foods are similarly affected, but you don't smoke most foods. This element of tobacco is considered by those who have studied the issue to be one of the leading reasons smoking can cause cancer.
You can buy organic tobacco, and you can smoke it in a pipe. No filter, no deliberately added poisons and no radioactive particles. I wonder if they've ever done health tests on this kind of tobacco smoke.
Probably not.
Here are some more points. .
1. Pavlovian Responses to stress indicate that when you raise the anxiety level in a subject to the breaking point, you can then easily insert a new set of behaviors which become locked into place. .
2. Tobacco smoke quickly lowers stress and anxiety and feelings of anger. It is one of the only two commonly used drugs on the market which while increasing clarity of thinking does not affect judgment. (Caffeine is the other). Old native bands meeting to discuss problems would all first smoke before opening their meeting, (hence, the "peace pipe"). Tobacco lent itself well to averting unnecessary anger and anxiety. In a world like ours today when fear is regularly promoted in such a way which guides the decisions and acceptance of the public with regard to international policy, knowledge
A derivation from the words "Web Log". Fine. But why not, "User Comments"? (Ucom's, Ucomer) or, "Internet Journal" (IJ's, IJ writer.) Or heck, "Internet Log", (Ilog's, I-logger.) They sound sharper and more upbeat. "Blogger"? sounds like a low IQ fella who lumbers into things and doesn't know when to quit.
But despite all of that. . , the idea of people expressing their thoughts on an instantly accessible world-wide forum is so cool! -And inevitable, given the medium.
Because often, it's not the data itself which is valuable, but the connections a person can make within the data. Throw a pile of data at everybody on the planet who has an internet connection, and see what comes back. Now, that's exciting! Connections are the light which guides human creativity. If one guy sees an illuminating connection, then heck yeah, I'm all for his or her being able to share it with the globe.
In depth articles are fine, and indeed, necessary, but they are like the data which enters the brain. The rest of internet is the brain. You want to accept an article at face value or do you want to think about it first? What's more important? The eyes or the brain?
What a silly question. Both, please.
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A sophomore, eh? Incoherent, eh? Oh, now you can't just throw juicy words like that around without backing them up with a couple of explanations. I hear they require that of students with grad level pretensions. Or, pardon me, but are you beyond such mundane things? Sigh. It must be nice to be able to throw hot accusations and have them stick without any requirement of validation on your part.
You see, I do actually have a rather clear understanding of the principal, and I think if you will re-read my junior antics, you will see that I am not actually trying to disagree or agree with the theory, but rather discuss how the theory fits with the phenomenon of conscious intention. Quantum theory rests in part on possibilities collapsing upon measurement, which means the state of the observer plays a significant role, which implies choice.
But I suppose that's just par for the course for someone who thinks the universe bends to their whim.
What? The universe does not bend to your whim? Gee. I can't even imagine what your life must be like! --What do you do, for instance, when you are thirsty? --When I feel like having a drink of water, I simply make an empty glass fill up with water. I make the Universe obey my whim!
Oh, I'm sorry. Was that too sophomoric for you? (Translation: annoyingly valid in a way which makes my well-ordered high-brow ducks waddle around noisily, but stated in such a way which is so. . , uneducated that I simply cannot dignify it with a gentleman's response. Quick! Lovey-dear, I think the help has been reading again. Give the cheeky villain a swat on his rear, will you? Heaven knows, only a properly trained man can responsibly manage knowledge. There's no telling what an unrestrained mind not adequately paddled into a civilized state of submission might do with an idea!)
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How do you explain the existence of contract lawyers? You know; people highly trained and well paid to spend their days understanding how to read and write small print. --If every working Joe was fully trained in the reading and understanding of deliberately deceptive small print in deliberately confusing contractual agreements, then why, oh, why do we have contract lawyers and schools dedicated to teaching contract lawyers?
Some people who sign contracts are not the same as you; they might be, say for example, overwrought working parents who may not have the same time and ability to focus their attention that you enjoy. Some people didn't have the proper nutrition or the same educational opportunities while growing up that you did, and so have fewer skills with regard to understanding the technical minutia in contractual agreements. Or are you suggesting the people who are not like you should be punished in some kind of 'Survival of the Fittest' line of myopic thinking? Should people who are not the same as you be fed to the sharks? I disagree, especially when 'Fittest' actually means, 'born to parents who happened to grow up in the right place and the right time with the right skin colour.'
I've met sharp-witted poor people who are among some of the hardest working humans on the planet, and I've met dull as doorknob rich people who are not, so 'lazy' and 'unfit' are piss-poor generalizations against people who aren't as advantaged as you. --That's a pre-emptive, "Don't even go there," in case you were wondering.
There is more than one kind of person on this planet; and thank goodness for that! Otherwise we'd have a world filled with tight-ass conservatives. The world would be missing good sex, 95% of the creative arts, spicy food and automobiles which come, "in any colour we want so long as it's black". In other words, the world would run like a Swiss watch, but there would be little appeal in actually being alive there.
Which is to say. . , some people spend their time developing skills other than the understanding of legal fine print and technology. Thank goodness!
Corporations which go to lengths to exploit people, and even create weakness in people which can then later be exploited, should not be held blameless while those they harm are sneered at for not being white and rich and mono-cultured enough.
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Empty of me, at any rate.
I don't exist in all realities. A reality where life is silicone based means my carbon based form wouldn't be there. A reality where I'd exist as a result of choices I don't make means I wouldn't be in that one either. Math is a binding formality across all realities; 2 + 2 is always 4, no matter where you go, and in some realities, I'm a 3 to that equation which means the quantum possibility won't be able to materialize. --Or rather, God's awareness would have to manifest in a manner more appropriate and fitting; a version of me who DID make the necessary choices and who is built to exist in accordance with the local physics, all of which would presuppose a suitable version of me who exists there willingly. So it's not a problem either way.
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Your willpower and intent allow you to chart your own course through reality. Hell is a very small and abstract concept, a creation of this world. Focus on it, and you might get to visit, so why bother? As the Jedi say, "Your focus determines your reality." So true!
The universe is a really scary place when you sit down and think about it. It puts your own desires into perspective.
You are infinite and you get to choose. How is that scary? You are currently here in this reality. Is that so bad? You are learning amazing lessons and having amazing experiences. Your job is to be God's eyes, ears and hands in the reality you currently exist in. It is your job to experience your life and make choices. That's it. Suffering is relative, and I don't know why the Buddhists are so obsessed with it. All there is are lessons. Until you learn how to do things in a way which doesn't hurt, you will make choices that cause you to hurt. It's a simple bio feed-back mechanism which teaches appropriate behavior. Nothing to be afraid of. People happily play video games which operate on the same principal.
The big choice to make right now is this: Are you primarily in service to others, or are you primarily in service to yourself?
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Nope. You sound very sane.
I rather like Buddhism, but I have found that there is no need to label one's belief as 'Buddhist', or anything else for that matter. The operating system of the universe does not care what you call it or who has labeled it in the past. There are elements of Buddhist thinking which don't ring true for me, so who needs 'em? Others make a lot of sense. --And there are ideas from other practices which also make a lot of sense. And since they all exist in the same universe, they must all fit together on some level. Along with your own personal observations, it's a fun process to build your own hybrid understanding of the underlying rule-system of the Universe.
In this version of reality, the journey is a personal one. You are your own final authority must come from your own perspective.
At least, that's what I think.
Cheers!
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People do not exist without intent or will power. You can choose what to experience.
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Unfortunately, the only way to go about making any radical changes at this point is to physically drag out the entire ruling elite and their political dogs and hang them. This tends to lead to decade or more of civil war and strife, and people hate that. It's so uncomfortable. So things have to get really bad before they resort to it, at which point all the ruling elite flee to England to wait out the unrest while the people tend to get strange and hang and mutilate each other in their frenzy for revenge.
Humans are a weird and disturbing species.
I think the best way to manage is to simply not play the game. There are lots of ways of living a happy and selfless life while ignoring the rules placed down by the Military Industrial Complex.
But you have to educate yourself first. Find out how you're being screwed with before you can avoid being screwed.
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No shit! Wow. I'd always imagined somebody clutching a rope to help pull whatever load their team has invested in. That's etymology from childhood to be sure.
I remember seeing a squirrel in the early Spring, and its Winter coat was coming off in a really funny way; from it's nose to its mid-section, it was sleek with only short, new hair. From it's belly to its tail, was an inch-thick coat of Winter fur all the way round. It looked like two halves of two different squirrels attached in the middle.
I laughed and said, "Hey, look! A Half-Breed squirrel!"
My friend looked at me and said, "Wow. That's the sort of thing which could confuse a small child for a long time!" There were no kids present, but it stuck in my head as a great example.
Anyway, thanks! You learn something new every day!
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How fucking stupid are you? Stop assuming people lie just because you do.
And yet I notice you're still checking up to see what I have to say. And, please, but I don't lie. You cannot point to anything I've said which constitutes a deliberate intention to mislead. You're just angry and flailing around grabbing for any accusation to throw whether or not it makes any sense.
I am having an increasingly difficult time not picturing you as an animated character about a foot and a half tall with a big mouth and a runny nose. And a beanie with a propeller on top.
--Look, if you want to call names and spin around holding your hands over your ears while hollering nonsensical abuse at the world, then you may do so. That's your choice. But that kind of behavior leads to one living in a bubble-reality while the rest of the world gets on with their lives, perhaps taking a moment to glance in your direction and shake their heads in bafflement.
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I mean, I don't want to judge the man without knowing more, and there's certainly something to be said for the creative genius who is so into his work that he cannot fit in with the rest of humanity. I've known a few people like this who really did have some brilliant ideas, so I know you can't write off people like Newman without looking at their work. But he really needs a publicist or somebody to act as a buffer between himself and the world at large. People who can't write proper sentences and use too many all-caps and who say things with such ego-mania really are hard to take seriously. But mania is like that; it makes you so excited and the ideas fly through your head so quickly that something as mundane as typing becomes an exercise in the impossible. That's what Mr. Newman sounds like to me.
I'd be interested in knowing what level-headed people who have seen and tested his work think of what he has done.
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Oh, this is just too much fun!
Everybody is cranking out lots of criticisms and such, but you just know everybody is still going to be paying attention on July 5th!
Typically with over-unity claims which actually make the news, there is a big press release and gab-fest, and then a few weeks later the inventor vanishes from view never to be heard from again.
I recall one gentleman in Japan, Kohei Minato, three years back who had managed to garner a lot of positive press with his funky spinning wheels. He had an Irish minister of some sort pay him a visit and descriptions of his free-spinning wheel are really cool. (The coolest item is in the last fifth of the page at the bottom.) He generated some modest interest in 2004 when a journalist was significantly impressed with his work and published an article (copied at the link above). I wonder what happened to Mr. Minato. I've not heard a peep about him since then. If he's in jail, it's not the kind you get put in for fraud, because then there would be some record of his being prosecuted. Perhaps its one of those special prisons they have for people who dare to tap into some forbidden energy source the petrochem companies don't want anybody to know about. There are tales of inventors being kidnapped at gunpoint. I know a guy who worked for an agency whose job it is to kill scientists. But hey, shhhhh. Stuff like is entirely not real. I'm only joking. Really. Joking. Shhhh. Plausible deniablility. Cuz the guy is just gone. There's nothing on the man that isn't three years old.
Well, actually, I did hear one peep. There was a fellow inquiring after Minato, claiming to have last seen him in Japan in December of 2006. Apparently, Mr. Minato has been offered a production facility in another country. But that could be just the background noise of the grand ol' internet. Who's to say?
Anyway. . , if this Orbo thing is a scam, you can bet it's a great one. Their showing has been really patient and well-crafted thus far. I'm so happy they're still around a year after their first announcement. I mean, think about how much effort is being expended here; it involves a large number of people who are all towing the line. Scientists, and production staff, and PR people. If this is a scam, it's much, much larger than any other over-unity claim, which usually only involve one or two people working in a garage. According the the wonderful world of wikkipedia, Steorn invited a democratically selected member of a forum to visit their facility, and they wowed her with a bunch of smoke and mirrors. This is so rich! Damn, I'm excited!
I wonder, if it's all scammy, how they've worked out how to not go to jail for fraud? Is it illegal to lie to your investors? Maybe they'll all claim it was just an elaborate test of the PR abilities, a cosmic joke to see who they could fool, and that really, no money changed hands. Who knows?
Or if they've got some kind of device on their hands which draws energy from somewhere else, like the Earth's magnetic field as some have suggested, then. . , hey, is that cool or what? They've done enough high-profile press work to perhaps not get vanished. (Though I wouldn't count on it.) Either way, Steorn is putting on a helluva neat show. This is pulp science at its best! It reminds me of my favorite period in fiction; the late 1700's, early 1800's, when steam and flying contraptions and "Watson, get the pistols!" was the way science was conducted. A showing of a revolutionary new technology in an art gallery? Are you serious?! Well, damn, let me get my top hat and cane! These days are sorely lacking adventure in science. Too few pith helmets and too much slick corporate chrome.
So, rock-on, Steron! I can't wait to see what you pull out of your hat! And if you actually have something genuine, a word of advice: Opensourcing it would keep you from getting killed by the Bad Men. If you don't have
--That he was smart enough to come up with it, but not smart enough to use it properly?
Or could it be that the damned thing just doesn't work very well?
Occam's razor has a major flaw, and it is this: The person using it can only reason based on the knowledge s/he currently has available. That knowledge is ALWAYS incomplete, which means their reasoning is never beyond fault. To use the razor to eliminate entire areas of knowledge is unwise in the extreme.
Occam's razor can, when applied correctly, be a useful tool to help round down less-likely possibilities, but it is also a convenient tool (ab)used by sceptics to condemn things which they are not comfortable thinking about but which, when it comes right down to it, they cannot actually logically write off.
Here's one application of Occam which does appear to work somewhat. . .
1. You know everything and none of your assumptions are wrong, you have no internal fear-based blockages and you never fall prey to logical fallacies.
2. You are a human being capable of flaw.
Hmmm.
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You just love insulting people, don't you. Well, I do too. We know very little about each other and although I could make a great many assumptions about you, they would be as equally erroneous as the ones you seem to have made about me. After seeing your name, I recognized we've made comments back and forth of equally insulting nature. Would I be making an erroneous assumption that you are a disturbed individual based on the nature of your personal attacks on me?
Either I'm a far more terrible person than I think I am, or you're mis-interpreting my comments.
I just re-read my last post, and I really don't think I said anything which was insulting to you. I made very sure to qualify my comments in such a way that they responded only to what you were saying and to explain what might be easily inferred from what you were saying. --You told me directly in that you think it's cool and acceptable to mislead people for fun and profit. If that's not how you really feel, then why on earth would you represent yourself as such? Any insult or unhappiness you perceive from my pointing out the difficulties which result in living life in that manner is coming from within you.
My comments about false skepticism being like sewage is I think, as I said, appropriate. Dogmatic belief doesn't allow fresh ideas in, and it allows false knowledge to grow and fester. That's what sewage is; liquid waste which isn't being flushed away by fresh water. Again, any insult taken from that is hardly my fault. I'm just holding up a mirror. And whether or not you believe me when I say it, it is true; I do not mean any disrespect towards you. And anyway, I wasn't directing the Skeptic thing at you. I was just commenting on the phenomenon at large. If you chose to take it personally, then again, that is a choice you made for some reason which only you can answer to.
As for your thoughts regarding UFO's, I am absolutely interested. If you have information which lead you to the belief that UFOs are all 'chaf', then I really want to know it! Jeez. If you know something which is so very convincing, then it either must be really solid, (in which case, I want to know it too,) or it's faulty. However, based on the work I have put into looking at this, and all the patterns I have seen over, and over again, I am not banking on your being able to tell me anything I've not already heard and seen the flaws with, but who knows? I've been wrong before and I am not scared of being wrong again.
When I began looking at stuff, I had very strong beliefs in how things were, and UFO's didn't fit into that mold. I come from a very strict science background. But I wanted to know more, so I started looking. Then something very interesting happened; the first and immediate thing I ran into was that I found very deeply rooted negative emotional reactions in myself to even looking at stuff outside the orthodox mainstream. I was embarrassed to say what I was doing to my peers, and whenever I did breathe word of it, I was attacked ruthlessly with ridicule and the like.
This effectively prevented me from looking for many years.
But the day did come when I stopped and blinked and saw that there was a logical disconnect. Very simply, strong emotions like those I described are not supposed to be part of a scientific enquiry, and since they were so overwhelmingly powerful, not just in myself, but in virtually everybody I've ever heard talk about it on the orthodox science side, I began to wonder where that intense emotional energy came from and why they were so deeply entrenched in me and the people I knew. So I tried a little experiment. --I made a deliberate effort to push past those emotional boundaries and look honestly at the 'forbidden' materials and get on with the job of measuring them. I didn't think at the time I was doing anything special, but this changed my life in a significant way. Fear no longer controls what I allow myself to think about. --And suffice it to say, that when I fin
For goodness sake; none of the actual points I made are affected by my not knowing that the man worked a UFO museum, (which I now know, thank-you very much). I'm not the one calling names at people, nor am I resistant to accepting new information. That's not the problem here. The problem is that people are upset by my attempt to explore the reason why people are so automatically and irrationally resistant to the idea of UFOs.
Dude, your troll upsets me so much. It's hanging out of your pants. Pack it in.
What? You think this is a pissing contest? My post was not intended in that way, but the fact that you are taking that way, I suggest, indicates something about YOU.
Re-read what I said, and try to identify what it was about it that upset you. Look beyond the fact that you think I was being arrogant or whatever, (I was not). Examine that, and you may well find some insight into yourself and the experiences you had when you were in school. People often resist, often violently, acknowledging the things within themselves which hurt and limit them. It is easier to pretend they are not there than to root them out and become powerful.
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Well now, I think you did read the rest of my post, albeit, you probably skimmed as quickly as you could because that's all you could manage due to the sick feeling in your gut which always hits when you have to deal with the repercussions of your actions and the possibility that somebody might make you face yourself. But that's beside the point.
Listen, we are all ignorant at all times on many levels, yet we do the best we can to continue living with the information we have, formulating theories and testing them through application while we work to collect new information. The point you brought up is interesting and I am glad to know it, but my original post and all the points therein are not actually diminished by it, so your abusive screaming about, 'gross ignorance,' is entirely unfair. It is in fact itself ignorant behavior. Essentially, you posted with knee-jerk anger in response to my attempt at examining how kids grow up in a system where they are psychologically manipulated. When I responded to your irrational and poorly communicated points, you became even more rude and agitated and irrational. And now you have regressed to calling names and running away. How old are you, anyway?
Maybe it is time for you to grow up and face yourself and the world squarely and without fear. Preferably before you do any more typing.
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So not having read something makes me stupid, does it?
Wrong.
Stupid is when you do not adapt your thinking to make room for new information. I didn't know that Walter Haut owned a UFO museum. (Just looked that up.) But you didn't indicate that you knew it either, when you posted your silly argument. quote:
"Why do I say this? Because if he had this information, and really felt the need to share it, he would have done so sooner. Instead he waited until it was impossible for the consequences to matter. That's all the proof I need."
Hm. If that's all the proof you need, then the museum thing really doesn't figure into your thinking at all, does it?
So what are you saying now? That you think he was hoaxing because, "If he had the information and felt the need to share it, he would have done so sooner", or because, as you now suggest, he was involved with a UFO business?
It seems to me that you are retro-actively padding a weak argument and getting angry and rude with me for having to do so. Hint: In the future, have some talking points before you actually talk. And avoid getting rude with people for reacting to your faulty logic; even if you know in your own head what you are talking about, posting gibberish and getting angry with people for not understanding you makes you look incredibly childish.
I do have to say, however, that accepting a supposition based on a total lack of credible evidence, is the hallmark of a fucking moron. And since you accepted this supposition based on a total lack of credible evidence, well...
More false assumptions. Who said I accepted anything? I let this kind of information in along with all other information. Then I let the good and bad ideas cancel one another out. It's call differential analysis, or cross examination and it works. It's one of the primary tools of the Skeptic; something few around here actually seem to understand. As for Walter Haut; he cannot be written off yet. There's not enough information available to do so.
Stop telling people they're brainwashed, it makes you sound even more retarded, especially when you are too dumb to make a better case than "YOU ARE TEH BRAINWASHEEED!!! I AM TEH NOT, SOS I BE MO BETTAH!!!"
(Speaking of childish. .
And I must say it: your juvenile post is in fact further possible evidence of psychological blockages with regard to this material. You would probably not be reacting like you are now if we were discussing automotive parts. Why does UFO theory upset you so much?
-FL