Interesting, except I don't buy the idea of entropy.
Rather, I've been noticing a strong tendency for time to loop, (or perhaps spiral?). That is, significant events in life seem to re-occur like bumps on a flywheel. Twelve years seems to be a rough sort of period, and I've really been seeing it over the last couple of years. Faces, places and set-dressings change but the emotional/spiritual/metaphoric content of recurring events remain pretty much identical. The only thing which seems to be able to change is the level of grace and conscience and social maturity one travels through the loop with. Social skills make an otherwise bumpy ride more smooth.
I can see this in my own life, and in the lives of the people close to me, but it appears to be an invisible trend to everybody else who isn't focused that way.
Decay... rates? What's a decay rate if time doesn't exist?
If all events happen along a spatial vector which we only perceive in consecutive experiential "slices," then "time" is just our perception of an otherwise unseen dimension along which we are traveling.
Consider a 2D being incapable of seeing or comprehending the concept of "Length". If that being was traveling along a road, it would experience things like speed bumps as "events" rather than objects.
Time for us is like the road we cannot see, and decaying atoms are not events, but rather objects with shape and weight, etc.
Weird, for sure, but I tend to think it's probably the way things actually are.
Considering the idea that "Time" does not exist, I am inclined to look with interest at anything which affects the observed weirdness of time. If only atomic clocks have been used to measure time distortion due to differences in relative motion, then the two things might be related.
I don't know about General Relativity being a baseless cult, though. While it is still called a theory, it has proven a particularly useful one which is essential for calculating the correct deployment and use of satellites. -This from an engineer who works specifically in the area of military satellite communications.
"This is how I was taught 30 years ago and it's how I'm teaching you now." - My physics teacher, in an angry voice when I mentioned quantum mechanics during class.
Wow. Was he wearing robes and a silly? Were people kissing his ring?
But the arrogance of humans who think they know all the answers hasn't seemed to have diminished with its arrival in the tool box.
Worse still is the use (generally by armchair fans of science who have apparently never heard the phrase, "use the right tool for the right job") is the bludgeoning of every problem with Occam's Razor.
What I actually said: "Machines, being without emotion, would see no point in continuing to exist."
That's a fair cop. I read with half an eye and responded with altogether too much vigor. I apologize.
I would only add by way of (lame) excuse that my assumption when I think of a successful AI is that it automatically implies rudimentary emotions. (Thought there is no reason to assume this either).
Ah. "Life is so hard and painful that suicide is the only logical option."
Sorry. I disagree, but that's a personal choice. And an AI, to be an AI, must have the ability and imagination and various other resources necessary to make choices as well. Approximately 50% of them would agree with you, seeing the overwhelming nature of reality and wanting to hide from it, while the other half would be excited by the creation and want to explore despite the inherent difficulties life presents. For some reason it remains a half and half split; don't know why that is.
Anyway, my belief on the larger subject, btw, is that alien life is waaaay more aware than us, probably isn't caught up in the illusion of 'time' and see us as a resource. They have biological meat robots already inserted into our society by the millions, (walking around believing they are human), influencing our society so that ridiculous programs like SETI do their thing and remain at the peak of official culture despite their false assumptions, distracting us from the overall intention to harvest us like cattle.
All life eats life. Generally, the link directly beneath itself is the food. In the galactic/dimensional scheme of reality, we're far from the top of the food chain, and we should know from experience that the farmers rarely desire to open diplomatic relations with corn and chickens. To expect anything different from the life forms above us is arrogance of the first order, (and that arrogance is probably programmed into us also.)
Fear, anxiety and hate are energetic in nature and they are comestible by higher beings. Violent death is a great way to siphon off this kind of energy. The truth is that reality really does have a lot of hard parts about it, and yet. . , when the knowledge is laid bare, half of us are still going to be excited about exploring! Because while half of the universe painful, the other half is the opposite. It's the shades in between which make life so much fun!
If you seriously think that in a plan that involves at the very minimum several HUNDREDS of people and a hyper complicated series of steps and actions there would not be any leaks or physical traces you desperately need some additional historical and psychological education.
No, I think I need to school you in psychology. Let's get started. ..
Psychopaths and narcissists don't score well in the planning department. To sum up what the 'serious' books on the subject of psychopathy have to say. . . They dream big and have an infinitely high opinion of their abilities to alter reality. They are the bugs which kill the host. The notion of a big, over-arching doomsday plan being advanced from secret rooms in total cohesion is false. The black world is made up of bickering egomaniac alpha males which hold loose associations and who are all trying to manipulate their way to the top. Objective reality and the folks who know how to work within it are the little people who make crazy military adventures possible by designing systems, (both mechanical and social), which are then taken over by the lunatics who honestly can't comprehend failure. 9/11 was a giant piece of wishful thinking, and that is exactly why it was so full of errors and cracks in its facade.
It is incoherent to accuse a group of alleged plotters of coming up with a hyper complicated plan with such a huge amount of potential security leaks, slips and fatal errors in planning and execution that it would amount to gross incompetence of astronomical proportions and then believe that the hundreds of people needed to carry it out were so incredibly secretive and efficient in implementing that plan that there is not one shred of evidence for the plot.
That's canned logic. The whole, "Hundreds of people can't keep a secret" meme is nonsense. A combination of compartmentalized processes, fear of reprisal, allegiance to ideologies, and a general belief that the populace is pathetic cattle which needs to be manipulated for its own good, makes secrecy largely feasible. The stuff which leaks out around the edges is simply written off and rationalized by the public. But I have trouble believing that you haven't already been confronted with this but have rather chosen simply not to hear it and continue repeating the shallow meme. Still. . , it's worth going through once more...
Conspirators don't need to be conscious of their involvement. Most of the people involved with 9/11 were just cogs in the machine doing their jobs. They didn't have to be in on anything. They just had to follow orders and believe that what they were doing was the correct procedure. An air traffic controller instructed that a military exercise was unfolding and to not respond as s/he might normally have done when seeing weird blips on the radar is a required component of the hyper-complex plan, but it didn't require any membership to a secret club. In a command structure where people have had it hammered into their heads from boot camp to obey and not question, only a very small handful of people near the top need know the shape of the plan. It works this way by design.
Some of those people who thought their actions that day were odd do in fact talk to some extent about what they were doing within the confines of what they are allowed. You'll find, if you really think through the various stages of what had to happen that day, and not in a blustery attempt to prove your bias, but rather in a cold attempt to really understand what would have really happened, then you will see that the "Hundreds of people" argument simply doesn't hold up.
And no there is not a shred of evidence. For all the things that the tin foil hat crowd have mentioned as reasons to be suspicious there are alternative and perfectly reasonable explanations. If you had read some of the serious books and articles on it you would know that but I guess it's easier to watch an incoherent h
I don't want to grumble at you too much, because you are thinking, but you are falling for the old trap. People are SO arrogant.
You think that YOUR reaction, the one you just broadcast, can't possibly be the objective of this puppet theater? When you talk about what "people" will think, you seem to believe you are not counted among them.
Sorry. Wrong answer.
Read through the posts here on Slashdot. The man is rapidly attaining folk-hero status. This means that any of his claims made not in connection to this B-Movie script drama now carry the authoritative weight of the great Julian Assange, Folk Hero!
If you'd been paying attention, and you may well have been, you would know that among those statements by Saint Julian are included 9/11 was NOT an inside job and that the documents recently Wikileaked demonstrating that Iran really is a threat are indeed valid.
THAT'S what we are being quietly sold. The rest is just bullshit to dress it up. This is theater. We are being manipulated again into another war we cannot afford. This is about Iran.
I was yelling bloody murder earlier this decade when were manipulated into a war with Iraq, and I was right to do so, but the child-men here were too busy growing hard penises to think straight as the command & conquer tanks rolled into Baghdad. -Go back in time and re-read some of those posts. They are disgusting, blood-in-the-water thoughtless mob-rule insanity. The ravings of Zombies.
I'm right this time, too. And yes, that is indeed arrogance speaking, but it is earned.
Assange may not know it, but he is a secret service agent. An asset designed to sculpt public opinion. If he was truly a problem, he would have vanished long ago, and Wikileaks would never, ever have survived to reach the kind of worldwide fame it now enjoys.
Think: anything which surfaces through Wikileaks now will be taken as fundamental truth by you and all the other 'clever' people who think they are smarter than everybody else. In the countdown to war with Iran, your gullibility is a highly valuable asset.
Julian isn't important; it is Wikileaks which must be discredited.
You must have skipped over 90% of my post.
Re-read and try again.
Wikileaks plays in support of the PTB. They are only pretending to try to discredit; the population is hopelessly easy to manipulate. If the dark side wanted Wikileaks discredited, it would be discredited. Heck, it wouldn't even exist. But it does exist, it gets big press attention, and Julian is rapidly attaining folk hero status. Do you honestly think that with the kind of tight media control functioning today and the billions of dollars spent to successfully unravel the secrets of human psychology and effective lying that any of this production has happened through error?
If 9/11 was a conspiracy it would have had to be devised by a bunch of morons and carried out by an even bigger bunch of highly efficient, brilliant and incredibly secretive geniuses. I kind of sense some disparity there but I guess you don't.
When you reduce a problem to a comically over-simplified equation which is designed more to reduce any taxing of your thinking muscle than it is to actually figure out what the objective reality happens to be, and if you then proceed to gauge reality based on that bit of logical foolishness, then yes, people who have put real thought into the matter are going to seem insane to you. But that doesn't make them actually insane, and it certainly doesn't put you even close to the ballpark of correct. It just makes you lazy and ignorant.
Seriously; Is that really the excuse to not think about it you have been holding your reality together with for the past nine years?
Your confusion is resulting from your brain working properly. This really DOESN'T add up.
The secret services could vanish this Julian idiot any time they wanted, but instead he is making international news. Okay. This tells us that he is useful to the sorts of people who have the power to make people vanish. Why is he useful? What are the opinions he voices which are not the focus of the show and thus become the bedrock reality which everybody takes for granted?
1. He dismisses 9/11 conspiracy theorists as though box-cutter morons really did plan and execute that whole affair without massive help from the Israeli/Western spy club.
2. He is promoting bullshit about Iran's supposed nuclear intentions and capabilities.
Those two things alone cry, "Tool". Then we get this idiotic day-time talk TV trailer park nonsense drama aimed at selling his virtuous bearing to all the retards of the world, who no doubt will lap it up much as they did when Bush sold us the Iraq war based on lies and mis-direction. To anybody who has been paying attention, it is painfully clear what is going on. And frustrating, because the world is full of retards who will follow along with it. Again.
So basically, Wikileaks is just a means of wrapping lies in a burrito of truth.
War with Iran is what Israel wants. Israel would also like very much if people stopped looking into the whole reason 9/11 actually happened.
You know; the whole Republicans in the Whitehouse = Uptick in Zombie film popularity.
Democrats = Vampire popularity.
Well, I think that's changed now, because American politics have changed. That is; there are no American politics anymore. We all know it's a sham and people are subconsciously trying to deal with the creeping feeling that at any moment the whole of society will go all shotguns and can-openers.
The zombies which worry me are the ones who currently wear badges. The G20 in Toronto showed that we can't count on our own police to act like sane members of society, but rather will quite willingly attack their own people. (Though, it certainly helps when you bring in police from distant areas who have a vague hate-on for the city they will be swinging truncheons in.)
Unfortunately, when you step out of the subconscious realm and try to problem solve for the same psychological stress points in the upper reaches of your consciousness, then you come to the truly horrific awareness; The zombies have guns and tear gas.
RFID chips need to be right up close in order to charge, (assuming they don't have their own battery, which the ones attached to higher ticket items do), but once they transmit, the read distance is only limited by the sensitivity of your receiver. To me, that means, "From Orbit".
Maybe I'm over-simplifying, but 200 feet with home brew technology is pretty impressive. I have a feeling that the military has invested a few more pennies in radio technology over the years than Chris Paget.
But that's not the point, because when it comes to tracking people, you don't need to do it from orbit. Heck, this page referenced from the article makes it pretty clear that ubiquitous readers and internet communication is on the horizon. Heck, it's almost here.
People worry about being 'chipped', and maybe they will be, but I think it's kind of pointless. Everybody already carries around their wallet wherever they go, and I know when my credit card expires, the replacement will be armed and ready. That just annoys me! They don't need to read my card from orbit, because in order to track me, all I need to do is walk around the city. Past any random RFID machine which happens to be active. You know, like at doorways to every second retail outlet.
I wonder what would happen if I microwave the chip in my card? Would the magnetic strip still work?
Skit the tinfoil hat. I want my wallet lined with silver!
Cranking out 5 TRILLION places in Pi is. . , well, it's pretty staggering.
But is anybody else planning to run some explorations through all that data? I expect somebody, somewhere is.
Here's a fun experiment. . .
Draw a picture of Batman on your Wacom, reduce it using some graphics algorithm to the shortest string of digits you possibly can, and search for that string in Pi. He's got to be in there somewhere. . . Probably there's a set of plans for, "How to build an awesome time machine", too.
Notebooks get slow but TVs can be good for decades.
Yes, but indestructible glass won't alter the time frame in which TVs are replaced. It is already true that people don't get rid of old televisions because of worn out glass.
I've been trying to work out why this story was bugging me so much. Works like this...
Why do people dispose of laptops and cell phones, etc.? Because the screen breaks? Or because the technology ages, the batteries stop holding a charge, scratches and finger prints show up, all of which, while not preventing the actual chips and hardware from working as designed, nonetheless cause a perception of the device as having worn out?
Basically, to make the next generation of desirable products, (thinner, prettier computers), you need strong glass, but those devices will stop being in vogue within the same product cycle time-frame regardless of how indestructible the glass is. So there's no harm in marketing gorilla glass to the world.
It probably won't be used in products which might threaten to become, as you say, "Buy it once, keep it forever".
Ah. There we go! My cynical circuit has been satisfied. Now I can get on with my day.
There are two types of people who question authority. Those who question authority, listen to what they say, and make a judgement accordingly, and those who question, and simply ignore the answer, believe exactly what they want to believe, and remain terminally ignorant and uninformed. Did ever even occur to you that there might be an alternative reason behind the implementation of this scheme, aside from the one you cooked up about the movies?
Has it occurred to you that I might actually know what I am talking about? When I question things, I listen exceptionally well. I ask a lot of questions and I listen to everything I can get my ears on. If my resulting judgments seem odd to you, then perhaps that is only because you haven't got enough information.
And that's how stupid one-eyed outlooks grow and thrive. There are far easier, far safer ways to control a population. Besides, did the population really need controlling? Was there about to be a revolution before 9/11?
Wow. Those are some very ignorant questions. You really are in the dark, aren't you? This isn't the forum to try to educate you on such huge, basic realities; it's a big, deep subject, and frankly, I'm not convinced you're worth the effort. -A common belief people labor under is that they are somehow entitled to knowledge without having to work for it. You have eyes and a brain, but you have chosen not to use them to explore. Why should I labor to put material in front of your nose when it has been freely available for years? It sounds very much to me that you are already invested in rejecting it without thinking anyway. Sounds like a big waste of time to me.
Yeah, I go for quality rather than quantity when it comes to a topic. A hundred hours of this B-movie dreck passing through your head is probably worth about half an hour's consideration by just about anyone else here on slashdot. Myself included.
Translation: "I am uninformed and proud of it."
You say, "probably worth"? Exactly. You don't know. Yet you call something dreck without having the knowledge necessary to render such a judgment.
THINK: How can you possibly know high quality information from a hole in the ground if you don't bother to explore enough samples to establish pattern? Pretending that you know based on doing as little research as possible is common laziness.
You know what really strikes me about your post? The complete failure to use logic, or make a convincing argument. I mean, you really haven't made a single convincing point. Not even one. You try to couch your post in logic, and you use the phrases "proof" and "by extension", but you show no indication that you actually understand what they mean. All you do is string together a bunch of absurd claims holding little to no basis in reality.
You say I have not made a single convincing argument? It only seems that way to you because you are unfamiliar with the material I am referencing. I've referred to objective realities which any responsible individual will have already taken the time to become informed regarding. Many of these items are no longer even points of debate; they are established facts and I'm not going to waste my time bringing you up to speed.
Your level of awareness is your problem, not mine.
Now go away and do some reading and some critical analysis and stop wasting my time.
Information is information, and given a choice of it being repressed and being made available, I'll almost always choose the latter. This is a real decision made by "the idiots in charge", and if nothing else, the information that this decision was made is information about the quality of leadership.
This is certainly a valid approach, but it's not where we started from and it's not what I was complaining about. I don't want silence from the media. I want responsible reporting, but above all, I want a cessation of manipulative tactics designed to keep a population fearful. Fear and anxiety are the keys to population control; they are incredibly effective. And now we are told the following. ..
A. That the entire internet is in danger of being destroyed by bad people. (Even a small and unlikely danger noted registers deeply in the brain; for instance, "birthday serial killers" scare populations far out of proportion with the actual threat level because the subconscious isn't good at probability maths. This is why we can spend hours worrying about things which never happen. This is well understood in the persuasion sciences. Also understood, is that when jolted by fear or anxiety, the associated message lodges far more deeply in the brain than otherwise. There is SO much understood about how to manipulate humans and this article is dripping with it. Journalists, of all people, should have at least a passing understanding of this stuff.)
B. That our fearless leaders have taken spy-thriller steps to ensure our safety rather than opting for far less dramatic redundant back-up systems. This is due to our having been programmed by films and television. Even while consciously aware that a Bruce Willis film is fundamentally silly, the emotional programming remains, so when we are presented with similar patterns in the real world, we have the same gut level reactions. It's very hard to prevent that. Again, more psych science.
C. By extension, the world is full of awful things, that there is the real danger that our lives might be interrupted by terrorism at any moment. I don't know what you think of the whole 9/11 fiasco, but the digging and examination of the facts and events of that day hasn't stopped, and the picture is today more clear than ever. Thinking people who make the effort to inform themselves rather than believe the sanctioned media and elected representatives have come to the conclusion that it was a giant sham event driven by manipulative forces for political purposes. It's well-worth reading everything you can get on that subject, weeding out the junk and doing comparative analysis to determine the key features. Essentially, the whole charade was perpetrated by Nixon era psychopaths and their proteges, and pushed over the top by Israel.
D. By unspoken extension, when a further power grab and erosion of civil liberties comes around every two weeks, we all understand that it is just a small step with good reason. After all, Bad People could attack us at any moment, right? I mean, as proof we only need to look at our leadership; they carry spy-movie key cards to re-boot the internet in case of spy-movie attack! And if that's a real possibility then we really MUST be in the middle of the new cold war! It's self perpetuating "truth"; a fiction created at the top and sold to us through the media, duly reported on Slashdot and defended by ignorant hobbits who don't realize that they are fighting to protect the very forces keeping them under thumb in some population-wide expression of Stockholm Syndrome.
And THAT whole menu is the bullshit I reject. The psychology is well-understood. We know who has studied the mind-game mechanics of it, who endorsed and invested in it as policy. We know many of the names, the places, the dates. Why? Because THAT is information. Real information. By contrast, the newspaper informing us of the next stupid thing to be afraid of is not the same kind of thing. A lie is technically 'information', bu
Except this is only "information" in so far as it is the latest plot device made real by the idiots in charge. That means this is a social engineering exercise, (a variation on basic propaganda).
Learn to spot the difference. It's important.
In any case, the delivery needn't be couched in endless, pedantic terms of "Terrorist Attack". I can hardly believe people haven't figured out yet that they're being manipulated. How stupid does a person have to be to not get that simple fact at this late date?
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Interesting, except I don't buy the idea of entropy.
Rather, I've been noticing a strong tendency for time to loop, (or perhaps spiral?). That is, significant events in life seem to re-occur like bumps on a flywheel. Twelve years seems to be a rough sort of period, and I've really been seeing it over the last couple of years. Faces, places and set-dressings change but the emotional/spiritual/metaphoric content of recurring events remain pretty much identical. The only thing which seems to be able to change is the level of grace and conscience and social maturity one travels through the loop with. Social skills make an otherwise bumpy ride more smooth.
I can see this in my own life, and in the lives of the people close to me, but it appears to be an invisible trend to everybody else who isn't focused that way.
-FL
Decay ... rates? What's a decay rate if time doesn't exist?
If all events happen along a spatial vector which we only perceive in consecutive experiential "slices," then "time" is just our perception of an otherwise unseen dimension along which we are traveling.
Consider a 2D being incapable of seeing or comprehending the concept of "Length". If that being was traveling along a road, it would experience things like speed bumps as "events" rather than objects.
Time for us is like the road we cannot see, and decaying atoms are not events, but rather objects with shape and weight, etc.
Weird, for sure, but I tend to think it's probably the way things actually are.
-FL
Considering the idea that "Time" does not exist, I am inclined to look with interest at anything which affects the observed weirdness of time. If only atomic clocks have been used to measure time distortion due to differences in relative motion, then the two things might be related.
I don't know about General Relativity being a baseless cult, though. While it is still called a theory, it has proven a particularly useful one which is essential for calculating the correct deployment and use of satellites. -This from an engineer who works specifically in the area of military satellite communications.
-FL
"This is how I was taught 30 years ago and it's how I'm teaching you now." - My physics teacher, in an angry voice when I mentioned quantum mechanics during class.
Wow. Was he wearing robes and a silly? Were people kissing his ring?
-FL
Well put.
Science = Awesome tool!
But the arrogance of humans who think they know all the answers hasn't seemed to have diminished with its arrival in the tool box.
Worse still is the use (generally by armchair fans of science who have apparently never heard the phrase, "use the right tool for the right job") is the bludgeoning of every problem with Occam's Razor.
-FL
What I actually said: "Machines, being without emotion, would see no point in continuing to exist."
That's a fair cop. I read with half an eye and responded with altogether too much vigor. I apologize.
I would only add by way of (lame) excuse that my assumption when I think of a successful AI is that it automatically implies rudimentary emotions. (Thought there is no reason to assume this either).
Sorry again. One of those days.
-FL
Ah. "Life is so hard and painful that suicide is the only logical option."
Sorry. I disagree, but that's a personal choice. And an AI, to be an AI, must have the ability and imagination and various other resources necessary to make choices as well. Approximately 50% of them would agree with you, seeing the overwhelming nature of reality and wanting to hide from it, while the other half would be excited by the creation and want to explore despite the inherent difficulties life presents. For some reason it remains a half and half split; don't know why that is.
Anyway, my belief on the larger subject, btw, is that alien life is waaaay more aware than us, probably isn't caught up in the illusion of 'time' and see us as a resource. They have biological meat robots already inserted into our society by the millions, (walking around believing they are human), influencing our society so that ridiculous programs like SETI do their thing and remain at the peak of official culture despite their false assumptions, distracting us from the overall intention to harvest us like cattle.
All life eats life. Generally, the link directly beneath itself is the food. In the galactic/dimensional scheme of reality, we're far from the top of the food chain, and we should know from experience that the farmers rarely desire to open diplomatic relations with corn and chickens. To expect anything different from the life forms above us is arrogance of the first order, (and that arrogance is probably programmed into us also.)
Fear, anxiety and hate are energetic in nature and they are comestible by higher beings. Violent death is a great way to siphon off this kind of energy. The truth is that reality really does have a lot of hard parts about it, and yet. . , when the knowledge is laid bare, half of us are still going to be excited about exploring! Because while half of the universe painful, the other half is the opposite. It's the shades in between which make life so much fun!
-FL
If you seriously think that in a plan that involves at the very minimum several HUNDREDS of people and a hyper complicated series of steps and actions there would not be any leaks or physical traces you desperately need some additional historical and psychological education.
No, I think I need to school you in psychology. Let's get started. . .
Psychopaths and narcissists don't score well in the planning department. To sum up what the 'serious' books on the subject of psychopathy have to say. . . They dream big and have an infinitely high opinion of their abilities to alter reality. They are the bugs which kill the host. The notion of a big, over-arching doomsday plan being advanced from secret rooms in total cohesion is false. The black world is made up of bickering egomaniac alpha males which hold loose associations and who are all trying to manipulate their way to the top. Objective reality and the folks who know how to work within it are the little people who make crazy military adventures possible by designing systems, (both mechanical and social), which are then taken over by the lunatics who honestly can't comprehend failure. 9/11 was a giant piece of wishful thinking, and that is exactly why it was so full of errors and cracks in its facade.
It is incoherent to accuse a group of alleged plotters of coming up with a hyper complicated plan with such a huge amount of potential security leaks, slips and fatal errors in planning and execution that it would amount to gross incompetence of astronomical proportions and then believe that the hundreds of people needed to carry it out were so incredibly secretive and efficient in implementing that plan that there is not one shred of evidence for the plot.
That's canned logic. The whole, "Hundreds of people can't keep a secret" meme is nonsense. A combination of compartmentalized processes, fear of reprisal, allegiance to ideologies, and a general belief that the populace is pathetic cattle which needs to be manipulated for its own good, makes secrecy largely feasible. The stuff which leaks out around the edges is simply written off and rationalized by the public. But I have trouble believing that you haven't already been confronted with this but have rather chosen simply not to hear it and continue repeating the shallow meme. Still. . , it's worth going through once more...
Conspirators don't need to be conscious of their involvement. Most of the people involved with 9/11 were just cogs in the machine doing their jobs. They didn't have to be in on anything. They just had to follow orders and believe that what they were doing was the correct procedure. An air traffic controller instructed that a military exercise was unfolding and to not respond as s/he might normally have done when seeing weird blips on the radar is a required component of the hyper-complex plan, but it didn't require any membership to a secret club. In a command structure where people have had it hammered into their heads from boot camp to obey and not question, only a very small handful of people near the top need know the shape of the plan. It works this way by design.
Some of those people who thought their actions that day were odd do in fact talk to some extent about what they were doing within the confines of what they are allowed. You'll find, if you really think through the various stages of what had to happen that day, and not in a blustery attempt to prove your bias, but rather in a cold attempt to really understand what would have really happened, then you will see that the "Hundreds of people" argument simply doesn't hold up.
And no there is not a shred of evidence. For all the things that the tin foil hat crowd have mentioned as reasons to be suspicious there are alternative and perfectly reasonable explanations. If you had read some of the serious books and articles on it you would know that but I guess it's easier to watch an incoherent h
This needs to be modded up.
The world needs an FAQ which should be required reading by everybody with a keyboard and the ability to vote.
Sheesh.
-FL
So, basically, what you are saying here is that you are incredibly easy to manipulate with standard media techniques.
Were you also one of those zombie imbeciles waving a flag as we invaded Iraq?
Or are you the worst kind of all; the sort who still refuses to acknowledge that we were lied to?
Did you miss the last 8 years of bullshit? Have you learned nothing about government lies?
Are you under 18 or just retarded?
-FL
I don't want to grumble at you too much, because you are thinking, but you are falling for the old trap. People are SO arrogant.
You think that YOUR reaction, the one you just broadcast, can't possibly be the objective of this puppet theater? When you talk about what "people" will think, you seem to believe you are not counted among them.
Sorry. Wrong answer.
Read through the posts here on Slashdot. The man is rapidly attaining folk-hero status. This means that any of his claims made not in connection to this B-Movie script drama now carry the authoritative weight of the great Julian Assange, Folk Hero!
If you'd been paying attention, and you may well have been, you would know that among those statements by Saint Julian are included 9/11 was NOT an inside job and that the documents recently Wikileaked demonstrating that Iran really is a threat are indeed valid.
THAT'S what we are being quietly sold. The rest is just bullshit to dress it up. This is theater. We are being manipulated again into another war we cannot afford. This is about Iran.
I was yelling bloody murder earlier this decade when were manipulated into a war with Iraq, and I was right to do so, but the child-men here were too busy growing hard penises to think straight as the command & conquer tanks rolled into Baghdad. -Go back in time and re-read some of those posts. They are disgusting, blood-in-the-water thoughtless mob-rule insanity. The ravings of Zombies.
I'm right this time, too. And yes, that is indeed arrogance speaking, but it is earned.
Assange may not know it, but he is a secret service agent. An asset designed to sculpt public opinion. If he was truly a problem, he would have vanished long ago, and Wikileaks would never, ever have survived to reach the kind of worldwide fame it now enjoys.
Think: anything which surfaces through Wikileaks now will be taken as fundamental truth by you and all the other 'clever' people who think they are smarter than everybody else. In the countdown to war with Iran, your gullibility is a highly valuable asset.
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Julian isn't important; it is Wikileaks which must be discredited.
You must have skipped over 90% of my post.
Re-read and try again.
Wikileaks plays in support of the PTB. They are only pretending to try to discredit; the population is hopelessly easy to manipulate. If the dark side wanted Wikileaks discredited, it would be discredited. Heck, it wouldn't even exist. But it does exist, it gets big press attention, and Julian is rapidly attaining folk hero status. Do you honestly think that with the kind of tight media control functioning today and the billions of dollars spent to successfully unravel the secrets of human psychology and effective lying that any of this production has happened through error?
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If 9/11 was a conspiracy it would have had to be devised by a bunch of morons and carried out by an even bigger bunch of highly efficient, brilliant and incredibly secretive geniuses. I kind of sense some disparity there but I guess you don't.
When you reduce a problem to a comically over-simplified equation which is designed more to reduce any taxing of your thinking muscle than it is to actually figure out what the objective reality happens to be, and if you then proceed to gauge reality based on that bit of logical foolishness, then yes, people who have put real thought into the matter are going to seem insane to you. But that doesn't make them actually insane, and it certainly doesn't put you even close to the ballpark of correct. It just makes you lazy and ignorant.
Seriously; Is that really the excuse to not think about it you have been holding your reality together with for the past nine years?
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Your confusion is resulting from your brain working properly. This really DOESN'T add up.
The secret services could vanish this Julian idiot any time they wanted, but instead he is making international news. Okay. This tells us that he is useful to the sorts of people who have the power to make people vanish. Why is he useful? What are the opinions he voices which are not the focus of the show and thus become the bedrock reality which everybody takes for granted?
1. He dismisses 9/11 conspiracy theorists as though box-cutter morons really did plan and execute that whole affair without massive help from the Israeli/Western spy club.
2. He is promoting bullshit about Iran's supposed nuclear intentions and capabilities.
Those two things alone cry, "Tool". Then we get this idiotic day-time talk TV trailer park nonsense drama aimed at selling his virtuous bearing to all the retards of the world, who no doubt will lap it up much as they did when Bush sold us the Iraq war based on lies and mis-direction. To anybody who has been paying attention, it is painfully clear what is going on. And frustrating, because the world is full of retards who will follow along with it. Again.
So basically, Wikileaks is just a means of wrapping lies in a burrito of truth.
War with Iran is what Israel wants. Israel would also like very much if people stopped looking into the whole reason 9/11 actually happened.
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You know; the whole
Republicans in the Whitehouse = Uptick in Zombie film popularity.
Democrats = Vampire popularity.
Well, I think that's changed now, because American politics have changed. That is; there are no American politics anymore. We all know it's a sham and people are subconsciously trying to deal with the creeping feeling that at any moment the whole of society will go all shotguns and can-openers.
The zombies which worry me are the ones who currently wear badges. The G20 in Toronto showed that we can't count on our own police to act like sane members of society, but rather will quite willingly attack their own people. (Though, it certainly helps when you bring in police from distant areas who have a vague hate-on for the city they will be swinging truncheons in.)
Unfortunately, when you step out of the subconscious realm and try to problem solve for the same psychological stress points in the upper reaches of your consciousness, then you come to the truly horrific awareness; The zombies have guns and tear gas.
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RFID chips need to be right up close in order to charge, (assuming they don't have their own battery, which the ones attached to higher ticket items do), but once they transmit, the read distance is only limited by the sensitivity of your receiver. To me, that means, "From Orbit".
Maybe I'm over-simplifying, but 200 feet with home brew technology is pretty impressive. I have a feeling that the military has invested a few more pennies in radio technology over the years than Chris Paget.
But that's not the point, because when it comes to tracking people, you don't need to do it from orbit. Heck, this page referenced from the article makes it pretty clear that ubiquitous readers and internet communication is on the horizon. Heck, it's almost here.
People worry about being 'chipped', and maybe they will be, but I think it's kind of pointless. Everybody already carries around their wallet wherever they go, and I know when my credit card expires, the replacement will be armed and ready. That just annoys me! They don't need to read my card from orbit, because in order to track me, all I need to do is walk around the city. Past any random RFID machine which happens to be active. You know, like at doorways to every second retail outlet.
I wonder what would happen if I microwave the chip in my card? Would the magnetic strip still work?
Skit the tinfoil hat. I want my wallet lined with silver!
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Cranking out 5 TRILLION places in Pi is. . , well, it's pretty staggering.
But is anybody else planning to run some explorations through all that data? I expect somebody, somewhere is.
Here's a fun experiment. . .
Draw a picture of Batman on your Wacom, reduce it using some graphics algorithm to the shortest string of digits you possibly can, and search for that string in Pi. He's got to be in there somewhere. . . Probably there's a set of plans for, "How to build an awesome time machine", too.
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Ha ha! I completely missed the red and blue pills.
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Just finished work. I'm so sleepy that anything could make me laugh, but these ones did so especially. . .
Egon Spengler from Ghostbusters.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27826007@N05/4190988749/
J Jonah Jameson
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27826007@N05/4190276747/
George Lucas
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27826007@N05/4176945104/
ALL the STNG figures. Especially Riker and La Forge.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27826007@N05/page10/
Elvis
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27826007@N05/page15/
Batman & Robin, (and Aquaman; that little curl of hair; genius!)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27826007@N05/page16/
Okay. Enough mucking around. I'm yawning and it's sack-hittin' time!
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Notebooks get slow but TVs can be good for decades.
Yes, but indestructible glass won't alter the time frame in which TVs are replaced. It is already true that people don't get rid of old televisions because of worn out glass.
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Thank-you!
I've been trying to work out why this story was bugging me so much. Works like this...
Why do people dispose of laptops and cell phones, etc.? Because the screen breaks? Or because the technology ages, the batteries stop holding a charge, scratches and finger prints show up, all of which, while not preventing the actual chips and hardware from working as designed, nonetheless cause a perception of the device as having worn out?
Basically, to make the next generation of desirable products, (thinner, prettier computers), you need strong glass, but those devices will stop being in vogue within the same product cycle time-frame regardless of how indestructible the glass is. So there's no harm in marketing gorilla glass to the world.
It probably won't be used in products which might threaten to become, as you say, "Buy it once, keep it forever".
Ah. There we go! My cynical circuit has been satisfied. Now I can get on with my day.
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There are two types of people who question authority. Those who question authority, listen to what they say, and make a judgement accordingly, and those who question, and simply ignore the answer, believe exactly what they want to believe, and remain terminally ignorant and uninformed. Did ever even occur to you that there might be an alternative reason behind the implementation of this scheme, aside from the one you cooked up about the movies?
Has it occurred to you that I might actually know what I am talking about? When I question things, I listen exceptionally well. I ask a lot of questions and I listen to everything I can get my ears on. If my resulting judgments seem odd to you, then perhaps that is only because you haven't got enough information.
And that's how stupid one-eyed outlooks grow and thrive. There are far easier, far safer ways to control a population. Besides, did the population really need controlling? Was there about to be a revolution before 9/11?
Wow. Those are some very ignorant questions. You really are in the dark, aren't you? This isn't the forum to try to educate you on such huge, basic realities; it's a big, deep subject, and frankly, I'm not convinced you're worth the effort. -A common belief people labor under is that they are somehow entitled to knowledge without having to work for it. You have eyes and a brain, but you have chosen not to use them to explore. Why should I labor to put material in front of your nose when it has been freely available for years? It sounds very much to me that you are already invested in rejecting it without thinking anyway. Sounds like a big waste of time to me.
Yeah, I go for quality rather than quantity when it comes to a topic. A hundred hours of this B-movie dreck passing through your head is probably worth about half an hour's consideration by just about anyone else here on slashdot. Myself included.
Translation: "I am uninformed and proud of it."
You say, "probably worth"? Exactly. You don't know. Yet you call something dreck without having the knowledge necessary to render such a judgment.
THINK: How can you possibly know high quality information from a hole in the ground if you don't bother to explore enough samples to establish pattern? Pretending that you know based on doing as little research as possible is common laziness.
You know what really strikes me about your post? The complete failure to use logic, or make a convincing argument. I mean, you really haven't made a single convincing point. Not even one. You try to couch your post in logic, and you use the phrases "proof" and "by extension", but you show no indication that you actually understand what they mean. All you do is string together a bunch of absurd claims holding little to no basis in reality.
You say I have not made a single convincing argument? It only seems that way to you because you are unfamiliar with the material I am referencing. I've referred to objective realities which any responsible individual will have already taken the time to become informed regarding. Many of these items are no longer even points of debate; they are established facts and I'm not going to waste my time bringing you up to speed.
Your level of awareness is your problem, not mine.
Now go away and do some reading and some critical analysis and stop wasting my time.
Bye now.
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Thanks for offering these insights.
I have a couple of questions. . .
1. Who is funding this research?
2. How does it respond to psychopathic brains?
Thanks.
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Information is information, and given a choice of it being repressed and being made available, I'll almost always choose the latter. This is a real decision made by "the idiots in charge", and if nothing else, the information that this decision was made is information about the quality of leadership.
This is certainly a valid approach, but it's not where we started from and it's not what I was complaining about. I don't want silence from the media. I want responsible reporting, but above all, I want a cessation of manipulative tactics designed to keep a population fearful. Fear and anxiety are the keys to population control; they are incredibly effective. And now we are told the following. . .
A. That the entire internet is in danger of being destroyed by bad people. (Even a small and unlikely danger noted registers deeply in the brain; for instance, "birthday serial killers" scare populations far out of proportion with the actual threat level because the subconscious isn't good at probability maths. This is why we can spend hours worrying about things which never happen. This is well understood in the persuasion sciences. Also understood, is that when jolted by fear or anxiety, the associated message lodges far more deeply in the brain than otherwise. There is SO much understood about how to manipulate humans and this article is dripping with it. Journalists, of all people, should have at least a passing understanding of this stuff.)
B. That our fearless leaders have taken spy-thriller steps to ensure our safety rather than opting for far less dramatic redundant back-up systems. This is due to our having been programmed by films and television. Even while consciously aware that a Bruce Willis film is fundamentally silly, the emotional programming remains, so when we are presented with similar patterns in the real world, we have the same gut level reactions. It's very hard to prevent that. Again, more psych science.
C. By extension, the world is full of awful things, that there is the real danger that our lives might be interrupted by terrorism at any moment. I don't know what you think of the whole 9/11 fiasco, but the digging and examination of the facts and events of that day hasn't stopped, and the picture is today more clear than ever. Thinking people who make the effort to inform themselves rather than believe the sanctioned media and elected representatives have come to the conclusion that it was a giant sham event driven by manipulative forces for political purposes. It's well-worth reading everything you can get on that subject, weeding out the junk and doing comparative analysis to determine the key features. Essentially, the whole charade was perpetrated by Nixon era psychopaths and their proteges, and pushed over the top by Israel.
D. By unspoken extension, when a further power grab and erosion of civil liberties comes around every two weeks, we all understand that it is just a small step with good reason. After all, Bad People could attack us at any moment, right? I mean, as proof we only need to look at our leadership; they carry spy-movie key cards to re-boot the internet in case of spy-movie attack! And if that's a real possibility then we really MUST be in the middle of the new cold war! It's self perpetuating "truth"; a fiction created at the top and sold to us through the media, duly reported on Slashdot and defended by ignorant hobbits who don't realize that they are fighting to protect the very forces keeping them under thumb in some population-wide expression of Stockholm Syndrome.
And THAT whole menu is the bullshit I reject. The psychology is well-understood. We know who has studied the mind-game mechanics of it, who endorsed and invested in it as policy. We know many of the names, the places, the dates. Why? Because THAT is information. Real information. By contrast, the newspaper informing us of the next stupid thing to be afraid of is not the same kind of thing. A lie is technically 'information', bu
Some of us like to remain informed.
Except this is only "information" in so far as it is the latest plot device made real by the idiots in charge. That means this is a social engineering exercise, (a variation on basic propaganda).
Learn to spot the difference. It's important.
In any case, the delivery needn't be couched in endless, pedantic terms of "Terrorist Attack". I can hardly believe people haven't figured out yet that they're being manipulated. How stupid does a person have to be to not get that simple fact at this late date?
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