Then you should come to my company's server room. It set so they can take clients through on tours, and they WON'T need a coat. It's the warmest server room I've ever been in. In fact, due to their poor planning, there are spots in the room that actually make you sweat as they are so hot.
Oh and they just built this room like 6 months ago, so it has 3 industral air conditioning units....
Aparently you have never talked to a Marine or been around Marines. Hell, or ever been around the miltary in general. The premise of the show was, basicly, Marines in the Future. After having gone through my four in the Marines, I can tell you YES! they would use highly, and expensively trained Marines like that. Every Marine has it pounded into his head that he is FIRST and FORTMOST (sp?) a rifle carrying grunt, THEN he is a fighter pilot/computer programmer/etc.....
You should really produce the "Error messages would be passed through text-to-speech and yelled at you in Esperanto with a drunken-french accent.. ". It would be a blast to install on a users windows computer.....
WTF are you talking about? While I, unlike you, can only comment on personal experiences. Every Jail/Prison that has gone up in my state was because of the MASSIVE OVERCROWDING of prisons. Now I'm not talking about why they are overcrowded, just showing you the error in "It has created a boom in the industry, and the police is litterally forced to jail more people in order to keep that boom going. Jailhouses are being built before there are even one prisoner to fill them!! Many jailhouses in the US are empty,...". This is so much crap I want to puke. We have had prisoners bring lawsuits against the Govt because they were stacking 4 to 6 prisoners in an area ment for 2 (2 beds, toliet,sink, etc). The fact is the majority (something like 90% +) of prisons are overcrowded. Please if your going to rant, at least make it intelligent.
"there was a whole sequence describing their RAM and processors, most decidedly Intel(ish). The laptops were never really identified as any specifict type..." - This sequence took place in the character's room that was played by Angelina Jolie. And if you looked, clearly marked on the top of the notebook(which was facing the camera), was the Apple/Mac symbol. And yes during the big hack scene at the end, your couldn't tell any symbols because they had "decked-out" their computers.
"Please get your story straight before you start accusing people. Otherwise, your ignorace is only made that much more obvious." Wow, I was not attacking you, but apparently your ego took a hit. I humbly submit my sincerest apologies for telling you where your joke was wrong.....may I suffer a thousand deaths Oh Great One........
True...I guess what I was trying to get at was this, where is it guaranteed that they can keep their current business model. Your right, their copyright is in the consitution, but not how to capitalize on it....
Since when did it become that the consitution guarantees "...life,liberty, the pursuit of happyiness, and Hollywood producing content."
I mean, when did it become that we HAVE to make sure Hollywood push out more crap. With a notable few exceptions, would our lives be any different without the hordes of movies that see how many cars can blow up, or how many people can be killed with a soup spoon. Or without the billions of recordings of the Backstreet boys.
Every time I read about why some company is putting in DRM (Digital Rape Mechanism), they reason it out saying so Hollywood can give us high-quality content. BAH! That is the biggest load of crap there is....enough ranting, haven't had my coffee yet....
Interesting arguements....simplistic, but interesting.
Several people here have commented on the fact its QUOTE their UNQUOTE equipment, etc etc. And yet there are examples of when a company is restricted from doing whatever they want on THEIR equipment. For example: Radio stations, TV stations, etc. Just because they own the equipment to broadcast to millions of people, doesn't mean they can decide to broadcast porn all day long (not encrypted). The access to the internet should similar, allowing everything to your door. And you deciding what you want to read, see and hear.
And on my comment about the judge, what I ment was this: There is currently a lawsuit from the RIAA against several major ISPs. Now however much we hate it, the law is probly more on the RIAA side, due to current copyright law. And the judge is going to ask the ISPs why are you not blocking this website? And this smaller ISP has shot several arguements such as:
We are not in the business of censoring. - well now they shown they are.
We don't have the time/manpower to block every website that might have offending material - The judge is just going to say, TRY.
We are not here to make judgements on contend - there goes that one too.
And many others...
Mainly, what I'm trying to get at is, this will cause more harm then good.
When a private entity decides which speech will be available on its private resources, that IS free speech, not censorship. If you don't like the choices that entity makes, get your own resources and compete with them. An ISP is not a "common carrier" and thus they are completely within their rights to adopt ANY content policy they choose. Censoring blackhole lists is a violation of free speech, not an act that upholds it.
So by your arguement, AOL TW can and should stop all traffic it deems unacceptable. And that would be free speech.
I'm sorry but your thought is flawed, just because a private company has control over something, they still don't have the right to infringe on anyone's rights.(for example Microsoft, and their OS).
By the way, excuse the horrible italics and bold in my inital post. I was sleepy and not thinking straight:)
While I think giving one to the RIAA is great. But I think this is wrong too. I want no one and no corp deciding what should be accessed across their backbones/routers/etc. This is as bad as the RIAA trying to sue ISPs for NOT blocking offending websites. Now all a judge has to ask is "Is it possible to block access to a single website?", and the RIAA will give this ISP up as an example.
Everyone should be against any censorship!! May the RIAA burn in hell, but this ISP is no better....
Hell, this will proubly be modded down to hell, but think about what this could do to all our freedoms....
That was a very elegent (sp?) way of stating the difference between IT and the rest.
He did forget one point, as IT we don't usually see managers as a person that is higher then us. We all realize that every shop needs a couple of GOOD managers to keep everything running smoothly. But we see managers as another job, not higher or lower then IT grunts.
Thats another major diff between your average IT worker (or good IT worker) and the rest of the company.
In fact, it usually pisses off other managers that have not learned how to manage IT workers....
that Americans know first hand (and second, third) what can happen to freedom. I've seen many other posts on here from citizens of countries with a National ID, and they say that it doesn't hurt privacy and that its gold in their hands.
The problem (or potental problem) is that how do you assure that 1)the information is safe (from hackers,crackers,id thieves, goverment officals), 2)that it won't be used for evil (for example Nazis or the Soviet Union) and 3)that only the proper (read: legally held responsible ones) people have access to your data. I feel fear everytime I hear about this crap (even though it is currently in place anyway), because I don't want my local librarian or grocery store, knowing if I have an STD or I'm gay or I'm a smoker, or I'm a buddist or I'm a Christian or I'm overdrawn or I'm divorced, etc etc.
Americans for all their bitching, know that freedom is easy to lose (even though they passed the Goddamned USAPA). And even harder to get back. And you are also talking about some of the more enlightened ones (those that read slashdot), as they think about these things and understand the technology involved.
I have some questions for those in countries with national ids....Would you feel safe if you we in the Unpopular minority of your country? Do you think that that national registry, would protect you if they suddenly declared all (insert your favorite minority here) to be evil and must be cleansed from the earth for the good of your country?.....people rarely want to think scary thoughts.
The rappers you see are nothing more then an image. What you don't see is the rapper of old, who sells just enough records and gets just enough to live on. And still works all week! You realize that for the ones that don't own their own label (which means that they keep a larger majority of the earnings and the earnings of other artists), all that crap is bought by three ways:1)Moregage (sp?) themselves silly, because you know their first album was a hit, so the money just going to keep coming. 2)They borrow it, like all that jewerly that you see celebs wear around town. All "borrowed" from one diamond store in Beverley Hills.3)The labels (aka the evil ones) provide it, and you had better be sure that they take it back after they no longer sell albums.....Hell for the classic example look at MC Hammer, or TLC or...... I think the only "artist" that earned actual money was Alanis Morisate (sp, oh who cares), she negoicated with MP3.com to fund her turn and instead of money, she took stock in the company BEFORE it went public. And when it did,she made a cool couple of mill. And then had the gall to turn around and comdemn mp3s......Heres a last thought for you, if these "rappers" and other artists are making so much money...Why don't you see some 80's bands on Cribs, or 70's bands or Rappers that were a big hit a couple of years ago....hmmmmmmmm?
Appearently you believe everything will have a small database locally with which to confer. YOU MORON!!! Its not the devices you should worry about its the INFORMATION you should worry about.
What happens if someone changes their bio data for yours.OOPPSS, they just became you, with all rights and privaliges. Including all the money in your bank account, your work history, your medical history, etc.....
Could you think this might just be a little bad???
And What happens when McDonald's puts iris scanners at the doors, you know to keep out the QUOTE TERRORIST UNQUOTE. They will then be able to tell, that you come in every thursday for a big mac (which is not helping your artires), and a large shake (which is certainly not helping your weight, in fact the goverment has sent you several emails already about cutting back)....Just think about it, its frigging scary
WOW! If you actually follow what you say you do...You must own nothing at all (al la Fight Club)....Which in turns begs the question....How did you post your comment? (you must have a computer, connection, and OS. All conveniently advertisted....hmmmmmmmm)
This is not exactly true....the entertainment industry (including records, movies,etc.) makes approx. $30 Billion US.....while the computer industry (including hardware and software) makes approx $600 Billion US.
A better question would be "Why are we trying to help such a small industry?" or "Why does a 30B industry get to tell a 600B industry how to do its job (ie: include content controls in computers)?"
I think the first question I have is why did you accept a job as an aerospace engineer (or what ever) and then let them place you on the roof looking for "attacks"?
My second question is, why were you not a member of the union?
From your post, yes unions are known to be corrupt and desrutive. But the good that they did and can do is evident. You work a 40 work week, Yes? You receive overtime (if not salaried) Yes? You don't work in a sweatshop Right? You have health/dental/etc Right? You receive a certain wage based upon contract and work you have done, Right? You have a pension, or retirement plan, Right? You unfortunely don't know your history.
These are all things fought for with blood, by UNIONS. Many people fought for and died for those "RIGHTS" that you claim in your right-to-work state. I agree not everyone should be in a union, but you can not claim what they have worked for without due credit.
And I also believe that if IT workers unionized, they would have a better say in contract neg, salary, etc. Right now programmers that have 20 years exp. are being fired, just because they are older....
Just wait until you can't get what you need or have forcibly taken from you benefits that your company promised you. Then I'm sure you'll be part of a group of voices complaining about your situation, trying to get Congress to enact some law to make your life easier....sad....
(this would be fun!) get the BSA to audit their pal Microsoft. Last I heard, M$ had some 250,000 PCs on site -- want to bet that every single one has every piece of software properly licensed??
What a funny funny thought. Did you even think this through? Its sort of like saying: I wonder if the Grocer (ie microcrap) ever goes hungry (ie go without a license on anything) while he works in a huge food store (MS)? If they want a license for anything, they just go to the parent company and give them a incentive (ie include their software in a MS install, give a good rate on MS products, etc.) to give microcrap a license forever.
actually to extend the metaphor, it would be:
return the car to the dealer who will allow you to exchange said car for one exactly like said car.
So in reality, I doubt click throught EULAs are enforcable since once bought, you can not return the product if you don't agree with the EULA (since you have to install the software to see the EULA you agreed to by opening the box). Thereby making it a dicate from a dictorship, instead of a contract between two consenting parties.
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Then you should come to my company's server room. It set so they can take clients through on tours, and they WON'T need a coat. It's the warmest server room I've ever been in. In fact, due to their poor planning, there are spots in the room that actually make you sweat as they are so hot.
Oh and they just built this room like 6 months ago, so it has 3 industral air conditioning units....
If you thing sex is a low impact sport....Then man are you doing it wrong!
Aparently you have never talked to a Marine or been around Marines. Hell, or ever been around the miltary in general.
The premise of the show was, basicly, Marines in the Future. After having gone through my four in the Marines, I can tell you YES! they would use highly, and expensively trained Marines like that. Every Marine has it pounded into his head that he is FIRST and FORTMOST (sp?) a rifle carrying grunt, THEN he is a fighter pilot/computer programmer/etc.....
You should really produce the "Error messages would be passed through text-to-speech and yelled at you in Esperanto with a drunken-french accent.. ". It would be a blast to install on a users windows computer.....
WTF are you talking about? While I, unlike you, can only comment on personal experiences. Every Jail/Prison that has gone up in my state was because of the MASSIVE OVERCROWDING of prisons. Now I'm not talking about why they are overcrowded, just showing you the error in "It has created a boom in the industry, and the police is litterally forced to jail more people in order to keep that boom going. Jailhouses are being built before there are even one prisoner to fill them!! Many jailhouses in the US are empty,...". This is so much crap I want to puke. We have had prisoners bring lawsuits against the Govt because they were stacking 4 to 6 prisoners in an area ment for 2 (2 beds, toliet,sink, etc). The fact is the majority (something like 90% +) of prisons are overcrowded. Please if your going to rant, at least make it intelligent.
Yet they would get prosecuted the same...
Is this right???
"Please get your story straight before you start accusing people. Otherwise, your ignorace is only made that much more obvious." Wow, I was not attacking you, but apparently your ego took a hit. I humbly submit my sincerest apologies for telling you where your joke was wrong.....may I suffer a thousand deaths Oh Great One........
True...I guess what I was trying to get at was this, where is it guaranteed that they can keep their current business model. Your right, their copyright is in the consitution, but not how to capitalize on it....
It was Mac laptops. Actually watch the movie....
I mean, when did it become that we HAVE to make sure Hollywood push out more crap. With a notable few exceptions, would our lives be any different without the hordes of movies that see how many cars can blow up, or how many people can be killed with a soup spoon. Or without the billions of recordings of the Backstreet boys.
Every time I read about why some company is putting in DRM (Digital Rape Mechanism), they reason it out saying so Hollywood can give us high-quality content. BAH! That is the biggest load of crap there is....enough ranting, haven't had my coffee yet....
Can you give reading or examples/urls of that generator that uses dripping water? I would like to play with that.
NO NO NO its "Panzers make baby Jesus cry..."
Several people here have commented on the fact its QUOTE their UNQUOTE equipment, etc etc. And yet there are examples of when a company is restricted from doing whatever they want on THEIR equipment. For example: Radio stations, TV stations, etc. Just because they own the equipment to broadcast to millions of people, doesn't mean they can decide to broadcast porn all day long (not encrypted). The access to the internet should similar, allowing everything to your door. And you deciding what you want to read, see and hear.
And on my comment about the judge, what I ment was this: There is currently a lawsuit from the RIAA against several major ISPs. Now however much we hate it, the law is probly more on the RIAA side, due to current copyright law. And the judge is going to ask the ISPs why are you not blocking this website?
And this smaller ISP has shot several arguements such as:
Mainly, what I'm trying to get at is, this will cause more harm then good.
So by your arguement, AOL TW can and should stop all traffic it deems unacceptable. And that would be free speech.
I'm sorry but your thought is flawed, just because a private company has control over something, they still don't have the right to infringe on anyone's rights.(for example Microsoft, and their OS).
By the way, excuse the horrible italics and bold in my inital post. I was sleepy and not thinking straight :)
Everyone should be against any censorship!! May the RIAA burn in hell , but this ISP is no better....
Hell, this will proubly be modded down to hell, but think about what this could do to all our freedoms....
That was a very elegent (sp?) way of stating the difference between IT and the rest.
He did forget one point, as IT we don't usually see managers as a person that is higher then us. We all realize that every shop needs a couple of GOOD managers to keep everything running smoothly. But we see managers as another job, not higher or lower then IT grunts.
Thats another major diff between your average IT worker (or good IT worker) and the rest of the company.
In fact, it usually pisses off other managers that have not learned how to manage IT workers....
The problem (or potental problem) is that how do you assure that 1)the information is safe (from hackers,crackers,id thieves, goverment officals), 2)that it won't be used for evil (for example Nazis or the Soviet Union) and 3)that only the proper (read: legally held responsible ones) people have access to your data. I feel fear everytime I hear about this crap (even though it is currently in place anyway), because I don't want my local librarian or grocery store, knowing if I have an STD or I'm gay or I'm a smoker, or I'm a buddist or I'm a Christian or I'm overdrawn or I'm divorced, etc etc.
Americans for all their bitching, know that freedom is easy to lose (even though they passed the Goddamned USAPA). And even harder to get back. And you are also talking about some of the more enlightened ones (those that read slashdot), as they think about these things and understand the technology involved.
I have some questions for those in countries with national ids....Would you feel safe if you we in the Unpopular minority of your country? Do you think that that national registry, would protect you if they suddenly declared all (insert your favorite minority here) to be evil and must be cleansed from the earth for the good of your country?.....people rarely want to think scary thoughts.
The rappers you see are nothing more then an image. What you don't see is the rapper of old, who sells just enough records and gets just enough to live on. And still works all week! ...... I think the only "artist" that earned actual money was Alanis Morisate (sp, oh who cares), she negoicated with MP3.com to fund her turn and instead of money, she took stock in the company BEFORE it went public. And when it did,she made a cool couple of mill. And then had the gall to turn around and comdemn mp3s. .....Heres a last thought for you, if these "rappers" and other artists are making so much money...Why don't you see some 80's bands on Cribs, or 70's bands or Rappers that were a big hit a couple of years ago....hmmmmmmmm?
You realize that for the ones that don't own their own label (which means that they keep a larger majority of the earnings and the earnings of other artists), all that crap is bought by three ways:1)Moregage (sp?) themselves silly, because you know their first album was a hit, so the money just going to keep coming. 2)They borrow it, like all that jewerly that you see celebs wear around town. All "borrowed" from one diamond store in Beverley Hills.3)The labels (aka the evil ones) provide it, and you had better be sure that they take it back after they no longer sell albums.....Hell for the classic example look at MC Hammer, or TLC or
Appearently you believe everything will have a small database locally with which to confer. YOU MORON!!! Its not the devices you should worry about its the INFORMATION you should worry about.
What happens if someone changes their bio data for yours.OOPPSS, they just became you, with all rights and privaliges. Including all the money in your bank account, your work history, your medical history, etc.....
Could you think this might just be a little bad???
And What happens when McDonald's puts iris scanners at the doors, you know to keep out the QUOTE TERRORIST UNQUOTE. They will then be able to tell, that you come in every thursday for a big mac (which is not helping your artires), and a large shake (which is certainly not helping your weight, in fact the goverment has sent you several emails already about cutting back)....Just think about it, its frigging scary
WOW! If you actually follow what you say you do...You must own nothing at all (al la Fight Club)....Which in turns begs the question....How did you post your comment? (you must have a computer, connection, and OS. All conveniently advertisted....hmmmmmmmm)
This is not exactly true....the entertainment industry (including records, movies,etc.) makes approx. $30 Billion US.....while the computer industry (including hardware and software) makes approx $600 Billion US.
A better question would be "Why are we trying to help such a small industry?" or "Why does a 30B industry get to tell a 600B industry how to do its job (ie: include content controls in computers)?"
The Matrix is the Star Wars of our generation ....
My second question is, why were you not a member of the union?
From your post, yes unions are known to be corrupt and desrutive. But the good that they did and can do is evident. You work a 40 work week, Yes? You receive overtime (if not salaried) Yes? You don't work in a sweatshop Right? You have health/dental/etc Right? You receive a certain wage based upon contract and work you have done, Right? You have a pension, or retirement plan, Right? You unfortunely don't know your history.
These are all things fought for with blood, by UNIONS. Many people fought for and died for those "RIGHTS" that you claim in your right-to-work state. I agree not everyone should be in a union, but you can not claim what they have worked for without due credit.
And I also believe that if IT workers unionized, they would have a better say in contract neg, salary, etc. Right now programmers that have 20 years exp. are being fired, just because they are older....
Just wait until you can't get what you need or have forcibly taken from you benefits that your company promised you. Then I'm sure you'll be part of a group of voices complaining about your situation, trying to get Congress to enact some law to make your life easier....sad....
(this would be fun!) get the BSA to audit their pal Microsoft. Last I heard, M$ had some 250,000 PCs on site -- want to bet that every single one has every piece of software properly licensed??
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What a funny funny thought. Did you even think this through? Its sort of like saying
I wonder if the Grocer (ie microcrap) ever goes hungry (ie go without a license on anything) while he works in a huge food store (MS)?
If they want a license for anything, they just go to the parent company and give them a incentive (ie include their software in a MS install, give a good rate on MS products, etc.) to give microcrap a license forever.
have the dealer return for the car and a refund.
actually to extend the metaphor, it would be: return the car to the dealer who will allow you to exchange said car for one exactly like said car.
So in reality, I doubt click throught EULAs are enforcable since once bought, you can not return the product if you don't agree with the EULA (since you have to install the software to see the EULA you agreed to by opening the box). Thereby making it a dicate from a dictorship, instead of a contract between two consenting parties.