"I see that as a good thing. What possible reason is there to have file and printer sharing open to the internet?"
Arg, thinking like this just irritates the hell out of me. Get this through your head please. It's MY computer, I'll do whatever the hell I want with it. If I'm breaking laws or causing a problem for you, THEN you may actually be an interested party. Don't we already have enough damn inane laws/regulation to protect us from ourselves?
Delegating the responsibility for controlling a machine that could pontentially affect others to the owner isn't too much to ask, is it? Hell, we do it everything else!
"Gee, I didn't realize that if my brakes didn't work I could run someone over with my car..."
Yeah, educating the users is a good thing. But they should already have some common sense.
I always tend to shock others when I say that home users should be eligable for criminal (not civil) fines for their (usually intentional) ignorance. I'll gladly pay taxes to hire some actually competant "internet cops" to weed out US problems and act for the US for international problems.
I'm very much into freedom of speech and various civil liberties, but c'mon, let's have some common sense and realize that what we do affects others...
+5 Insightful? The poster and whoever modded 'em obviously knows nothing about what's going on.
The damn cleanup worm's auto-terminate date is Jan 1, 2004.
Lesser of two evils? Do you know how every bit of code executes on any given customized system? If not, you probably shouldn't be illegally penetrating systems to run code on them should you? Idiot. This is all virus writers are doing, just by proxy.
Whoever wrote this supposedly "beneficial" worm should get as much jail time as the orgional virus writer, if not more for being such a arrogant moron.
"Since you're so worried about it, I hope you turned this feature off, then - but perhaps it's just as well, since it probably installed the RPC DCOM fix for you: right?"
Which leads me to wonder, as an earlier post did: why on earth is this system sitting connected to the Internet?
It might've installed the patch, if someone set it up that way. It's probably setup with 'net access for that reason. The clerk who seems to know better sounds like just a clerk though, and is probably (hopefully) locked out of administrative functions.
But then, probably not. Anyone who doesn't know by now not to just automagically update without warning or testing on a system you rely on is just too incompetant to be doing the job.
Okay, I'm hopelessly drunk and you're (supposedly) a coder that should know better.
I mean, just cause a system doesn't have a sysadmin... In the last day I've spent a total of about an hour getting @50+ users booted off (or at least having their internet connections temporarily severed) my home ISP's subnet(s). My fucking logger couldn't properly keep up with all the traffic this was generating!
With all the emulated and specialized systems out there, can you guarantee that any code you write will run properly on all systems?
Of course not. If you believe that, you're hopelessly naive and shouldn't be allowed near a compiler or interpreter.
Believe it or not, I have actually looked into this (and I'm hosed, find sources yourself...), but almost all of the supposedly "beneficial" worms/virii out there have caused more problems or at least as many problems as whatever it was they were trying to do or fix!
Whoever the idiot is that distributes something like a "clean up worm" deserves as much federal "pound me in the ass" prison as any of the other virus writers out there that have gotten such sentances...
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
"Ignorance is no excuse for fucking up and completely hosing some random stranger's system."
Granted, Win2k is prolly the best out for windows applications, but c'mon, unpatched/unstripped?
Are you suicidal?!
I've been having problems enough securing my Win2k machine securely, running only required (by me) services, and goddamn fully patched. Even though MS's patches break all my goddamn custom/low level apps.
Five minutes? If you're unware on an unpatched base Win2k install on an older service pack, it takes 5 seconds to hopelessly compromise a default Win2k install if you're unlucky.:P
So I'm guessing you've got a Red Hat house, right? How many times have you reinstalled Red Hat - even to 'upgrade'? Once? That's too much. There is ONE reason to reboot a machine - to change the kernel. Other than that, there is absolutely no good reason to reboot at all. Worst comes to worst, switch to single-user, then kick back up to multi-user.
Sighs, thanks for the advice. Yeah, I got started on RedHat since a good friend of mine is/was a code contributor. I've tinkered with quite a few different flavors. Then I became a code contributor after learning for a few years. On quite a few different flavors of linux.
You're still missing the point. Intentionally, I'm thinking. If you don't want the latest flavor of a Debian machine, and want specific previous versions for compat or production or testing reasons, you need a list of packages, irregardless of what system type you use. That's why I objected to some of your previous and overblown (in my estimation) statements.
"With Red Hat, you can't - a Red Hat 6.2 distribution has to be 'upgraded' to a 7.0 distribution. This is what makes it easy to upgrade. I never have to worry about Hey, should I upgrade to Debian 3.0? Hell, I didn't even KNOW when Debian 3.0 came out - I just noticed "wow, my login changed. That's neat!"
Oh god, if I ever did that in a business environment I'd be toast...
Yeeeeess, while the package behavior may be as you say, I was speaking more towards versioning control.
"I've never been happier since I converted my lab's PCs to all Debian. Yah, it's small, but I have to handle something like 7-10 PCs, and having them all in almost exactly the same state (which is far harder to do in Red Hat than in Debian) is SO nice."
Oh sure, you can just "apt-get update" to mirror the latest stable (or however), but it you're looking for specific sets of code, in specific versions, then just rattling off a quick command to "just work" and get all the most current stuff isn't exactly an option, no? You still have to put together at least a package list to grab. Can do the same thing with RPMs.
I've done it quite a few times rebuilding a specific machine state when I've been tinkering and not quite understanding what I'm doing with the code I'm massaging. Far harder? *snort* Takes maybe 5 minutes to setup, and isn't tough, even for someone that still has to look up some options on RPM's.
I just think the whole apt/rpm crusade is a bit overstated since they're both so easy to manage. *shrugs* Maybe it was just the bias that rubbed me the wrong way...
Nothing special. Nothing amazing. Just missing the point...
I've never been happier since I converted my lab's PCs to all Debian. Yah, it's small, but I have to handle something like 7-10 PCs, and having them all in almost exactly the same state (which is far harder to do in Red Hat than in Debian) is SO nice.
Now don't get me wrong, I am far from a linux guru...
But couldn't this be simply solved by having a local source or package repository? If you've got a cluster of systems you need to keep versioned, I'd think that this is pretty damned straightforward. You can even use a simple shell or perl script to whip up a package/version manifest in case you need to regenerate your repository. Tough...
Why would RedHat be so much harder to do this for than Debian? I know how installing RPMs work, it's fairly trivial with well behaved RPMs. If you need to tweak a bit, write an install scriptlet that makes sure it does whatever in the right order. Sure, it's one more step than "apt get whatever", but really a very simple one.
Being manufactured they are rather cheap. The jewel grade stones will be sold at about half fo what debeers is selling thier diamonds for.
Did it actually give a percentage like that?
Considering that they stated that a 1 carat stone cost them $5 to make... (not from scratch, but ya know, not counting equipment)
Oh, hell, never mind. Not like I'm complaining(lol), and I'm sure they've incurred major costs just in the security area alone. I'm just glad they're developing this type of thing with an eye towards the technology market.
That chemical vapor deposition method sounds rather interesting, as I'm not sure if there would be anything really limiting growth using this. The more surface area you have, the more accumulates, the more usuable material you get. But then, I know pretty much next to nothing about the details of the process or if that would be possible.
Wouldn't it be interesting though if you could produce diamonds the size of bricks with enough facilities and once your seeds get grown large enough though? *laughs* You'd still have your time and accumulation wait, but something like that would just be insane.:)
Ah well, enough pure speculation. Maybe we'll just have to find something with some real meaning behind it to give to our collective future wives instead of an expensive piece of carbon.
Ssh! Don't tell them they're being so badly exploited by being "forced" to create OSS!
They might not even care!
PS: If your sarcasm software is on the fritz, please gain a clue by application of an appropriately wielded 2x4 or whatever.:)
If someone goes through all the bother of putting together (ie:programming) a fairly complete software package and then decides to GPL it or make it OSS, it'd be fairly dense to think they'd be silly enough to miss one of the most obvious points of OSS or the GPL and the purpose behind it, no?
Strangely enough, the only people getting worked up by the cries of "Oppressor!" were the ones doing the shouting... even among the amused "victims".
Yeah, I agree with all the metaphor quibbling. Tends to be pretty pointless anyway, but you made a few comments that bug me.;)
>>You see, almost every day I get kiddie porn >>spam. Young russian girls, y.o.u.n.g BOYZ!, >>girls and horses, all kinds of crap.
>For some reason I think you are confusing child >pornography with the *HOT HOT TEENS TEENS* mails >that everyone receives every once in a while. If >I'd receive spam for child pornography I'd make >damn sure that that account is killed off, and >my mailclient is squeeky clean of "backup" files.
Why? Are you insane? You're going to nuke email accounts that can be more of a pain in the ass and have more trouble with changing than getting a Drivers License renewed? Lose $$$ and hours upon hours of your life dicking that? Some people actually use email quite a bit in their real world jobs/business/hobbies/etc and this is just not an option to totally abandon an account just because some whack job sent you a nasty email.
>>could something like this be used as a form of >>entrapment?
>Entrapment from who? The government? The law? If >someone plans on sending you child pornography >as an elaborate skeem to get you in jail, then >you have made an enemy of someone in ways that >I'd never like to make enemies.
Well, obviously that would be entrapment, as you can't control who send you email from the public internet. Forged headers, spam, etc. You know the drill.
But it could happen that you've got some in your recycle bin or accidentally (or trojan'd) downloaded/deleted and recoverable if your computer ever gets investigated for any reason. Then what?
You're screwed, and that's why I've shelled out hard earned cash for secure/proven deletion/overwriting tools that meet or exceed DoD specs. (And, yes, they work - it at least does what it claims, although I haven't taken a wiped drive to a forensics expert to work over. But data I don't want around has been written over X amount of times. Along with my temp files, cache, etc.:( Big pain in the ass, anyway.)
Why do I take such precautions? Gee, I must have done something wrong... Or not, and I'm a fairly ordinary guy with a somewhat naturally paranoid streak that's been exacerbated by other events in his life. A few people that I know of don't like me, and have tried stunts like calling in anonymous tips on me for doing the craziest stuff. But I usually get checked up on most times, even though the cops around here know me well enough by now that they're more curious about who I pissed off. Unfortunately, they losers are as careful as I am, even though I don't play dirty pool.:P
The same can happen to anyone else, if you irritate the wrong person... or even just get bored or lonely/horny one night and surf for some legal porn - and the wrong popup appears.
PS: Forgive the old style quoting that doesn't work. Post is too long, and I don't really care that it doesn't work. It gets the point across.
What bothers me is that even with computers arguably being so damn easy to use and learn, is that nobody has the slightest inclination to even want to try to understand what's going on when you do something on one. Even if it makes their job easier, or just by retaining the information that others try and impart during training or everyday use.
When I'm helping someone I usually try to impart just a little bit of the underlying theory (ie:what's going on) behind the software and %95 of the time I get blank looks and responses like, "Oh, I'm just not a computer person" (which means they don't even try.), even when I speak without using any acronyms, technical terms, or overly qualifying everything - which I've found just usually confuses people even more. (Sure, you can do just about anything with software (eventually) on descent hardware, the only problem is the time and investment required)
The scary part is, for the %5 of those that actually give a crap and listen or want to learn something, they usually tell me that I've got an amazing knack for explaining technical matters and that they've never understood even when they've had it gone over a few times before.
It's like computers are almost taking on religious overtones - people just take it on faith that they are crashy/insecure (MS), are hard to use (unix/linux/anything text mode), and so they don't even try.:(
I'm surprising the hell out of myself by saying this, but civil "damages" have to be awarded by a court and a judge, have to be pressed, expert witnesses paid for, and take forever.
I'd be okay with seeing well trained "laptop cops" tracing some of the lame ass script kiddies around and slapping them with criminal fines. And if the person they routed through hasn't used "windows update" since they got the system in 1998, slap them with a smaller, reasonable fine too. If you actually own a computer, chance are you can cough up $50-$100 (or whatever) for a fine eventually, and you'll be damn sure to read up on how to take a few simple steps to make sure it doesn't happen again. (Think basic maintenance for a car, which can cause accidents and financial damage.:P) You'll get evidence on the people hackers and script kiddies route through if you get the actual "bad guy" anyway. Ticket the people that get routed through enough, and you'll find less and less of them, making it subjectively easier (in some cases), to track the end (ab)user. Granted, this would only work fairly well if the connections stayed in the same legal system, cause things would pretty much dead end once you hit an international boundary. SSH, telnet, or an open proxy anyone?
The whole point of communicating is getting the idea across. Now, don't get me wrong, spelling and grammer matter. I just don't think they matter enough to argue over.
It's a proven fact that languages constantly evolve, at least if it's getting any "better" or "worse". After all, evolution is just change, even if it's a matter of languages.
The only place I could ever seeing it matter is when you're naming variables, as seems to be what sparked this whole thing. Who really cares? As long as it's consistant, I sure don't.
And yeah, I've coded using both ways of spelling, with "colour" or "flavour" and with "color" or "flavor". One extra little automated step to "s/{@|%}*color/{@|%}@*colour" or just type it differently or whatever makes almost no difference in the whole scheme of things.
Hrm, this is my second "good job" posting in as many days. Some people on here actually do think(I was beginning to wonder). I'm not usually this effusive, but I don't think I've ever seen what I would just blow off and ignore as a regular/. troll responded to better, especially in this context.:)
Woo hoo and cheers! I'd just like to second your opinion, and let you know I'd mod you up if I had mod points.:)
We(the US) aren't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, and the quest for improvement should continue endlessly, but we seem to be doing alright comparitively so far.
Not to mention that laws that are only selectively enforced just plain need to be taken off the books. Granted, situation matters and some discretion is required, but that's what I thought judges were for.
Being arrested and held when there aren't specific records of the crime or there isn't personal knowledge of the illegal activity specified shouldn't happen. But it does.
Happened to me in fact. A minor, piddling thing comparatively, but being forced to shell out $350 right then, in cash (as in paper money) or sitting in jail for three days and losing thousands of dollars in business and having an arrest record no matter the trial outcome sucks. I'm just glad I went to an ATM prior to getting arrested. *shrugs*
Oh sure. The ends justify the means. Hell, get a grip will you? Do YOU want to be arrested and held without communications or being charged while being interrogated for weeks on end? I'm not sure what else to call 5 weeks of that...
Asinine bullshit like that happens, and nobody believes it until it happens to you. Hell, I've gotten arrested for theft of fucking library books. Handcuffed, patted down, and put in a squad car, I would've gotten held in a county jail for a three day weekend if I didn't have the $350 in my wallet to pay the ticket then and there. No checks allowed, no credit cards allowed. Cash only. Over two books, a $15 max value (only ones *I* recall even getting) that I apparently lost when my fiancee and I split up. My bad, I'll admit they may have gotten misplaced. I still don't know what books they were or have any "proof" that I didn't return the books, a year and a half after it happened, and I LOOKED. Talked with the county sherriff about this too. As far as he knows, and he'd thought he'd remember such a "fucking wacky thing", is that I was the only one ever brought in on such a charge ever! It's in the books, I looked, just never enforced in that way.
Of course, in order to contest the charges or even find out which books or which library it was, I'd have had to go to court, which means that I would've been booked, mug shots taken, prints taken, lost a $2k weekend consulting job, and my security clearance pretty much revoked. Oh yeah, and I'd always have an arrest for "theft" on my record for the remainder of my life. Do you know how many agencies don't even ask for convictions anymore, and just ask for arrests? And check?!
In other words, I just had to lump it and shell out the cash if I didn't want to lose my weekend consulting job, my security clearence, and to keep my "criminal record" clean. Yeah, I'm dangerous. All of this is what I was told by the police, and later confirmed by multiple lawyers that are very good at their jobs. (I got a bit irked at my lack of choices at the time.)
All over two library books that I may or may not have returned. It doesn't bother me that they "caught" me, I'd have paid 10x the book's cost happily if I'd have known that they wanted them back!!! Getting arrested was the first I heard about it, and I'm religious about updating ID and crap like that.
Don't even get me started about getting frisked and thrown in a squad car for walking three blocks home from the bar after two beers. (I don't like to drive if I've had any alcohol) Why? Because I'm white, was decently dressed and the cop wasn't white and is known for harassing "smart ass cracker kids" (I was 22 - and live in the midwest) that are out after midnight. All in small town suburbia. Pleasant huh? Locked in a squad car just for walking down the sidewalk with some dickhead cop screaming at me cause I was so nervous because of his behavior that it took me a whole three seconds to find my license. Why he needed a driver's license when I wasn't operating a motor vehicle in the first place... not that I brought that up. I'm not totally stupid.
The whole point is, there are WAY too many laws around that get selectively enforced. And when that happens, there's potential for abuse, period. If the potential is there, it WILL happen eventually. Oversight is a wonderful thing... getting rid of some of the insane details, exceptions, and attempts to placate special interest groups would work wonders imho.
I guess the gist of this whole rant is that when you think about civil liberty laws and groups, don't just blow them off as political bleeding heart garbage, but actually think about what could happen or how you'd feel if it happened to you.
It's a long way from what this case is about, but I just hate the mentality of ends justifying means...
"What I don't understand is, why don't the Liberals actually wait till they have some solid information before they bash away? Time after time they just make themselves look like air-heads on things like this."
Chances are that you didn't actually read any of what was logged. Good for you mate, follow the/. tradition. The only thing that I have a problem with is that he was held for 5 weeks with no charges, and sealed records on the detainment order signed by a judge. Poor sod can't even prepare a defense until the other side has everything nailed down, and potential abuse is so easy there, who the hell knows... I sure as hell don't.
Anyway, from what I'm reading, nobody outside of one or two people like the judge (if he didn't just rubber stamp something) had anything but an allegation at that point, so why hold him, instead of say... you? Nobody would say anything against you?
"Correct. And it's true that no one ever got fired for buying Microsoft."
While an overly generalized statement, I do know plenty of freelance consultants that haven't been retained for quoting MS licensing fees to smaller (ever been fired for buying MS? Doubtful in the extreme...
"CDs can be played in my car (and my girlfriend's), and MP3s quite simply cannot."
Not to nitpick, but CD/MP3 players have been available for cars for years, and at roughly the same price you'd pay for any other replacement CD player. I don't have one myself since I drive a crappy little Escort and it's not really worth doing, but I'm planning on getting an upgrade relatively soon and there is going to be new deck put in it if the "stock" cd player doesn't play MP3's. One disc can hold much more even with descent quality encoding like 256vbr. You can usually find the decks in almost anything like a Best Buy or Wal-Mart even, in my experience.
You've advocated the use of Kazaa in prior posts, and then posted this...
"Economically I don't think it's so different. Ritz Camera has a business plan, and if you somehow make the $10 camera into your own camera, they lose (1) your business, (2) the use of the camera when you return it, so that their business plan is undermined. They do lose business. Not as much, maybe, as the music company, but a simple difference in amount doesn't obviously change things legally. If copying the music 10,000 times is theft on a massive scale, then why isn't taking the camera contrary to Ritz's wishes theft on a minor scale?"
I'm just trying to figure out what your opinion is now. You seem to be playing both ends against the middle, so I guess I'll just abandon this as thread as mostly useless since I'm not sure it'd be any use to continue.
Heh, I've done that myself a few times. No worries.
Yeah, I wouldn't really doubt that MS patches more bugs. One thing about more eyes on a piece of code, it's just that many more people to spot an error before it gets released. Or so I theorize.:)
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"I see that as a good thing. What possible reason is there to have file and printer sharing open to the internet?"
Arg, thinking like this just irritates the hell out of me. Get this through your head please. It's MY computer, I'll do whatever the hell I want with it. If I'm breaking laws or causing a problem for you, THEN you may actually be an interested party. Don't we already have enough damn inane laws/regulation to protect us from ourselves?
Delegating the responsibility for controlling a machine that could pontentially affect others to the owner isn't too much to ask, is it? Hell, we do it everything else!
"Gee, I didn't realize that if my brakes didn't work I could run someone over with my car..."
Yeah, educating the users is a good thing. But they should already have some common sense.
I always tend to shock others when I say that home users should be eligable for criminal (not civil) fines for their (usually intentional) ignorance. I'll gladly pay taxes to hire some actually competant "internet cops" to weed out US problems and act for the US for international problems.
I'm very much into freedom of speech and various civil liberties, but c'mon, let's have some common sense and realize that what we do affects others...
+5 Insightful? The poster and whoever modded 'em obviously knows nothing about what's going on.
The damn cleanup worm's auto-terminate date is Jan 1, 2004.
Lesser of two evils? Do you know how every bit of code executes on any given customized system? If not, you probably shouldn't be illegally penetrating systems to run code on them should you? Idiot. This is all virus writers are doing, just by proxy.
Whoever wrote this supposedly "beneficial" worm should get as much jail time as the orgional virus writer, if not more for being such a arrogant moron.
"Since you're so worried about it, I hope you turned this feature off, then - but perhaps it's just as well, since it probably installed the RPC DCOM fix for you: right?"
Which leads me to wonder, as an earlier post did: why on earth is this system sitting connected to the Internet?
It might've installed the patch, if someone set it up that way. It's probably setup with 'net access for that reason. The clerk who seems to know better sounds like just a clerk though, and is probably (hopefully) locked out of administrative functions.
But then, probably not. Anyone who doesn't know by now not to just automagically update without warning or testing on a system you rely on is just too incompetant to be doing the job.
Okay, I'm hopelessly drunk and you're (supposedly) a coder that should know better.
;)
I mean, just cause a system doesn't have a sysadmin... In the last day I've spent a total of about an hour getting @50+ users booted off (or at least having their internet connections temporarily severed) my home ISP's subnet(s). My fucking logger couldn't properly keep up with all the traffic this was generating!
With all the emulated and specialized systems out there, can you guarantee that any code you write will run properly on all systems?
Of course not. If you believe that, you're hopelessly naive and shouldn't be allowed near a compiler or interpreter.
Believe it or not, I have actually looked into this (and I'm hosed, find sources yourself...), but almost all of the supposedly "beneficial" worms/virii out there have caused more problems or at least as many problems as whatever it was they were trying to do or fix!
Whoever the idiot is that distributes something like a "clean up worm" deserves as much federal "pound me in the ass" prison as any of the other virus writers out there that have gotten such sentances...
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
"Ignorance is no excuse for fucking up and completely hosing some random stranger's system."
That last platitude is mine.
Jeez, troll, hopefully? :P
:P
Granted, Win2k is prolly the best out for windows applications, but c'mon, unpatched/unstripped?
Are you suicidal?!
I've been having problems enough securing my Win2k machine securely, running only required (by me) services, and goddamn fully patched. Even though MS's patches break all my goddamn custom/low level apps.
Five minutes? If you're unware on an unpatched base Win2k install on an older service pack, it takes 5 seconds to hopelessly compromise a default Win2k install if you're unlucky.
So I'm guessing you've got a Red Hat house, right? How many times have you reinstalled Red Hat - even to 'upgrade'? Once? That's too much. There is ONE reason to reboot a machine - to change the kernel. Other than that, there is absolutely no good reason to reboot at all. Worst comes to worst, switch to single-user, then kick back up to multi-user.
Sighs, thanks for the advice. Yeah, I got started on RedHat since a good friend of mine is/was a code contributor. I've tinkered with quite a few different flavors. Then I became a code contributor after learning for a few years. On quite a few different flavors of linux.
You're still missing the point. Intentionally, I'm thinking. If you don't want the latest flavor of a Debian machine, and want specific previous versions for compat or production or testing reasons, you need a list of packages, irregardless of what system type you use. That's why I objected to some of your previous and overblown (in my estimation) statements.
"With Red Hat, you can't - a Red Hat 6.2 distribution has to be 'upgraded' to a 7.0 distribution. This is what makes it easy to upgrade. I never have to worry about Hey, should I upgrade to Debian 3.0? Hell, I didn't even KNOW when Debian 3.0 came out - I just noticed "wow, my login changed. That's neat!"
Oh god, if I ever did that in a business environment I'd be toast...
Yeeeeess, while the package behavior may be as you say, I was speaking more towards versioning control.
"I've never been happier since I converted my lab's PCs to all Debian. Yah, it's small, but I have to handle something like 7-10 PCs, and having them all in almost exactly the same state (which is far harder to do in Red Hat than in Debian) is SO nice."
Oh sure, you can just "apt-get update" to mirror the latest stable (or however), but it you're looking for specific sets of code, in specific versions, then just rattling off a quick command to "just work" and get all the most current stuff isn't exactly an option, no? You still have to put together at least a package list to grab. Can do the same thing with RPMs.
I've done it quite a few times rebuilding a specific machine state when I've been tinkering and not quite understanding what I'm doing with the code I'm massaging. Far harder? *snort* Takes maybe 5 minutes to setup, and isn't tough, even for someone that still has to look up some options on RPM's.
I just think the whole apt/rpm crusade is a bit overstated since they're both so easy to manage. *shrugs* Maybe it was just the bias that rubbed me the wrong way...
Nothing special. Nothing amazing. Just missing the point...
VERY interesting post in the Darwin awards here that involves only a 9v battery.
I've never been happier since I converted my lab's PCs to all Debian. Yah, it's small, but I have to handle something like 7-10 PCs, and having them all in almost exactly the same state (which is far harder to do in Red Hat than in Debian) is SO nice.
Now don't get me wrong, I am far from a linux guru...
But couldn't this be simply solved by having a local source or package repository? If you've got a cluster of systems you need to keep versioned, I'd think that this is pretty damned straightforward. You can even use a simple shell or perl script to whip up a package/version manifest in case you need to regenerate your repository. Tough...
Why would RedHat be so much harder to do this for than Debian? I know how installing RPMs work, it's fairly trivial with well behaved RPMs. If you need to tweak a bit, write an install scriptlet that makes sure it does whatever in the right order. Sure, it's one more step than "apt get whatever", but really a very simple one.
Being manufactured they are rather cheap. The jewel grade stones will be sold at about half fo what debeers is selling thier diamonds for.
:)
Did it actually give a percentage like that?
Considering that they stated that a 1 carat stone cost them $5 to make... (not from scratch, but ya know, not counting equipment)
Oh, hell, never mind. Not like I'm complaining(lol), and I'm sure they've incurred major costs just in the security area alone. I'm just glad they're developing this type of thing with an eye towards the technology market.
That chemical vapor deposition method sounds rather interesting, as I'm not sure if there would be anything really limiting growth using this. The more surface area you have, the more accumulates, the more usuable material you get. But then, I know pretty much next to nothing about the details of the process or if that would be possible.
Wouldn't it be interesting though if you could produce diamonds the size of bricks with enough facilities and once your seeds get grown large enough though? *laughs* You'd still have your time and accumulation wait, but something like that would just be insane.
Ah well, enough pure speculation. Maybe we'll just have to find something with some real meaning behind it to give to our collective future wives instead of an expensive piece of carbon.
Ssh! Don't tell them they're being so badly exploited by being "forced" to create OSS!
:)
They might not even care!
PS: If your sarcasm software is on the fritz, please gain a clue by application of an appropriately wielded 2x4 or whatever.
If someone goes through all the bother of putting together (ie:programming) a fairly complete software package and then decides to GPL it or make it OSS, it'd be fairly dense to think they'd be silly enough to miss one of the most obvious points of OSS or the GPL and the purpose behind it, no?
Strangely enough, the only people getting worked up by the cries of "Oppressor!" were the ones doing the shouting... even among the amused "victims".
If there are no brain cells yet left to fry, doth the owner not fall quiet?
obviously not
Yeah, I agree with all the metaphor quibbling. Tends to be pretty pointless anyway, but you made a few comments that bug me. ;)
:( Big pain in the ass, anyway.)
:P
>>You see, almost every day I get kiddie porn >>spam. Young russian girls, y.o.u.n.g BOYZ!, >>girls and horses, all kinds of crap.
>For some reason I think you are confusing child >pornography with the *HOT HOT TEENS TEENS* mails >that everyone receives every once in a while. If >I'd receive spam for child pornography I'd make >damn sure that that account is killed off, and >my mailclient is squeeky clean of "backup" files.
Why? Are you insane? You're going to nuke email accounts that can be more of a pain in the ass and have more trouble with changing than getting a Drivers License renewed? Lose $$$ and hours upon hours of your life dicking that? Some people actually use email quite a bit in their real world jobs/business/hobbies/etc and this is just not an option to totally abandon an account just because some whack job sent you a nasty email.
>>could something like this be used as a form of >>entrapment?
>Entrapment from who? The government? The law? If >someone plans on sending you child pornography >as an elaborate skeem to get you in jail, then >you have made an enemy of someone in ways that >I'd never like to make enemies.
Well, obviously that would be entrapment, as you can't control who send you email from the public internet. Forged headers, spam, etc. You know the drill.
But it could happen that you've got some in your recycle bin or accidentally (or trojan'd) downloaded/deleted and recoverable if your computer ever gets investigated for any reason. Then what?
You're screwed, and that's why I've shelled out hard earned cash for secure/proven deletion/overwriting tools that meet or exceed DoD specs. (And, yes, they work - it at least does what it claims, although I haven't taken a wiped drive to a forensics expert to work over. But data I don't want around has been written over X amount of times. Along with my temp files, cache, etc.
Why do I take such precautions? Gee, I must have done something wrong... Or not, and I'm a fairly ordinary guy with a somewhat naturally paranoid streak that's been exacerbated by other events in his life. A few people that I know of don't like me, and have tried stunts like calling in anonymous tips on me for doing the craziest stuff. But I usually get checked up on most times, even though the cops around here know me well enough by now that they're more curious about who I pissed off. Unfortunately, they losers are as careful as I am, even though I don't play dirty pool.
The same can happen to anyone else, if you irritate the wrong person... or even just get bored or lonely/horny one night and surf for some legal porn - and the wrong popup appears.
PS: Forgive the old style quoting that doesn't work. Post is too long, and I don't really care that it doesn't work. It gets the point across.
What bothers me is that even with computers arguably being so damn easy to use and learn, is that nobody has the slightest inclination to even want to try to understand what's going on when you do something on one. Even if it makes their job easier, or just by retaining the information that others try and impart during training or everyday use.
:(
When I'm helping someone I usually try to impart just a little bit of the underlying theory (ie:what's going on) behind the software and %95 of the time I get blank looks and responses like, "Oh, I'm just not a computer person" (which means they don't even try.), even when I speak without using any acronyms, technical terms, or overly qualifying everything - which I've found just usually confuses people even more. (Sure, you can do just about anything with software (eventually) on descent hardware, the only problem is the time and investment required)
The scary part is, for the %5 of those that actually give a crap and listen or want to learn something, they usually tell me that I've got an amazing knack for explaining technical matters and that they've never understood even when they've had it gone over a few times before.
It's like computers are almost taking on religious overtones - people just take it on faith that they are crashy/insecure (MS), are hard to use (unix/linux/anything text mode), and so they don't even try.
why?
I'm surprising the hell out of myself by saying this, but civil "damages" have to be awarded by a court and a judge, have to be pressed, expert witnesses paid for, and take forever.
:P) You'll get evidence on the people hackers and script kiddies route through if you get the actual "bad guy" anyway. Ticket the people that get routed through enough, and you'll find less and less of them, making it subjectively easier (in some cases), to track the end (ab)user. Granted, this would only work fairly well if the connections stayed in the same legal system, cause things would pretty much dead end once you hit an international boundary. SSH, telnet, or an open proxy anyone?
I'd be okay with seeing well trained "laptop cops" tracing some of the lame ass script kiddies around and slapping them with criminal fines. And if the person they routed through hasn't used "windows update" since they got the system in 1998, slap them with a smaller, reasonable fine too. If you actually own a computer, chance are you can cough up $50-$100 (or whatever) for a fine eventually, and you'll be damn sure to read up on how to take a few simple steps to make sure it doesn't happen again. (Think basic maintenance for a car, which can cause accidents and financial damage.
*sighs*
One can dream at any rate...
Oh hell, like it matters.
The whole point of communicating is getting the idea across. Now, don't get me wrong, spelling and grammer matter. I just don't think they matter enough to argue over.
It's a proven fact that languages constantly evolve, at least if it's getting any "better" or "worse". After all, evolution is just change, even if it's a matter of languages.
The only place I could ever seeing it matter is when you're naming variables, as seems to be what sparked this whole thing. Who really cares? As long as it's consistant, I sure don't.
And yeah, I've coded using both ways of spelling, with "colour" or "flavour" and with "color" or "flavor". One extra little automated step to "s/{@|%}*color/{@|%}@*colour" or just type it differently or whatever makes almost no difference in the whole scheme of things.
Whatever gets the job done...
Hrm, this is my second "good job" posting in as many days. Some people on here actually do think(I was beginning to wonder). I'm not usually this effusive, but I don't think I've ever seen what I would just blow off and ignore as a regular /. troll responded to better, especially in this context. :)
Woo hoo and cheers! I'd just like to second your opinion, and let you know I'd mod you up if I had mod points. :)
We(the US) aren't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, and the quest for improvement should continue endlessly, but we seem to be doing alright comparitively so far.
Not to mention that laws that are only selectively enforced just plain need to be taken off the books. Granted, situation matters and some discretion is required, but that's what I thought judges were for.
Being arrested and held when there aren't specific records of the crime or there isn't personal knowledge of the illegal activity specified shouldn't happen. But it does.
Happened to me in fact. A minor, piddling thing comparatively, but being forced to shell out $350 right then, in cash (as in paper money) or sitting in jail for three days and losing thousands of dollars in business and having an arrest record no matter the trial outcome sucks. I'm just glad I went to an ATM prior to getting arrested. *shrugs*
Oh sure. The ends justify the means. Hell, get a grip will you? Do YOU want to be arrested and held without communications or being charged while being interrogated for weeks on end? I'm not sure what else to call 5 weeks of that...
Asinine bullshit like that happens, and nobody believes it until it happens to you. Hell, I've gotten arrested for theft of fucking library books. Handcuffed, patted down, and put in a squad car, I would've gotten held in a county jail for a three day weekend if I didn't have the $350 in my wallet to pay the ticket then and there. No checks allowed, no credit cards allowed. Cash only. Over two books, a $15 max value (only ones *I* recall even getting) that I apparently lost when my fiancee and I split up. My bad, I'll admit they may have gotten misplaced. I still don't know what books they were or have any "proof" that I didn't return the books, a year and a half after it happened, and I LOOKED. Talked with the county sherriff about this too. As far as he knows, and he'd thought he'd remember such a "fucking wacky thing", is that I was the only one ever brought in on such a charge ever! It's in the books, I looked, just never enforced in that way.
Of course, in order to contest the charges or even find out which books or which library it was, I'd have had to go to court, which means that I would've been booked, mug shots taken, prints taken, lost a $2k weekend consulting job, and my security clearance pretty much revoked. Oh yeah, and I'd always have an arrest for "theft" on my record for the remainder of my life. Do you know how many agencies don't even ask for convictions anymore, and just ask for arrests? And check?!
In other words, I just had to lump it and shell out the cash if I didn't want to lose my weekend consulting job, my security clearence, and to keep my "criminal record" clean. Yeah, I'm dangerous. All of this is what I was told by the police, and later confirmed by multiple lawyers that are very good at their jobs. (I got a bit irked at my lack of choices at the time.)
All over two library books that I may or may not have returned. It doesn't bother me that they "caught" me, I'd have paid 10x the book's cost happily if I'd have known that they wanted them back!!! Getting arrested was the first I heard about it, and I'm religious about updating ID and crap like that.
Don't even get me started about getting frisked and thrown in a squad car for walking three blocks home from the bar after two beers. (I don't like to drive if I've had any alcohol) Why? Because I'm white, was decently dressed and the cop wasn't white and is known for harassing "smart ass cracker kids" (I was 22 - and live in the midwest) that are out after midnight. All in small town suburbia. Pleasant huh? Locked in a squad car just for walking down the sidewalk with some dickhead cop screaming at me cause I was so nervous because of his behavior that it took me a whole three seconds to find my license. Why he needed a driver's license when I wasn't operating a motor vehicle in the first place... not that I brought that up. I'm not totally stupid.
The whole point is, there are WAY too many laws around that get selectively enforced. And when that happens, there's potential for abuse, period. If the potential is there, it WILL happen eventually. Oversight is a wonderful thing... getting rid of some of the insane details, exceptions, and attempts to placate special interest groups would work wonders imho.
I guess the gist of this whole rant is that when you think about civil liberty laws and groups, don't just blow them off as political bleeding heart garbage, but actually think about what could happen or how you'd feel if it happened to you.
It's a long way from what this case is about, but I just hate the mentality of ends justifying means...
"What I don't understand is, why don't the Liberals actually wait till they have some solid information before they bash away? Time after time they just make themselves look like air-heads on things like this."
/. tradition. The only thing that I have a problem with is that he was held for 5 weeks with no charges, and sealed records on the detainment order signed by a judge. Poor sod can't even prepare a defense until the other side has everything nailed down, and potential abuse is so easy there, who the hell knows... I sure as hell don't.
Chances are that you didn't actually read any of what was logged. Good for you mate, follow the
Anyway, from what I'm reading, nobody outside of one or two people like the judge (if he didn't just rubber stamp something) had anything but an allegation at that point, so why hold him, instead of say... you? Nobody would say anything against you?
Must be nice...
"Correct. And it's true that no one ever got fired for buying Microsoft."
While an overly generalized statement, I do know plenty of freelance consultants that haven't been retained for quoting MS licensing fees to smaller (ever been fired for buying MS? Doubtful in the extreme...
"CDs can be played in my car (and my girlfriend's), and MP3s quite simply cannot."
Not to nitpick, but CD/MP3 players have been available for cars for years, and at roughly the same price you'd pay for any other replacement CD player. I don't have one myself since I drive a crappy little Escort and it's not really worth doing, but I'm planning on getting an upgrade relatively soon and there is going to be new deck put in it if the "stock" cd player doesn't play MP3's. One disc can hold much more even with descent quality encoding like 256vbr. You can usually find the decks in almost anything like a Best Buy or Wal-Mart even, in my experience.
*shrugs*
You've advocated the use of Kazaa in prior posts, and then posted this...
"Economically I don't think it's so different. Ritz Camera has a business plan, and if you somehow make the $10 camera into your own camera, they lose (1) your business, (2) the use of the camera when you return it, so that their business plan is undermined. They do lose business. Not as much, maybe, as the music company, but a simple difference in amount doesn't obviously change things legally. If copying the music 10,000 times is theft on a massive scale, then why isn't taking the camera contrary to Ritz's wishes theft on a minor scale?"
I'm just trying to figure out what your opinion is now. You seem to be playing both ends against the middle, so I guess I'll just abandon this as thread as mostly useless since I'm not sure it'd be any use to continue.
Heh, I've done that myself a few times. No worries.
:)
Yeah, I wouldn't really doubt that MS patches more bugs. One thing about more eyes on a piece of code, it's just that many more people to spot an error before it gets released. Or so I theorize.