Developers, real estate, Ceos fresh out of college, ideas on napkins worth billions, etc.
The whole valley is an overpriced scam bubble flooded with money from the top 2% while the rest have seen falling wages and not just this women. She is a symptom of an out of balance equation
So appearently I was half wrong. You have EFI partitions on your WIndows 7 unit to have more than 2 TB. On my Bios based AMD which preceding my 8.1 system I could not do more than 2 TB as MBR limits the disk
I worked for a client who made everyone a local admin because they switched to laptops and didn't want to get inundated iwth calls with setting up printers at home or hotels... oh and they get rid of half their local IT staff at the same time.
Oh soo much fine with Angry pigs trojans showing up and all day was a job with putting out fires. Grrr
Just don't take the "bait" and don't "upgrade" to free Windows 10. At least for desktop users there is no advantage over Windows 7 pro or ultimate. To me, Windows 10 seems like a downgrade from 7 ultimate.
FOr the record I had to update to WIndows 8.1 due to needing Hyper-V for some MCSE exams yada yada laugh all you want. I had to say goodbye to WIndows 7 which was my favorite OS from MS:-(
WIth that said WIndows 10 and even 8.1 offer: 1. Much faster boot startup 2. WIth CSM bios disabled and all EFI the system loads in seconds from an SSD 3. Data and image redundancy with EFI GPT partitions (recovery partition allows you to restore image without app re-install) 4. Disk partitions more than 2 TB again EFI GPT over MBR partitions 5. Dism command for the local IT shop to fix corruption without a re-image. I fixed with dism/online/cleanup-image/restorehealth where under WIndows 7 it would be a re-image. Again thanks to UEFI which is so hated for some reason here 6. Secure boot. Yes outside of slashdot it is a feature and I do not have to worry about rootkits. FreeBSD and Ubuntu support secureboot keys. Add your own even 7.No nasty bios. You really need to disable CSM to get the benefits of the really fast bootup and less problems. Bios is from 1981 and has many limitations 8. Supperior battery life. As in a big boost as 8.0 and later use a tickless kernel and other power optimization options have been added 9. NFC printing 10. Desktop cloud synchronization. IE favorities, desktop settings, store apps, and even the add-ons like Adblockplus. 11. Tablet and mobile app support. The surface is starting to sell and it is nice to walk around my site to do network testing with a usb to ethernet adapter. WIndows 7 with no touch would be a pain 12. Future IOS and Android compatibility. 80% of phone apps code do not have to be rewriten with MS porting tools for universal apps which will support objective-C and Davilek. VS 2015 even installs Chrome and Clang:-) 13. DirectX 12
I bought stardocks start8 and classic shell and put on aero8 and my system looks fine now.
I bought a surface for work and all my apps like netflix, kindle ebook, wallpaper, and my Onedrive files were all synced together. Grandma who has to have her grandkids wallpaper would like to have all of this on another system.
The only 2 things I give Windows 7 credit for today in 2015 is it is rock stable and has a more consistent prettier UI. On my VM lab I can tell the difference night and day between Windows 7/2008 R2 and 8.1/2012 R2 images. They boot 1/4th the time and are light. If you own a laptop you are doing a diservice to stick with WIndows 7.
Seriously. It's mind boggling how out of touch the tech industry has become.
Easy for you to say. You do not have to stay liable for breaks and security fixes yet have an exponential increase in complexity mathematically related to number of update combinations which grows as your OS ages.
You are supposed to stay updated. The fact is MS let some bad updates in and we see an even more mind boggling "Yeah we froze time on March 11 2010 with updates because as Exchange doesn't work after this time in history! Your job is to put out viruses and fires all day as a result and get write ups if is not secure etc."
I lucked out and never had a problem with an update. These are rare but do occasionally occur. Updates should be considered a normal and necessary process and if done right with QA SHOULDN'T be an issue.
FYI Enterprise has 2 - 3 year life cycles and professional it is 8 months of deferred updates.... with that said it is more mind boggling if you run WIndows to NEVER update?! I had a coworker who said that with pride that all updates do is break things... yada yada. Well he was 0wned and his bank account got compromised.
The CFO decides what is a priority for IT like most non tech companies. She doesn't want to spend $400 on buying a new version of Premier and HR has more important things to anyway than to redo it and will raise a stink to high heaven to the CFO why it's a bad idea. No IT will tell them what to do. We all should be thankful we have a job etc.
We use IE 8 and keep IE 6 in Citrix.
Wait you don't use flash or old java at work? Wow, no cisco or vsphere at all.:-) They all rely on security exploits like self signed certificates to work so you need old to get job done. Welcome to life
Remember the goal of business is to raise the share price. Best way is to raise revenue and cutting expenses. Hiring more sales guys and commercials will win everytime
Well maybe your job should look into hiring someone to remake the old code into newer one. Saying it's "impossible to ever replace" is the problem, stop thinking that way and start thinking "what can be done to replace this dinosaur"
You're going to pay to hire a PM and replace an app which still works just fine that is the life and blood of the company with an untested one where users have to be retrained and may not work as good.... and why?? Oh because some geek thinks IE 6 and flash are uncool? HA
I am in Houston and the energy crash created many unemployed IT guys who would be thrilled to have my job if I can't handle legacy and work with the cost accountants.
Look just put a heavily DMZ vlan in a vm container with no Web Access in a citrix box and call it a day?
So many processes have dependancies that are so ingrained in corporate apps it will be impossible to get rid of. We still use IE 6 at work and even xp eol couldn't kill it due to 2 must have apps which are impossible to ever replace. Our training only works with ancient insecure flash 11 at work due to a 10 year old version of premier which created our slides. Lock the browser out of flash and we will stick with obsolete version
SSH too will be SWEET and a must have too in any enterprise environment with security needs. To have powershell, remote desktop, and perhaps even AD SMB communication encrypted will prevent devices any hacker can plug into an electrical socket and 0wn the network or put in ransom where at the AD schema level.
Server 2012 is a hefty upgrade too with schema deletion restoration, WinRM, compression of AD/SMB traffic for slow WAn links, Powershell Desired state configuration templates SSD tier to raids for caching, no gui installs, make that one a much bigger upgrade from 2008 than 2008 was to 2003.
2016 with more containers with docks and encryption might just get those on 2008 R2 forests the reasons for upgrading
Since I am grandfathered in with the insider program I can download. I am doing this now so I have a free VM image for my labs as MS made it clear it is a free upgrade for registered as well as beta fresh installs as a thank you for the insider program.
I can't wait until it updates to RTM and I can finally get RSAT tools to make it useful as a virtual joined computer. In the meantime I am stuck with time bombed versions of 8.1 for the labs. 10 being light and EFI means very light resources and fast boot times:-)
Uh yes we people did not get in before the fed jerked up the prices thanks to government debt.
There is no where you can afford an hour in every direction in New York, Seattle, LA, DC, etc unless you already got in years ago at the right time or you make $70,000 a year or more. That is not the median income by far yet that is supposed to be the median price for a home. That doesn't add up.
That is a bad thing as it means a coming crash for you home owners as that is unsustainable.
That is not good at all as $400,000 for a starter home is great if you are a typical Linux programmer like many on here are who make $100,000 a year fresh out of college but many if not most are not. A lowly admin and senior desktop guy would need a room mate where 10 years ago could get a full 2 bedroom place by myself??
Also have we not learned in 2008 that too much of a good thing thanks to cheap free money by the FED pumping low interest rates due to housing? What comes up must come down since speculation not consumption are spiking demand. Eventually they will crash when interest rates have to rise making the mortgage rates much much higher and having the speculators then dumping them all at the same time.
In Houston we already surprised 2008 all over again and people are afraid to buy including me as I know it will crash again in a year or two. In the meantime my rent has gone up 3x the time of inflation!
Alright I am going to tax your business and the lemonade stand TO DEATH!
I am going to deflate your currency by printing money in the form of QE to pay the bills since I spend more than I make. This inflates the stock market but hurts the value of your savings as your rent, health insurance, and gas soars in prices as a result.
Why even bother running your business. You see your neighbor with a shiny new car. But as a business owner there are some days a customer doesn[t pay and you can't make a car payment as a result so you keep your 7 year old beater etc. At one point do you even bother to come in to work? At what point will you just be an employee again for saner hours or just not work and live off others like your neighbor? Who cares if your business makes $500,000 in revenue when the government takes half, forces you to insure your employees, then takes half of what you take home? Enough is enough!
Yeah the changes we see are people are forced to work 3 part time jobs and still be broke because computer programs and robots replaced the jobs yet they are still expected to pay their bills.
When excess people are created per job due to automation and efficiency and Wall Street demands of cheap the value of the labor goes down as some schmuck who has been out of work for 12 months will gladly do yours for $40,000 a year with no benefits for 65 hours a week. The bean counters then will look at YOU and say why should I pay more than $40,000? This guy is willing to do it? So 2 guys who made $70,000 can be replaced by one guy willing to do it for $40,000 = $100,000 savings!!
Hence another reason why H1B1's are popular. The hours they are willing to work is more free labor compared to 2 Americans.
When everyone does this (starting outside the world of programmers (since this makes up so much of Slashdot)) your wages go down. Add insult to injury rents, health insurance, food, and gas are not even counted in the inflation index!!
So no I think this is a bad thing as those out of placed workers who once made $50,000 pre 2009 are now making $23,000 a year at the gas station and stocking shelves at Walmart is terrible.
Other way around. Poverty goes up when scarcity to survive comes into play. This means the sacrifice to pay rent and food is so high that there is not any money left for anything else.
When scarcity is no longer an issue poverty goes away as the average has more resources.
In the US poverty is increasing while the wealth is increasing to the top 5%. Some argue socialism is needed, but in reality this is because of illegal immigration and a baby explosion with the millenials are jerking up the rents and lowering wages at the same time. 3 billion people were in this world 20 years ago. It is 6 billion today so wages go down, resources go down, wages go down, yet prices go up. That is my proof.
So scarcity is based on supply that is people and what is available relative to demand
I used to be left wing and a socialist in my youth thanks to Star Trek TNG. No poverty, happiness, people doing what they want because they want too, no pressure on bills, technology to give you everything you want etc.
Then I grow up and took economics in college and tried living out in the real world and putting up with things.
Here is why it can never happen: 1. We are in a service economy today. While the Chinese are actually working making things, we count on plumbers, starbucks baristas, help desk weenies, airline baggage handlers, military personnel, construction workers, and so on. How many would work for free because they want too? Seriously? Most humans would sit on their butts and watch TV all day. Those who would want to work to get out of the house won't work as long as if they had a boss and deadlines and bills to pay. Which brings me to point number 2... 2. How do we divide scarce resources when no money is involved? Yes with services we have scarce resources again replicators or not. In a free market if there are no large hoard of people desperate for any job and a skill or sucky work is required the price will go up. Someone needs to go out in 110 degree temperates in Phoenix to make that apartment ready for the rest of us to live in. If they worked based on the goodness of their hearts WE WOULD HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE. Basically if people did what they wanted and make paintings all day and tried to do IT work then no one would do the crappy work that no one wants. In a free market people work for money and the money will work itself out and have people work for what is best for society... not what is best for themselves. 3. It takes a lot of work to become a doctor, lawyer, cisco architect, and so on. Seriously it takes years of tests, certifications, work experience, and blood, sweat and tears. 4. People with free food would become rabbits and reproduce and take over the whole world lowering the amount of opportunities for everyone else. 5. What would society be like if we did this? People would have less services, homes, electronics, etc. Reality it would be like the Soviet Union. Even if you remove fascist elements you would have 10 year waits for cars, starvation (or maybe not with replicators), no where to go, high unemployment and so on.
Ask any eastern European on here or Russian what they think about this? They will be flabbergasted and say you have no idea what you are preaching? I remember life in the Soviet Union... etc.
So it is sad but a cold hearted reality that our childhoods are over. We need to all work our butts off and be punished for not being the best or persuing the most economically sound path which society is willing to pay more for.
Unless someone can come up with some better ideas? My idea if I were king based on the free market would be to give condoms to poor countries and with less oversupply of workers consuming resources live will be better for everyone:-) The only way Europe left the dark middle ages was the bubonic plague. As horrible as this was with 1/3 of the population gone the middle class and freedom started where people didn't have to be a surf anymore and Paris and London had jobs again that paid something.
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Your solution would just create a branch office in Bangalore and can all of IT in western countries
Developers, real estate, Ceos fresh out of college, ideas on napkins worth billions, etc.
The whole valley is an overpriced scam bubble flooded with money from the top 2% while the rest have seen falling wages and not just this women. She is a symptom of an out of balance equation
Not really. I still have a can of lysol used to disinfect floppy drives back in the 1980s
It was fast as hell!
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Reference is right here.
So appearently I was half wrong. You have EFI partitions on your WIndows 7 unit to have more than 2 TB. On my Bios based AMD which preceding my 8.1 system I could not do more than 2 TB as MBR limits the disk
I worked for a client who made everyone a local admin because they switched to laptops and didn't want to get inundated iwth calls with setting up printers at home or hotels ... oh and they get rid of half their local IT staff at the same time.
Oh soo much fine with Angry pigs trojans showing up and all day was a job with putting out fires. Grrr
Just don't take the "bait" and don't "upgrade" to free Windows 10. At least for desktop users there is no advantage over Windows 7 pro or ultimate. To me, Windows 10 seems like a downgrade from 7 ultimate.
FOr the record I had to update to WIndows 8.1 due to needing Hyper-V for some MCSE exams yada yada laugh all you want. I had to say goodbye to WIndows 7 which was my favorite OS from MS :-(
WIth that said WIndows 10 and even 8.1 offer: /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth where under WIndows 7 it would be a re-image. Again thanks to UEFI which is so hated for some reason here :-)
1. Much faster boot startup
2. WIth CSM bios disabled and all EFI the system loads in seconds from an SSD
3. Data and image redundancy with EFI GPT partitions (recovery partition allows you to restore image without app re-install)
4. Disk partitions more than 2 TB again EFI GPT over MBR partitions
5. Dism command for the local IT shop to fix corruption without a re-image. I fixed with dism
6. Secure boot. Yes outside of slashdot it is a feature and I do not have to worry about rootkits. FreeBSD and Ubuntu support secureboot keys. Add your own even
7.No nasty bios. You really need to disable CSM to get the benefits of the really fast bootup and less problems. Bios is from 1981 and has many limitations
8. Supperior battery life. As in a big boost as 8.0 and later use a tickless kernel and other power optimization options have been added
9. NFC printing
10. Desktop cloud synchronization. IE favorities, desktop settings, store apps, and even the add-ons like Adblockplus.
11. Tablet and mobile app support. The surface is starting to sell and it is nice to walk around my site to do network testing with a usb to ethernet adapter. WIndows 7 with no touch would be a pain
12. Future IOS and Android compatibility. 80% of phone apps code do not have to be rewriten with MS porting tools for universal apps which will support objective-C and Davilek. VS 2015 even installs Chrome and Clang
13. DirectX 12
I bought stardocks start8 and classic shell and put on aero8 and my system looks fine now.
I bought a surface for work and all my apps like netflix, kindle ebook, wallpaper, and my Onedrive files were all synced together. Grandma who has to have her grandkids wallpaper would like to have all of this on another system.
The only 2 things I give Windows 7 credit for today in 2015 is it is rock stable and has a more consistent prettier UI. On my VM lab I can tell the difference night and day between Windows 7/2008 R2 and 8.1/2012 R2 images. They boot 1/4th the time and are light. If you own a laptop you are doing a diservice to stick with WIndows 7.
Seriously. It's mind boggling how out of touch the tech industry has become.
Easy for you to say. You do not have to stay liable for breaks and security fixes yet have an exponential increase in complexity mathematically related to number of update combinations which grows as your OS ages.
You are supposed to stay updated. The fact is MS let some bad updates in and we see an even more mind boggling "Yeah we froze time on March 11 2010 with updates because as Exchange doesn't work after this time in history! Your job is to put out viruses and fires all day as a result and get write ups if is not secure etc."
I lucked out and never had a problem with an update. These are rare but do occasionally occur. Updates should be considered a normal and necessary process and if done right with QA SHOULDN'T be an issue.
FYI Enterprise has 2 - 3 year life cycles and professional it is 8 months of deferred updates. ... with that said it is more mind boggling if you run WIndows to NEVER update?! I had a coworker who said that with pride that all updates do is break things ... yada yada. Well he was 0wned and his bank account got compromised.
Yep I can do a .msi, push gpos, use .pac files, etc.
And for several years it is just as secure as chrome and is w3c compliant and can render pages properly
The CFO decides what is a priority for IT like most non tech companies. She doesn't want to spend $400 on buying a new version of Premier and HR has more important things to anyway than to redo it and will raise a stink to high heaven to the CFO why it's a bad idea. No IT will tell them what to do. We all should be thankful we have a job etc.
We use IE 8 and keep IE 6 in Citrix.
Wait you don't use flash or old java at work? Wow, no cisco or vsphere at all. :-) They all rely on security exploits like self signed certificates to work so you need old to get job done. Welcome to life
Remember the goal of business is to raise the share price. Best way is to raise revenue and cutting expenses. Hiring more sales guys and commercials will win everytime
Well maybe your job should look into hiring someone to remake the old code into newer one. Saying it's "impossible to ever replace" is the problem, stop thinking that way and start thinking "what can be done to replace this dinosaur"
You're going to pay to hire a PM and replace an app which still works just fine that is the life and blood of the company with an untested one where users have to be retrained and may not work as good .... and why?? Oh because some geek thinks IE 6 and flash are uncool? HA
I am in Houston and the energy crash created many unemployed IT guys who would be thrilled to have my job if I can't handle legacy and work with the cost accountants.
Look just put a heavily DMZ vlan in a vm container with no Web Access in a citrix box and call it a day?
Many slashdotters who never worked in non IT or .com companies are flabbergasted at posts like mine :-)
For the rest of us it's business as usual in a focus on sales and cutting IT costs by not changing what has always worked
So many processes have dependancies that are so ingrained in corporate apps it will be impossible to get rid of. We still use IE 6 at work and even xp eol couldn't kill it due to 2 must have apps which are impossible to ever replace. Our training only works with ancient insecure flash 11 at work due to a 10 year old version of premier which created our slides. Lock the browser out of flash and we will stick with obsolete version
SSH too will be SWEET and a must have too in any enterprise environment with security needs. To have powershell, remote desktop, and perhaps even AD SMB communication encrypted will prevent devices any hacker can plug into an electrical socket and 0wn the network or put in ransom where at the AD schema level.
Server 2012 is a hefty upgrade too with schema deletion restoration, WinRM, compression of AD/SMB traffic for slow WAn links, Powershell Desired state configuration templates SSD tier to raids for caching, no gui installs, make that one a much bigger upgrade from 2008 than 2008 was to 2003.
2016 with more containers with docks and encryption might just get those on 2008 R2 forests the reasons for upgrading
My hunch is MS does not want piracy.
Since I am grandfathered in with the insider program I can download. I am doing this now so I have a free VM image for my labs as MS made it clear it is a free upgrade for registered as well as beta fresh installs as a thank you for the insider program.
I can't wait until it updates to RTM and I can finally get RSAT tools to make it useful as a virtual joined computer. In the meantime I am stuck with time bombed versions of 8.1 for the labs. 10 being light and EFI means very light resources and fast boot times :-)
Uh yes we people did not get in before the fed jerked up the prices thanks to government debt.
There is no where you can afford an hour in every direction in New York, Seattle, LA, DC, etc unless you already got in years ago at the right time or you make $70,000 a year or more. That is not the median income by far yet that is supposed to be the median price for a home. That doesn't add up.
That is a bad thing as it means a coming crash for you home owners as that is unsustainable.
Wait ... it was .coms expanding right?
I thought you meant Indians in King Country
If you think that there is always the drudge report which have nice far right wing news.
Slashdot is news for nerds. Not news for republicans where other sites cater to these needs
What about those who want to buy a home or rent?
That is not good at all as $400,000 for a starter home is great if you are a typical Linux programmer like many on here are who make $100,000 a year fresh out of college but many if not most are not. A lowly admin and senior desktop guy would need a room mate where 10 years ago could get a full 2 bedroom place by myself??
Also have we not learned in 2008 that too much of a good thing thanks to cheap free money by the FED pumping low interest rates due to housing? What comes up must come down since speculation not consumption are spiking demand. Eventually they will crash when interest rates have to rise making the mortgage rates much much higher and having the speculators then dumping them all at the same time.
In Houston we already surprised 2008 all over again and people are afraid to buy including me as I know it will crash again in a year or two. In the meantime my rent has gone up 3x the time of inflation!
Alright I am going to tax your business and the lemonade stand TO DEATH!
I am going to deflate your currency by printing money in the form of QE to pay the bills since I spend more than I make. This inflates the stock market but hurts the value of your savings as your rent, health insurance, and gas soars in prices as a result.
Why even bother running your business. You see your neighbor with a shiny new car. But as a business owner there are some days a customer doesn[t pay and you can't make a car payment as a result so you keep your 7 year old beater etc. At one point do you even bother to come in to work? At what point will you just be an employee again for saner hours or just not work and live off others like your neighbor? Who cares if your business makes $500,000 in revenue when the government takes half, forces you to insure your employees, then takes half of what you take home? Enough is enough!
Yeah the changes we see are people are forced to work 3 part time jobs and still be broke because computer programs and robots replaced the jobs yet they are still expected to pay their bills.
When excess people are created per job due to automation and efficiency and Wall Street demands of cheap the value of the labor goes down as some schmuck who has been out of work for 12 months will gladly do yours for $40,000 a year with no benefits for 65 hours a week. The bean counters then will look at YOU and say why should I pay more than $40,000? This guy is willing to do it? So 2 guys who made $70,000 can be replaced by one guy willing to do it for $40,000 = $100,000 savings!!
Hence another reason why H1B1's are popular. The hours they are willing to work is more free labor compared to 2 Americans.
When everyone does this (starting outside the world of programmers (since this makes up so much of Slashdot)) your wages go down. Add insult to injury rents, health insurance, food, and gas are not even counted in the inflation index!!
So no I think this is a bad thing as those out of placed workers who once made $50,000 pre 2009 are now making $23,000 a year at the gas station and stocking shelves at Walmart is terrible.
Other way around. Poverty goes up when scarcity to survive comes into play. This means the sacrifice to pay rent and food is so high that there is not any money left for anything else.
When scarcity is no longer an issue poverty goes away as the average has more resources.
In the US poverty is increasing while the wealth is increasing to the top 5%. Some argue socialism is needed, but in reality this is because of illegal immigration and a baby explosion with the millenials are jerking up the rents and lowering wages at the same time. 3 billion people were in this world 20 years ago. It is 6 billion today so wages go down, resources go down, wages go down, yet prices go up. That is my proof.
So scarcity is based on supply that is people and what is available relative to demand
The reason for this is an economic burden to have more. Remove burden and people won't bother getting fixed
99.99% of all beneits trickle to the top, and it will continue until the consumers can't consume anymore.
The leeches will continue to leech until there is no one to leech on left, and then they too will starve to death.
And in communism it is the other way around ... oh wait.
I used to be left wing and a socialist in my youth thanks to Star Trek TNG. No poverty, happiness, people doing what they want because they want too, no pressure on bills, technology to give you everything you want etc.
Then I grow up and took economics in college and tried living out in the real world and putting up with things.
Here is why it can never happen: ... ... not what is best for themselves.
1. We are in a service economy today. While the Chinese are actually working making things, we count on plumbers, starbucks baristas, help desk weenies, airline baggage handlers, military personnel, construction workers, and so on. How many would work for free because they want too? Seriously? Most humans would sit on their butts and watch TV all day. Those who would want to work to get out of the house won't work as long as if they had a boss and deadlines and bills to pay. Which brings me to point number 2
2. How do we divide scarce resources when no money is involved? Yes with services we have scarce resources again replicators or not. In a free market if there are no large hoard of people desperate for any job and a skill or sucky work is required the price will go up. Someone needs to go out in 110 degree temperates in Phoenix to make that apartment ready for the rest of us to live in. If they worked based on the goodness of their hearts WE WOULD HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE. Basically if people did what they wanted and make paintings all day and tried to do IT work then no one would do the crappy work that no one wants. In a free market people work for money and the money will work itself out and have people work for what is best for society
3. It takes a lot of work to become a doctor, lawyer, cisco architect, and so on. Seriously it takes years of tests, certifications, work experience, and blood, sweat and tears.
4. People with free food would become rabbits and reproduce and take over the whole world lowering the amount of opportunities for everyone else.
5. What would society be like if we did this? People would have less services, homes, electronics, etc. Reality it would be like the Soviet Union. Even if you remove fascist elements you would have 10 year waits for cars, starvation (or maybe not with replicators), no where to go, high unemployment and so on.
Ask any eastern European on here or Russian what they think about this? They will be flabbergasted and say you have no idea what you are preaching? I remember life in the Soviet Union ... etc.
So it is sad but a cold hearted reality that our childhoods are over. We need to all work our butts off and be punished for not being the best or persuing the most economically sound path which society is willing to pay more for.
Unless someone can come up with some better ideas? My idea if I were king based on the free market would be to give condoms to poor countries and with less oversupply of workers consuming resources live will be better for everyone :-) The only way Europe left the dark middle ages was the bubonic plague. As horrible as this was with 1/3 of the population gone the middle class and freedom started where people didn't have to be a surf anymore and Paris and London had jobs again that paid something.