Corporations still use IE 5 quirks mode and ancient security TLS 1.0 which have problems in modern browsers as they are too secure.
Funny if it were not true as these insecure settings process HIPPA and credit card info. But IT is just a cost center right?
At work we disable all security for IE with no sandbox and put in ancient versions of Java with +100 security exploits. Our clients demand this as their cost accountants do not see a need to upgrade.
As a result even without MS specific CSS work arounds they still can't run.
Problem is the rendering engine goes through a crap ton of if/else statements for specific workarounds and compatibility even without the legacy modes. It is crusty. Remove it for better performance and websites which detect IE and feed ancient code break and corporations freaks out.
So Spartan is like Firefox. It removes crap from Netscape/Mozilla. So if a site is in trusted zone like an intranet page it loads the older trident.dlls for compatibility. Other than that the newer versions focuses on standards on a much cleaner and fresher slate.
IE is a terrible brand. It was an awesome brand in the 1990s but MS really screwed up last decade with IE 6 and letting it rot for many many many years. Now the standards are so radically different it needs modes and workarounds to keep intranet apps and modern websites happy. Meanwhile Chrome doesn't have this problem but I have notice it slow down and take more ram recently.
Ms wants this to be like its firefox/chrome. A new slate to build upon which is fast and lean. Also rumor has it MS will use Chrome's pepper APIs for extensions and will have add-ons. Another thing IE has been missing for a decade now.
Mozilla was terrible with Netscape quirks (worse than IE 6 if you can believe that) back in 2001. It gradually became better but was slow and not as quick or standards compliant as IE 6.
Then firefox came as a purge of old shit. It was fast, stable, extensible, and a new beginning to build upon and finally was the best browser around for many many years last decade.
IE 11 is not bad. Just like the last Mozilla Seamonkey builds in 2003 were improved. But it has legacy garbage and many if/else for specific workarounds from another era. IE 6 quirks code is still in even if not activated directly.
A rewrite with the legacy garbage gone for quick performance and faster implementation of HTML 5 and ajax is what MS needs to gain credibility. Yes, slashdotters IE 11 is not designed to subvert standards compared to the past. IE 11 like Mozilla is a great step in the right direction but to compete with Chrome it has to try much harder and be lean.
IE 9 is not a bad browser compared to its past horrible abominations. I started using it in 2011 after Firefox 4.0 abomination came out for several months. It was a little behind in HTML 5 support but was a much better browser than Firefox at the time and was very quick. I ended up with Chrome mostly. However, IE 9 was the first browser I used from MS in a very long time. I hated IE so much I would download firefox via the command prompt last decade as I didn't want to pollute my cpu with such trash:-)
Sounds to me your company has IE 9 in IE 7 compatibility mode and is rendering things in IE 7 mode via 2006.
This quirks and other hacks is what Spartan is all about. Stop supporting ancient shit which of course impacts current modern experiences and gives excuses not to upgrade
No posters said no software is best for security. This implies you don't need these things as you are safe via browsing means just don't open attachments. They got moded insightful too. Every AV article slashdot is loaded with comments +5 mods with AV doesn't work. Tired of it as slashdotters should know better.
So no adblock, ghostery, with Java and an outdated flash with IE 6 on XP in local admin and it is the users fault for being infected. Yeah each site has +25 ad networks per tab blindly executing whatever. It is pure madness to think otherwise.
Yes I use adblock but no AV is just as insane as 10 tabs means 250 executions from Lord knows who.
Really? You do not run Javascript or flash at all? Wow... here is a hint. 2001 is when you clicked on an attachment to get infected. Today open IE and an infected ad server will 0wn your machine.
I have a 365 subscription and downgraded back to 2010 for that reason. I have an Asus gaming monitor which is very bright and it is like staring intensely at a florescent lamp with Office 2013.
Name one function that was removed since 2003. Just because learning something new is hard doesn't mean something was taken away.
My opinion maybe unpopular here with a large group of slashdotters but I actually hated the menu in Office 2003 and the silly menus to show more. My worst was the nested menus and options where I needed many mouse clicks to perform tasks.
The ribbon was talked about and was cool back then in 2004 when MS R&D showed what it could do. Then of course people who were set in their ways whinned when 2007 came out and it and now it is uncool here.
It took me 1 week back in 2007 to get the hang of it and yes I was a little frustrated at first.:-(
After 1 month I got it and preferred it over the menus. That was 6 years ago! Today when I go on a coworkers computer with Office 2007 with Outlook which still has menus I am stomped as I do not know where everything else. Does this mean it is now inferior because *I* do not know where something is?
With ribbons I can preview changes before I make select them. Keyboard shortcuts work better when I hit the alt key. Try it? Office on a laptop with no room with a mouse is so much better as a result with the alt key and the previews.
Wrong. Your customers and customers customers decide when you don't support your OS and ancient version of IE.
XP still has more daily users than all of Macosx and will continue to be used for another decade. Just because update isn't supported anymore doesn't mean the average IE 8 user who doesn't know what a browser even is will stop using it until the machine no longer turns on.
It is free. Only the subscriptions are the add-ons like OneDrive, domain support, Azure, etc. MS will include a year for free if you upgrade from Windows 7 or 8.1 for the 1st year. Then you decide if you want to continue these add on services.
My boss watched the whole thing. He told me subscriptions are for service add ons like Onedrive, Security essentials, domain and azure support for small business etc.
So they are freebies for 1 year but to keep using them you need to subscribe. So it stays free if you do not care about these or your Onedrive is still there at 1 TB if you have an office 365 subscription.
This makes sense. Cheap bastards like us wont pay so we win. Corporations love renting software contrary to opinion here as accounting tricks to raise the share price need to keep spikes on expenses down. Remember it is by the quarter for the enterprise guys so renting it out is more expensive it will still give the accounts and the CEO his raise by having his ratios match Wall Street expectations.
This makes sense too as business users are willing to pay for support too and do not want to be data mined and will not buy crap from the appstore either.
There are people using XP today, because it's "good enough" and "doesn't warrant spending money on an upgrade" - especially since the upgrade is Windows 8 with its stupid Metro UI.
With the return of the Start menu and general improvements, I can easily see a lot of Windows 7/8 users upgrading. I've just had a chat with a friend who insists that Windows 7 is the best ever (which I agree with), and she said she'll be upgrading to Windows 10, because it's free. 8 was a clusterfuck that had a price tag.
Don't underestimate the value of free:)
I think these XP users are dumb. No not all as some who love it reading this am thinking I am not a troll. I am not but the average non slashdotter who is the least savory with computers are scared of them. They do not know what an update is or what an OS is. It is the computer. These are the vast majority of the remaining XP users and some hospitals with cheap ass IT departments.
Those who are even just regular users know systems age after a few years and have moved on from XP many years ago.
Or I am thinking EOL would mean 100% kill. You login and system says subscription expired. Whole system locked and choice is to throw it out or subscribe to a newer OS
IE 6 is the deface standard for corporate America for 10 years. What else should it run on? Name one standard compliant browser with more than 5% market share for the first part of last decade?
Thsee apps related people to save money. They go down then people do not get paid, supplies do not get ordered, contacts can't be signed, etc. They CAN'T be replaced. They have business logic that is custom with macros tailored just to the business. It must always stay the same and never change. What is wrong with you all?
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Wow is supports Windows and OpenVMS?
The Ellipse has been broken and is a major security risk
Corporations still use IE 5 quirks mode and ancient security TLS 1.0 which have problems in modern browsers as they are too secure.
Funny if it were not true as these insecure settings process HIPPA and credit card info. But IT is just a cost center right?
At work we disable all security for IE with no sandbox and put in ancient versions of Java with +100 security exploits. Our clients demand this as their cost accountants do not see a need to upgrade.
As a result even without MS specific CSS work arounds they still can't run.
MS forked Trident with different .dlls.
Problem is the rendering engine goes through a crap ton of if/else statements for specific workarounds and compatibility even without the legacy modes. It is crusty. Remove it for better performance and websites which detect IE and feed ancient code break and corporations freaks out.
So Spartan is like Firefox. It removes crap from Netscape/Mozilla. So if a site is in trusted zone like an intranet page it loads the older trident .dlls for compatibility. Other than that the newer versions focuses on standards on a much cleaner and fresher slate.
IE is a terrible brand. It was an awesome brand in the 1990s but MS really screwed up last decade with IE 6 and letting it rot for many many many years. Now the standards are so radically different it needs modes and workarounds to keep intranet apps and modern websites happy. Meanwhile Chrome doesn't have this problem but I have notice it slow down and take more ram recently.
Ms wants this to be like its firefox/chrome. A new slate to build upon which is fast and lean. Also rumor has it MS will use Chrome's pepper APIs for extensions and will have add-ons. Another thing IE has been missing for a decade now.
Mozilla was terrible with Netscape quirks (worse than IE 6 if you can believe that) back in 2001. It gradually became better but was slow and not as quick or standards compliant as IE 6.
Then firefox came as a purge of old shit. It was fast, stable, extensible, and a new beginning to build upon and finally was the best browser around for many many years last decade.
IE 11 is not bad. Just like the last Mozilla Seamonkey builds in 2003 were improved. But it has legacy garbage and many if/else for specific workarounds from another era. IE 6 quirks code is still in even if not activated directly.
A rewrite with the legacy garbage gone for quick performance and faster implementation of HTML 5 and ajax is what MS needs to gain credibility. Yes, slashdotters IE 11 is not designed to subvert standards compared to the past. IE 11 like Mozilla is a great step in the right direction but to compete with Chrome it has to try much harder and be lean.
IE 9 is not a bad browser compared to its past horrible abominations. I started using it in 2011 after Firefox 4.0 abomination came out for several months. It was a little behind in HTML 5 support but was a much better browser than Firefox at the time and was very quick. I ended up with Chrome mostly. However, IE 9 was the first browser I used from MS in a very long time. I hated IE so much I would download firefox via the command prompt last decade as I didn't want to pollute my cpu with such trash :-)
Sounds to me your company has IE 9 in IE 7 compatibility mode and is rendering things in IE 7 mode via 2006.
This quirks and other hacks is what Spartan is all about. Stop supporting ancient shit which of course impacts current modern experiences and gives excuses not to upgrade
Yes since IE 10.
Yes people who do not know what a browser even is give a damn not to mention web developers.
Windows 7 is pretty old and a half a decade now and it is still supported. XP? Well it is ancient. You do not expect to see MacOS 9 be usable in 2015.
Crypto wall encrypts your NAS and cloud drives as well. Very nasty ****** to get. Scary too as you are truly hosed
No posters said no software is best for security. This implies you don't need these things as you are safe via browsing means just don't open attachments. They got moded insightful too. Every AV article slashdot is loaded with comments +5 mods with AV doesn't work. Tired of it as slashdotters should know better.
So no adblock, ghostery, with Java and an outdated flash with IE 6 on XP in local admin and it is the users fault for being infected. Yeah each site has +25 ad networks per tab blindly executing whatever. It is pure madness to think otherwise.
Yes I use adblock but no AV is just as insane as 10 tabs means 250 executions from Lord knows who.
Really? You do not run Javascript or flash at all? Wow ... here is a hint. 2001 is when you clicked on an attachment to get infected. Today open IE and an infected ad server will 0wn your machine.
Wow just, wow.
Guess you never heard of a flash exploit before? You probably think a user only has to click on something to be 0wned?
Go to any major website and you will get 0wned if an ad network is hit.
That is beyond ignorant and very dangerous advice.
Nah. We just use SystemD now to do office work on Linux.
It just comes with a crappy startup daemon.
But the OP comment was IT SUCKS because I DO NOT LIKE IT and therefore it is the same as notepad. Who is the self aborbed idiot?
R&D show people now use 80% of the functions of Office where before they used less according to Microsoft. This would show the ribbon was a success.
I have a 365 subscription and downgraded back to 2010 for that reason. I have an Asus gaming monitor which is very bright and it is like staring intensely at a florescent lamp with Office 2013.
Thank God color is back
Name one function that was removed since 2003. Just because learning something new is hard doesn't mean something was taken away.
My opinion maybe unpopular here with a large group of slashdotters but I actually hated the menu in Office 2003 and the silly menus to show more. My worst was the nested menus and options where I needed many mouse clicks to perform tasks.
The ribbon was talked about and was cool back then in 2004 when MS R&D showed what it could do. Then of course people who were set in their ways whinned when 2007 came out and it and now it is uncool here.
It took me 1 week back in 2007 to get the hang of it and yes I was a little frustrated at first. :-(
After 1 month I got it and preferred it over the menus. That was 6 years ago! Today when I go on a coworkers computer with Office 2007 with Outlook which still has menus I am stomped as I do not know where everything else. Does this mean it is now inferior because *I* do not know where something is?
With ribbons I can preview changes before I make select them. Keyboard shortcuts work better when I hit the alt key. Try it? Office on a laptop with no room with a mouse is so much better as a result with the alt key and the previews.
Java by far.
Oracle waited for a year to pit in a patch for +100 exploits!! Yes you should be arrested for running that in your browser.
Wrong. Your customers and customers customers decide when you don't support your OS and ancient version of IE.
XP still has more daily users than all of Macosx and will continue to be used for another decade. Just because update isn't supported anymore doesn't mean the average IE 8 user who doesn't know what a browser even is will stop using it until the machine no longer turns on.
He will think you suck and not his platform
DirectX 12 will cut CPU usage in half similar to Mantle for ATI systems.
Your system if it is a low end cpu will benefit greatly from this.
No it won't.
It is free. Only the subscriptions are the add-ons like OneDrive, domain support, Azure, etc. MS will include a year for free if you upgrade from Windows 7 or 8.1 for the 1st year. Then you decide if you want to continue these add on services.
Calm down folks.
My boss watched the whole thing. He told me subscriptions are for service add ons like Onedrive, Security essentials, domain and azure support for small business etc.
So they are freebies for 1 year but to keep using them you need to subscribe. So it stays free if you do not care about these or your Onedrive is still there at 1 TB if you have an office 365 subscription.
This makes sense. Cheap bastards like us wont pay so we win. Corporations love renting software contrary to opinion here as accounting tricks to raise the share price need to keep spikes on expenses down. Remember it is by the quarter for the enterprise guys so renting it out is more expensive it will still give the accounts and the CEO his raise by having his ratios match Wall Street expectations.
This makes sense too as business users are willing to pay for support too and do not want to be data mined and will not buy crap from the appstore either.
There are people using XP today, because it's "good enough" and "doesn't warrant spending money on an upgrade" - especially since the upgrade is Windows 8 with its stupid Metro UI.
With the return of the Start menu and general improvements, I can easily see a lot of Windows 7/8 users upgrading. I've just had a chat with a friend who insists that Windows 7 is the best ever (which I agree with), and she said she'll be upgrading to Windows 10, because it's free. 8 was a clusterfuck that had a price tag.
Don't underestimate the value of free :)
I think these XP users are dumb. No not all as some who love it reading this am thinking I am not a troll. I am not but the average non slashdotter who is the least savory with computers are scared of them. They do not know what an update is or what an OS is. It is the computer. These are the vast majority of the remaining XP users and some hospitals with cheap ass IT departments.
Those who are even just regular users know systems age after a few years and have moved on from XP many years ago.
Or I am thinking EOL would mean 100% kill. You login and system says subscription expired. Whole system locked and choice is to throw it out or subscribe to a newer OS
Fun for embedded devices and scada. Lol
Spartan has a very cleaned out trident engine. So much so it is a new fork without baggage and much faster.
It can't run legacy code. MS has old engine for corporate sites and loads a tab of IE 11.
IE is not the piece of cap it was last decade. Spartan is much needed as why should quirks mode slow down porting html 5.1 features
Right because 10 year old linux apps are 100% compatible due to the standard Linux ABI ... oh wait
For this reason we do not run Linux at work.
IE 6 is the deface standard for corporate America for 10 years. What else should it run on? Name one standard compliant browser with more than 5% market share for the first part of last decade?
Thsee apps related people to save money. They go down then people do not get paid, supplies do not get ordered, contacts can't be signed, etc. They CAN'T be replaced. They have business logic that is custom with macros tailored just to the business. It must always stay the same and never change. What is wrong with you all?