Vista is over 5 years old. That is ancient in computer terms. XP changed our perception recently and was the oddball. Vista does not offer DirectX11 GPU nor the DRM and document protection of Windows 7 for the sharing features of Sky Drive Pro. (Sky Drive Pro is a rumor at this point from screenshots but many theorize it supports groups and what can be moved to the cloud).
It turns out that is not even patched nor supported either and businesses have no idea and still run it.
One part of me says businesses will simply not use it and it will fail. The other side thinks it is about time they moved on and we stopped catering to decade old technology and could see some progress. Web developers would be thrilled and could offer gradients and cool animations reserved only for the IPhone if we didn't cateer to ancient versions of IE anymore.
Win 7 is not "damn fine". It is the first actually acceptable (i.e. mediocre) Windows. Win 8 promises to be worse in a lot of regards, not only the completely borked UI. An what business has an OS anyways to tell the user what GUI to use????
The thing MS is on to, is that they finally started with Win 7 to catch up to the other OSes. Still a decade or so behind, but it used to be worse.
You know XP was a favorite bash of slashdotters..... then came Vista.
Then all of the sudden it was the best OS ever and people became fanbois and the corps started 10 year release cycles. Funny how a bad product will do that?
Oddly there are XP fanboys today who still wont even switch to Windows 7. If you are stuck with Windows, Windows 7 is ok. Not great and it has its quirks but ok.
...consisting of people who still want to grab a copy of Windows 7 before it's too late.
If rumors are an indication, the last Windows 7 license will be sold on December 21, 2012.
No way in hell!
Corporations are still mostly on XP and just starting to switch to Windows 7 now. Many other users will freak out and go to small shops to get Windows 7 installed like they did with XP. MS can't cut it off and I bet OEMs if they are smart will have Windows 7 models at retail as well. MS may want to have people shut up and not repeat the situation with XP of last decade but there is a genuine demand for obsolete software now. It works, its well tested, its stable, it doesn't play games of the marketing departments battle of the week (like trying to be iOS).
I wish people would upgrade but most including yourself, my family, and most client sites have no reason to switch from XP.
Equipment, intranet apps, and other things being right now in 2012 only work on XP. People resistant to change and the comments down here show that are average Joes are astounding! My pessimism grows but hell, it might help do support more after 2014 if they keep getting infected. That means more demand which means more money just like what webmasters charge for IE 6 development these days.
Will they be clearanced on October 26? Or should I grab one earlier. (When do the computer makers phase-out old models and bring-in new ones? August?)
If I were an OEM maker I would have 2 versions of laptops and desktops. Ones with Windows 8 and the other imaged with Windows 7. Dell did this after 6 months when it lost sales due to Vista and offered an XP 64 bit line for home users.
With support calls through the roof and customers freaking out I bet you could make a killing if you offered the Windows 7 at retail as well.
Shit, people are angry that Office 2013 is not compatible with Exchange 2003.
The catch? It has not been supported or patched in years! Corporations will just use XP until 2019 and get infected over and over again. XP wont die and it will make tech support people rich in years to come after 2014
I have a feeling October 27th, the switch will be melting from frustrated users foaming at the mouth with WTF did you do to my computer! Or what I thought this was a laptop not a tablet?
If you can take the abuse I imagine the support centers will be hiring left and right to keep up with demand.
No way business users will go with Asus. In corporate land it is HP or Dell and that is it. I guess some use Lenovo but I have not seen those desktops and servers common.
I do admit the corps frankly stopped investing in IT by 2008 when the financial crises hit and they love old XP with their 512 meg systems still. Dell will start raking in money soon as XP gets near retirement and the corps start refreshing and EOL their older systems as they move to Windows 7.
It's good that Dell caught back up to 2007... but who the hell is buying Dell branded equipment in 2012? It'd be nicer to see a MS licence rebate for doing a clean linux install, now a model program like that would be news.
One of the issues I have with Linux is that it lacks an ABI and drivers can break during an update. Also for 10 years now mp3 and other codecs are removed for copyright reasons making a new install a pain.
Dell makes sure the hardware works and locks it to its own repositories so I do not have to worry during an apt-get update and one school from my previous employer used the Dell branded Ubuntu and it had mp3, mp4, and other codecs right out of the box!
That is a good deal if you ask me and I wonder if system76 has the same benefits? It is nice to just turn it on and start working without looking for medibuntu repositories.
Those who got in when the economy was hot and kept their jobs and do not see a problem and think people are poor because of poor choices they made and are indifferent. Those who graduated in 2009 (like me!) who paid 3x as much for student loans from the same school the other group paid for 10 years earlier who HR considers unhirable because they work at Target and not in their field (not me thank god but many exists that I feel sorry for).
It is those 2 extremes I see. If the economy improves these adults working at Target with their degrees can get back to work and then build their wealth. Part of the problem is not the rich. It is just in this new economy if you are not good you are finished!
In the old days you could buy a house and live a comfortble lower middle class life with a car and even go on vacations with just a higsh school diploma. Today a degree does not get a free ticket anymore. You have to be great and be given a chance.
"You just made my day, knowing that there's someone else out there who "gets it." It is a source of endless frustration to me, the notion that a lot people out there have, that making money off of having money should be taxed at a lower rate than actually working. It drives me friggin' nuts when this is pitched as "class warfare" or "wealth envy." It is not wealth envy to expect people to pay at least the same tax rate--possibly even more--on money made off of having money versus actually working for it."
There is a reason for this. Actually two great reasons.
One argument is that without investment a business can not even make payroll. It is a false belief that a company uses solely profits to pay for its supplies, costs, and your pacheck. They always use lines of credit because customers sometimes payback in 30,60, or 90 day increments, costs for assets like warehouses or supplies require an upfront payment and other unforseen expenses etc. Taxing this will lead to a HUGE recession and force employers to move overseas where they can get more capital easier for day to day operations. Infact I was taught in finance 101 in college that a doubling of sales can throw you out business fast! Sounds ludicrious but you go bankrupt waiting for the checks as your short term costs go up through the roof making the money you get later. If you made cupcakes and Walmart orders $30,000,000 worth for all its stores you need $25,000,000 to make them RIGHT AWAY. Do not have that you go bankrupt before you get that 30 mil. So line of credit or investment by the rich is required.
Second reason is not all savings are the mega billionaires. What about people like my parents who are retired and life off their savings? A double tax rate would kill them. They worked hard for 30 years saving and should not be punished. You can call it evil capitalism all you want but Grandmas live off their savings and you would be effectively taxing them when they no longer can even produce an income.
I am not saying it is right or wrong but just giving another perspective. Excess money creates more money because startups, existing businesses, and widows/retirees need income and agreed to save in order to collect interest. In such a case both parties win.
The capital gains tax is low to encourage new startups and keep existing costs down so companies wont shut their doors and take their jobs to China who will practically throw money at you to leave and invest there.
I am not a member of neowin so I couldnt' check his profile. He seemed to go on and on how Windows 8 is 20% faster than XP on an ancient system with only 256 megs of ram. Go check my link.
He seems militant though I do agree on kicking Xp to the curb, that kind of nonsense is not a reason to do so.
Yep. MS mentioned it works for customers with CRM dynamics and its own azure providers of course. Skydrive is not bad for individual users to share documents at home.
If MS can provide AD support for groups to specify what gets on a cloud and what a user can take home this might be a killer feature. They are working on this according to the presentation but I do not know how implementable this is. It would certainly be a risk if it was on by default with no security but MS is locking down on sharing and locking things down starting a little with office 2010 and more on this one that uses Windows 7 DRM.
Sending a resume in a PDF is a no no if you ask any HR person. The reason being is they use software like Taleo to scan your keywords and rank you. Also, they like to email the resume and highlight it and make comments back and forth with several people and departments.
Most places would throw your resume away immediately if it is not in a doc or docx format. I have never been requested to send a document in a pdf format.
I know you still use XP and have limited ram from all your posts but you need to upgrade. I would have doubts about any IT worker if I saw that message on the resume and wonder what is up with this guy and why can't he afford a computer from the 21st century?
You can get Office 2010 for $129 that includes everything but Access and Publisher for non business home use and $199 for a homepack for up to 3 computers. If you do not want to be stuck with Windows 8 this summer would be an excellent opportunity to use Windows 7 a modern quad or 6 core processor with VM support (if you are a developer) and of course Office 2010. You might even get a starter kick on the PC where to upgrade might be under $90 to the full home edition with Word, Excel, and Powerpoint.
I hope it does use them in the Windows 7 version. I love Aero and its features in Windows 7 like Aero Peak when I move my cursor on the task bar. Glass is good too and I want an app that has the Windows 7 feel with it.
My guess is his employer will just pay the $400k yearly maintenance contract and hope their SSDs wont fail due to the lack of trim.
Wont these employers do not see is CRM dynamics, salesforce, and other online business social companies popping up and integrating with Office. You can manage and share documents with people in other companies utilizing these services with Office 2013 with the cloud.
That is a boast in productivity right there. But the cost accountants only see costs and not opportunity costs and that is part of the problem. My guess is his employer is behind the times with that too and probably does not even allow linkedin.com.
The corporations are going to join the net next and I do not just mean sending an email and goofing off on the web when the boss is not working. Office 2003 is not equipped for this. Instead it will be a separate expensive sharepoint app that clients can VPN or some other god aweful hacked solution to prevent joining the 21st century.
Well the people replying in Neowin are certainly not fanboys of XP if you read the comments.:-)
I linked it show people it is not a Metrosexual Office makeover for the tablet but rather part of a move to get the stubborn corporate users to leave and is part of a Windows 7 transition move. If you have people at Neowin of all places saying stop using XP it SUCKS AND IS OLD then that says a lot right there.
The ads are not the worst more than randomly people Iming you with hey look at my titties at www.horneyforflies.com. They try to friend you once an hour from compromised accounts.
Seriously this is negligent as kids use IM programs. No one cares and you can now forget about me using it at work. I would be fired fast. They have no one doing any checking other than yep we have an IM client, lets go work on Yahoo360 instead and let it rot. Very similar to SCO, Bordland, and a whole bunch of other companies.
Google would stop you so damn fast if you tried a scam with Google's voice and found a weakness. The Andriod Yahoo mail vulnerability is another one. Yahoo just shrugs their shoulders.
Is this a company I want to do business with? Hell no. I do banking on my computer
If there is no product left you are screwed. Yahoo is not Google either and is less aggressive in marketing and advertising.
What I really see is from the security scandal and many many other problems including spammers taking over, and feature rott, are all a sign of a lack of vision and people just giving a damn about their products. Their products reak, porn spammers even go into the children's chat rooms for crying out loud and spam every 1 minute! I am not talking about a one time thing, but they have been doing that for over 10 years! I quit using Yahoo right around then with chat.
Their IM program is malware ladden and slows down older computers and has people randomly friending and spamming you, again no one gives a shit at Yahoo and I use Digsby for my Yahoo client now.
They could have taken on Google in 2002 with an improved search engine. They could have taken on Skype with improved video as they did have some of it workign and calling in YahooIM 5 years ago at least. They could have got rid of all the porn spammers and made Yahoo chat a must have thing rather than letting AOL and then MSN steal this market.
In comparison Google and even Microsoft quickly fix things and are always at least trying to compete and outdo companies like Skype. No one cares and it is just a boring day job with no passion left. This new CEO needs to excite her employees and fire QA and security people and provide a vision for improvments.
Actually the problem with Office 2013 is it does not play nice with Metro at all.
This looks very Windows 7 ish with corporate oriented features as a way to yank these corps off of XP. Obviously this version requires Windows 7 & 8. You may hate Windows, but many people love Office and it looks like a decent upgrade for the corps with its social integration and sharing features.
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Vista is over 5 years old. That is ancient in computer terms. XP changed our perception recently and was the oddball. Vista does not offer DirectX11 GPU nor the DRM and document protection of Windows 7 for the sharing features of Sky Drive Pro. (Sky Drive Pro is a rumor at this point from screenshots but many theorize it supports groups and what can be moved to the cloud).
It turns out that is not even patched nor supported either and businesses have no idea and still run it.
One part of me says businesses will simply not use it and it will fail. The other side thinks it is about time they moved on and we stopped catering to decade old technology and could see some progress. Web developers would be thrilled and could offer gradients and cool animations reserved only for the IPhone if we didn't cateer to ancient versions of IE anymore.
Win 7 is not "damn fine". It is the first actually acceptable (i.e. mediocre) Windows. Win 8 promises to be worse in a lot of regards, not only the completely borked UI. An what business has an OS anyways to tell the user what GUI to use????
The thing MS is on to, is that they finally started with Win 7 to catch up to the other OSes. Still a decade or so behind, but it used to be worse.
You know XP was a favorite bash of slashdotters. .... then came Vista.
Then all of the sudden it was the best OS ever and people became fanbois and the corps started 10 year release cycles. Funny how a bad product will do that?
Oddly there are XP fanboys today who still wont even switch to Windows 7. If you are stuck with Windows, Windows 7 is ok. Not great and it has its quirks but ok.
...consisting of people who still want to grab a copy of Windows 7 before it's too late.
If rumors are an indication, the last Windows 7 license will be sold on December 21, 2012.
No way in hell!
Corporations are still mostly on XP and just starting to switch to Windows 7 now. Many other users will freak out and go to small shops to get Windows 7 installed like they did with XP. MS can't cut it off and I bet OEMs if they are smart will have Windows 7 models at retail as well. MS may want to have people shut up and not repeat the situation with XP of last decade but there is a genuine demand for obsolete software now. It works, its well tested, its stable, it doesn't play games of the marketing departments battle of the week (like trying to be iOS).
Check again?
Exchange has not been supported in several years. If you have it at work I hope you do not get infected. Time to upgrade ASAP.
I wish people would upgrade but most including yourself, my family, and most client sites have no reason to switch from XP.
Equipment, intranet apps, and other things being right now in 2012 only work on XP. People resistant to change and the comments down here show that are average Joes are astounding! My pessimism grows but hell, it might help do support more after 2014 if they keep getting infected. That means more demand which means more money just like what webmasters charge for IE 6 development these days.
You mean that one that is just IE 10 Metrosized of hotmail.com with no other functionality?
I would not even call that pos an app.
Will they be clearanced on October 26? Or should I grab one earlier. (When do the computer makers phase-out old models and bring-in new ones? August?)
If I were an OEM maker I would have 2 versions of laptops and desktops. Ones with Windows 8 and the other imaged with Windows 7. Dell did this after 6 months when it lost sales due to Vista and offered an XP 64 bit line for home users.
With support calls through the roof and customers freaking out I bet you could make a killing if you offered the Windows 7 at retail as well.
Shit, people are angry that Office 2013 is not compatible with Exchange 2003.
The catch? It has not been supported or patched in years! Corporations will just use XP until 2019 and get infected over and over again. XP wont die and it will make tech support people rich in years to come after 2014
Work for an OEM call center, check.
I have a feeling October 27th, the switch will be melting from frustrated users foaming at the mouth with WTF did you do to my computer! Or what I thought this was a laptop not a tablet?
If you can take the abuse I imagine the support centers will be hiring left and right to keep up with demand.
No way business users will go with Asus. In corporate land it is HP or Dell and that is it. I guess some use Lenovo but I have not seen those desktops and servers common.
I do admit the corps frankly stopped investing in IT by 2008 when the financial crises hit and they love old XP with their 512 meg systems still. Dell will start raking in money soon as XP gets near retirement and the corps start refreshing and EOL their older systems as they move to Windows 7.
It's good that Dell caught back up to 2007... but who the hell is buying Dell branded equipment in 2012? It'd be nicer to see a MS licence rebate for doing a clean linux install, now a model program like that would be news.
One of the issues I have with Linux is that it lacks an ABI and drivers can break during an update. Also for 10 years now mp3 and other codecs are removed for copyright reasons making a new install a pain.
Dell makes sure the hardware works and locks it to its own repositories so I do not have to worry during an apt-get update and one school from my previous employer used the Dell branded Ubuntu and it had mp3, mp4, and other codecs right out of the box!
That is a good deal if you ask me and I wonder if system76 has the same benefits? It is nice to just turn it on and start working without looking for medibuntu repositories.
I noticed there are people in two camps under 35.
Those who got in when the economy was hot and kept their jobs and do not see a problem and think people are poor because of poor choices they made and are indifferent. Those who graduated in 2009 (like me!) who paid 3x as much for student loans from the same school the other group paid for 10 years earlier who HR considers unhirable because they work at Target and not in their field (not me thank god but many exists that I feel sorry for).
It is those 2 extremes I see. If the economy improves these adults working at Target with their degrees can get back to work and then build their wealth. Part of the problem is not the rich. It is just in this new economy if you are not good you are finished!
In the old days you could buy a house and live a comfortble lower middle class life with a car and even go on vacations with just a higsh school diploma. Today a degree does not get a free ticket anymore. You have to be great and be given a chance.
"You just made my day, knowing that there's someone else out there who "gets it." It is a source of endless frustration to me, the notion that a lot people out there have, that making money off of having money should be taxed at a lower rate than actually working. It drives me friggin' nuts when this is pitched as "class warfare" or "wealth envy." It is not wealth envy to expect people to pay at least the same tax rate--possibly even more--on money made off of having money versus actually working for it."
There is a reason for this. Actually two great reasons.
One argument is that without investment a business can not even make payroll. It is a false belief that a company uses solely profits to pay for its supplies, costs, and your pacheck. They always use lines of credit because customers sometimes payback in 30,60, or 90 day increments, costs for assets like warehouses or supplies require an upfront payment and other unforseen expenses etc. Taxing this will lead to a HUGE recession and force employers to move overseas where they can get more capital easier for day to day operations. Infact I was taught in finance 101 in college that a doubling of sales can throw you out business fast! Sounds ludicrious but you go bankrupt waiting for the checks as your short term costs go up through the roof making the money you get later. If you made cupcakes and Walmart orders $30,000,000 worth for all its stores you need $25,000,000 to make them RIGHT AWAY. Do not have that you go bankrupt before you get that 30 mil. So line of credit or investment by the rich is required.
Second reason is not all savings are the mega billionaires. What about people like my parents who are retired and life off their savings? A double tax rate would kill them. They worked hard for 30 years saving and should not be punished. You can call it evil capitalism all you want but Grandmas live off their savings and you would be effectively taxing them when they no longer can even produce an income.
I am not saying it is right or wrong but just giving another perspective. Excess money creates more money because startups, existing businesses, and widows/retirees need income and agreed to save in order to collect interest. In such a case both parties win.
The capital gains tax is low to encourage new startups and keep existing costs down so companies wont shut their doors and take their jobs to China who will practically throw money at you to leave and invest there.
I am not a member of neowin so I couldnt' check his profile. He seemed to go on and on how Windows 8 is 20% faster than XP on an ancient system with only 256 megs of ram. Go check my link.
He seems militant though I do agree on kicking Xp to the curb, that kind of nonsense is not a reason to do so.
Yep. MS mentioned it works for customers with CRM dynamics and its own azure providers of course. Skydrive is not bad for individual users to share documents at home.
If MS can provide AD support for groups to specify what gets on a cloud and what a user can take home this might be a killer feature. They are working on this according to the presentation but I do not know how implementable this is. It would certainly be a risk if it was on by default with no security but MS is locking down on sharing and locking things down starting a little with office 2010 and more on this one that uses Windows 7 DRM.
Sending a resume in a PDF is a no no if you ask any HR person. The reason being is they use software like Taleo to scan your keywords and rank you. Also, they like to email the resume and highlight it and make comments back and forth with several people and departments.
Most places would throw your resume away immediately if it is not in a doc or docx format. I have never been requested to send a document in a pdf format.
Holy crap dude.
I know you still use XP and have limited ram from all your posts but you need to upgrade. I would have doubts about any IT worker if I saw that message on the resume and wonder what is up with this guy and why can't he afford a computer from the 21st century?
You can get Office 2010 for $129 that includes everything but Access and Publisher for non business home use and $199 for a homepack for up to 3 computers. If you do not want to be stuck with Windows 8 this summer would be an excellent opportunity to use Windows 7 a modern quad or 6 core processor with VM support (if you are a developer) and of course Office 2010. You might even get a starter kick on the PC where to upgrade might be under $90 to the full home edition with Word, Excel, and Powerpoint.
I hope it does use them in the Windows 7 version. I love Aero and its features in Windows 7 like Aero Peak when I move my cursor on the task bar. Glass is good too and I want an app that has the Windows 7 feel with it.
My guess is his employer will just pay the $400k yearly maintenance contract and hope their SSDs wont fail due to the lack of trim.
Wont these employers do not see is CRM dynamics, salesforce, and other online business social companies popping up and integrating with Office. You can manage and share documents with people in other companies utilizing these services with Office 2013 with the cloud.
That is a boast in productivity right there. But the cost accountants only see costs and not opportunity costs and that is part of the problem. My guess is his employer is behind the times with that too and probably does not even allow linkedin.com.
The corporations are going to join the net next and I do not just mean sending an email and goofing off on the web when the boss is not working. Office 2003 is not equipped for this. Instead it will be a separate expensive sharepoint app that clients can VPN or some other god aweful hacked solution to prevent joining the 21st century.
Well the people replying in Neowin are certainly not fanboys of XP if you read the comments. :-)
I linked it show people it is not a Metrosexual Office makeover for the tablet but rather part of a move to get the stubborn corporate users to leave and is part of a Windows 7 transition move. If you have people at Neowin of all places saying stop using XP it SUCKS AND IS OLD then that says a lot right there.
The ads are not the worst more than randomly people Iming you with hey look at my titties at www.horneyforflies.com. They try to friend you once an hour from compromised accounts.
Seriously this is negligent as kids use IM programs. No one cares and you can now forget about me using it at work. I would be fired fast. They have no one doing any checking other than yep we have an IM client, lets go work on Yahoo360 instead and let it rot. Very similar to SCO, Bordland, and a whole bunch of other companies.
Google would stop you so damn fast if you tried a scam with Google's voice and found a weakness. The Andriod Yahoo mail vulnerability is another one. Yahoo just shrugs their shoulders.
Is this a company I want to do business with? Hell no. I do banking on my computer
If there is no product left you are screwed. Yahoo is not Google either and is less aggressive in marketing and advertising.
What I really see is from the security scandal and many many other problems including spammers taking over, and feature rott, are all a sign of a lack of vision and people just giving a damn about their products. Their products reak, porn spammers even go into the children's chat rooms for crying out loud and spam every 1 minute! I am not talking about a one time thing, but they have been doing that for over 10 years! I quit using Yahoo right around then with chat.
Their IM program is malware ladden and slows down older computers and has people randomly friending and spamming you, again no one gives a shit at Yahoo and I use Digsby for my Yahoo client now.
They could have taken on Google in 2002 with an improved search engine. They could have taken on Skype with improved video as they did have some of it workign and calling in YahooIM 5 years ago at least. They could have got rid of all the porn spammers and made Yahoo chat a must have thing rather than letting AOL and then MSN steal this market.
In comparison Google and even Microsoft quickly fix things and are always at least trying to compete and outdo companies like Skype. No one cares and it is just a boring day job with no passion left. This new CEO needs to excite her employees and fire QA and security people and provide a vision for improvments.
Do this and we the product shall return.
She has 0 CEO experience.
In a case like this you need a rockstar CEO who is top rated and has a proven track record as Yahoo is not stable right now.
Actually the problem with Office 2013 is it does not play nice with Metro at all.
This looks very Windows 7 ish with corporate oriented features as a way to yank these corps off of XP. Obviously this version requires Windows 7 & 8. You may hate Windows, but many people love Office and it looks like a decent upgrade for the corps with its social integration and sharing features.