The courier tablet was killed by Bill Gates believe it or not as he was called in. IT was the right move as the IPAD came out a year later and MS wanted something that was specific to a tablet/phone and the sorry Windows CE of a horrible start menu icon and bugginess didn't work on mobile devices compared to Andriod and IOS.
Windows 8 is a better bet not to mention the courier couldn't run office or tie things into Windows which would cost MS money. Onenote is the only thing that survived from the courier and its sucks goatballs on a desktop and I hate it.
Balmer never should have let infighting from Windows, Office, and the tablet divisions. The Office team admitted to killing cleartype fonts for 12 years on purpose to screw the other division. If I were CEO the VP of Office would have been fired for not being a team player. Balmer failed to provide leadership.
As for the other products you mentioned, I believe MS is doing the right thing now as there xboix, msnbc, and bing are great products. They are doing more independent work now with kinectx, Windows mobile, bing, and zune software. Believe it or not it has great ratings from www.amplicate in regards to Windows Mobile and Zune.
However, I believe Bill Gates deserves teh credit back in 2009 for firing people and offering guidence and vision. For the GP "Windows forever". The fact that people still run 10 year old XP is very very bad and embarrasing. Windows 7 is now just starting to take over with corporate America transition currently, or willl do so next year according to surveys so we can finally drop the dinosaur.
Winodws Vista failed to innovate very very late and even Windows 7 was a big bug fix to Vista with minor improvements. Windows is 5 years behind where it should be. Windows 8 will fix this if they are smart and put the start menu back and desktop mode for users with desktops.
It is not like 2 of the biggest search engines also have their own respective browsers, where the companies have a vested interest in tracking typing, mouse clicks, and other online behaviors to advertise or anything.
MS is doing a turn around started by Bill Gates from what I read in Ars Technica.
Windows Phone 7.5 is a rewrite and actually doesn't suck. It is still very new and comes only with IE 9 with limited HTML 5 support mostly on graphics and audio but it is a start. The METRO gui is awesome for a tablet or phone (yes it sucks on the desktop). IE 10 has HTML 5 support that ties it with Chrome and Firefox and will be out in a few months. IE 10's javascript conformance is the most compliant out there and beats all browsers with ecma 262.
Office 2010 finally took out the rough edges of Office 2007, XBox is making money and has a cult following, and Windows 7 is getting people to upgrade again. Windows 8 could be a hit too if the Metro interface is not part of it on the desktop for tablets and netbooks that are touch based. Win 8 could still go either way if MS is retarded enough to kill the start menu or not making it more mouse friendly.
My point is MS could have a nice turn around. They are doing the right things now and abandoning their old proprietary ways. We will see if in 2 - 3 years if it works.
Investors love companies stuffed with assets that it can sell to meet its quarterly expectations just in case it does not perform well. That is what raises a stock price and it is a liquidity ratio. MS bought marketable securities 10 years ago. About 50% into that in cash. Marketable securities just means stocks in other companies. Guess what happened when the market crashed in 2008/2009?
The value of its assets had a negative value! Ouch. MS still made money yes and was growing but now the assets are not there just in case it can't perform well and that means risks to investors.
I wrote another post with reasons like consumers not upgrading their OS every 2-3 years and now doing a 10 year life cycle due to Vista which really hurt MS profitability wise. Now since the accountants discovered that trick we can expect Windows 7 to still be used in 2019. Sigh. It is a complete opposite of 1990s when companies rushed to buy the latest technology to be competitive. Now they rush on who can be the cheapest first to save money. That hurts Microsoft too.
That is why its share price is down. Not as simple as not growing enough but being more exposed to risk as people go to clouds and MS having much less assets as they still have not recovered to pay its dividends no matter what the market is.
Offices still use 10 year old IE 6, XP, and Office 2003 and refuse to upgrade.
MS once had a sizeable portition of the PDA/Smart phone market with Windows CE. They now own 2%! Bing is lossing billions every year. XBOX just broke even 10 years after release and billions thrown in, and Vista. Worse MS bought marketing securities as its assets (stocks of other companies) which tanked in 2009 that hurt Microsofts stock price, in which Wall Street looks at liquidity and $ in assets.
Right now Microsoft is doing a turn around and making the right decisions. Bill Gates is the one who did the focus on Windows 8 Metro/WP7 UI after seeing the IPhone and panicking that MS was about to lose their beloved tablets to the IPAD. Windows 7 is a decent OS that businesses are just finally begining to adopt. IE 9/10 actually do not suck and MS is doing a total turn around and supporting open standards such as HTML 5 and leaving their crappy silverlight and IE 6/7 proprietary things behind.
I believe in 2-3 years MS will be making more profits as XBox is now making money, Windows Phone will increase in popularity as it actually is good (no I am not trolling here as it is a rewrite), and Bing is starting to see some revenue and traction, and businesses are finally upgrading and using sharepoint or will soon switch to it.
MS fucked up with bad project managers and infighting and it showed. The 2000's were terrible and stagnated after XP, IE 6, XBOX 1 as they had no vision. I do not know how much of it was Balmer hiring the right executives or Bill Gates advising him and the board on where to lead the company. If it was Bill Gates ideas that saved it then Balmer should step down.
Here is what I learned in Finance 101. The goal of any company is to raise the share price and not make money. Investors look for things like insane liquidity ratios. This means assets that you can sell quickly to make money. Having more cash, very sellable assets, and other things to raise cash just in case they do not perform well in the next quarter.
Sure your company is making money now but can you make even more money next quarter? That is the question and selling stuff very quickly reassures the investors the stock price will continue to go up. MS pretty much had so much liquid a decade ago that they bought stocks of other companies. The problem is when the great recession hit they tanked and they were no longer liquid at the price MS paid for them. Even with sales increases it is hard.
The south is hardcore republican today and very conservative. LBJ did not gain power. He lost it forever in the south and even quoted "I just lost the south forever!" when signing the 1964 civil rights act. He split the democratic party as a result and southern dixiecrats who were racist became republicans when Nixon came around. The only reason they werent republican is that they did not want to be associated with the party of Lincoln which offended southerns still from the Civil War.
Jesse Helms and many others who were the far right and supported the states rights party were all conservative democrats and became republican thanks to LJB spliting it. This proves that parties do change from within.
HTML 5 is browser agnostic. IE 10, Chrome, and FF render about the same in most areas. It will improve more as browsers get more updated and even MS is now putting IE on a annual upgrade cycle. This should ellivate any fears from corporations who bought into shitty IE 6 intranet tools. Corporations would love this and not ever having to be held hostage by obsolete browsers and operating systems.
An IE 10 intranet site in HTML 5 will work in IE 12 and even IE 17.
The issue is old IE might prevent this or those who just upgraded to IE 8/Win 7. These same corporations who still used IE 6 last year who just blew $2 million on an internet upgrade for now an IE 8 specific intranet site will not upgrade to IE 10 and scream MURDER WE JUST UPGRADED and continue to use it until 2019 when support for Windows 7 expires and IE 17 is out. Lets hope people leave IE 8 behind as it is a catch 22 with web developers that wont utilize HTML 5 unless html 4 browsers drop below 10% usage.
I sense fear in Adobe. They want a piece of the mobile action and are left out. HTML 5 is terrible for Adobe as it opens it up to competition and they do not control it. Microsoft in the past won by controlling standards but even they are warming up to HTML 5 to catch up with IOS.
So they figured they still have name recognition and maybe if they retool their products they can continue their monopoly on design software to prevent anyone else from coming in and being the next Adobe with HTML 5. But still that is pretty paranoid thinking on their part.
With IE 8 sticking around for quite awhile due to corporations using what comes on the CD with Windows 7, flash wont go away. Many webmasters would love to switch to HTML 5 but do not want to leave these users out. We will see what happens in 2 years from now if corporations start upgrading their browsers more or they will fight tooth and nail to make IE 8, the next IE 6 and do a 10 year browser upgrade cycle.
Java applets are what Andriod apps are. It was ahead of its time and you are correct.
HTML 5 is good and MS owns 2% of the smartphone market so they can't dominate like they used too. True you need some glue to turn your web app into a full featured applet, but that should be easy if it is html 5 based. The standard has an api for speech, Input/outut, worker threads, and even a web database api. The more logic that goes into the standard, the easier it is for you to port.
Much easier to port your app to all 3 mobile platforms than in the past where you written a proprietary desktop app that would require a complete rewrite for each platform. That is how Windows won.
Oddly MS traditionally would be favoring silverlight and shunning HTML 5 as it would make things easier to port and that is something Bill Gates would not approve of if he were still CEO. Apple opened a can of worms with HTML 5 with the IPhone that is good for us but bad for them as they had a monopoly almost before Andriod.
Now with HTML5 becoming the the preferred nuisance apparatus, can we create something to block them browser side?
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Would you prefer to create crappy wrong box model driven IE 6 code instead with flash to hide its inadequacies instead?
Go spend 1 day supporting old IE and the bunches of incompatible implementations of CSS 1,2,3 and HTML 4 madness with all versions of IE and other browsers? Having Microsoft and Adobe switch to open standards is a GODSEND for any serious webmaster.
IE 10, Chrome, and Firefox will finally render about the same and we can have the same experience on an IPhone than we can with intranet and internet sites and leave the crappy HTML 4 skins behind. Everything will just work like it was intended 15 years ago.
If you do not like it go use IE 8. Corporations will probably use it for 10 years like they did with IE 6 anyway and you can live in the past all you like. The rest of us will make awesome applets that run across any platform.
They are attracted to the democratic party as southern states would not and even violently opposed having blacks register to vote. The democratic party gave them that right and it is not about welfare or socialism but the result of LBJ defending them and letting them have a voice. Why is that a bad thing?
The fact that black conservatives exist show they are not all liberal, but they do owe it to LBJ and the civil rights movement to be who they are today and be part of politics.
However, in Alabama crops are rotting after the state booted illegal aliens. With an unemployment rate of 11% people should be lining up to do the work. I was in favor of this as I thought it would lower the unemployment rate. However, I was sadly proved wrong by the conservatives who said we needed more aliens as Americans were lazy:-(
Sure they only pay $10 an hour, but I did hard work before doing manual labor. It sucks but if you have student loans you need to do it. My prediction is when Alabama reverses its role the citizens living off unemployment will have their benefits expire and be freaking out and crying foul when the same farmers laugh at them when they are starving and need work. They had their chance etc...
Not everyone can get good jobs but there are plenty of jobs at McDonalds and gas stations taht can't be filled. Many employers are complaining they can't find enough qualified candidates even today. People had inflated salaries like their inflated home values. People readjusted their home values to sell and people need to do the same with their wages and accept less. Globalization is here and has lowered wages significantly.
You can help yourself a lot more doing that then nothing
Look up history? The democratic party was very conservative while the radical republicans were far to the left and liberal. It changed.
Why? People registered to vote and change parties from within. The democratic party was racist too in the early 1960s and blacks took it over and now they represent human rights.
Corporations hold too much power but if enough people get together and vote in primaries like the Tea Party does results will happen. The majority of Americans hate this and the house has a 9% approval rating! While most of us oppose OWS they surely would not cleaning house and having reforms. It is ripe and the OWS have a choice. Either to sit in tents and not do anything, or be active.
The religious right did it and owned the republican party even though Carter was the Christian and now the Tea Party is calling the shots. People make changes in democracies and this is true in corrupt ones as well.
If they want to really make a point they need to go door to door and register to vote and become politically active and occupy Washington DC for a day or two.
Civil Disobedience is an option when you have no power, like being black pre 1964 civil rights act, living in British controlled India, or under an Egyptian dictatorship where you have no power to vote or expression.
They accomplish nothing but their own missery and even peril by not being responsible and working or looking for work,
The Tea Party was right leaning, but Sarah Palin give them a speech. So whose it going to be? Democrat or Republican to help your vision? They chose to register and work inside the republican party organized.
These protestors might be liberal oriented but they are not organized in the democratic party. SOme might even be liberatarians. The Tea Party is what kicked 3 senators out. The last one in Alaska had to re-register as an independent and then change back to a republican. I lived in Alaska at the time and I thought that was crazy but the Tea Party fringe ones are just too extreme.
They have been whining for months too. To top it off Foxnews reported they and local businesses held a counter protest and marched to the mayors office on Sunday. The mayor simply responded to their request today.
In Utah and Portland I read the cities put up baracades claiming it is was to fix the parks. IN the chaos the protestors wont know where to protest and the hope is it will disabanded.
This is not a Vietnam style protest at all. Those had tens of thousands of people. In my city of Tampa, there are a full 21 people... whoa wahoo...
New York has maybe 100 staying out of 14 million people who live there. In the 1960s students were being killed, the media was lying, tens of thousands protested and took over Berkeley. Students were beaten with batons. Not even in the same scale.
The baby boomers had a stronger work ethic too since their parents grew up in the great depression. They worked and protested when not at work. These kids even admitted on TV that they had crappy jobs so they want to stay here instead and then wonder why they can't pay their loans because they are not working and expect us to bail them out.
FYI I support protesting and taking corruption out of politics and protesting. However, I would rather apply for jobs and be responsible than to sit in a tent and whine in the cold. That does not help myself and the students in the 1960s were smart enough to realize this.
No issue. They do not own the land. I spoke with a lady this weekend from the movement and it turned into an argument. Yes, it is public, but there is a reason we have houses. We own them and have no rights under the 4th amendment for property.
It is publically owned, but the public has to vote to let someone use it. they are not 100% of the public as homeless people can not sleep legally at any public place in Las Vegas or Los Angeles. Same principle.
You can be searched because you are breaking the law and you do not own the land. I can bet the mayor did get a judges permit anyway to be clean. A tent is not a home or a dwelling so they can do this.
While I do agree that the world is not fair and people have a right to be upset and fearful of a 2nd crash with this dangerous flash trading and debt created by the rich, I do feel these protestors are morons.
Not all of course as I would want to protest for a few hours. However, occupying a public space, supporting socialism, and refusing to get jobs or at least look and just whine out in the cold in a tent is not very smart at all. What do they expect? A trader walking past says, oh poor fellows. Let me tell the CEO of Goldman Sachs to disaband and give all our money back to the people and hire these people to watch other peole do jobs. Shame on us... YEAH RIGHT!
Start a political party, organize voters house to house, go get a mcJob to start paying down the student loan debts you agreed to pay for (I don't care if it is a 40k a year job starting out), and so on. Doing these things might not get you as successful as the those over 34 or your parents, but it is better than whinning and you can start to do something about it. The Tea Party was smart and taken over the republican party. That is why there was no compromise on the debt ceiling a.001% tax increase will give a (R) a one way ticket out of office from the Tea Party. OWS needs to do the same.
Defacing property with no message is wrong. If anything many support the tentants of communism and socialism that I find a problem rather than a solution.
They can be tracked complete with GPS and can be used to record sensitive information.
I have been reading Al Jazeera with the news of Libya last summer and cell phones were a problem. Basically loyalist spies would txt the GPS specs to Loyalists in Walid and Sirte, and whenever they went in the enemy was already there ambusing the rebels.
Even not I wonder how easy it is to hack them. China has a keen interest and have the best hacking elite group in the world that have inflitrated Los Almos and even satelites.
With Army equipment you know who made it and the ins and outs compared to a cell phone with knows what abilities it has obscured away.
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The courier tablet was killed by Bill Gates believe it or not as he was called in. IT was the right move as the IPAD came out a year later and MS wanted something that was specific to a tablet/phone and the sorry Windows CE of a horrible start menu icon and bugginess didn't work on mobile devices compared to Andriod and IOS.
Windows 8 is a better bet not to mention the courier couldn't run office or tie things into Windows which would cost MS money. Onenote is the only thing that survived from the courier and its sucks goatballs on a desktop and I hate it.
Balmer never should have let infighting from Windows, Office, and the tablet divisions. The Office team admitted to killing cleartype fonts for 12 years on purpose to screw the other division. If I were CEO the VP of Office would have been fired for not being a team player. Balmer failed to provide leadership.
As for the other products you mentioned, I believe MS is doing the right thing now as there xboix, msnbc, and bing are great products. They are doing more independent work now with kinectx, Windows mobile, bing, and zune software. Believe it or not it has great ratings from www.amplicate in regards to Windows Mobile and Zune.
However, I believe Bill Gates deserves teh credit back in 2009 for firing people and offering guidence and vision. For the GP "Windows forever". The fact that people still run 10 year old XP is very very bad and embarrasing. Windows 7 is now just starting to take over with corporate America transition currently, or willl do so next year according to surveys so we can finally drop the dinosaur.
Winodws Vista failed to innovate very very late and even Windows 7 was a big bug fix to Vista with minor improvements. Windows is 5 years behind where it should be. Windows 8 will fix this if they are smart and put the start menu back and desktop mode for users with desktops.
Or IE will follow that 100%. ... but Windows will track it and watch what you type instead and report it to Bing :-)
It is not like 2 of the biggest search engines also have their own respective browsers, where the companies have a vested interest in tracking typing, mouse clicks, and other online behaviors to advertise or anything.
MS is doing a turn around started by Bill Gates from what I read in Ars Technica.
Windows Phone 7.5 is a rewrite and actually doesn't suck. It is still very new and comes only with IE 9 with limited HTML 5 support mostly on graphics and audio but it is a start. The METRO gui is awesome for a tablet or phone (yes it sucks on the desktop). IE 10 has HTML 5 support that ties it with Chrome and Firefox and will be out in a few months. IE 10's javascript conformance is the most compliant out there and beats all browsers with ecma 262.
Office 2010 finally took out the rough edges of Office 2007, XBox is making money and has a cult following, and Windows 7 is getting people to upgrade again. Windows 8 could be a hit too if the Metro interface is not part of it on the desktop for tablets and netbooks that are touch based. Win 8 could still go either way if MS is retarded enough to kill the start menu or not making it more mouse friendly.
My point is MS could have a nice turn around. They are doing the right things now and abandoning their old proprietary ways. We will see if in 2 - 3 years if it works.
It is more complicated than that.
Investors love companies stuffed with assets that it can sell to meet its quarterly expectations just in case it does not perform well. That is what raises a stock price and it is a liquidity ratio. MS bought marketable securities 10 years ago. About 50% into that in cash. Marketable securities just means stocks in other companies. Guess what happened when the market crashed in 2008/2009?
The value of its assets had a negative value! Ouch. MS still made money yes and was growing but now the assets are not there just in case it can't perform well and that means risks to investors.
I wrote another post with reasons like consumers not upgrading their OS every 2-3 years and now doing a 10 year life cycle due to Vista which really hurt MS profitability wise. Now since the accountants discovered that trick we can expect Windows 7 to still be used in 2019. Sigh. It is a complete opposite of 1990s when companies rushed to buy the latest technology to be competitive. Now they rush on who can be the cheapest first to save money. That hurts Microsoft too.
That is why its share price is down. Not as simple as not growing enough but being more exposed to risk as people go to clouds and MS having much less assets as they still have not recovered to pay its dividends no matter what the market is.
Offices still use 10 year old IE 6, XP, and Office 2003 and refuse to upgrade.
MS once had a sizeable portition of the PDA/Smart phone market with Windows CE. They now own 2%! Bing is lossing billions every year. XBOX just broke even 10 years after release and billions thrown in, and Vista. Worse MS bought marketing securities as its assets (stocks of other companies) which tanked in 2009 that hurt Microsofts stock price, in which Wall Street looks at liquidity and $ in assets.
Right now Microsoft is doing a turn around and making the right decisions. Bill Gates is the one who did the focus on Windows 8 Metro/WP7 UI after seeing the IPhone and panicking that MS was about to lose their beloved tablets to the IPAD. Windows 7 is a decent OS that businesses are just finally begining to adopt. IE 9/10 actually do not suck and MS is doing a total turn around and supporting open standards such as HTML 5 and leaving their crappy silverlight and IE 6/7 proprietary things behind.
I believe in 2-3 years MS will be making more profits as XBox is now making money, Windows Phone will increase in popularity as it actually is good (no I am not trolling here as it is a rewrite), and Bing is starting to see some revenue and traction, and businesses are finally upgrading and using sharepoint or will soon switch to it.
MS fucked up with bad project managers and infighting and it showed. The 2000's were terrible and stagnated after XP, IE 6, XBOX 1 as they had no vision. I do not know how much of it was Balmer hiring the right executives or Bill Gates advising him and the board on where to lead the company. If it was Bill Gates ideas that saved it then Balmer should step down.
It doesn't matter how much a company makes.
Here is what I learned in Finance 101. The goal of any company is to raise the share price and not make money. Investors look for things like insane liquidity ratios. This means assets that you can sell quickly to make money. Having more cash, very sellable assets, and other things to raise cash just in case they do not perform well in the next quarter.
Sure your company is making money now but can you make even more money next quarter? That is the question and selling stuff very quickly reassures the investors the stock price will continue to go up. MS pretty much had so much liquid a decade ago that they bought stocks of other companies. The problem is when the great recession hit they tanked and they were no longer liquid at the price MS paid for them. Even with sales increases it is hard.
That would devalue the stock more.
If MS bought some of its own shares that would limit supply and increase its price.
Know your history.
The south is hardcore republican today and very conservative. LBJ did not gain power. He lost it forever in the south and even quoted "I just lost the south forever!" when signing the 1964 civil rights act. He split the democratic party as a result and southern dixiecrats who were racist became republicans when Nixon came around. The only reason they werent republican is that they did not want to be associated with the party of Lincoln which offended southerns still from the Civil War.
Jesse Helms and many others who were the far right and supported the states rights party were all conservative democrats and became republican thanks to LJB spliting it. This proves that parties do change from within.
Steve Jobs wouldn't certify flash/flex on the IPhone. That is why
HTML 5 is browser agnostic. IE 10, Chrome, and FF render about the same in most areas. It will improve more as browsers get more updated and even MS is now putting IE on a annual upgrade cycle. This should ellivate any fears from corporations who bought into shitty IE 6 intranet tools. Corporations would love this and not ever having to be held hostage by obsolete browsers and operating systems.
An IE 10 intranet site in HTML 5 will work in IE 12 and even IE 17.
The issue is old IE might prevent this or those who just upgraded to IE 8/Win 7. These same corporations who still used IE 6 last year who just blew $2 million on an internet upgrade for now an IE 8 specific intranet site will not upgrade to IE 10 and scream MURDER WE JUST UPGRADED and continue to use it until 2019 when support for Windows 7 expires and IE 17 is out. Lets hope people leave IE 8 behind as it is a catch 22 with web developers that wont utilize HTML 5 unless html 4 browsers drop below 10% usage.
I sense fear in Adobe. They want a piece of the mobile action and are left out. HTML 5 is terrible for Adobe as it opens it up to competition and they do not control it. Microsoft in the past won by controlling standards but even they are warming up to HTML 5 to catch up with IOS.
So they figured they still have name recognition and maybe if they retool their products they can continue their monopoly on design software to prevent anyone else from coming in and being the next Adobe with HTML 5. But still that is pretty paranoid thinking on their part.
With IE 8 sticking around for quite awhile due to corporations using what comes on the CD with Windows 7, flash wont go away. Many webmasters would love to switch to HTML 5 but do not want to leave these users out. We will see what happens in 2 years from now if corporations start upgrading their browsers more or they will fight tooth and nail to make IE 8, the next IE 6 and do a 10 year browser upgrade cycle.
Java applets are what Andriod apps are. It was ahead of its time and you are correct.
HTML 5 is good and MS owns 2% of the smartphone market so they can't dominate like they used too. True you need some glue to turn your web app into a full featured applet, but that should be easy if it is html 5 based. The standard has an api for speech, Input/outut, worker threads, and even a web database api. The more logic that goes into the standard, the easier it is for you to port.
Much easier to port your app to all 3 mobile platforms than in the past where you written a proprietary desktop app that would require a complete rewrite for each platform. That is how Windows won.
Oddly MS traditionally would be favoring silverlight and shunning HTML 5 as it would make things easier to port and that is something Bill Gates would not approve of if he were still CEO. Apple opened a can of worms with HTML 5 with the IPhone that is good for us but bad for them as they had a monopoly almost before Andriod.
Now with HTML5 becoming the the preferred nuisance apparatus, can we create something to block them browser side?
"
Would you prefer to create crappy wrong box model driven IE 6 code instead with flash to hide its inadequacies instead?
Go spend 1 day supporting old IE and the bunches of incompatible implementations of CSS 1,2,3 and HTML 4 madness with all versions of IE and other browsers? Having Microsoft and Adobe switch to open standards is a GODSEND for any serious webmaster.
IE 10, Chrome, and Firefox will finally render about the same and we can have the same experience on an IPhone than we can with intranet and internet sites and leave the crappy HTML 4 skins behind. Everything will just work like it was intended 15 years ago.
If you do not like it go use IE 8. Corporations will probably use it for 10 years like they did with IE 6 anyway and you can live in the past all you like. The rest of us will make awesome applets that run across any platform.
I find your comment racist.
They are attracted to the democratic party as southern states would not and even violently opposed having blacks register to vote. The democratic party gave them that right and it is not about welfare or socialism but the result of LBJ defending them and letting them have a voice. Why is that a bad thing?
The fact that black conservatives exist show they are not all liberal, but they do owe it to LBJ and the civil rights movement to be who they are today and be part of politics.
I do agree with the 6:1 ratio.
However, in Alabama crops are rotting after the state booted illegal aliens. With an unemployment rate of 11% people should be lining up to do the work. I was in favor of this as I thought it would lower the unemployment rate. However, I was sadly proved wrong by the conservatives who said we needed more aliens as Americans were lazy :-(
Sure they only pay $10 an hour, but I did hard work before doing manual labor. It sucks but if you have student loans you need to do it. My prediction is when Alabama reverses its role the citizens living off unemployment will have their benefits expire and be freaking out and crying foul when the same farmers laugh at them when they are starving and need work. They had their chance etc ...
Not everyone can get good jobs but there are plenty of jobs at McDonalds and gas stations taht can't be filled. Many employers are complaining they can't find enough qualified candidates even today. People had inflated salaries like their inflated home values. People readjusted their home values to sell and people need to do the same with their wages and accept less. Globalization is here and has lowered wages significantly.
You can help yourself a lot more doing that then nothing
Look up history? The democratic party was very conservative while the radical republicans were far to the left and liberal. It changed.
Why? People registered to vote and change parties from within. The democratic party was racist too in the early 1960s and blacks took it over and now they represent human rights.
Corporations hold too much power but if enough people get together and vote in primaries like the Tea Party does results will happen. The majority of Americans hate this and the house has a 9% approval rating! While most of us oppose OWS they surely would not cleaning house and having reforms. It is ripe and the OWS have a choice. Either to sit in tents and not do anything, or be active.
The religious right did it and owned the republican party even though Carter was the Christian and now the Tea Party is calling the shots. People make changes in democracies and this is true in corrupt ones as well.
If they want to really make a point they need to go door to door and register to vote and become politically active and occupy Washington DC for a day or two.
Civil Disobedience is an option when you have no power, like being black pre 1964 civil rights act, living in British controlled India, or under an Egyptian dictatorship where you have no power to vote or expression.
They accomplish nothing but their own missery and even peril by not being responsible and working or looking for work,
The Tea Party was right leaning, but Sarah Palin give them a speech. So whose it going to be? Democrat or Republican to help your vision? They chose to register and work inside the republican party organized.
These protestors might be liberal oriented but they are not organized in the democratic party. SOme might even be liberatarians. The Tea Party is what kicked 3 senators out. The last one in Alaska had to re-register as an independent and then change back to a republican. I lived in Alaska at the time and I thought that was crazy but the Tea Party fringe ones are just too extreme.
They have been whining for months too. To top it off Foxnews reported they and local businesses held a counter protest and marched to the mayors office on Sunday. The mayor simply responded to their request today.
In Utah and Portland I read the cities put up baracades claiming it is was to fix the parks. IN the chaos the protestors wont know where to protest and the hope is it will disabanded.
This is not a Vietnam style protest at all. Those had tens of thousands of people. In my city of Tampa, there are a full 21 people ... whoa wahoo...
New York has maybe 100 staying out of 14 million people who live there. In the 1960s students were being killed, the media was lying, tens of thousands protested and took over Berkeley. Students were beaten with batons. Not even in the same scale.
The baby boomers had a stronger work ethic too since their parents grew up in the great depression. They worked and protested when not at work. These kids even admitted on TV that they had crappy jobs so they want to stay here instead and then wonder why they can't pay their loans because they are not working and expect us to bail them out.
FYI I support protesting and taking corruption out of politics and protesting. However, I would rather apply for jobs and be responsible than to sit in a tent and whine in the cold. That does not help myself and the students in the 1960s were smart enough to realize this.
Occupying is not a peaceful protest. They are living in an illegal space and not protesting. I think they forgot this part.
They are protected to protest as long as they want but not sleep, deface, or occupy public property. That is not a right.
No issue. They do not own the land. I spoke with a lady this weekend from the movement and it turned into an argument. Yes, it is public, but there is a reason we have houses. We own them and have no rights under the 4th amendment for property.
It is publically owned, but the public has to vote to let someone use it. they are not 100% of the public as homeless people can not sleep legally at any public place in Las Vegas or Los Angeles. Same principle.
You can be searched because you are breaking the law and you do not own the land. I can bet the mayor did get a judges permit anyway to be clean. A tent is not a home or a dwelling so they can do this.
While I do agree that the world is not fair and people have a right to be upset and fearful of a 2nd crash with this dangerous flash trading and debt created by the rich, I do feel these protestors are morons.
Not all of course as I would want to protest for a few hours. However, occupying a public space, supporting socialism, and refusing to get jobs or at least look and just whine out in the cold in a tent is not very smart at all. What do they expect? A trader walking past says, oh poor fellows. Let me tell the CEO of Goldman Sachs to disaband and give all our money back to the people and hire these people to watch other peole do jobs. Shame on us ... YEAH RIGHT!
Start a political party, organize voters house to house, go get a mcJob to start paying down the student loan debts you agreed to pay for (I don't care if it is a 40k a year job starting out), and so on. Doing these things might not get you as successful as the those over 34 or your parents, but it is better than whinning and you can start to do something about it. The Tea Party was smart and taken over the republican party. That is why there was no compromise on the debt ceiling a .001% tax increase will give a (R) a one way ticket out of office from the Tea Party. OWS needs to do the same.
Defacing property with no message is wrong. If anything many support the tentants of communism and socialism that I find a problem rather than a solution.
They can be tracked complete with GPS and can be used to record sensitive information.
I have been reading Al Jazeera with the news of Libya last summer and cell phones were a problem. Basically loyalist spies would txt the GPS specs to Loyalists in Walid and Sirte, and whenever they went in the enemy was already there ambusing the rebels.
Even not I wonder how easy it is to hack them. China has a keen interest and have the best hacking elite group in the world that have inflitrated Los Almos and even satelites.
With Army equipment you know who made it and the ins and outs compared to a cell phone with knows what abilities it has obscured away.