Maybe you are in the minority. I am broke and millions of others are too and would be sweating bullets if I blew $100 so carelessly.
Not everyone is a nerd. Even so I do wonder how reliable the cyanogen modded HP Pad would run Android? Sure you can get MacOSX to run a Dell 9 mini but it is not a reliable nor pleasant experience.
The CEO of HP is an idiot. The more money he losses the more the board of directors will want to kick him out and replace him with a CEO actually aliagned with HPs assets and image rather than trying to turn a non service company into a SAP. They would probably have better luck hiring a Bryers CEO to make HP into an ice cream company
HP is not IBM by any sense of the means. Let em croak.
10 years ago IE was certainly a leader as it was the better browser over Netscape. Even on slashdot in those days I remember reading posts from IE users stating that Netscape 5.0 and Mozilla 1.0 were disasters and that IE is simply better.
Its history shows it was crap than good, then quickly went to bad, and now is catching up and becoming ok to even good again. IE won because Firefox came out 6 years after MS threw in the towel and gave up major development so they could focus on proprietary win32 client/server app tools again. IE 7 (6 years after IE 6) was just a minor update and still didn't support 1998 standards for CSS all the way.
IE 8 changed that as Firefox caught on. It is an ok mediocre browser that with updates is less buggy but adaquite for business. IE 9 I would say is good and it handles scrolling and flash rendering better than any browser out there today if you have a good GPU. Try it yourself? Google Images are fluid when I hit the up and down arrow keys on my system with an ATI 5750. Chrome is flickery.
IE 10 by Christmas will certainly be a major contender again. The thing is IE is competive when MS wants it to be. This time around I think it will stay that way and be a leading browser in innovation as they want Windows 8 ARM to compete badly with the IPAD. Good HTML 5 support is needed.
With Firefox being so horrible, I do not mind having IE better for folks like myself who can't stand the Chrome UI.
The moral issue I have with this reasoning is it is no longer an investment at this point but rather gambling.
If I handed you some monopoly money from the board game for $100 and told you its ok. John down the street might pay you $120 for that so I would keep it. Meanwhile I pocket the change.
Stocks without dividends are technical worthless pieces of paper with a company name printed on it. Who cares how much money that company makes as long as someone else might think it would be worth more. This is also called a pyramid or Ponzi pyramid scheme. Yes, the company generates revenue but you never see it.
It is akin to you and me going into business together where I take all the cash and give you nothing.
In a perfect world, it would be law to require companies pay dividends. This would eliminate volatility and encourage Wall Street to think more long term. It would make the economy healthier as many Grandmas have retirement accounts with these sharks that do not pay dividends at all.
A good CEO is the best worker, accountant, lawyer, marketing, analysts, and so on at the company. He needs to know the job functions better than anyone else in order to do his job effectively to deserve that big salary. He manages them after all. If you can't do the other job you have no business managing them.
If you took a CEO job with a nice big office far seperated from the peons below how would you know how the company works? How would you know what the customer wants? Bad companies die slowly from the bottom up by stupid polices from the top where people are clueless to what is required.
One episode the CEO blamed the low share price on bad employees at the assembly lines being unproductive. The cost accountant who never worked there said so. He did it and couldn't even pee on the job as the extreme pressures were rediculous and widgets were being thrown at full speed left and right. Good employees were quiting. The CEO learned that the process was flawed only after doing it and decided to hire more workers as the real losses were exhaustion slowing productivity and low pay through excessive cost cutting.
Not all CEOs give a rats ass. But a good one would certainly want to know what is going on as ass kickers and brown nosers surround you at that level and blow smoke up your ass all day.
Steve Jobs is a good one because he is involved at many layers underneath as he micro manages details and works with cost accountants rather than having them direct product development decisions.
Ironically, Carly Fiorina was quick to defend CEO salaries saying they are all worth every penny because the job is unstable to this economy compared to other workers.... the other workers were the tens of thousands she laid off who got the boot and no bonus.
Can you say hipocrite. I hate Nancy Pelosi with a passion, but I did not want this woman to win. If she is that ruthless and irresponsible with other peoples money invested in HP, god help us having her in charge of tax payer money as well.
She is all image with a super stroke ego of power.
This is slashdot. They will acknowledge it even exists except at work as a silly PHB browser that they need to support.
I have been flamed and modded down before when mentioning poor rendering performance of Chrome vs IE 9 on a decent GPU. The fact of the matter is IE 9 won Flash and HTML 5 rendering speeds. Sure Chrome loads faster but, try to go to www.msnb.com or Google Images and hit the up and down arrow keys with all 3 browsers?
If you own a Nvida 8600/ATI 2500HD or higher you will see IE 9 smooth with only a little flickering. Firefox is ok but very slow. Chrome is choppy and flickers like mad. On slashdot I can not even read the comments scrolling up and down with Chrome.
On my old laptop they perform about the same but that is because it has an ATI x1200 2007 era.
IE 9 also won ram usage with lots of tabs opened too. Chrome is better but still can take gigs of ram if you open 40 tabs and leave it on for a day or two. IE 9 has selective Javascript blockers too and xss eliminating noScript for most uses... something most slashdotters whine about and ignore this.
IE brings back bad memories and I do not blame people for shuddering it. It was a decent browser 10 years ago when IE 6 was new as I remember many slashdotters saying they couldn't stand Mozilla/Netscape and that IE was good. It went to hell for 9 years as MS secretly hated it and wanted to return to kill the web and go back to client/server Win32 aps. But MS is coming back out and embracing it now as they realize they have no choice. It will take years to get rid of IE's tarnished image even if it is a decent browser today and is certainly modern again. It is not IE 6 or IE 7 anymore.
"Chrome just has terrible page rendering performance. Firefox scrolls so much smoother."
Want an even bigger surprise? Use IE 9 and then scroll and see how smooth it is? IE 9 has Chrome and Firefox beat with GPU accelerating browsing and these benchmarks only focused on load time and not the actual experience of rendering.
On my 3 year old laptop IE 9 is not that much better, but my desktop has an ATI 5750 GPU and I noticed the difference./.ers typically ignore anything IE these days and pretend it doesnt exist.
"Does anyone else see this as a giant security hole? As in, various schemes like this have been tried since the days of ActiveX, and the only reason ActiveX has the worst reputation is because it's the only one that gained widespread use? "
I couldn't agree with you more. IE 5 and IE 6 are the staple of proper security and good coding practices. Nevermind it let any ActiveX applet run automatically with full administrator access by simply browsing a page. I am sure its those evil hackers just targeting what everyone uses. Just like now with correct settings that hackers magically access IE 8 or IE 9 activeX controls by magic simply because more people run IE than any other browser.
Oh and to top if off after rereading your post... dividends were taught as bad as that money is needed for liquidity to boast its share price. He also taught going in debt is a great thing as it gives great leverage. This I disagreed with as many companies got burned as this induced risk and no leverage if a recession hits.
These are taught today to young accountants and business students and believe me they have taken this lesson to work and run some of these companies. If you have an issue with cost accounting is god then please stay private.
I did learn this in Finance 101. The guy who taught the course was a former CFO of 2 fortune 500 companies in his career. Infact, he even had that question on the exam as the most important concept in the course. He even had, to make money and of course it was a wrong answer if you selected it.
Most of it dealt with ways to increase the liquidity to boast the share price and by how much netvalue wise and so on. Only small business cares about money. HFT flash systems and day traders are the majority of shareholders. These systems make up 70% of all volume today. That is who the company is responsible too and large institutional investors only care about its price and how much it can go up by a quarterly basis. They do not care long term as they will dump the stock and invest in another quickly and so on.
I wish it was not true, but sadly it is today. Things have changed in 10 years and I trust my professor who has a former CFO. He was a tough teacher but, he drove a corvette and laid it like it is about the goal of any major corporation that is publically traded.
"Oh and what's with tech companies spending boat loads of money and then dropping the products? Is this a new fad?
Microsoft - Kin HP - WebOS/TouchPad Google - Slide
Really, none of them could think a year ahead?
"
Stock prices have taken a brutal beating this month thanks to the debt ceiling debate and huge pressure is on for companies to cut their expenses to raise their stock price. In finance 101, the goal of a company is always to increase its share price to make daytraders happy. It is never to make money.
This has been the trend for the last 15 years actually. The goal is always to think short term and cut as much expenses as you can. Also by going on a buying spree you raise the stock price as well.
Now Google is hiting its revenue ceiling as Baudu won in China, and their are maximized in the US and Europe so in order to keep its insane $300/share price it needs to cut costs by selling its assets and cutting expenses. In the case of HP, the CEO is retarded as he thinks HP can magically become SAP (his former employer) by just buying companies and rebranding them as HP service ones. Google is doing what it can to help the CEO keep his job.
Apple is the only one with brains left, but if push comes to shove and they maximize their revenue with the IPAD/IPhone/Macs they too will sell their assets and drop markets and lay off employees too.
Is it just me or does it seem like the lack of revenue growth has caused an increase in the amount of bean counters and cost accounting in order to better ballance its share price?
In Windows Vista and up you type. If anything I thought more DOS and Linux users would be happy as you can use Office 2007 ribbon and Windows 7 without a keyboard. Hit the Windows key and type whatever you want. I have not scrolled in 3 years. It is great. Need to find MSconfig on a client? Just hit the Windows key and type MS... and intellisence will do the rest for you.
In Office, hit alt and numbers and letters will appear on the ribbon to access them on the next keystroke.
Do that and after a week you never want to go back to XP again. It was that feature that finally won me over with the ribbon over the menus. When I go on an XP machine it drives me crazy to use the mouse at all to scroll.
Com/DCOM in activex are highly documented with source code available over MSDN. Sure it is not GNU, but it is still proprietary when other open standards exist like HTML 5
How is using Pepper different than ActiveX with Internet Explorer?
If you use pure html 5 with WebGL or Canvas 3D (for IE 9 or IE 10) you can create 3D games using the hosts GPU. Chrome's 3D and hardware acceleration for html 5 does lag considerable behind Firefox and IE 9/10. I wonder if it is because they want you to use Pepper instead?
Either way their actions go agaisn't the spirit of HTML 5. You can do all of that properly in the latest versions of the browsers that is cross platform.
"You would think that hackers might see there is no honor in hacking windows. " I don't know
I read a comment here from some guy named anonymous coward that stated Windows is just as secure as Unix and MacOSX and it is only hacked because more people use it. After all IE 6 and IE 7 are staples of good security and coding according to him. More people use it... thats it!
If I need to send an email to someone before they leave the office at 5pm I need to know what time it is by them. Isn't that the whole point of time zones? They were formed because of commerce and communication with the telegraph. Shipping was disasterous when trying to give ETAs.
It maybe only a number, but it is a number people all use at work and base it off of.
Now if it was a 4 or 5 with the eye near manhatten that would be very bad indeed.
The biggest threat with a 1-2 cat hurricane is flooding. NYC can be paralzyed by a big storm surge as the salt water would flow through its 7 layers and take out electricity, internet, phone, and subways for MONTHS. But a 4 foot surge wont do that by any sense of the means if it is barely a 1 and the winds will be blowing the water away from Manhatten on the left side of the eye. The right side of the eye has wind blowing up and that is on the tip of Long Island.
Huge flooding from saturated grounds in New England is what this will cause and yes it will suck. But it is not a Katrina by FAR. With that monster 5 storm we had 15 feet tidal surges and a city with an undersea altitude.
From what I have seen is the tile interface is akin to the log in screen. You open the areo Windows 7 desktop to use Office and do work stuff. So in essence both interfaces are used which is an interesting twist. The betas out only have the Windows 7 aero interface as the tile is still being developed.
As long as you can choose I think that is fine. The tile interface might be sweet on tiny netbooks and pads or to check the weather or email before you open the regular desktop for work.
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Maybe you are in the minority. I am broke and millions of others are too and would be sweating bullets if I blew $100 so carelessly.
Not everyone is a nerd. Even so I do wonder how reliable the cyanogen modded HP Pad would run Android? Sure you can get MacOSX to run a Dell 9 mini but it is not a reliable nor pleasant experience.
The CEO of HP is an idiot. The more money he losses the more the board of directors will want to kick him out and replace him with a CEO actually aliagned with HPs assets and image rather than trying to turn a non service company into a SAP. They would probably have better luck hiring a Bryers CEO to make HP into an ice cream company
HP is not IBM by any sense of the means. Let em croak.
IE is interesting.
10 years ago IE was certainly a leader as it was the better browser over Netscape. Even on slashdot in those days I remember reading posts from IE users stating that Netscape 5.0 and Mozilla 1.0 were disasters and that IE is simply better.
Its history shows it was crap than good, then quickly went to bad, and now is catching up and becoming ok to even good again. IE won because Firefox came out 6 years after MS threw in the towel and gave up major development so they could focus on proprietary win32 client/server app tools again. IE 7 (6 years after IE 6) was just a minor update and still didn't support 1998 standards for CSS all the way.
IE 8 changed that as Firefox caught on. It is an ok mediocre browser that with updates is less buggy but adaquite for business. IE 9 I would say is good and it handles scrolling and flash rendering better than any browser out there today if you have a good GPU. Try it yourself? Google Images are fluid when I hit the up and down arrow keys on my system with an ATI 5750. Chrome is flickery.
IE 10 by Christmas will certainly be a major contender again. The thing is IE is competive when MS wants it to be. This time around I think it will stay that way and be a leading browser in innovation as they want Windows 8 ARM to compete badly with the IPAD. Good HTML 5 support is needed.
With Firefox being so horrible, I do not mind having IE better for folks like myself who can't stand the Chrome UI.
IE is better than Firefox today. It sucks a lot less. IE 6 is 10 years old and you should stop comparing Firefox to that like everyone else here.
Many companies are switching back to IE 7 and IE 8 from Firefox for good reason.
IE 9 is a great browser and is in the same league as Chrome again. Even IE 8 is ok.
The moral issue I have with this reasoning is it is no longer an investment at this point but rather gambling.
If I handed you some monopoly money from the board game for $100 and told you its ok. John down the street might pay you $120 for that so I would keep it. Meanwhile I pocket the change.
Stocks without dividends are technical worthless pieces of paper with a company name printed on it. Who cares how much money that company makes as long as someone else might think it would be worth more. This is also called a pyramid or Ponzi pyramid scheme. Yes, the company generates revenue but you never see it.
It is akin to you and me going into business together where I take all the cash and give you nothing.
In a perfect world, it would be law to require companies pay dividends. This would eliminate volatility and encourage Wall Street to think more long term. It would make the economy healthier as many Grandmas have retirement accounts with these sharks that do not pay dividends at all.
Actually, I do think the show is a great idea.
A good CEO is the best worker, accountant, lawyer, marketing, analysts, and so on at the company. He needs to know the job functions better than anyone else in order to do his job effectively to deserve that big salary. He manages them after all. If you can't do the other job you have no business managing them.
If you took a CEO job with a nice big office far seperated from the peons below how would you know how the company works? How would you know what the customer wants? Bad companies die slowly from the bottom up by stupid polices from the top where people are clueless to what is required.
One episode the CEO blamed the low share price on bad employees at the assembly lines being unproductive. The cost accountant who never worked there said so. He did it and couldn't even pee on the job as the extreme pressures were rediculous and widgets were being thrown at full speed left and right. Good employees were quiting. The CEO learned that the process was flawed only after doing it and decided to hire more workers as the real losses were exhaustion slowing productivity and low pay through excessive cost cutting.
Not all CEOs give a rats ass. But a good one would certainly want to know what is going on as ass kickers and brown nosers surround you at that level and blow smoke up your ass all day.
Steve Jobs is a good one because he is involved at many layers underneath as he micro manages details and works with cost accountants rather than having them direct product development decisions.
Ironically, Carly Fiorina was quick to defend CEO salaries saying they are all worth every penny because the job is unstable to this economy compared to other workers. ... the other workers were the tens of thousands she laid off who got the boot and no bonus.
Can you say hipocrite. I hate Nancy Pelosi with a passion, but I did not want this woman to win. If she is that ruthless and irresponsible with other peoples money invested in HP, god help us having her in charge of tax payer money as well.
She is all image with a super stroke ego of power.
This is slashdot. They will acknowledge it even exists except at work as a silly PHB browser that they need to support.
I have been flamed and modded down before when mentioning poor rendering performance of Chrome vs IE 9 on a decent GPU. The fact of the matter is IE 9 won Flash and HTML 5 rendering speeds. Sure Chrome loads faster but, try to go to www.msnb.com or Google Images and hit the up and down arrow keys with all 3 browsers?
If you own a Nvida 8600/ATI 2500HD or higher you will see IE 9 smooth with only a little flickering. Firefox is ok but very slow. Chrome is choppy and flickers like mad. On slashdot I can not even read the comments scrolling up and down with Chrome.
On my old laptop they perform about the same but that is because it has an ATI x1200 2007 era.
IE 9 also won ram usage with lots of tabs opened too. Chrome is better but still can take gigs of ram if you open 40 tabs and leave it on for a day or two. IE 9 has selective Javascript blockers too and xss eliminating noScript for most uses ... something most slashdotters whine about and ignore this.
IE brings back bad memories and I do not blame people for shuddering it. It was a decent browser 10 years ago when IE 6 was new as I remember many slashdotters saying they couldn't stand Mozilla/Netscape and that IE was good. It went to hell for 9 years as MS secretly hated it and wanted to return to kill the web and go back to client/server Win32 aps. But MS is coming back out and embracing it now as they realize they have no choice. It will take years to get rid of IE's tarnished image even if it is a decent browser today and is certainly modern again. It is not IE 6 or IE 7 anymore.
"Chrome just has terrible page rendering performance. Firefox scrolls so much smoother."
Want an even bigger surprise? Use IE 9 and then scroll and see how smooth it is? IE 9 has Chrome and Firefox beat with GPU accelerating browsing and these benchmarks only focused on load time and not the actual experience of rendering.
On my 3 year old laptop IE 9 is not that much better, but my desktop has an ATI 5750 GPU and I noticed the difference. /.ers typically ignore anything IE these days and pretend it doesnt exist.
"Does anyone else see this as a giant security hole? As in, various schemes like this have been tried since the days of ActiveX, and the only reason ActiveX has the worst reputation is because it's the only one that gained widespread use?
"
I couldn't agree with you more. IE 5 and IE 6 are the staple of proper security and good coding practices. Nevermind it let any ActiveX applet run automatically with full administrator access by simply browsing a page. I am sure its those evil hackers just targeting what everyone uses. Just like now with correct settings that hackers magically access IE 8 or IE 9 activeX controls by magic simply because more people run IE than any other browser.
This looks kind of like Little Big Planet for the PS3
"Fucking 10 minutes and 7 seconds until release. You are IT edging and you know it!
"
What!? The new version of Firefox is coming out next
Oh and to top if off after rereading your post ... dividends were taught as bad as that money is needed for liquidity to boast its share price. He also taught going in debt is a great thing as it gives great leverage. This I disagreed with as many companies got burned as this induced risk and no leverage if a recession hits.
These are taught today to young accountants and business students and believe me they have taken this lesson to work and run some of these companies. If you have an issue with cost accounting is god then please stay private.
LOL
I did learn this in Finance 101. The guy who taught the course was a former CFO of 2 fortune 500 companies in his career. Infact, he even had that question on the exam as the most important concept in the course. He even had, to make money and of course it was a wrong answer if you selected it.
Most of it dealt with ways to increase the liquidity to boast the share price and by how much netvalue wise and so on. Only small business cares about money. HFT flash systems and day traders are the majority of shareholders. These systems make up 70% of all volume today. That is who the company is responsible too and large institutional investors only care about its price and how much it can go up by a quarterly basis. They do not care long term as they will dump the stock and invest in another quickly and so on.
I wish it was not true, but sadly it is today. Things have changed in 10 years and I trust my professor who has a former CFO. He was a tough teacher but, he drove a corvette and laid it like it is about the goal of any major corporation that is publically traded.
"Oh and what's with tech companies spending boat loads of money and then dropping the products? Is this a new fad?
Microsoft - Kin
HP - WebOS/TouchPad
Google - Slide
Really, none of them could think a year ahead?
"
Stock prices have taken a brutal beating this month thanks to the debt ceiling debate and huge pressure is on for companies to cut their expenses to raise their stock price. In finance 101, the goal of a company is always to increase its share price to make daytraders happy. It is never to make money.
This has been the trend for the last 15 years actually. The goal is always to think short term and cut as much expenses as you can. Also by going on a buying spree you raise the stock price as well.
Now Google is hiting its revenue ceiling as Baudu won in China, and their are maximized in the US and Europe so in order to keep its insane $300/share price it needs to cut costs by selling its assets and cutting expenses. In the case of HP, the CEO is retarded as he thinks HP can magically become SAP (his former employer) by just buying companies and rebranding them as HP service ones. Google is doing what it can to help the CEO keep his job.
Apple is the only one with brains left, but if push comes to shove and they maximize their revenue with the IPAD/IPhone/Macs they too will sell their assets and drop markets and lay off employees too.
Is it just me or does it seem like the lack of revenue growth has caused an increase in the amount of bean counters and cost accounting in order to better ballance its share price?
No no
In Windows Vista and up you type. If anything I thought more DOS and Linux users would be happy as you can use Office 2007 ribbon and Windows 7 without a keyboard. Hit the Windows key and type whatever you want. I have not scrolled in 3 years. It is great. Need to find MSconfig on a client? Just hit the Windows key and type MS ... and intellisence will do the rest for you.
In Office, hit alt and numbers and letters will appear on the ribbon to access them on the next keystroke.
Do that and after a week you never want to go back to XP again. It was that feature that finally won me over with the ribbon over the menus. When I go on an XP machine it drives me crazy to use the mouse at all to scroll.
Com/DCOM in activex are highly documented with source code available over MSDN. Sure it is not GNU, but it is still proprietary when other open standards exist like HTML 5
How is using Pepper different than ActiveX with Internet Explorer?
If you use pure html 5 with WebGL or Canvas 3D (for IE 9 or IE 10) you can create 3D games using the hosts GPU. Chrome's 3D and hardware acceleration for html 5 does lag considerable behind Firefox and IE 9/10. I wonder if it is because they want you to use Pepper instead?
Either way their actions go agaisn't the spirit of HTML 5. You can do all of that properly in the latest versions of the browsers that is cross platform.
"You would think that hackers might see there is no honor in hacking windows.
"
I don't know
I read a comment here from some guy named anonymous coward that stated Windows is just as secure as Unix and MacOSX and it is only hacked because more people use it. After all IE 6 and IE 7 are staples of good security and coding according to him. More people use it ... thats it!
That happened to be the most disgusting troll link I have ever seen on slashdot. I couldn't watch the whole thing without gagging in my mouth.
I thought goatse.cx and http://www.clownsong.com/ were bad, but that is thee WORST
If I need to send an email to someone before they leave the office at 5pm I need to know what time it is by them. Isn't that the whole point of time zones? They were formed because of commerce and communication with the telegraph. Shipping was disasterous when trying to give ETAs.
It maybe only a number, but it is a number people all use at work and base it off of.
Sounds like it's time for a legacy fork for old machines. Or maybe just keeping old versions alive, the way Linux distros do with other libraries.
Or you can just run Debian Stable
Mod parent up!
Now if it was a 4 or 5 with the eye near manhatten that would be very bad indeed.
The biggest threat with a 1-2 cat hurricane is flooding. NYC can be paralzyed by a big storm surge as the salt water would flow through its 7 layers and take out electricity, internet, phone, and subways for MONTHS. But a 4 foot surge wont do that by any sense of the means if it is barely a 1 and the winds will be blowing the water away from Manhatten on the left side of the eye. The right side of the eye has wind blowing up and that is on the tip of Long Island.
Huge flooding from saturated grounds in New England is what this will cause and yes it will suck. But it is not a Katrina by FAR. With that monster 5 storm we had 15 feet tidal surges and a city with an undersea altitude.
From what I have seen is the tile interface is akin to the log in screen. You open the areo Windows 7 desktop to use Office and do work stuff. So in essence both interfaces are used which is an interesting twist. The betas out only have the Windows 7 aero interface as the tile is still being developed.
As long as you can choose I think that is fine. The tile interface might be sweet on tiny netbooks and pads or to check the weather or email before you open the regular desktop for work.