With everything going on they just take it up the ass and vote for the opposite party every 2 to 4 years who are sponsored by the same companies that are screwing them over time and time again. When the US hits austerity measures (artificially created I may add unlike Greece) I will bet you that no protests will ever come. People will simply starve to death who are out of work and people will just vent in forums like slashdot and CNN and wont do anything about it.
I knew this was going to happen. Hackers do more harm than good for the rest of us just because they want to stroke their egos.... of course the egos of executives at Hollywood need to be stroked to at our own expense.
I am just sick of it and people who do not think about the repurcusions of their sensless actions. I am not worried about the RIAA more than I am about the federal government getting involved with more acts to limit liberty and monitor all our data and put caps on our bandwidth so the NSA can monitor everything.
"their part would appear to be a natural winner for any system that wants to do GPU-bound stuff without an additional 80+ dollars worth of add on board"
That is not an option if you are buying a Windows 8 tablet next year or a netbook. This chip would take care of that as over half of new sales are notebook based now. If my desktop died I would consider a Llamo as a cheap way to run World of warcraft on a cheap laptop.
IE 9/Chrome 12 and Flash 10.3 will fly on this thing with hardware acceleration. Windows 8 metro will be fluid as well. It would really suck on a comparative Intel Atom as the tiles would become choppy fast when trying to pull a widget over a 1080 p HD video playing to send it to an applet for example.
I saw another benchmark compare it the Atom as it is the closest in price range for these. As you can tell it is not the fastest chip by any means nor does it have the best GPU as a dedicated gaming box. However, look at the benchmarks for the price you get? Not so bad for older games. An Intel Atom with Nvidia ION can't even run half of these games.
The bandwidth limitations will be further removed in future versions of Llano later this year as it will have its own memory controller that will not have the latency delay of waiting for the CPU one or somethign weird like that. The fact that the GPU is integrated gets rid of some of the latency and as you can see does quite well for like dirt cheap.
These processors are for tablets and netbooks running Windows 8 or browsing the web with the GPU taking part of the load. This is the first value oriented chip with decent graphics for people who want to play World of Warcraft and have a decent computing experience on youtube for like $499 or even $399. Most users run Office and browse the web and play Angry Birds. Flash 10.3, Firefox 4, and IE 9 or higher will run very well with Direct2D on these.
Before these systems costs more like $899 because of the added cost of a video card. I have a Phenom II 6 core, but it is under clocked at only 2.6 ghz. It is pretty snappy and I know it is not the fastest. But this is fine and much needed in the new age of graphics AJAX galore in UI design and video for entry level devices.
Hardware accelerated browsing for both IE 10 and flash 10.3 it will make up for the mediorcre CPU unlike the atom CPU netbooks. This is perfect for an entry level CPU for someone who just browses the web, plays Angry Birds, and runs Office (about 80% of users). This thing can run full 1080p HD video at 30 FPS easily with Flash 10.3 or higher.
However, you are running Ubuntu 10.10 with flash 10.0 with Firefox 3.6 you wont see any benefit because the tasks are not unloaded off to the CPU. Hopefully this will be fixed in future releases with better flash and more modern web browsers.
But if the Metro interface with all its color and eye candy is the new norm this moderately priced chip will due wonders offloading its GPU even if the benchmarks do not show it right away. The user experience will be better.
World of warcraft can finally run on a cheap integrated video now.:-)
In 2004 my cousin had malware that hid in the partition table and even a fresh format and windows reinstall could get rid of it. Only a good dos fdisk that deleted the table with a format and reinstallation. Today evil malware can hide in both the shadow volumes of restore points to reinstall themselves and avoid detection and also system recovery partitions so a fresh os reinstallation will reinstall the malware. Fun times
That's like hating on Windows 7 because you hated Windows Me. Kind of ridiculous. "
Both AOL and RealPlayer did the "Hey we are sorry! We are better now. Give us another chance" needless to say that didn't work out well with us. Many still cling to Ubuntu and hate Windows 7 because they are still mad at Windows ME and NT 4 server and remember the days of hell. I finally switched back to Windows full time and tried IE 9 out, when Ubuntu and Firefox kept pissing me off. It took years and I do not blame Mr. Yummy at all. The only reason I care about IE 10 is because I expect new users to come back after Firefox 5 from the office and I plan to open a business oriented website. IE unfortunately is going to become popular. I pray by next summer that IE 8 or later will be more than 85% of my users. I am contemplating even bother with IE 7 or earlier at all, as I would love to have HTML 5 effects for users who use a later browser. That might be an encouragement;-)
I read somewhere that Microsoft plans to update IE annually. If the browsers are better quality and actually implement standards properly it wont be as drastic an issue as the past. For example Chrome mainly just updates its Javascript and adds additional tags rather than implement the way old HTML 4.01 is rendered.
IE was low quality during 5.5 to 7. You could follow the standards and dumb race conditions would make certain elements load at different times and cause it to create a mess. To get around these required hacks that fucked up Firefox and others. Those days are gone... hopefully.
IE will have a strong resurgence thanks to Asa's big mouth with Firefox 5 from corporate America. We can only IE 10 and 11 break this. I am pleased to say with IE 9 in standards mode it does behave much more like Firefox or Chrome and supports HTML 5. Thank GOD.
Expact constant releases that hopefully wont break old sites written for IE 8 or later. At least with MS or even Chrome you can control the upgrades at work through policies so it is tollerable. HTML 5 is vastly different than the past and is exciting. It is a true platform that does more than just display cute text and pictures now and will be a force to wreckon with thanks to IPADs and smartphones.
I eat my words. Preview 1 scored lower than IE 9 (141) when I tested it a week ago. Better but still HTML 5 support is between Firefox 3.6 and 4. Still it is a vast improvement, and any work shifted to the GPU is important for the sub netbook and tablet market with the new CPU/GPU combos. Webworkers and more CSS 3D will surely help.
I was under the impression that IE 9 and higher does not need IE-hacks anymore, unless you set the doctype tag to imitate IE 6 or 7 compatibilitiy. You do not need that with IE 9. At least I didn't.
""It's better than a sharp stick in the eye, walking on hot coals and being eaten alive by a Burmese Python of unusual size... just.""... and that is more tollerable than Firefox 5 with lots of plugins.
According to www.html5test.com, the other preview is no better than IE 9. Not to say IE 9 is bad, it is just behind Chrome.
With the latest fallout from Firefox 5, I expect IE 10 to become quite popular and as much as we hate Microsoft here, I think the newest releases of IE 9 and IE 10 are tollerable and I may even say cool to develop with.... I feel I am trapped in the twilight zone for that last sentence.
I am hoping this will change, but IE is very conservative and only tends to support tags and CSS that are finalized to avoid incompatibilies. Part of me thinks this is a great idea, and part of me thinks it will always be 5 years behind as a result. Either way I would like to see HTML 5 forms, websprockets, and a few other things in IE 10.
Linux has seriously regressed over the past decade. I remember when Linux was a lite alternative to Windows 2000 and had power management in software that was orders of magnitude better.
Those days are long gone.
I am sick and tired of playing with releases of Ubuntu and Fedora hoping this one will truly be unique and beat Windows. Last March I switched back to Windows 7 as I do not have time to tinker and fool around with older releases of gnome to avoid unity/gnome-shell, and trying to enable hardware GPU accelerated web browsing experience. If you want it to perform as good as Windows, then just use Windows.
Because I do not want to pay for it. You think the shareholders are going to let them pay for it and not us? Yeah right .
So I invested a lot of money in student loans and want to make some money back now. Therefore you owe me money right?... frankly it is not your problem and likewise what Microsoft did to buy these patents is not my problem either.
Maybe service wouldn't cost $95 a month for one phone with a $400 price tag if these stupid trolls GO AWAY.
If you actually make a cool new invention you should have the right to enjoy the rewards on it. But software and parts is BS. You are patenting logic and math that is not inventable... correction should not be. Maybe if these companies move to India they no longer have to worry about patents anymore. Engineers here will be SOL, but if the subsidiary is in another country you do not have to worry about being sued.
I am sick and tired of this and something needs to be done.
Wow, that says a lot and explains a lot. Maybe he is defensive because he feels he is about to get canned? This would surely explain things and lets Mozilla does the right thing. Maybe someone else can save the project? Either way the damage maybe irreversible to those in the enterprise now as according to comments here and in ars technica show Chrome is now prefered if IE is hated in organizations.
The difference is 3.0 is not downloaded automatically to your mission critical RHES servers at work. I am in favor of changing it so software vendors can write better scripts to support whatever version. Distros... excluding Ubuntu... wont be using it for awhile, and enterprise ones like Redhat probably wont use it for 2 years at least.
But that is different. You can chose to patch at a high level with group policy objects controlled by a LAN admin. Google has seperate security patches versus full releases that are controllable remotely. HTML for Chrome 3 renders the same as Chrome 13. No difference, but added features. IE patches rarely break things.
IE right now looks like the best bet in such a situation as the name Microsoft carries weight.
I would also add, if Mozilla wants the web to move forward it is in their best interests to assist corporate users so we can leave outdated browsers behind. Chrome has such admin tools so you can go slow or have rapid releases like a home user. Both needs are met at the same time. It wont add support for your bug fixes in seperate pataches from your new feature patches and have them applable by a LAN Admin. It really is not.
Just do not be surprised to see your marketshare significantly drop. Please do not blame Google for Chrome. Blame Asa, and the man in the mirror for turning us regular users away as well from this. We will switch.
Their app for IE 6 probably works for IE 8 and they know it. Company whines please support IE 8. Contractor thinks... hmm free money. Sure... $300,000!! All they do is recertify and keep the change. Or they change two css elements and milk it.
Corporate clients see this and say screw you and keep IE 6. It is a bad mess out there. In the end emulators running beefy servers and dumb terminal software to execute IE 6 bugs decades from now may become the norm... shudder.
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That is a wipe in my book
"i just threw up in my mouth. that's worse than goatse"
No you ain't seen nothing lol.
That troll needs to be more original and yes that link is not work safe, but I find the reactions hysterical.
Don't we have DRM starting with Vista. I thought trusted computing was support to be out by now that included such a thing. Whatever happened to it?
Dude Americans do not care.
With everything going on they just take it up the ass and vote for the opposite party every 2 to 4 years who are sponsored by the same companies that are screwing them over time and time again. When the US hits austerity measures (artificially created I may add unlike Greece) I will bet you that no protests will ever come. People will simply starve to death who are out of work and people will just vent in forums like slashdot and CNN and wont do anything about it.
I knew this was going to happen. Hackers do more harm than good for the rest of us just because they want to stroke their egos. ... of course the egos of executives at Hollywood need to be stroked to at our own expense.
I am just sick of it and people who do not think about the repurcusions of their sensless actions. I am not worried about the RIAA more than I am about the federal government getting involved with more acts to limit liberty and monitor all our data and put caps on our bandwidth so the NSA can monitor everything.
"their part would appear to be a natural winner for any system that wants to do GPU-bound stuff without an additional 80+ dollars worth of add on board"
That is not an option if you are buying a Windows 8 tablet next year or a netbook. This chip would take care of that as over half of new sales are notebook based now. If my desktop died I would consider a Llamo as a cheap way to run World of warcraft on a cheap laptop.
IE 9/Chrome 12 and Flash 10.3 will fly on this thing with hardware acceleration. Windows 8 metro will be fluid as well. It would really suck on a comparative Intel Atom as the tiles would become choppy fast when trying to pull a widget over a 1080 p HD video playing to send it to an applet for example.
Here you go.
I saw another benchmark compare it the Atom as it is the closest in price range for these. As you can tell it is not the fastest chip by any means nor does it have the best GPU as a dedicated gaming box. However, look at the benchmarks for the price you get? Not so bad for older games. An Intel Atom with Nvidia ION can't even run half of these games.
The bandwidth limitations will be further removed in future versions of Llano later this year as it will have its own memory controller that will not have the latency delay of waiting for the CPU one or somethign weird like that. The fact that the GPU is integrated gets rid of some of the latency and as you can see does quite well for like dirt cheap.
These processors are for tablets and netbooks running Windows 8 or browsing the web with the GPU taking part of the load. This is the first value oriented chip with decent graphics for people who want to play World of Warcraft and have a decent computing experience on youtube for like $499 or even $399. Most users run Office and browse the web and play Angry Birds. Flash 10.3, Firefox 4, and IE 9 or higher will run very well with Direct2D on these.
Before these systems costs more like $899 because of the added cost of a video card. I have a Phenom II 6 core, but it is under clocked at only 2.6 ghz. It is pretty snappy and I know it is not the fastest. But this is fine and much needed in the new age of graphics AJAX galore in UI design and video for entry level devices.
Hardware accelerated browsing for both IE 10 and flash 10.3 it will make up for the mediorcre CPU unlike the atom CPU netbooks. This is perfect for an entry level CPU for someone who just browses the web, plays Angry Birds, and runs Office (about 80% of users). This thing can run full 1080p HD video at 30 FPS easily with Flash 10.3 or higher.
However, you are running Ubuntu 10.10 with flash 10.0 with Firefox 3.6 you wont see any benefit because the tasks are not unloaded off to the CPU. Hopefully this will be fixed in future releases with better flash and more modern web browsers.
But if the Metro interface with all its color and eye candy is the new norm this moderately priced chip will due wonders offloading its GPU even if the benchmarks do not show it right away. The user experience will be better.
World of warcraft can finally run on a cheap integrated video now. :-)
In 2004 my cousin had malware that hid in the partition table and even a fresh format and windows reinstall could get rid of it. Only a good dos fdisk that deleted the table with a format and reinstallation. Today evil malware can hide in both the shadow volumes of restore points to reinstall themselves and avoid detection and also system recovery partitions so a fresh os reinstallation will reinstall the malware. Fun times
"What does IE7 have to do with IE9?
That's like hating on Windows 7 because you hated Windows Me. Kind of ridiculous.
"
Both AOL and RealPlayer did the "Hey we are sorry! We are better now. Give us another chance" needless to say that didn't work out well with us. Many still cling to Ubuntu and hate Windows 7 because they are still mad at Windows ME and NT 4 server and remember the days of hell. I finally switched back to Windows full time and tried IE 9 out, when Ubuntu and Firefox kept pissing me off. It took years and I do not blame Mr. Yummy at all. The only reason I care about IE 10 is because I expect new users to come back after Firefox 5 from the office and I plan to open a business oriented website. IE unfortunately is going to become popular. I pray by next summer that IE 8 or later will be more than 85% of my users. I am contemplating even bother with IE 7 or earlier at all, as I would love to have HTML 5 effects for users who use a later browser. That might be an encouragement ;-)
I read somewhere that Microsoft plans to update IE annually. If the browsers are better quality and actually implement standards properly it wont be as drastic an issue as the past. For example Chrome mainly just updates its Javascript and adds additional tags rather than implement the way old HTML 4.01 is rendered.
IE was low quality during 5.5 to 7. You could follow the standards and dumb race conditions would make certain elements load at different times and cause it to create a mess. To get around these required hacks that fucked up Firefox and others. Those days are gone ... hopefully.
IE will have a strong resurgence thanks to Asa's big mouth with Firefox 5 from corporate America. We can only IE 10 and 11 break this. I am pleased to say with IE 9 in standards mode it does behave much more like Firefox or Chrome and supports HTML 5. Thank GOD.
Expact constant releases that hopefully wont break old sites written for IE 8 or later. At least with MS or even Chrome you can control the upgrades at work through policies so it is tollerable. HTML 5 is vastly different than the past and is exciting. It is a true platform that does more than just display cute text and pictures now and will be a force to wreckon with thanks to IPADs and smartphones.
I eat my words. Preview 1 scored lower than IE 9 (141) when I tested it a week ago. Better but still HTML 5 support is between Firefox 3.6 and 4. Still it is a vast improvement, and any work shifted to the GPU is important for the sub netbook and tablet market with the new CPU/GPU combos. Webworkers and more CSS 3D will surely help.
I was under the impression that IE 9 and higher does not need IE-hacks anymore, unless you set the doctype tag to imitate IE 6 or 7 compatibilitiy. You do not need that with IE 9. At least I didn't.
""It's better than a sharp stick in the eye, walking on hot coals and being eaten alive by a Burmese Python of unusual size ... just."" ... and that is more tollerable than Firefox 5 with lots of plugins.
According to www.html5test.com, the other preview is no better than IE 9. Not to say IE 9 is bad, it is just behind Chrome.
With the latest fallout from Firefox 5, I expect IE 10 to become quite popular and as much as we hate Microsoft here, I think the newest releases of IE 9 and IE 10 are tollerable and I may even say cool to develop with. ... I feel I am trapped in the twilight zone for that last sentence.
I am hoping this will change, but IE is very conservative and only tends to support tags and CSS that are finalized to avoid incompatibilies. Part of me thinks this is a great idea, and part of me thinks it will always be 5 years behind as a result. Either way I would like to see HTML 5 forms, websprockets, and a few other things in IE 10.
Linux has seriously regressed over the past decade. I remember when Linux was a lite alternative to Windows 2000 and had power management in software that was orders of magnitude better.
Those days are long gone.
I am sick and tired of playing with releases of Ubuntu and Fedora hoping this one will truly be unique and beat Windows. Last March I switched back to Windows 7 as I do not have time to tinker and fool around with older releases of gnome to avoid unity/gnome-shell, and trying to enable hardware GPU accelerated web browsing experience. If you want it to perform as good as Windows, then just use Windows.
... ducks
Gentleman there is always GNU/emacs.
"so why not make some of that money back? "
Because I do not want to pay for it. You think the shareholders are going to let them pay for it and not us? Yeah right .
So I invested a lot of money in student loans and want to make some money back now. Therefore you owe me money right? ... frankly it is not your problem and likewise what Microsoft did to buy these patents is not my problem either.
Maybe service wouldn't cost $95 a month for one phone with a $400 price tag if these stupid trolls GO AWAY.
If you actually make a cool new invention you should have the right to enjoy the rewards on it. But software and parts is BS. You are patenting logic and math that is not inventable ... correction should not be. Maybe if these companies move to India they no longer have to worry about patents anymore. Engineers here will be SOL, but if the subsidiary is in another country you do not have to worry about being sued.
I am sick and tired of this and something needs to be done.
"But Asa is the Firefox product manager"
Wow, that says a lot and explains a lot. Maybe he is defensive because he feels he is about to get canned? This would surely explain things and lets Mozilla does the right thing. Maybe someone else can save the project? Either way the damage maybe irreversible to those in the enterprise now as according to comments here and in ars technica show Chrome is now prefered if IE is hated in organizations.
The difference is 3.0 is not downloaded automatically to your mission critical RHES servers at work. I am in favor of changing it so software vendors can write better scripts to support whatever version. Distros ... excluding Ubuntu ... wont be using it for awhile, and enterprise ones like Redhat probably wont use it for 2 years at least.
But that is different. You can chose to patch at a high level with group policy objects controlled by a LAN admin. Google has seperate security patches versus full releases that are controllable remotely. HTML for Chrome 3 renders the same as Chrome 13. No difference, but added features. IE patches rarely break things.
IE right now looks like the best bet in such a situation as the name Microsoft carries weight.
I would also add, if Mozilla wants the web to move forward it is in their best interests to assist corporate users so we can leave outdated browsers behind. Chrome has such admin tools so you can go slow or have rapid releases like a home user. Both needs are met at the same time. It wont add support for your bug fixes in seperate pataches from your new feature patches and have them applable by a LAN Admin. It really is not.
Just do not be surprised to see your marketshare significantly drop. Please do not blame Google for Chrome. Blame Asa, and the man in the mirror for turning us regular users away as well from this. We will switch.
Blame greedy vendors too.
Their app for IE 6 probably works for IE 8 and they know it. Company whines please support IE 8. Contractor thinks ... hmm free money. Sure ... $300,000!! All they do is recertify and keep the change. Or they change two css elements and milk it.
Corporate clients see this and say screw you and keep IE 6. It is a bad mess out there. In the end emulators running beefy servers and dumb terminal software to execute IE 6 bugs decades from now may become the norm ... shudder.