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LulzSec, Anonymous Reason For PROTECT IP Act, Says RIAA

Dangerous_Minds writes "ZeroPaid is reporting that the RIAA is using the latest activities of hacktivists to bolster its claim that America needs the PROTECT IP Act, the act that would place a layer of censorship on the internet in the U.S."

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  1. al qaeda by Titan1080 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    please select the RIAA HQ as your next target.

    1. Re:al qaeda by blair1q · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why would they target an organization that is helping them towards their goal of making America so unlivable that the people will accept Sharia Law as a lateral move?

    2. Re:al qaeda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      please select the RIAA HQ as your next target.

      If they want to destroy America, that's the last thing they want to target.

    3. Re:al qaeda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      They obviously can't choose specific target to hack, they don't know shit. They just try common SQL injection test on sites, then try to map the databases of those with weak protection from nefarious input.

    4. Re:al qaeda by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Woosh to you, sir. The RIAA and other enemies of freedom look at LulzSec as worse than al quaida. As Mr. Leghorn says, "it's a joke, son." Peace on you, and lulz.

    5. Re:al qaeda by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why shoot your ally in the battle against liberty?

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    6. Re:al qaeda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this guy's first name Foghorn?

    7. Re:al qaeda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      LulzSec, like Alkaida, is a CIA creation. Both are excuses manufactured by the *ministry of truth*. Politics of fear at best.

    8. Re:al qaeda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need a search going.

    9. Re:al qaeda by symbolset · · Score: 2

      If they want America destroyed they need only leave us alone. We're doing fine at that without them.

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    10. Re:al qaeda by HappyPsycho · · Score: 1

      U talking about al qaeda or lulz? al qaeda seems very capable of picking their targets.

    11. Re:al qaeda by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Only on Slashdot could a comment implying Al Qaeda and the RIAA are allies be modded +5 Insightful.

      Melodrama much?

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    12. Re:al qaeda by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I'm surprised the RIAA didn't put out a press release saying "JAPANESE TSUNAMI reason for PROTECT IP Act". There's no depth these vultures won't sink to.

    13. Re:al qaeda by xnpu · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the most frightening to me is that even the Slashdot crowed misses the obvious. Connect the dots guys, please.

    14. Re:al qaeda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They took our music away, and all that was left was melodrama.

    15. Re:al qaeda by garaged · · Score: 1

      We need a car analogy here, but if you knew a little bit of Al Qaeda history you would know that they served a very similar proposit than RIAA is searching today

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    16. Re:al qaeda by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hey, I didn't start conflating "terrorist" with "people I don't like", that was the government's idea!

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    17. Re:al qaeda by nschubach · · Score: 1

      At least the Slashdot pidgeoned caught on.

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    18. Re:al qaeda by Lord_Breetai · · Score: 1

      It has already begun.

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    19. Re:al qaeda by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Ok, "ally" is a bit much, they're even less an ally of the RIAA than the USSR was to the USA in the 2nd world war. Maybe more like Germany and Japan, they had little sympathy for each other and if Germany had been the dominant imperial power in the far East, Japan would have been their enemy, they just happened to have the same enemy.

      Same shit here.

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    20. Re:al qaeda by MaDeR · · Score: 1

      This is not conflation. "People I don't like" is currently full and exact definition of word "terrorist", rendering this word useless (except propaganda purposes, of course, after all "jude" get out of fashion long ago, and "communist" does not have same ring anymore too).

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  2. I Think It's Time To Hack by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And expose the sordid details of RIAA exec's child prostitution activities on their Thailand "business trips".

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    1. Re:I Think It's Time To Hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I love the reasoning of why the Protect IP act is being pushed...make using stuff that's already been made against the law to use unless one is using it in accordance with an industry, and THEN people will stop using it because it will be against TWO laws. That'll work. Forget about the collateral damage to law abiding American citizens.

    2. Re:I Think It's Time To Hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The frist rule is blah blah blah. The second rule is the same as the first one about it is stated louder! That mean you are break both first rules.

      Make perfect sense...

    3. Re:I Think It's Time To Hack by symbolset · · Score: 1

      You're onto something here. Maybe it's time we got up close and personal with the individual folk behind these attacks on our rights. Task: Lookup domestic info and current locations of studio executives and politically evil "representatives", their spouses and offspring for tracking purposes. Look for avenues of humint and telint.

      Slashdot's not the right place for this so let's continue this discussion elsewhere.

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    4. Re:I Think It's Time To Hack by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      Spearfishing to "sting" them.

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    5. Re:I Think It's Time To Hack by tjonnyc999 · · Score: 1

      Electronic version of the John Bowman approach? (John Ross - "Unintended Consequences")

    6. Re:I Think It's Time To Hack by nagnamer · · Score: 1

      The frist rule is blah blah blah. The second rule is the same as the first one about it is stated louder! That mean you are break both first rules.

      Make perfect sense...

      You're correct about the first rule. I'm not sure about the second. And I think you're wrong about both. :D

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    7. Re:I Think It's Time To Hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And expose the sordid details of RIAA exec's child prostitution activities on their Thailand "business trips".

      I have been on that case. In order not to compromise the case and what data is held on RIAA servers, I have to keep my mouth shut and that of impending prosecutions against certain executives.

      What I can say is high level fraud. Financial corruption just like Enron, Madoff etc. Some Police/Politicians/Judges and District Attorneys are also being paid off. We have enough evidence to deliver an effective blow. Unlike others, the data will not be put on bit -torrent sites, however you should be able to follow the trial by the end of the year.

    8. Re:I Think It's Time To Hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's time to move the war offline. I'm talking about a car bomb in front of the RIAA building.

    9. Re:I Think It's Time To Hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you say this because? Do you have proof? An example? I searched for any kind of story about RIAA execs being involved in child prostitution and came up with nothing. Maybe it's there, but it would be helpful if you gave solid information on where your accusations are coming from. Have you ever been to Thailand? Do you know anything about Thailand? I understand it's the socially acceptable thing to parrot certain stereotypes like "all visitors to Thailand are child molesters", but at the same time if I wanted a bleeding heart opinion I'd read the Huffington post.

    10. Re:I Think It's Time To Hack by smelch · · Score: 1

      Yes! I'll bring the Guiness. But then what?

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    11. Re:I Think It's Time To Hack by nschubach · · Score: 1

      Hopefully it will include drinking... otherwise your task was a waste.

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  3. Of Course by wsxyz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It makes perfect sense to me, seeing as how it is a known fact that all members of Anonymous and Lulzsec are under the jurisdiction of U.S. Law.

    1. Re:Of Course by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First you get it into US law, then you convince the rest of the world to "harmonize" their laws. Almost a SOP for megacorps.

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    2. Re:Of Course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It makes perfect sense to me, seeing as how it is a known fact that all members of Anonymous and Lulzsec are under the jurisdiction of U.S. Law.

      Most developed countries have diplomatic relations and signed Treaties with the US which allow varying degrees of legal pressure or extradition. Just look at how Gary McKinnon was pursued for hacking US military sites even though he lived in the UK.

    3. Re:Of Course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, your tiny palm tree and grass hut and Xperion are belong to us. I make myself laugh here. That is all that matters. Screw your always down modding me and I can never read my comments on your site. Its a matter of record that is all. It goes into my world profile folder(GFY). I know some things. Sum 10 wong here.

    4. Re:Of Course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And if you don't "harmonize", the US will take away its FTA benefits!

      USA! USA! USA!

    5. Re:Of Course by symbolset · · Score: 2

      Do you hear the black helicopters outside? No, of course you don't. They're stealth helicopters. They're coming for YOU!

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    6. Re:Of Course by tjonnyc999 · · Score: 1

      Come on, this is the same bunch (lawmakers in general) that believes that stricter gun control will make criminals suddenly "straighten up and fly right" and not buy any more guns on the black market.

      Wishful thinking made flesh. That's the bitter reality of the legislative process in today's United States.

    7. Re:Of Course by tjonnyc999 · · Score: 1

      Lulz.

      Too bad I posted already, this is definitely a +1 Funny material. Anyone with mod points left?

    8. Re:Of Course by EvilAlphonso · · Score: 1

      You may want to read the leaked text of ACTA before accusing the AC of being a crackpot conspiracy theorist. Trade sanctions against countries that don't harmonize is one of the points of the treaty.

    9. Re:Of Course by nagnamer · · Score: 1

      Too bad I posted already, this is definitely a +1 Funny material. Anyone with mod points left?

      More like +5 Ignorant.

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    10. Re:Of Course by rich_hudds · · Score: 1

      It works in the rest of the world

    11. Re:Of Course by nagnamer · · Score: 1

      You may want to read the leaked text of ACTA

      And look forward to ACTB, the sequel, in which there are no more rules like in ACTA, only ad-hoc executive orders by the main protagonist.

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    12. Re:Of Course by nagnamer · · Score: 1

      Wishful thinking made flesh. That's the bitter reality of the legislative process in today's United States.

      Problem is that the said legislative process is a black market. Maybe if they used a normal process, it'd not be that bad.

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    13. Re:Of Course by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Sometimes it's the same thing. That's why "funny" is karma-neutral.

    14. Re:Of Course by smelch · · Score: 1

      No, the rest of the world isn't undergoing blackrification where the white women want to upset their racist fathers by dating a black man, thus causing white guys to act like black guys, who mostly are impoverished and therefore likely to commit violent crimes (out of desperation/anger/lack of options) which are glorified by the culture (because they get the women), spurred on by the original racism, and therefore intensified. It's a cultural thing.

      Ok, that was a joke but honestly more laws don't change criminal behavior. Change the culture to change the laws, don't change the laws to change the culture. Failure to understand this is our major flaw. People make the decision to kill people, that's the problem. The problem isn't that they have viable options for killing people. Since the US has a culture of some people thinking it is ok to kill other people, they want to be able to have guns to protect them from the murderers. If the culture were different, we wouldn't feel the need for guns, and would likely allow them to be more tightly controlled.

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  4. False Flag Reasoning. by allaunjsilverfox2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Obviously anyone here understands that the Protect Act has NOTHING to do with the stupidity that the RIAA is spewing. But let me restate it for those that don't understand. They are using recent events as a False Flag-like excuse. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/False_flag I am not claiming in any way, shape or form that they are responsible for said events. Merely that they are taking advantage of them in this way.

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    1. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by Titan1080 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Anonymous and Lulzsec and others aren't just fabricated excuses to allow the president to enable his internet kill switch.

    2. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not claiming in any way, shape or form that they are responsible for said events.

      Then it's not "False Flag" or even False Flag-like.

    3. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by allaunjsilverfox2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Political or religious ideologies will sometimes use false flag tactics. This can be done to discredit or implicate rival groups, create the appearance of enemies when none exist, or create the illusion of organized and directed opposition when in truth, the ideology is simply unpopular with society.

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    4. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was actually wondering why they didn't use Fukushima as an excuse to ask for some kind of law, but perhaps they got a little more wary now that a few judges noticed that their excuses aren't even close to resembling sanity.

      But this is at least somehow, in some way, .... oh hell, it's on the internet, what else needs to match?

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    5. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once again, I've been thinking this ever since this all started.

    6. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The false flag thing just doesn't hold up. The activities of the hackers don't really have any bearing on either the Protect Act or the Internet Kill Switch. Sure, they serve to spook the public about Internet security in general but they were already spooked.

      There's been Internet censorship legislation in the works ever since the web hit the big time. The fact that this event coincides with someone's agenda proves nothing.

      Is it really so hard to believe that this was all an ego trip by a bunch of misguided kids? If someone else was involved, out them and show me the evidence. I have no time for baseless conspiracy theories.

    7. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      I am not claiming in any way, shape or form that they are responsible for said events. Merely that they are taking advantage of them in this way.

      Are you or are you not putting forward the claim that lulzsec and anonymous are false-flag operations? You don't get to have it both ways.

      I find it amazing that people keep wanting to push around the "false flag" meme. Can't the RIAA simply be opportunistic parasites taking advantage of other's activities? You know. Like record executives.

    8. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by music65536 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree. False Flag is perhaps the most dangerous tactic of all. The government has unlimited pardons to do anything - while hiding it. Given a sufficiently hideous delivery, freedom fighters can be painted as Tin Foil Hats.

    9. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by allaunjsilverfox2 · · Score: 1

      I'm referring to the fact they are taking advantage of the fear of the public to push through their political ideology.

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    10. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by timeOday · · Score: 1

      I am not claiming in any way, shape or form that they are responsible for said events. Merely that they are taking advantage of them in this way.

      Oh, you mean a "true flag," otherwise known as a "reason" for doing something.

    11. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by allaunjsilverfox2 · · Score: 1

      I find your refusal to accept the provided definitions interesting. I can cite a false flag event similar to the one RIAA is using. The cold war was started because ideological claims of events that had no bearing on reality. There was no "reason" for the cold war to exist other than those in power feared outcomes that were contrary to their political beliefs. Now, If you continue to insist on a different definition, I'll accept that your opinion differs from mine. But the point still stands that a false flag can be purely political in nature.

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    12. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2

      As I noted, that's not "false flag." That's simply being opportunistic.

    13. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by hairyfeet · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Then that is NOT a false flag, but simply an excuse for ramming through an agenda. A false flag is something like 9/11, where you have someone in DC dumping AA stock more than 90 minutes BEFORE the first plane, how the entire MSM told us with a straight face there was nothing to keep an object the size of an airliner from hitting the Pentagon, when we all know DC has been armed to the teeth since the Cold War, or that there was not a single American military aircraft on the Eastern seaboard and not a single one could reach New York in under two hours. The only two logical conclusions is either a false flag or a military so damned incompetent that they couldn't tie their shoes, much less perform even standard military maneuvers. Since that level of inconsistence in performance is simply wholly unbelievable you are left with a single conclusion...false flag. Considering how much $$$ was made by corps like Haliburton, or how the guy that owned the towers suddenly doubled down on insurance for that SPECIFIC kind of attack? yeah bullshit, false flag.

      What we have here is a classic "wag the dog" where you use something completely unconnected to what you are trying to do to ram something through. Saudi terrorists attack New York? Blow up Iraq. What does one have to do with the other? Not a fucking thing except the first event was helpful in getting an agenda pushed.That is the difference my friend.

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    14. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      ego trip by a bunch of misguided kids

      Or a group of kids or adults with a different set of values and morals than other people.

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    15. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by timeOday · · Score: 1
      Here is the provided definition from your own link:

      "False flag (aka Black Flag) operations are covert operations designed to deceive the public in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by other entities."

      It means what it says, one party pretending to be another. And yet, the RIAA is not disguising itself here.

      Moreover, the RIAA's logic is basically correct: the only way to limit people from using the Internet to break laws would be for the government to have ultimate control. The Internet doesn't know whether a blob of data is national security secrets or kiddie porn or copyright violations or home movies of kittens; it's all the same. So they're trying to enlist other people who are their natural allies in trying to restrict the Internet. There is no question that doing so would benefit the RIAA's immediate interests.

      So let's dismiss the weak arguments and focus on the real issue: should narrow special interests trump those of the general public? I agree with most people here that we must be extremely careful and limited in doing that.

    16. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your so full of shit. Conspiracies need proof. The bigger the accusation the more proof you need to provide. All you are doing is publishing your theories as facts and then using those "facts" to manufacture conclusions. So adjust your tinfoil hat, take a deep breath, and shut the hell up unless you are prepared to produce hard evidence to back up your non-sense.

    17. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A false flag is something like 9/11...

      Thanks for showing us just how deep the rabbit hole goes.

      What we have here is a classic "wag the dog" where you use something completely unconnected to what you are trying to do to ram something through. Saudi terrorists attack New York? Blow up Iraq. What does one have to do with the other? Not a fucking thing except the first event was helpful in getting an agenda pushed.That is the difference my friend.

      No - Wag the Dog is when you generate an event to distract from another event. Have you actually seen the movie?

      I can see why people like to toss around phrases like "false flag" and "wag the dog". They're emotionally charged statements that invoke a lot of passion without much requirement to actually understand the concept, much less think about the application thereof. One can invoke "false flag" and get a lot of riders to jump on your bandwagon even though this situation has absolutely nothing to do with a "false flag" tactic. Kind of like what the RIAA is doing in invoking lulzsec, et al. Wait a second. I see what you did there...

    18. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by WorBlux · · Score: 1

      Because adding more regulations to what is already one of the most regulated industries in this country doesn't give them any additional control. They already have "authority" to take over in the case of nuclear accidents as well, so what really to they have to gain by making a big deal of this. No new plants are seriously being considered so traditional energy companies aren't concerned with trying to prevent competition.

    19. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by shentino · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The AA stocks being shorted just before 9/11 doesn't deserve an explanation nearly as much as the fact that the SEC and FBI did not investigate it.

    20. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by shentino · · Score: 1

      No it's NOT all the same.

      National security secrets, kiddie porn, and copyright violations are illegal. Home movies of kittens are not.

      And unless the feds have probable cause, they've got no business snooping the wires enough to find out which of the above my traffic is.

    21. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RIAA's logic is basically correct: the only way to limit people from using the Internet to break laws would be for the government to have ultimate control.

      That is false. One counterexample would be to repeal all laws that can be broken by people using the Internet.

    22. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It should be obvious to someone by now that these hackers' activities are tools in someone's hands. Testing waters and creating small chaos at different levels of security and truste, expecting to see the resultant changes to different important systems, caring nothing for the panic that has ensued. This is war.

    23. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What is truly insane and criminal ~and obscene is irradiation itself and the way these neutrons and other irradiated particles blast through ~living cells at an atomic level and take with them a portion of each atom or just disperse your electrons in all directions and you don't even have a choice. Suddenly you are defecating your liver from between your legs. No thanks, I like my atoms just the way they are. Ok, maybe some of them are a little screwy, but I'll still take them over a neutron puddle of pissed on pants strewn about to four corners of the planet.. What's that? Oh, I don't have a choice, thats right, I forgot..

    24. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by symbolset · · Score: 1

      Because adding more regulations to what is already one of the most regulated industries in this country doesn't give them any additional control. They already have "authority" to take over in the case of nuclear accidents as well, so what really to they have to gain by making a big deal of this. No new plants are seriously being considered so traditional energy companies aren't concerned with trying to prevent competition.

      Well maybe if you guys came up with a plan to dispose of the spent fuel from the reactors you wouldn't have this problem. One full reactor worth of spent fuel every 18 months is a serious accumulation over the span of the life of a nuclear plant - currently 60 years. That's 40 reactors worth of spent fuel per reactor, and even at half strength that's 20 reactors of spent fuel heat creation per reactor. Even selling the power generated by the spent fuel ponds is looking like an option now. At this point the spent fuel produces far more heat than the reactors do, or will soon. Eventually we reach the point where all of the energy produced by the reactor goes to cooling its spent fuel. Maybe level II plants can turn this cost into a profit center. The fuel is retired as "not commercially viable" long before it's done creating heat. There may be another option here.

      Storing spent fuel under the Missouri river should not be considered, even in the event of a thousand year flood. There is just too much downside risk. That river irrigates - or is tributary to the Mississippi river that irrigates - half of America's crops. If containment fails the fuel is washed into the river to be distributed across America's Heartland. If both containment and cooling fails for too long the overpacked spent fuel melts down and emits vast quantities of raidoactive iodine and cesium, among other things, into the river that grows our food. The contamination of croplands and the crops grown there would persist for hundreds of years as the radioactivity diminished. Experience has shown that if we allow a bet like that, we lose every time.

      If the downside risk is realized are we just going to accept the escalation of cancer rates and just pay for it out of Medicare, or we going to buy our crops abroad. Either is a disaster and the latter is likely not even possible as most of the world is currently not sufferring from an excess of food - which leads to a question. If they won't sell what we must have, do we take it by force? In the history of Man this question has only one answer: war.c

      If I had my 'druthers, I'druther it didn't come to that. We can avoid that by thinking ahead and doing good husbandry with our energy resources so we don't come to those dire straits - and being ready for those less wise by investing in the common defence so the idea of taking what we have is less palatable than taking what you must have from somebody else.

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    25. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by shvytejimas · · Score: 1

      No - "tail wagging the dog" is used when a minor or secondary part of something controlling the whole. The idiom for distracting attention is "Red herring" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

    26. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by hairyfeet · · Score: 0

      You want proof? One where I have YET to hear ANY even slightly plausible explanation? here goes...how does TWO airplanes take out THREE buildings WITHOUT one of the buildings falling on the other? You telling me a couple of pieces of burning plane are gonna knock down a 45 story building, which has been otherwise undamaged and therefor should have a completely functional sprinkler system? Oh and that the building in question just so happened to have ALL the papers with regards to the Worldcom investigation?

      I'm sorry but the whole thing stinks. Do I believe the president did it? No I do not. Do I believe that there are several multinationals that would think nothing of causing that amount of loss of life if it meant billions in profits? You betcha. The fact that NOBODY investigated such an obvious connection as shorting the stock of the company involved BEFORE anybody knew anything? Tell mes that someone high up WAS involved in it. Remember it doesn't take hundreds of people here, probably less than a dozen in key positions could have set the thing in motion.

      It reminds me of the video "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" which if you haven't seen it has one scene that says it all. As was SOP a SS agent gets ready to get on the back of the limo before the president is brought out. There you clearly see the chief on the ground order the guy off whom you actually see the guy pulled turn and say "What the fuck?" before being drug off to another assignment. It didn't take the entire SS agency, it only took one guy in charge of positioning to make sure the president didn't have adequate protection. The amount of money made by certain corps since 9/11 dwarfs what was made during the Vietnam war, and as we have seen everyone has a price.

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    27. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by nagnamer · · Score: 1

      Well maybe if you guys came up with a plan to dispose of the spent fuel from the reactors you wouldn't have this problem.

      I thought DU rounds were invented for this purpose...

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    28. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by nagnamer · · Score: 1

      Or a group of kids or adults with a different set of values and morals than other people.

      Are you talking about neocons?

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      Every harsh word you utter has the right address. It only sounds harsh because the one on the envelope is the wrong one.
    29. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by rich_hudds · · Score: 1

      What we have here is a classic "wag the dog" where you use something completely unconnected to what you are trying to do to ram something through. Saudi terrorists attack New York? Blow up Iraq. What does one have to do with the other? Not a fucking thing except the first event was helpful in getting an agenda pushed.That is the difference my friend.

      Well surely the first demonstrated that an Islamist terrorist group would happily kill as many people as they possibly could, unlike say the IRA or Basque terrorists which were seen as 'typical' in the past.

      That in turn led to a reassessment of the danger levels involved in having a rogue state with access to WMD being left in pace threatening the West. Iraq would quite possibly have given such a group some WMD if they could.

      You may not agree with the invasion but it definitely had a coherent logic to it.

    30. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by rich_hudds · · Score: 1

      The cold war was started because ideological claims of events that had no bearing on reality..

      Err, the cold war started because Russia controlled half of Europe and had an explicit commitment to expanding their regime throughout the World.

    31. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by oplaptoppert · · Score: 1
    32. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      You'd be better off responding to the parent about that. I'm simply quoting what their statement (and then disagreeing with it).

    33. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by rich_hudds · · Score: 1

      Yeah Sorry thought I had responded to the parent to be honest.

    34. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by WorBlux · · Score: 1

      There is a solution, switch plants over to the thorium cycle. There are far fewer and less toxic wastes produced. As for disposal, the fuel should either be re-processed or fritered (diluted, encased in glass, and then burried)

    35. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      No - "tail wagging the dog" is used when a minor or secondary part of something controlling the whole. The idiom for distracting attention is "Red herring" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

      A "red herring" and "wag the dog" can have very similar meanings. But they're not exclusive. The concept of a secondary part controlling the whole is what gives "wag the dog" meaning. But focusing on that is missing the significance of the concept. To "wag the dog" does, in fact, mean to create an event to distract from another event. The concept differs somewhat form a red herring in so far as it implies action while a red herring could be misinformation or undue attention to a minor detail.

      As it is, this story about the RIAA might be better described as a red herring; they're focusing attention on social deviants rather than the issue of copyright enforcement. If the RIAA were wagging the dog, they would be hiring someone to pose as social deviants to generate some news with the intent of drawing media attention away from stories that the RIAA's data on the impact of copyright infringement is largely manufactured.

    36. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

      Another vote here.. All this news about LulzSec and Anonymous (before the Wikileaks) ... stinks to high heaven with false flag bullshit.

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    37. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Did you mean vitrified rather than fritered? I only know this word after playing portal 2 and googling it, otherwise I would have no idea what it is called.

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    38. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by WorBlux · · Score: 1
      I guess so, but maybe the create a frit first?

      Frit is a ceramic composition that has been fused in a special fusing oven, quenched to form a glass, and granulated. Frits form an important part of the batches used in compounding enamels and ceramic glazes; the purpose of this pre-fusion is to render any soluble and/or toxic components insoluble by causing them to combine with silica and other added oxides.[1] However not all glass that is fused, and quenched in water is frit, as this method of cooling down very hot glass is widely used in glass manufacture."

    39. Re:False Flag Reasoning. by MaDeR · · Score: 1

      "WITHOUT one of the buildings falling on the other?"
      Explain why in this case one tower should fall ON another. Especially if hole is smacked right in middle.

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  5. It was inevitable.. by Ross+R.+Smith · · Score: 2

    The RIAA required a scapegoat and the Lulzsec/Anon attacks were just what they needed to push this crap.

    1. Re:It was inevitable.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The RIAA required a scapegoat and the Lulzsec/Anon attacks were just what they needed to push this crap.

      Annon attacks et al have been going on forever. Its the media hype that is just what they needed to push this crap.

    2. Re:It was inevitable.. by transami · · Score: 1

      Makes you wonder who is p(l)aying who?

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    3. Re:It was inevitable.. by cshark · · Score: 1

      Is it possible that this press release is a fake? A dupe? Evidence of an Anonymous attack on the RIAA?

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    4. Re:It was inevitable.. by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Annon attacks et al have been going on forever. Its the media hype that is just what they needed to push this crap.

      And where did the media companies get the media hype? It's the biggest fortuitous coincidence in history!

    5. Re:It was inevitable.. by Gripp · · Score: 2

      i think you missed something. hacking groups like this have been active for as long as it's been possible. so the question you should be asking is why is the media all of a sudden paying attention.

      i would be prone to say that it is because these hackers have been very vocal and begging for this attention. but that is actually not really new either. so something else seems to be going on. i suppose its the mixture of them being politically motivated and massively successful in their hacking efforts (sony, the CIA, FBI, various gov's, HBGary, etc) or, it is simply because it focuses on an already hot topic - how can the gov control the internet, and how can the users stop them.

      back to the direct point of the article; these attempts at our liberty are the very thing fueling this movement. i'm not sure the RIAA realizes what effects this may have. besides that, to me these hacks show that we CAN'T actually protect individuals from hackers via goverment policy - considering how we can't even manage protect individual sites - which would mean the crimes would still happen and the only thing left would be the side effect of " liberties lost. "
      which doesn't sound like a *solution* to me.

    6. Re:It was inevitable.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think the RIAA required a scapegoat?

  6. We need to stop these Nazis... by atari2600a · · Score: 1

    ...by signing into law the National Socialism Does All Possibilities (NSDAP) Act of 1933!

  7. Is this true of ProtectIP by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 2

    I've heard ProtectIP bans any site that links to copyrighted material.
    Is it true that ProtectIP could shut down every single forum on the Internet if they wished?
    Afterall, someone only needs to post a link to copyrighted material

    1. Re:Is this true of ProtectIP by monkyyy · · Score: 1

      or a link to a link of copyrighted material
      such as saying the word google

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    2. Re:Is this true of ProtectIP by arbiter1 · · Score: 2

      This act could be used to shutdown google, bing, yahoo, (insert any search engine here) since you type in a word it will come back with copyrighted material. heck even sites like cnn etc

    3. Re:Is this true of ProtectIP by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      LOL, since everything published is now under copyright, linking to anything violates the ProtectIP act! Google and Bing are the prime examples, they're violating slashdot's copyright by linking to it!

    4. Re:Is this true of ProtectIP by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But rest assured it won't. That would expose how flawed the law is. I didn't read it, but I am fairly sure there is some safeguard against someone just carpet bombing high profile sites with lawsuits, something like "has to be done by the rights owner". And of course they will not risk their precious tool.

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    5. Re:Is this true of ProtectIP by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I wrote my Senator again. I think everyone should write their senators who live in the US and explain it.

    6. Re:Is this true of ProtectIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Draw a stick figure.
      2. Send it to your friend.
      3. Your friend post it on Facebook.
      4. Demand Facebook remove the picture. (They won't do it)
      5. Try to shutdown Facebook by invoking the new cool law, hoping to finally kill that monster.
      6. Get dismissed as you are just a little guy and not a billion dollars corporation.

      Opps i am pretty sure there was a 'Profit!!!' step some where here...

      No need for any safeguards, law never worked for the individual citizen.

    7. Re:Is this true of ProtectIP by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That step would probably fit between 4 and 5. Though the profit is on FB's side.

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  8. Maybe it's time to tax the Internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you think about it, most of us pay a flat rate for cable television and receive a stream of content. The only difference between that and the Internet is that we can select the content we're interested in.

    The infrastructure is already in place to allow massive consumption of TV, movies, and music over the Internet -- the only part that's missing is the payment for the content. Instead of labeling people as pirates, building this massive apparatus for surveillance, punitively restricting access to a medium essential to most of our livelihoods, and chucking a whole new bunch of nonviolent offenders in jail... couldn't we just throw a modest surcharge on the Internet to compensate the content providers and let everything else work as it has?

    It just seems so much easier than pushing shit uphill as has been done to this point. Everybody uses the Internet, just about everybody will be an infringer if you count things like having RIAA music in the back of Youtube videos or streaming music from websites that haven't got full RIAA approval, so just throw a surcharge on the Internet bill and keep the courts at work on more important things.

    1. Re:Maybe it's time to tax the Internet. by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Where do I sign up for my check, I've produced content! ...Oh I see just for the megacorps then is it?

    2. Re:Maybe it's time to tax the Internet. by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 2

      I'd rather them just leave things alone and realize that it's pointless to pass these laws because they are likely easily abused and do no good.

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    3. Re:Maybe it's time to tax the Internet. by smelch · · Score: 1

      If all the stupid pirates would just STOP, it wouldn't be a problem. Forget the RIAA, forget the MPAA. See how long they last without internet exposure. See how many people give a crap about anybody they manufacture when nobody can hear their songs. These organizations don't serve a purpose. But pirates (hah, butt pirates) keep giving these people exposure, keeping the enemy alive while thinking they're fighting it. Don't pirate music, ignore it when it is copyright protected. See the rise of independent musicians smart enough to know they don't need some stupid organization controlling their content and stealing their money. If there is no piracy, there is no reason to attack the internet. If there is no exposure to RIAA musicians the RIAA will die. Exposure is their business. The same has always gone for DRM, whether on software, music or videos. Don't purchase it, period. Don't pirate it, period. If nobody wants DRMed media, , guess what. There is no reason to buy a law to protect it, and there is no reason to keep the DRM on it.

      Pirates cause their own problems and blame the RIAA. Every time somebody complains about the RIAA trying to control the internet, I want to scream at the pirates giving them the power and the reason.

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  9. Stupid works by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So the logic here is the same as it has been for every rights-compromising measure put forth so far this century; "[name of enemy] is going to cause massive amounts of economic/physical/spiritual damage unless [measure] is undertaken immediately. [measure] will of course restrict your rights, but it's all in the name of protecting something greater than you." Of course, that something invariably reduces to somebody else's profit, which is likely already happening at your expense, so why change the status quo now.

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    1. Re:Stupid works by hedwards · · Score: 2, Informative

      As long as there's a huge number of bumpkins that fall for it, why bother to stop?

    2. Re:Stupid works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I was starting to lose hope, but /.'ers do understand that they're getting screwed over.

      Thankyou very much for the clarification, now GET BACK TO WORK!!

  10. Greed = PROTECT IP = TOR by bsDaemon · · Score: 2

    The other day, after reading yet another news story about the censorship moves in Australia and more PROTECT IP stuff, I decided that it was time to try out configuring Privoxy to forward everything via SOCKS5 to Tor. I was expecting a much bigger performance hit than I actual did, though, which was a pleasant surprise. Sure, its annoying having to enter CAPTCHA tags for Google all the time, but that's really not that big of a hassle. For the less technical people, Vidalia + the Tor Button for Firefox are pretty much fool proof. Between advertisers, stories about repression of online descent in the middle east and asia, Facebook and Google tracking people all the damned time, etc, I think (or, at least, I would like to think) that it might only be a matter of time before more and more 'normal' people, even those who really, truely, have nothing to hide, start doing something similar.

    When Comcast starts filtering port 9050 like they do with 25, then we'll know we've pretty much lost the Internet once and for all. But hey, at least the Department of State supports Internet freedom in China, right? pffft.

    1. Re:Greed = PROTECT IP = TOR by Truekaiser · · Score: 1

      at&t already does similar. I have to use a vpn service to run something simple like a minecraft server. otherwise at&t's systems BLOCK it.

    2. Re:Greed = PROTECT IP = TOR by cjb658 · · Score: 1

      Tor I believe uses port 443 to communicate with relays. (At least there is an option to use it if the normal port is blocked.)

      9050 is just the port it listens to locally.

      Ironically (?), Tor receives a lot of funding from the US Government. They did a presentation at Defcon a couple years ago.

      Maybe by the time they figure out how to shut Tor down, we'll have developed wireless mesh networks.

    3. Re:Greed = PROTECT IP = TOR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I decided that it was time to try out configuring Privoxy to forward everything via SOCKS5 to Tor. I was expecting a much bigger performance hit than I actual did, though, which was a pleasant surprise. Sure, its annoying having to enter CAPTCHA tags for Google all the time, but that's really not that big of a hassle. For the less technical people, Vidalia + the Tor Button for Firefox are pretty much fool proof.

      Of course most of the TOR endpoints are under government control these days.. Have a look at the leaked LulzSec IRC chat logs... big OOPS.

    4. Re:Greed = PROTECT IP = TOR by Subratik · · Score: 1

      The other day, after reading yet another news story about the censorship moves in Australia and more PROTECT IP stuff, I decided that it was time to try out configuring Privoxy to forward everything via SOCKS5 to Tor. I was expecting a much bigger performance hit than I actual did, though, which was a pleasant surprise. Sure, its annoying having to enter CAPTCHA tags for Google all the time, but that's really not that big of a hassle. For the less technical people, Vidalia + the Tor Button for Firefox are pretty much fool proof. Between advertisers, stories about repression of online descent in the middle east and asia, Facebook and Google tracking people all the damned time, etc, I think (or, at least, I would like to think) that it might only be a matter of time before more and more 'normal' people, even those who really, truely, have nothing to hide, start doing something similar.

      When Comcast starts filtering port 9050 like they do with 25, then we'll know we've pretty much lost the Internet once and for all. But hey, at least the Department of State supports Internet freedom in China, right? pffft.

      Tor and Privoxy is not a guaranteed way to protect your anonymous behavior... just sayin' :)

  11. What do you mean "expose"? by IBitOBear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Their child prostitution is right out there leading their marketing pushes. Check out the "teen seen" music sources and Disney Channel fare. 13 year old girls in bustiers?

    MAFIAA is _proud_ of their rampant selling of child sex and sexuality to the public. That it is more "child porn" than direct prostitution is the only possible argument.

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    1. Re:What do you mean "expose"? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I highly doubt they're proud of it. After all, they can't monopolize and cash in on it, I kinda wonder why they didn't try to buy a law for it yet. I mean, there is a market for it, isn't there? And all that money going to someone without a cut for the MAFIAA, that can't be!

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    2. Re:What do you mean "expose"? by empty+mind · · Score: 2

      Have you seen South Park episode on Jonas Brothers? It's like you are talking about it. The episode was "The Ring", 13x1. Pretty funny.

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  12. The other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's more along the lines of... with the mis-deeds of the RIAA, the Protect IP act which has more potential for mis-use than real use (given how existing tools are already being more mis-used than used), with censorship appearing all over, because of these reasons we need Anonymous, Lulzsec or others like them.

    In short, we need a REAL free press.

    1. Re:The other way around by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Trouble is, the real free press would only be used to create more laws to shut them up. Like, say, THIS.

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  13. Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by mcgrew · · Score: 2

    Sony is a member of the RIAA, after all. I applaud LulzSec's actions (most of 'em, anyway) and urge them to keep up the good work.

    I was the "victim" of a group much like LulzSec before the turn of the century, and it was hilarious (to me, anyway) indeed. My site, the Springfield Fragfest, made fun of everybody (for the lulz before "lulz" was coined). I was kind of the Don Rickles of the Quake world -- I made fun of everybody, and everybody I made fun of became fans (well, almost everybody, some folks have no sense of humor). I'd have folks' pet shamblers pissing on the couch, Thresh taking speed, etc.

    There was a group much like LulzSec (for all I know it might have had some of the same members) that was in the nerd news, so I posted a bit about them accompanied by a photo of a group of Down's Syndrome kids as illustration.

    They broke into my host's servers and removed the <img> tag and photo... and left the text intact! I was honored as well as amused.

    But, you know, the people (and I use that term loosely) LulzSec are targeting have no sense of humor whatever. Again, guys, keep up the good work, and thanks for the lulz. I hope reports of LulSec's death are greatly exaggerated.

    1. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They aren't doing this for vengeance. They're a big business, spending money to make others lose money is not a good idea. LulzSec is nothing but an excuse to the public, their real goal is more control over the flux of information.

    2. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by Gripp · · Score: 1

      you give us one news story where any of the antisec movement has been geared for profit. one. pfft. and if by releasing everything to the general public as control of information, then yes, you are right there.
      to the OP good post. keep up supporting these guys. they are literally the only ones *actually* defending our freedom at this point.

    3. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I don't know why I'm responding to an AC sitting at a -1, but the image was one I uploaded to the host, and your reading skills are sorely lacking, son. The <img> TAG was removed as well as the image itself. As to "loneliness", I was married at the time, with plenty of meatspace friends, and two daughters that loved playing Quake on our home network with me (and usually kicking my ass at the game).

      Now go crawl back under your bridge, Mr. Sony executive. Or better yet, do the world a favor and shoot yourself. The world needs fewer RIAA shills.

    4. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by Dhalka226 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, because removing an image tag is roughly the same as posting peoples' login information, proprietary source code or a list of email addresses to a porn site and telling people to ridicule anybody they know on the list. Gosh dang kids these days just have no sense of humor.

    5. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by Foxhoundz · · Score: 2

      LulzSec is a criminal organization. They're certainly not in it for the "lulz" and they're certainly not doing it for some lofty philosophy. Seeing as they couldn't even access some of the databases of the sites they "hacked", it leads me to believe that they're just throwing every trick in the book on the most obscure sites they could find, hoping someone forgot to escape an SQL query here or there.

    6. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This poster is not genuine. It's a shill.

    7. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      If you would freely give your private information to a company that would deliberately install destructive rootkits on music CDs and remove a feature from a piece of hardware that you've already paid for, you deserve to have it exposed.

      What LulzSec did to Sony is what Sony did to thousands of innocent computer users. What they did removing OtherOS is like Ford coming to your house and removing the radio from your car after you already paid for the car. Trusting Sony with your private information is like handing your car keys to someone who just got a two dollar fine for multiple counts of grand theft auto.

      As to the banks, if someone went into a bank and took all the money when the bank had shut down the cameras and left all the doors and safes unlocked, would you give them a free pass? LulzSec didn't do any complex attacks that would take a security expert, any bright thirteen year old could have done it.

      The information LulzSec exposed was already in the hands of the commercial black hats. Your information was already compromised. They did you a service by letting you know your information was already compromised. The bad guys here are the organizations that had no respect whatever for your info (the banks, Sony, Arizona cops). LulzSec are the good guys. You're demonizing the wrong people.

    8. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      LulzSec is a criminal organization. They're certainly not in it for the "lulz"

      Then what, exactly, are they in it for? They're not selling the info they expose.

      it leads me to believe that they're just throwing every trick in the book on the most obscure sites they could find

      Are you on crack, son? Sony "obscure"? Bank of America "obscure"? WTF? And yes, they're not some uberh4xx0rz using arcane genius code to break in, and that's the whole point. What they're doing any bright twelve year old could do (and I suspect that most of them are, in fact, bright teenagers). The information they exposed was already in the hands of the real criminals, the commercial black hats. The criminals are going to do their best to not let anyone know their targets have been breached and are certainly not going public with them. The criminals are quietly breaking in, taking the info, and using it for identity theft and other frauds.

      Just because what LulzSec does is breaking the law doesn't make them a "criminal organization" any more than NORML is a criminal organization.

      If LulzSec is a criminal organization, than Sony became a criminal organization when they rooted thousands of internet-connected PCs with the XCP malware they deliberately put on music CDs they sold through commerical channels.

      Wake up and smell the bullshit, son. If you're not an employee or stockholder of one of the organizations LulzSec h4xx0red you're a fool who's been hoodwinked by them.

    9. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by Foxhoundz · · Score: 1

      "Just because what LulzSec does is breaking the law doesn't make them a "criminal organization" any more than NORML is a criminal organization."

      Then what are they? A collection of individuals with a specific purpose which happens to be illegal under the eyes of the law?

      "Are you on crack, son? Sony "obscure"? Bank of America "obscure"?"

      Yes. Obscure. These sites they attacked may have belonged to large corporations but they were obscure sites (mostly servers and websites located in other countries). Moreover, as I mentioned before, they couldn't manage to get access to the database of information on some of the sites they hacked (i.e. the U.S. Senate). So what do they do? They deface the home page. Yeah, they're real hackers.

      "If LulzSec is a criminal organization, than Sony became a criminal organization when they rooted thousands of internet-connected PCs with the XCP malware they deliberately put on music CDs they sold through commerical channels."

      Cool. Go sue them. It still doesn't justify what LulzSec is doing though.

    10. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Is NORML a criminal organization? Have you ever heard of "civil disobediance"? That's what these kids are doing.

      Google "Sony" or "Bank of America". If their sites are so obscure why are they the top listing? And how can any website belonging to a household name be obscure? Are you a global warming denier as well? You're using the same twisted logic and blindness. In fact, you sound like you're a shill for Sony, BoA, or the Arizone State Police; your arguments wouldn't sway a Down's Syndrome sufferer.

      I don't doubt that they're not real hackers -- real hackers write the code, not DL it from the internet. Their technical expertise has no point in the argument, so it appears your straw man is burning.

      And yeah, I'm going to sue a multibillion dollar corporation over the couple hundred bucks and an afternoon's work. Yeah, I'll really get satisfaction that way.

      If someone raped your daughter and the guy got off with probation, and her boyfriand castrated the rapist, would you cheer the boyfriend or defend the rapist? I choose to cheer the boyfriend, Sony's CEO should be in prison.

    11. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by Foxhoundz · · Score: 1

      Is NORML a criminal organization? Have you ever heard of "civil disobediance"? That's what these kids are doing.

      Civil disobedience? Please don't compare these pompous idiots to human rights pioneers.

      And yeah, I'm going to sue a multibillion dollar corporation over the couple hundred bucks and an afternoon's work. Yeah, I'll really get satisfaction that way.

      Okay...I still don't understand how this justifies what LulzSec is doing.

      If someone raped your daughter and the guy got off with probation, and her boyfriand castrated the rapist, would you cheer the boyfriend or defend the rapist? I choose to cheer the boyfriend, Sony's CEO should be in prison.

      Apples and oranges. These people are exposing data of innocent users. Now, if they exposed the bank account information of the CEOs of these companies, then your fallacious logic may hold water. But when these so called "hackers" go around giving out confidential user information, who is hurting the most? A multi-billion dollar corporation or some poor bastard who becomes a victim of identity theft?

    12. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Civil disobedience? Please don't compare these pompous idiots to human rights pioneers.

      The same argument was made about the pot smokers who went to the "smoke ins" in the '70s. It is indeed civil disobedience, whether you choose to call a spade a "spade" or a "pointy shovel".

      These people are exposing data of innocent users.

      You don't read too good, do you? The data were already compromised. The real criminals already HAD the data, the identity theft was already happening. The only thing that was exposed was the fact that the data had been compromised and their identities were already being stolen by real blackhats, thanks to BoA and Sony's total disregard for the safety of the people who foolishly trusted them. Their slogan (which I parody in my sig), "Laughing at your security since 2011." The innocent users were laready harmed, both by the real criminals who already had the data and the corporations that had security so weak that a thirten year old could compromise it.

    13. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by Foxhoundz · · Score: 1

      I think you need read this: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20068939-245/exclusive-ceo-says-hackers-tried-to-extort-data-money/ These are a bunch of thugs looking to get some attention. Get over it.

    14. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      All's fair in love and war. Note they weren't after money, only DOSing tools. For it to be "extortion" you have to want money. Rael black hats would have demanded cash. Also, a supposed security guy (Hijazi) using the same password on multiple sites? What was he thinking? I'm no security guru but even I know better than that!

      But LulzSec denies that extortion was the motive, saying it was instead trying to see if a group of "blackhats"--industry parlance for underground or criminal hackers--could squeeze information out of a "whitehat" like Hijazi.

      Like I said, I don't agree with all of these guys' methods, but I do agree with their motives.

    15. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by Foxhoundz · · Score: 1

      But LulzSec denies that extortion was the motive,

      Oh, well I guess that makes it okay now, doesn't it?

      Like I said, I don't agree with all of these guys' methods, but I do agree with their motives.

      Why are you trying to sugarcoat what they do? They're blackmailing individuals. Is this how Lulz"Sec" works? Blackmailing people into giving up their data to blackmail more people? If they were really about pointing out the security flaws of websites, then they could have simply contacted the webmasters and informed them of the flaw. The fact that they didn't even bother to do this shows that they have no ideology or justification for doing this (hence the "lulz").

    16. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      If they were really about pointing out the security flaws of websites, then they could have simply contacted the webmasters and informed them of the flaw.

      You can't be that naive. These corporations have no financial incentive to keep user data secure. How many security flaws in MS and Adobe and Macromedia software have gone unpatched after white hats informed them? Public shame and the threat of lost revenues is the only way to make corporations take YOUR data seriously.

      And you still never did address the fact that these data were already in the hands of people whose vocation is identity theft.

    17. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by Foxhoundz · · Score: 1

      These corporations have no financial incentive to keep user data secure.

      Tell that to Sony and the list of lawsuits they have to deal with because of the PSN hack.

      And you still never did address the fact that these data were already in the hands of people whose vocation is identity theft.

      Sources? Proof?

    18. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Sources? Proof?

      Give me some sources or proof that you're not smoking crack. That's right, you can't, although asking for sources or proof that the professional blackhats don't have the data that a bunch of kids got easily suggests that you are, in fact, Either you're on crack, mentally retarded, or just trolling. This conversation is over in any case; I don't wish to continue biting your crack-ridden retarded trolls. So much for giving someone the benefit of the doubt.

      Now, to quote WC Fields, go away, kid, you bother me.

    19. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by Foxhoundz · · Score: 1

      What's with the personal attacks? I ask for a shred of evidence for your claims and you go on a tirade. Well, thank you for proving my point. Have a good day.

    20. Re:Of COURSE the MAFIAA hates LulzSec by MaDeR · · Score: 1

      LulzSec aren't good guys. They are chaotic neutral, not chaotic good.

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  14. Total Non Sequitor... by SirAstral · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The hacking, compromising, or intrusion of a computer system has nothing to do with the copying/distribution of copy protected works. The unlawful access of a computer system is already against the law and there is nothing this act would do to improve security because security is up to each individual organization and how they implement it.

    This is classic politics at work folks, keep your eye on the ball!

  15. I am from Germany (Europe) - Listen to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Escalation
    2) Everything gets suddenly better and not worse

    RIAA has reached 1944 on the escalation scala... don't worry...

    1. Re:I am from Germany (Europe) - Listen to me by jpapon · · Score: 1

      Unless of course they've reached annexation of the Sudetenland levels... In which case it's going to be a looooong decade.

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  16. And what will this do? by Osgeld · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It will treat everyday law abiding citizens as charged criminals under investigation while the people it targets will patch over it in less than a day...

    At this point I have trouble weighing out which group is dumber

    1. Re:And what will this do? by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Seems to me that the protect act violates the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th sections of the bill of rights.

      I'd say that americans should be getting pretty close to the bullet box option by now.

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    2. Re:And what will this do? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Dude Americans do not care.

      With everything going on they just take it up the ass and vote for the opposite party every 2 to 4 years who are sponsored by the same companies that are screwing them over time and time again. When the US hits austerity measures (artificially created I may add unlike Greece) I will bet you that no protests will ever come. People will simply starve to death who are out of work and people will just vent in forums like slashdot and CNN and wont do anything about it.

    3. Re:And what will this do? by f16c · · Score: 1

      While I doubt that there is a real possibility of an armed revolt taking place it also has to be pointed out that there are more guns here per person than likely anywhere else that isn't part of the third world. And while there may be lots of folks on the right side of the aisle that may "take it up the ass" for big business, most of us will do whatever we have to do to feed our families... armed or not. Big business would then suddenly find the cost of doing business in the US very, very high considering the cost of security even now. There are limits that any society will take and thus far we are not there yet but with the current business climate, the economy in the toilet and the tea party idiots making utter fools of themselves and STILL being elected to congress we are very close, indeed.

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    4. Re:And what will this do? by wintercolby · · Score: 1

      It is the average income in the US that makes us docile. As that declines, so too will our apathy. It isn't income disparity that makes a difference for armed revolution. It is the fact that even the working class in the US often has multiple cars in their family, as well as an income that supports a home with a bedroom per person. As income declines and costs go up, this calculus will shift. This is why we have congressional elections every 2 years, the goal is to flush the turd before it stinks up the bathroom.

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    5. Re:And what will this do? by MaDeR · · Score: 1

      "bullet box option"
      Assuming that by some miracle anyone cared, they would be killed. Libyan insurgents barely scrape by with help of NATO. What external help would you expect in case of revolution in USA? If military stands by goverment, rest would be butchered. And do not even amuse me with your "bearing arms" crap. These privileges was created in times when goverment and people have basically same weapons. Currently... not so much. Right to arms is currently useful for school shootings and healing small dick complex in rightwing nutjobs.

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  17. Please.... by M0j0_j0j0 · · Score: 1

    Don't poke the bear it will come aft......... ahhhhh

  18. Anonymous Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck you.

  19. Sounds good to me. by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

    Sure, first we'll just repeal the first amendment. . .

    1. Re:Sounds good to me. by doubleplusungodly · · Score: 1

      When corporations and the government have pretty much circumvented the way American government is supposed to work, why have a Constitution at all?

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    2. Re:Sounds good to me. by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      To protect the idea that individuals have freedoms, duh! People might get really upset if they knew there was nothing protecting them. It's for the greater good.

  20. who wants to bet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that AnonSec will be getting that RIAA dirt very soon...

    Hiatus over, challenge accepted?

  21. Someone tell the RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To shut up and go back to Hell to do the Devil's bidding and to leave us and the internet alone.

  22. The RIAA has it backwards by mathkicks · · Score: 2

    It seems to me that the RIAA/MPAA/etc is the reason for LulzSec and Anonymous

  23. Re:RIAA, another reason for not buying music, peri by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    I exchange a hard drive with a group of friends, a few times a year. There is music on that drive. Let's see you stop THAT, RIAA

    They'll just push for a $0.0X per MB tax on all data storage (even embedded flash RAM).

  24. I am in favor of censorship by erroneus · · Score: 1

    And the first thing that needs to be censored is the RIAA.

    1. Re:I am in favor of censorship by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      riaa is a terrorist org.

      I think their DNS entries should be the first to be blacklisted.

      they really are terrorists. I think they should be filtered. their whole concept is unamerican.

      filter them first.

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    2. Re:I am in favor of censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about starting by blacklisting any public IPs used by any RIAA member on websites owned by any Slashdotter.

  25. Re:Link to Copyrighted Material by music65536 · · Score: 1

    I am uncertain how Creative Commons fits into this bill. Which is stronger, Permissions to Share or "Don't Link to Copyrighted Material". Suppose then that we make haste to develop an archive of public domain material?

  26. So let me get this straight... by supersloshy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What Anonymous/LulzSec do (a good percentage of the time) is illegal anyways, yes? Why the crap do we need new laws when what they do is already criminal?

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    1. Re:So let me get this straight... by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      Nearly every CONgress on the world fails to even understand why you would ask something that obvious.

    2. Re:So let me get this straight... by krizoitz · · Score: 1

      First, I disagree with the RIAA's conclusion. However I also disagree with your analogy. It is illegal for me to steal from you, yet the fact that it is illegal doesn't mean you should leave your door unlocked. This proposal is more akin to adding extra locked doors to the building your apartment is in to prevent unauthorized or questionable people from getting in. Again I want to point out that I disagree with the RIAA's conclusion, but there is SOME logic involved, only a little.

    3. Re:So let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nearly every CONgress on the world fails to even understand why you would ask something that obvious.

      Nearly every citizen on the world fails to even understand why the elite would want more laws.

      Ha, captcha is "outvote".

    4. Re:So let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What Anonymous/LulzSec do (a good percentage of the time) is illegal anyways, yes? Why the crap do we need new laws when what they do is already criminal?

      We don't. But some some greedy dipshit congressman needs to get re-elected. And to do that, he needs exciting shit to put in his commercials.

      "congressman ____ kept our internets safe from hackers." sounds good enough. He did it for the children. Think of the children.

    5. Re:So let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its what lawyers do.. scratch each other's backs, even on different sides of issues, seemingly, it sustains the lawyer's way..Its law. Geez, why is it even necessary to spell it out here at /.? Its a confraternity of sorts, unspoken of except behind closed doors.. you know, Shakespeare and all.. lest they take the fight into the courtyard. Wasn't it the first law enacted- illegal to hit a lawyer? I could be wrong. >:-o

    6. Re:So let me get this straight... by supersloshy · · Score: 2

      I never said anything about not practicing good security. If someone steals from you because of bad security, the criminal is still liable for damages (if he can be traced in the first place). Should businesses be liable to protect their customers' data? Of course they should, I'm for that entirely. However, the Protect IP Act looks like it has absolutely nothing to do with that whatsoever and it wouldn't help at all.

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    7. Re:So let me get this straight... by cdp0 · · Score: 1

      What Anonymous/LulzSec do (a good percentage of the time) is illegal anyways, yes? Why the crap do we need new laws when what they do is already criminal?

      Because there isn't enough profit made from the current laws.

    8. Re:So let me get this straight... by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      Well, they don't just want more laws... They want more laws that benefit themselves. Also, take care to clarify who exactly is the elite (hint, they are the ones with power to create new laws) on your surroundings.

  27. Re:RIAA, another reason for not buying music, peri by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

    Mandatory Public key encryption all the way down to the Intel processor level.

    Your data won't work on someone else's CPU, you'll have to exchange computers. Any "unsigned" media (eg: recorded by routing spk to line-in), would either not play, or require a content creator's license.

    I seriously hope it doesn't come to that, but I wouldn't doubt it for a moment.

    Time to 1) donate to open-source hardware projects and 2) Stop buying Intel or other processors that support such things (to say nothing of the remote kill switch) -- a vote with your wallet will be heard the loudest (oh who am I kidding, no one gives a damn, look at Apple -- MS will have an "app store" soon too).

  28. Fuck LulzSec by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    I knew this was going to happen. Hackers do more harm than good for the rest of us just because they want to stroke their egos. ... of course the egos of executives at Hollywood need to be stroked to at our own expense.

    I am just sick of it and people who do not think about the repurcusions of their sensless actions. I am not worried about the RIAA more than I am about the federal government getting involved with more acts to limit liberty and monitor all our data and put caps on our bandwidth so the NSA can monitor everything.

    1. Re:Fuck LulzSec by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

      I knew this was going to happen. Hackers do more harm than good for the rest of us just because they want to stroke their egos. ... of course the egos of executives at Hollywood need to be stroked to at our own expense.

      I am just sick of it and people who do not think about the repurcusions of their sensless actions. I am not worried about the RIAA more than I am about the federal government getting involved with more acts to limit liberty and monitor all our data and put caps on our bandwidth so the NSA can monitor everything.

      You have more control over the governments actions that you do over hackers' actions.... So apply pressure where it's most effective.

  29. Re:RIAA, another reason for not buying music, peri by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Don't we have DRM starting with Vista. I thought trusted computing was support to be out by now that included such a thing. Whatever happened to it?

  30. Re:Link to Copyrighted Material by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

    Quite obviously, the law actually talks about linking to copyright material that is redistributed illegaly.

  31. modest much, neil? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The ability of our country to lead -- and the ability of U.S. companies to create employment -- will depend upon our continued success.

    Neil Turkewitz, Executive Vice President, International, RIAA

    this is how the 'letter' on the riaa website ends.

    'the ability of our country to lead': well, since engineering and manufacturing of actual goods has gone overseas, I suppose only you, your ilk and fast food workers are what we have left in the US. if the way we 'lead' the world is via your methods, I think we are better off not leading.

    'US companies creating employment': lawyers and folks like that. yup. but do we want more of THAT kind of US employment?

    and I even question the 'continued success' part. your buying base outright hates you and side-steps you at every turn. you war on them and wonder why they hate you and don't continue paying for your existence?

    neil, you are so fucking full of yourself. probably considered a trait of success at the place you work at, though...

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  32. A better idea by grapeape · · Score: 1

    Why dont we do one better and to extend protections to the RIAA and others just flat out ban copyrighted material from the internet...we could go back to the days when "lawlessness" ruled the internet but it was also inherently more useful.

  33. Any Excuse is good as any for Police State tactics by hardburlyboogerman · · Score: 1

    The RIAA & MPAA are the reason for Anonymous,Lulzsec,ect

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  34. Re:RIAA, another reason for not buying music, peri by thejynxed · · Score: 1

    The support is built into every computer that carries an Intel, IBM, or AMD CPU and has been for almost a decade. Most systems come with it disabled by default - it's left disabled and up to the end user to enable it. Mostly it's for corporate use at the moment.

    I know Apple has a "crippled" form of it enabled by default on all of the MacTel machines.

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  35. Re:Any Excuse is good as any for Police State tact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Care to back that up with a reputable site or are you just one of those fucktards who likes to think anyone who does something you like is just like you in principles?

  36. Well of course... by threeseas · · Score: 1

    Any argument is good, we already know that. We have seen enough from the RIAA to know they'd even use their own Mother as an excuse to promote their crap, only they ain't got no mother. Here is the only solution for them. Kill off everyone. That way you won't have any piracy claims. For those with half a brain, follow the logic through... Lets pretend everyone is dead cept those who are considered good customers. Would they notice any difference? See problem already solved. They can't claim dead people stole from them... oh wait they probably can and have.

  37. well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time to hunt them down one at a time..

  38. Re:Any Excuse is good as any for Police State tact by cjb658 · · Score: 1

    In Soviet Russia, authoritarian law is reason for Anonymous & LulzSec.

  39. Look on the bright side.. by Blackbrain · · Score: 1

    at least this time the powers that be didn't blow-up two buildings to make their strawman..

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  40. TYS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Told you so.

    Just saying

  41. Futile efforts are futile by lexsird · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They need to be quicker on their feet to out adapt the world of technology. Counter measures roll out faster than laws countering measures. All it does is create some vicious enemies with long memories. The RIAA needs to STFU and come up with a modern working business model for the digital age. It doesn't take much brain activity to come up with something that could solve this problem, so what the hell is their problem?

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    1. Re:Futile efforts are futile by jimshatt · · Score: 1

      Yeah, my thoughts exactly. The HUGE amount of money already spent fighting the current (DRM, lobbying for laws, all sorts of shenanigans) could *easily* have been used to take the time to come up with a business model that is actually in the best interest of the public, the artists *and* the companies. The only reason I can think of why this is not the case reeks of conspiracy theorism...

    2. Re:Futile efforts are futile by lexsird · · Score: 1

      It reeks of that or stupid assed lawyers or execs who have no clue how to innovate in this technological clime.

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    3. Re:Futile efforts are futile by jimshatt · · Score: 1

      And, of course, the lawyers are better served with more lawsuits. A simpler, more effective business model doesn't do them any good.

    4. Re:Futile efforts are futile by lexsird · · Score: 1

      Actually, it would be counterproductive and baneful to them. If the music business is making a happy chunk of money, they have no need of the RIAA to run around "getting money from pirates". Its called working yourself out of a job. But with that in mind, they are probably crooked enough to push an agenda for other reasons.

      What kills me is if I can ponder on a business model for this and come up with something viable in minutes, why haven't they? For me that is elegant proof that they are a bunch of no-goods.

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    5. Re:Futile efforts are futile by wintercolby · · Score: 1

      The insanity here is that Apple and Amazon have already fixed this, for the most part. I'm not much of a fan of either, but at $1.00 per song that is a good bitrate with no cracks or pops, and no surprises(!), it's worth it. The RIAA need to start coming out with music videos that they post on Youtube with links at the end to the album or song on amazon.com or iTunes. There is now a good business model, it works, and it makes really good money. People now have quicker, easier access to music than ever before. I'd be willing to bet that people spend a lot more money at $1/song than they would at $20/album. Anymore, when I hear something on the radio that's worth buying, I'm downloading it on my Android phone from Amazon MP3 almost immediately.

      RIAA, get over it, you don't control what's popular anymore, but on the bright side, you don't have to wine and dine anyone on YouTube to get a video to a hit.

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  42. Insert excuse here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The MAFIA (MPAA/RIAA) will find any and every excuse, and stop at no amount of lies and bullshit in order to push their agenda. They lie about internet piracy, pretending its thousands of times worse than it is. They lie about 'money lost' --at one point they claimed to have lost more money in 5 years than their official US Government IRS records showed their gross income to be for the previous 150 years combined (actually the amount they claimed was more than 10 times as large as the global gross record sales for the previous 150 years). They buy off politicians to push their corrupt agenda. They assert that others are criminal yet have no moral pangs about illegally bribing elected public officials. WIPO is a joke! Its a self-regulating group that was created to create an artificial monopoly for a group that in reality gives corporate welfare to a very small group. They are large enough now, to create their own laws, buy their own judges, politicians, and act as a burden on society worldwide. The fundamental reason for creating WIPO --as a way of supporting artists and authors-- has been lost. SONY, DISNEY, and Universal are where the money ends up. In Canada, artists took big music to court for failing to pay royalties to artists --some of the royalties not paid went back more than 30 years--, decades before the bad-old internet came along. Decades before the bad-old internet came along, were the worse-than-bad-old record and film conglomerates.

  43. Yea right... by ZDRuX · · Score: 1

    LOL, I was just waiting for this.. Problem, Reaction, Solution.. works every time.

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  44. Pay attention, son by traindirector · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is this guy's first name Foghorn?

    You gotta--I say you gotta hear that whoosh over your head, boy. Whoosh, that is.

    1. Re:Pay attention, son by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

      Somebody make a meme of this!!! ... gold buried in a thread

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    2. Re:Pay attention, son by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. Someone should immediately file the proper paperwork to get it meme-ified. I mean, there's a whole process one can go through, right?

  45. Why Protect IP matters by symbolset · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Protect IP matters because Detriot is an industrial wasteland. Intellectual Property is becoming more and more of the product we have to export. Because of this we escalate its importance to the point where at some future point we must defend our intellectual property using men with guns on foreign soil, defending our right to charge what we will for the broadcast rights to Justin Bieber's latest album on the peoples of India and China - who don't want to hear that crap anyway.

    The whole thing is sick. Eventually the world is going to call us to the carpet on that and make us make useful stuff for the value we get. And then what have we got?

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    1. Re:Why Protect IP matters by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      IP is no comparison to manufacturing industries. Whole industries including equipment and expertise had to be shifted before exports became imports. With IP to extort reduced tax rates and other concession, you just shift the country of ownership of the IP, takes a quick pen stroke and it's done and your tax base is screwed. IP is by far the most dangerous and unreliable national income base and is bound for inevitable failure.

      Way to truly rebuild the economy is via fair trade. A international WTO system of equalising competitive industry based up making products compete upon a fair basis bound by the costs of environmental safety, labour laws and equitable taxation basis.

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    2. Re:Why Protect IP matters by symbolset · · Score: 1

      I don't disagree with you in any way. And I don't see how your post disgrees with its parent. The whole thing is sick.

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    3. Re:Why Protect IP matters by advocate_one · · Score: 4, Informative

      With IP to extort reduced tax rates and other concession, you just shift the country of ownership of the IP, takes a quick pen stroke and it's done and your tax base is screwed.

      exactly... look at how Microsoft hides their IP in Ireland to minimise their tax bill... but uses US patent law to enforce it...

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    4. Re:Why Protect IP matters by vell0cet · · Score: 1

      Justin Bieber is Canadian.

    5. Re:Why Protect IP matters by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 1

      I think after Celine Dion and Brian Adams it's time to nuke Canada from orbit, it's the only way to be sure

    6. Re:Why Protect IP matters by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      We'd honestly rather not take responsibility.

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    7. Re:Why Protect IP matters by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      Microsoft, powered by Lucky Charms

    8. Re:Why Protect IP matters by symbolset · · Score: 1

      Justin Bieber may as well be a citizen of Nauru. Who owns the rights?

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  46. Why is it even a surprise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoever didn't see that coming is a bit naive. Call me a conspirationist paranoid if you want but I wouldn't even be surprised if we learn in a few years that lulzsec was manipulated/helped/covered by the people who want internet under control, this pyromaniac fireman tactic happened many times in the past.

  47. It's the other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PROTECT IP Act most definitely won't improve security of corporate servers. But it will piss many people off which will result in many more hacks ...

  48. Civil Rights to the fucking toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FASCIST BITCHES FUCK YOU ALL! Your fucking day reckoning is coming.

  49. I'm all for it by t2t10 · · Score: 1

    The result of aggressive filtering and censorship like that in the US will be a decentralization of the Internet. Instead of relying on a few easily controlled DNS servers and other components, people will move to decentralized, self-validating systems that will be even harder for governments to control. And people will start encrypting their traffic regularly. So, go ahead, make our days!

  50. They are attacking our censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We must make more and stricter censorship rules!
    No one must be allowed to say anything that involves us, the rules we make, or the things we makes rules about under penalty of death!
    There... that should do it

  51. My belief: They're covering up incompetence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They put lots of money to a mate of someone important who then cut corners and the building intended to withstand a full jumbo jet lamming into it falls down like a soggy cardboard box. Since the builders and politicians in on it never expected a plane EVER to hit it, or at least not until they'd retired, some quick hiding of evidence of the shoddy workmanship was needed.

    The use to promote PATRIOT was just a side-effect bonus.

    1. Re:My belief: They're covering up incompetence by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      The core of all three buildings were huge amounts of SOLID steel. This isn't some Mickey Mouse job here, even if you cut corners structural integrity strong enough to take the winds at that height would have caused it to take a little bit of fire here. Remember we aren't talking about it getting hit by a plane we are talking about a few pieces that flew over a block and landed on the building. THAT IS IT. And the sprinkler system had been checked fully functional. You honestly telling me that I hit a building that is 45 stories tall with the equivalent of a burning Yugo its gonna hit the ground?

      Bullshit and I would argue they KNEW it was bullshit, which is why the MSM broadcast the first two all over the world and then mostly ignored the third. To every person I've pointed this out to their first reaction is always "But only two buildings fell" and when I point out no, three fell, including one that was supposedly just hit by a small amount of burning debris their reaction is always the same "What a load of shit.,that doesn't make ANY sense!" and THAT is why they didn't broadcast it all over the planet. They knew there was a limit to the BS they could push and the third tower went over the limit, but they needed the Worldcom investigation to go away so they decided to push it.

      But if you look at the data contained in their "investigation" you'll see it has more holes than Swiss cheese. Why was their no investigation of someone at the Pentagon shorting AA BEFORE the first plane was reported missing? Why was their no investigation of the owner of the towers, who more than doubled his insurance for terrorist attack and ONLY terrorist attack less than 3 months before the hit? Why no investigation of how a 45 story building dies because some pieces of burning debris which according to the report were roughly the size of a couple of pick ups? Why no investigation on how with ALL the military bases we have on the east coast how NOT A SINGLE ONE could get so much as a single F15 in the air in the 90 minutes between the first hit and the last? Why no investigation on why the multi-billion dollar defense systems we've had in the DC area since the Cold War wasn't able to stop something the size of a 737?

      I'm sorry but if you look at the facts anyone who can read and think would have to call bullshit. Do I know who did it? No because nobody bothered to attempt to find out. But I can say that there is NO way in hell a handful of jihadis were able to pull off this little miracle, or cripple the entire US defense system simultaneously while dropping three buildings with two planes and driving a 737 into downtown DC without so much as a crop duster to oppose them. its bullshit, it stinks, and the only reason anybody buys it is the MSM, same as sadly many Americans still believe we attacked Iraq because of 9/11.

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  52. Why not filter vs. malware instead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not make a law that says ISP's must do DNSBL vs. known bad sites/servers/domain-host names instead, as well as IP addresses of the same (vs. when malware uses those vs. host/domain names).

    (Hey - That would stop probably 95% of folks "blundering into" sites that nowadays even have adbanners loaded with malicious script, or bogus trojan executables/viruses etc.!)

    Especially because nowadays, malware-in-general isn't just out to wreck your system, it's there to STEAL YOUR "DEAD-PRESIDENTS/COINS"!

    After all - we're the tax paying constituency as citizenry of the U.S.A. & yes, so is the members of the RIAA (or any corporate concern as well). Since tax monies pay for things via government, why don't we "little guys" get anything out of it, like less possibilities of getting infested by malware-in-general online (rootkits/virus/spyware etc.- et al)?

    Hey - if Norton DNS can do it, why can't all other ISP/BSP's out there?

    * Do something where EVERYONE gains instead of catering to "lobbyists" (bribery spelled sideways imo), especially "Joe Public" - the little guy...

    APK

    P.S.=> This is what SHOULD be done, but isn't afaik... why?

    Yes, yes - I know: Folks are going to reply, if they do, along the lines of "Big Money RULES" or "It's the way things have always been"... etc./et al!

    Well - maybe, JUST MAYBE, that's why things are so screwed up lately, especially economically!

    I mean, they sent jobs overseas - Dumb!

    That's another HUGE MISTAKE that was allowed... I mean, where do these politicians get their PAYROLL from? Tax payers. Take away our jobs, especially disposable income bearing jobs, & their money disappears too... stupid thinking imo!

    Take away GOOD PAYING JOBS, businesses don't get the customers they used to, to pay their suppliers, & then they cut jobs (furthering the problem - payrolls being the easiest cost-center to control in a business mind you)...

    QUESTION: Has this all been put into place to impoverish & destroy the rapidly eroding "middle class" so the rich get richer + create an 'everyone else is poor, but our clique' scenario, so they cannot challenge the wealthy + take away what little they may have (such as a home), perhaps?

    ... apk

  53. Addendum, on SPAM filters too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With proof they WORK - IF spam filters have made SPAM drop http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/06/30/1534210/Spamming-Becoming-Financially-Infeasible then, DNSBL can do the SAME for malware-in-general!

    APK

    P.S.=> Sure, sure - "it'd affect jobs", well guess what? Even though a techie spends probably 85% of his day removing malware for folks (malware that MAY have stolen their monies or personal information mind you, & most nowadays actually LOOKS TO DO THAT VERY THING!)? There's always other jobs techs do... I know, I was one @ times over the years while not coding or doing network admin stuff!

    It's like saying "We can CURE CANCER - but, it'd put Doctors out of work!"

    DUMB!

    I mean, for Pete's sake - Which is the LESSER OF 2 EVILS here? I say putting doctors out of work, but they, just like computer techs removing malware, always have other tasks & maladies to deal with anyhow, so they would NOT be "out of a job", period... I know, been there, done that job, & speak from experience 1st hand!

    ... apk

  54. Already exist... by nolife · · Score: 1

    There are laws that allow the prosecution of people that fraud and steal. There are existing practices and best methods to increase security and protect valuable data on public facing internet sites and intranets.

    Passing yet another law and adding a "monitor layer" in at the internet pipe or DNS level in an attempt to limit hacking and stealing does not make sense (specially one controlled by the government or special interests) and will not work any better than existing methods.

    This is another attempt at corporations trying to get the taxpayers to foot the bill for their own security and to help maintain their business models and their own negligent lack of security.
    Why are my tax dollars going to protect the music and movie industries? Why is it being spent tracking down knock-off purses and rogue network switching gear? Why is being spent to help BOA improve their security?

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  55. They bought off the (D) crowd... by EvilStein · · Score: 1

    *Five* former RIAA lawyers in high positions in the Obama administration, and dozens more Democrat senators clearly bought & paid for by their buddies in Hollywood. :/

  56. Re:What do you mean "expose"? Obligatory Simpsons by DrStrange66 · · Score: 1

    Their child prostitution is right out there leading their marketing pushes. Check out the "teen seen" music sources and Disney Channel fare. 13 year old girls in bustiers?

    MAFIAA is _proud_ of their rampant selling of child sex and sexuality to the public. That it is more "child porn" than direct prostitution is the only possible argument.

    "You know, Fox turned into a hard-core sex channel so gradually, I didn’t even notice." -Marge Simpson

  57. quote by currently_awake · · Score: 1

    The harder you squeeze your fist, the more (computer) systems will slip from your grasp. Given that we the people have greater total resources than you the gov, it is easy to see how totalitarian/dictatorships/communism/terrorists will always lose in the end. It's called evolution for you hardcore christians.

  58. Domestic Terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    False Flag if I ever saw one! BTW, I could possibly one day shit my pants, can we set up a regulatory committee to safe-guard against that, as well?

  59. Anonymous helping Terrorists Too by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    riaa is a terrorist org.

    Hey, but Anonymous is working actively to aid the "Food Terrorists" in Orlando.

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  60. why is the RIAA still around? by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

    Lulzsec missed a target it seems, maybe anonymous can catch up? I'm sure there's enough dirt on these POS execs on their computers to put them in prison for the next millennium, they will not be missed.