WinXP has nice improvements for laptop users like hibernation support that actually works.
Not to mention clear type fonts for LCD screens and its quite snappier on newer hardware than w2k. I just upgraded last year and its nice to be able to run the latest software too like Google pack and c# 2008.
WinXP is not bad at all and just had some bugs in it before service pack 1.
Then which format does Gnumeric use to save files? Ooxml or ODF? What about Miguel's quotes? Yes he is in charge of Gnome.
What about his support for.NET and disapproval for Java? Silverlight support?
What about Miguels comments about how after visiting a trip to MS to see COM and ActiveX is what inspired him to create Gnome as an alternative to KDE?
Do any gnome apps support ODF?
And now another gnome member bashes the free Ogg format that his employer labeled proprietary because it doesn't support DRM.
I think I am going to use Kubuntu and not ubuntu. Sorry but this just scares me and looks very suspicious. I love C# on the windows platform but all these activities smell like a trap that I do not want to contribute too. I can't find any logical reasoning for these biases and decisions at the Gnome camp.
We all rejected SCO Unixware and the ReiserFS and Gnome should end the same way. KDE 4.x looks very good!
I would not be surprised if one phone that is included with a 2 year contract is chosen based on whom restricts the most freedom. If they have a non html 5 compliant phone it would hurt customer adoption. If they were compliant then the telecoms would drop their contracts as its true free and they want only drm supported file formats.
They would lose either way and it only shows why monopolies and oligopolies distort the free market and hurt everyone but their own bottom line. They should not charge customers to use their own phones. Can you imagine Microsoft charging us and drm locking all our computers to do the same? No free unsigned apps or sounds allowed.
Cell phone makers charge lots of $$$ for ring tones and apps via DRM lockin.
Free and open standards threaten their revenue stream from these services and ogg means free ring tones and freedom for cell phone users and we can't have any of that in their world.
What is most frustrating thing is they are killing the goose with the golden egg because if it were not for the internet we would not have web browsing services or a network they can use to sell their own services.
Maybe another market could open up if we support open standards but I guess thats their fear.
Shudder. Wasn't worth it on my 1.7ghz pentiumM system with an 910 graphics. Especially in Shattarah where my core2 system with a 7600 GTS goes into single frames per second.
The differences has changed so much between the 2 over the past 8 or 9 years.
At first KDE beta1 was the cool! It was the only real desktop for unix. A windowmanager does not integrate different apps together with com/dcom, ole, or dbus. KDE was supposed to be more than a filemanger and be a real development and desktop environment similiar to macos and windows.
Then gnome came into existence because Miguel back then was anti capitalist and a gnu zealot. Kde was not gnu.
Gnome was designed as just an environment that ran on another wm. Enligthenment with redhat 6.x was typically used. It sucked and offered no integration. If you ran x from the startx command (as was common those days) you would see many error messages.
Then kde2.x and gnome 2.x came out. Kde 2.0 was terrible and crashed. Then 2 years later gnome 2 came out wiht its own window manager and finally it became integrated with nice menu's and became a full desktop environment. Now kde has become bloated and its interface is no longer consistent.
KDE 4 supposed to catch back up and surpass Gnome again as it now follows the freedesktop spec and the menus have been redone. Gnome is more simplstic now but its fully integrated which was not the case until recently.
What did you mean when you said KDE doesn't support other languages?
Miguel used this argument when kde 2.x was still in beta many years ago.
There is python and perl KDE libraries and I believe Ruby even has a port. The only thing that gnome has that kde doesn't is a Java api thats integrated with kde. Actually gnomes java api requires java.net mono. I know that sounds strange.
I think any object oriented language beats C when your doing event object oriented driven desktop environment.
To have tens of millions of dollars just sitting in a nice convenient portable container that can be hauled by anyone with a truck seems all too tempting.
Now if some of the data in their included credit numbers and maybe social security numbers of employees as well then you can make money by identity theft as well.
I suppose only a minimum wage paid security guard is guarding it too so anyone with a truck and fake uniform and nametag with a bogus company name can just drive in and convince the guard to drive off with it.
It takes over a minute to load up, doesn't support clear type fonts, can't open access databases, I am partially color blind and I can't read the different curves in calc that I can in Excel because the lines are the same, and many other issues.
I used to use openoffice but 2.3 is slower than Netbeans on a pentium1. The font situation is just very bad and of course there is compatibility problems with ms office. Opendoc might fix this as soon as some of the third party opendoc addons for office become complete.
Koffice is much much lighter and supports system fonts and integrates with KDE.
Until the situation is resolved I am going to stick to using Windows.
However the free market doesn't rule the internet thanks to government handed monopolies on ma bells who own the backbone. Its agaisnt the interest of the ISPs to upgrade the internet even if it is fine. They want to limit supply and net neutrality to maximize profits instead.
This means that unless bittorent and net neutrality can not be stopped the internet will halt.
I suppose they can use that argument to throttle all internet traffic so they dont have to upgrade their networks and can make more money price gouging everyone too.
The government needs to do this and not give the damn fiber to the monopolies as many will prefer to have it dark or heavily QOS to create an artificial supply to maximize profits.
Well the deal was they are going to cut her bill to $690 a month with an interest only arm loan for 2 years then up the payment to $1500 a month after that.
The vendors can do whatever they want since they know you can't declare bankruptcy.
Citibank is raping my wife $1300 a month to pay for her loan so she can make a lovely $45k a year in expensive southern california where our rent is $1700 a month. We are almost bankrupt and I may have to drop out of school and get a second job to pay for this. Bankruptcies will not cover student loans.
So no taxes are not paying for this but rather those who graduate. This does not include my soon to be $1000 a month as well so I do nt have to work minimum wage jobs because I lack the magical piece of paper. I may just have to work 3.
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WinXP has nice improvements for laptop users like hibernation support that actually works.
Not to mention clear type fonts for LCD screens and its quite snappier on newer hardware than w2k. I just upgraded last year and its nice to be able to run the latest software too like Google pack and c# 2008.
WinXP is not bad at all and just had some bugs in it before service pack 1.
Then which format does Gnumeric use to save files? Ooxml or ODF? What about Miguel's quotes? Yes he is in charge of Gnome.
.NET and disapproval for Java? Silverlight support?
What about his support for
What about Miguels comments about how after visiting a trip to MS to see COM and ActiveX is what inspired him to create Gnome as an alternative to KDE?
Do any gnome apps support ODF?
And now another gnome member bashes the free Ogg format that his employer labeled proprietary because it doesn't support DRM.
I think I am going to use Kubuntu and not ubuntu. Sorry but this just scares me and looks very suspicious. I love C# on the windows platform but all these activities smell like a trap that I do not want to contribute too. I can't find any logical reasoning for these biases and decisions at the Gnome camp.
We all rejected SCO Unixware and the ReiserFS and Gnome should end the same way. KDE 4.x looks very good!
How big are the telecoms are as customers?
I would not be surprised if one phone that is included with a 2 year contract is chosen based on whom restricts the most freedom. If they have a non html 5 compliant phone it would hurt customer adoption. If they were compliant then the telecoms would drop their contracts as its true free and they want only drm supported file formats.
They would lose either way and it only shows why monopolies and oligopolies distort the free market and hurt everyone but their own bottom line. They should not charge customers to use their own phones. Can you imagine Microsoft charging us and drm locking all our computers to do the same? No free unsigned apps or sounds allowed.
Cell phone makers charge lots of $$$ for ring tones and apps via DRM lockin.
Free and open standards threaten their revenue stream from these services and ogg means free ring tones and freedom for cell phone users and we can't have any of that in their world.
What is most frustrating thing is they are killing the goose with the golden egg because if it were not for the internet we would not have web browsing services or a network they can use to sell their own services.
Maybe another market could open up if we support open standards but I guess thats their fear.
Unlike perl which prides itself that there is more than one way to do it. Parenthesis, no parenthesis, do whatever you want.
Shudder. Wasn't worth it on my 1.7ghz pentiumM system with an 910 graphics. Especially in Shattarah where my core2 system with a 7600 GTS goes into single frames per second.
I have a newer core2duo I built with a geforce7600GT and shattarah is almost unplayable. Isn't that state of the art just last year?
Doesn't the headers of the TCP part of the TCP/IP protocal contain a message that this packet is encrypted with X?
Until encrpyption is modded down. Infact alot of ISPs already do this making ssh useless.
After reading this tread I have to ask hich one here is not a virgin.
The differences has changed so much between the 2 over the past 8 or 9 years.
At first KDE beta1 was the cool! It was the only real desktop for unix. A windowmanager does not integrate different apps together with com/dcom, ole, or dbus. KDE was supposed to be more than a filemanger and be a real development and desktop environment similiar to macos and windows.
Then gnome came into existence because Miguel back then was anti capitalist and a gnu zealot. Kde was not gnu.
Gnome was designed as just an environment that ran on another wm. Enligthenment with redhat 6.x was typically used. It sucked and offered no integration. If you ran x from the startx command (as was common those days) you would see many error messages.
Then kde2.x and gnome 2.x came out. Kde 2.0 was terrible and crashed. Then 2 years later gnome 2 came out wiht its own window manager and finally it became integrated with nice menu's and became a full desktop environment. Now kde has become bloated and its interface is no longer consistent.
KDE 4 supposed to catch back up and surpass Gnome again as it now follows the freedesktop spec and the menus have been redone. Gnome is more simplstic now but its fully integrated which was not the case until recently.
Sound works on my laptop with gnome but not with KDE. Some of the tools used to configure the devices are different.
Observing only was a way to explain certain conditions in which changing a result happened when you tried to observe it.
First it was just silly way to explain the randomness. Now its a fact that the scientific method of observation need not apply.
It seems after the microsoft deal that it turned into the plague that infects everything.
What did you mean when you said KDE doesn't support other languages?
Miguel used this argument when kde 2.x was still in beta many years ago.
There is python and perl KDE libraries and I believe Ruby even has a port. The only thing that gnome has that kde doesn't is a Java api thats integrated with kde. Actually gnomes java api requires java.net mono. I know that sounds strange.
I think any object oriented language beats C when your doing event object oriented driven desktop environment.
To have tens of millions of dollars just sitting in a nice convenient portable container that can be hauled by anyone with a truck seems all too tempting.
Now if some of the data in their included credit numbers and maybe social security numbers of employees as well then you can make money by identity theft as well.
I suppose only a minimum wage paid security guard is guarding it too so anyone with a truck and fake uniform and nametag with a bogus company name can just drive in and convince the guard to drive off with it.
Seems risky.
It takes over a minute to load up, doesn't support clear type fonts, can't open access databases, I am partially color blind and I can't read the different curves in calc that I can in Excel because the lines are the same, and many other issues.
I used to use openoffice but 2.3 is slower than Netbeans on a pentium1. The font situation is just very bad and of course there is compatibility problems with ms office. Opendoc might fix this as soon as some of the third party opendoc addons for office become complete.
Koffice is much much lighter and supports system fonts and integrates with KDE.
Until the situation is resolved I am going to stick to using Windows.
And also for the opendoc plugins for ms-word to mature.
With these 2 things I can finally switch to linux. MS word and excel compatibility are important and I refuse to use openoffice.
Agreed!
With no regulations for puting in multiple phone, fiber, and cable lines you can rest assured the monopolies will be destroed!
After all the market under legal monopolies provides perfect competition so the problem can solve itself.
The new deal was created during the depression not before.
The depression started due to unregulated securities.
However the free market doesn't rule the internet thanks to government handed monopolies on ma bells who own the backbone. Its agaisnt the interest of the ISPs to upgrade the internet even if it is fine. They want to limit supply and net neutrality to maximize profits instead.
Isn't %98 of all fiber dark? I thought I remember hearing that 5 years ago here on /.
The capacity is artificially limited to boast higher prices for the monopolies.
This means that unless bittorent and net neutrality can not be stopped the internet will halt.
I suppose they can use that argument to throttle all internet traffic so they dont have to upgrade their networks and can make more money price gouging everyone too.
The government needs to do this and not give the damn fiber to the monopolies as many will prefer to have it dark or heavily QOS to create an artificial supply to maximize profits.
Well the deal was they are going to cut her bill to $690 a month with an interest only arm loan for 2 years then up the payment to $1500 a month after that.
The vendors can do whatever they want since they know you can't declare bankruptcy.
Citibank is raping my wife $1300 a month to pay for her loan so she can make a lovely $45k a year in expensive southern california where our rent is $1700 a month. We are almost bankrupt and I may have to drop out of school and get a second job to pay for this. Bankruptcies will not cover student loans.
So no taxes are not paying for this but rather those who graduate. This does not include my soon to be $1000 a month as well so I do nt have to work minimum wage jobs because I lack the magical piece of paper. I may just have to work 3.
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