OF course FreeBSD's latest design is controversial and has some issues. Matt Dillion left as a result and the the other top two developers left during the past several years. I find it doing strange things with my boxes and my USB keyboard wont work with the latest 5.x releases.
I am looking at NetBSD right now.
I am a former FreeBSD user and agree with what you are saying. Linux use to be trim and stable during the 2.0 days. But now, I find the userland programs less tested and more buggy than the BSD versions. The BSD developers test more than just the kernel and do a better job than most Linux distros.
Of course it is also very unprofessional and insulting to attack like this in public during a business meeting. I personally would of left the meeting if names were being thrown at me. Then I would talk to my boss and the person doing it in private aftewards.
Actually the fbi called the store manager and he did an investigation.
Unfortunately he didn't have enough evidence to press charges so instead found some dumb reason to fire her.
Several months later we found boxes from tens of thousands of dollars worth of stolen merchandise hidden within a wall of the store. She probably engineered that too since PDA's and other high ticket items require a supervisor key.
Phishing works in numerous ways like creating fake websites like www.payypal.com which is a close of replica of paypal to trick mom and pop.
Also many malware type apps which install themselves through javascript exploits may install a keyboard logger, or even change the address bar when a user types "www.amazon.com". IE will display the correct URL but will go to a hacked copy of the site while the user is unaware.
Also most stolen credit cards are from legitimate businesses which their minimium wage employees steal and post to the net for profit. I use to work at Staples and a former supervisor was caught doing this with over 50 credit card holders.
Last, its not the user who compromises but rather the merchant who compromises. IIS is the default most popular web software for corporate America and ecommerce sites. A hacker who gain infiltrate a database with thousands of email addresses and credit numbers has a potential gold mine.
Its more complex than just protecting yourself.
The internet today is getting worse and worse and is turning into the wild west. Its a dangerous place where new pc's can get infected within 3 to 4 minutes, billions of spams go out each day, to phishing.
I was reading an older story here about the google archive of usenet including the first spam and how everyone was so shocked the internet could turn into a profit making scheme. Boy, the old internet users had no idea what was coming.
For those old enough to remember Windows95 and Windows3.1, activeX was called "ole" short for Object Linking and Embedding.
It was used in VB to drag and drop controls and parts of applications. Thats it.
For example you could slap together an app that uses Excel by using the ole (activeX) control from the program and putting it on the form.
Anyway its powerfull and security is not an issue since it was designed to be used in internal apps at compile time by VB and VC developers.
MS was panicked by netscape plugins wbecause ms didn't control it. What MS should have done was base ActiveX on ole, take out some features and add security oriented ones in return. Instead they gave out the ole controls with a dumb hackable trust based pop-up as a bandaid solution for the security.
The people who stand up for Bush are the ones who hated Clinton. Now its payback in my opinion.
I dislike his policies and think he is dangerous in terms of the damage he can do to our banks and deficit. Its my American opinion and I have a right to be upset with him.
Also I can make fun of my leader like people in other countries do. I really do not make fun of him to make myself feel better but rather bash his policies which I strongly disagree with.
Notice the state controls everything and this is borderline fascism. Socialism is mentioned here.
Socialism is often missused as well since welfare = socialism = fascism has been being said by right wing think tanks for decades.
Socialism is a way to level the playing field and almost every government in the world is socialistic in some way by industry regulations. Communism is more repressive of the two and more authotarian.
You can also be communistic and capitalists like China and control just who gets the money.:-)
A monopoly is also communistic too. If MS controls the market and sets speed, innovation, pc standards, and drm into pc's then yes MS is the communistic entity. In a truly free market with competition than thats capitalist.
Socialism and democracy are somewhat similiar but kind of incompatible since one refers to an economic model.
Communism is a repressive form of dictarship similiar to fascism. The communists in Russia happened to be socialistic as well but many groups consider the royal family of Saudi Arabia communistic even though they are capitalists. China is still as communist as ever but is now a capitalistic society.
I would be carefull not to ever give them your credit card.
Alot of worms install keyboard loggers.
I would have politely lectured them and told them a worm/virus could cost them their business and lawsuits.
if they must go on the net use a different pc but keep the credit card machine secure and used only for transactions.
I use to work for Jason's Deli and while mapquest is used for the delivery drivers on the transaction POS so we knew where we were going, someone browsed an internet that installed a worm and shutdown the business.
Today its firewalled and only www.mapquest.com will go through.
Admins here use to brag about their uptimes for their servers, but today they take them down every couple of days for updates and patches. yet still worms and viruses are sneaking in even with well trained staff.
Gerald Stark, did quite well for a non techie user. He had the correct anti spyware/virus/ software and 2 firewalls. My guess is the crackers were ahead of the anti spyware and virus companies. I remember reading here on slashdot about an interview with a cracker who wrote worms from an exploit he discovered 5 months before CERT! A year later a patch finally came out.
Right now the spammers and crackers are winning since they are always ahead.
How did you know the virus did not delete data on his system before he could backup? How did you know the virus did not delete some Windows dlls preventing the machine to load in order for him to do his backup?
He is a just a user and not a big corporation with an IT department to do automated backups for him. Multi site backup? He is running his own tiny business. That is a luxury of the big boys.
Many small businesses do have tape backups at all. Or they have tape backups but run Windows and the user has to manually start them. My guess is he was one of them. Or perhaps his company was a one man operation and he did things from home? Then a standard desktop would have been used probably with no backup at all. Users do not know about tape backups.
The fact that an unpatched machine can get infected within 3-4 minutes is scary shit! I believe the situation is out of control and even taking adaquite precautions and administration does not guarantee your system will not get infected somehow.
ISP's can not block such things with the current internet protocal. I think switching to IPV6 and inventing some extensions that can track computers and an end to spoofing is what is needed.
The guy from main had 2 firewalls, spyware and antivirus software. Still 1 machine had a virus that killed it that the vendor was behind on, and the second had spyware that brought it down to its knees. I think as a (l)user he did a fairly good job and a huge effort compared to 90% of the internet users.
He lost all his reciepts for his business purchases and vows never to buy anything online again. Ouch but can you blame him?
The fact is its out of control and a firewall wont protect your system if you recieve an email that is written in html and has some javascript exploit to install some worm. You do not even have to read any attachments. Just read it.
But another point is why should users spend so many resources learning, buying firewalls, using windowsUpdate, updating anti virus software, and keep updating lavasoft? Yes users need to take precautions of course but what is happening is just silly. I spend at least 2 hours a week updating my computer at home now.
I for one is nervous about doing ecommerce on the internet even on firefox. How do I know my machine is not infecting and not telling me? I even have two installations of Windows and one is used to watch porn and listen to music. I do not trust my files and think they could be infected.
I find spyware all the time on my systems and most of the time the anti spyware and virus software is a few weeks behind.
Yes like changing oil in your car a user should be minimally educated but we need drastic action. Either start procecuting these people are work on adding extensions to IPV6 to have better tracking and better security so admins and ISP's can block most of this.
I fear though DRM will be trounced soon by the likes of MS and the net and ecommerce communities will rejoice since it will finally stop unathorized software to be installed by these pesky hackers.
If we in the hacker community do not take care of it they will and take away your rights in return.
Keep in mind for many corporate users support and stability are important. Not free software or the gobs of ports.
I have not used Gentoo since 1.1 and I heard its getting better. I got burned a few times.
No distro is perfect and I had some ebuilds fail and some bugs show. I could not even get gnome running for a few days and I needed Gpilot to sync with my handheld. For a server I need someone who tests for these kinds of things. Gentoo did not test servers for bugs or do QA as good as a commercial distro or debian.
If someone wants to pay redhat then whats the problem? Its their right?
Fedora is free and is used by redhat for testing their new corporate releases.
I remember old posts here that found 3 bugs including setting GDM and XDM, X.org, and one with openoffice.
I have been quite disapointed with Linux distros over the years since I started using them in 98. I find them becoming less and less reliable and more bugy and resource hugs.
Anyway how often is Fedora updated? I may switch back to RedHat Fedora after a disapoint with the bugs in SuSE and FreeBSD5.3.
I am not a troll, but a student and does not have the time to continually tinker with my linux box or put up with core dumps from many userland apps like I use to. I need something that just works and wonders if it fits my bill.
No Debian stable is not an option because its a newer machine and I have limited bandwith and time and do not want to play with apt-get.
I wondered about this as well since I really wanted to run NetBSD on my computer buy mesa could not run hardware accelerating with my nvidia card.
This is why I think NetBSD is great for servers only at this point. But of course I am biased like everyone here.
THere is no perfect distro and fighting is pointless since no distro is for everyone. Use whatever you like. Its free and the power is in our hands and that is what FOSS is all about.
Well using it in the enterpise and not just at home as hobby is certainly important and requires marketshare for proper hardware/software support.
FOSS has evolved since the 90's and has many different users with complex and different needs. If you want to use it as a free/open alternative and not care that is up to you.
I so wished Debian stable was not so far behind. It looked like a promising OS.
Redhat server and workstation are about as stable as debian and alot more cutting edge. Reason being is that Debian wants to make sure a package or kernel is stable on all 12 platforms. If all 32 of the amiga folks find a bug in the 2.6 kernel, the millions who use x86 must wait until the bug is fixed. Of course debian does not believe in a distro that is ahead for other platforms. Instead everyone must use the same version until the bugs are worked out. Debian use to be more cutting edge back in the 90's. It was during the ports of Linux to other architectures and the explosion of FOSS software packages that doomed it.
Many have developers who just compile package X on redhat and assume its ready. Meanwhile it breaks on other distro's with different libraries and versions of depandancies. Makefiles too are not that portable between the BSD's, and linux distro's.
NetBSD is more stable than any Linux distro and more up to date and runs well on almost all architectures. The system was designed from the ground up to be portable. I wish more amiga users used this platform instead which is more up to date and stable.
If you are using x86 then redhat would be a better bet for a workstation that needs to be stable and not too out of date. Or netbsd if its a server.
A server needs to be stable and it sucks if the server has more than 2 processors and unique raid cards that kernel 2.6 can take care of but debian can not include to make the atari users happy.
I typically get 80 messages a day which the builk mailer always finds. These last 2 or 3 weeks only half the spam is being caught and my mail box is becoming loaded again. I was wondering why the fail rate was going up.
My guess is Yahoo used dns lookups in its anti-spam software.
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OF course FreeBSD's latest design is controversial and has some issues. Matt Dillion left as a result and the the other top two developers left during the past several years. I find it doing strange things with my boxes and my USB keyboard wont work with the latest 5.x releases.
I am looking at NetBSD right now.
I am a former FreeBSD user and agree with what you are saying. Linux use to be trim and stable during the 2.0 days. But now, I find the userland programs less tested and more buggy than the BSD versions. The BSD developers test more than just the kernel and do a better job than most Linux distros.
Of course it is also very unprofessional and insulting to attack like this in public during a business meeting. I personally would of left the meeting if names were being thrown at me. Then I would talk to my boss and the person doing it in private aftewards.
Agreed which is why all radio's are wired with explosives that destroy themselves when you open them out.
Terrorists using radio's to send out waves could have devestating consequences to the airline industry.
We need things closed.
Actually the fbi called the store manager and he did an investigation.
Unfortunately he didn't have enough evidence to press charges so instead found some dumb reason to fire her.
Several months later we found boxes from tens of thousands of dollars worth of stolen merchandise hidden within a wall of the store. She probably engineered that too since PDA's and other high ticket items require a supervisor key.
Phishing works in numerous ways like creating fake websites like www.payypal.com which is a close of replica of paypal to trick mom and pop.
Also many malware type apps which install themselves through javascript exploits may install a keyboard logger, or even change the address bar when a user types "www.amazon.com". IE will display the correct URL but will go to a hacked copy of the site while the user is unaware.
Also most stolen credit cards are from legitimate businesses which their minimium wage employees steal and post to the net for profit. I use to work at Staples and a former supervisor was caught doing this with over 50 credit card holders.
Last, its not the user who compromises but rather the merchant who compromises. IIS is the default most popular web software for corporate America and ecommerce sites. A hacker who gain infiltrate a database with thousands of email addresses and credit numbers has a potential gold mine.
Its more complex than just protecting yourself.
The internet today is getting worse and worse and is turning into the wild west. Its a dangerous place where new pc's can get infected within 3 to 4 minutes, billions of spams go out each day, to phishing.
I was reading an older story here about the google archive of usenet including the first spam and how everyone was so shocked the internet could turn into a profit making scheme. Boy, the old internet users had no idea what was coming.
Not to sound trollish but the same applies with Unix.
Ask any VMS or MVS administrator?
The problem deals with C and C++ where length is not always checked or enforced which creates buffer overflows.
MacOS (not MacOSX) was used by the military as a secure platform because Pascal does bound checking before any data even goes into a buffer.
VMS is written in Modula so its not vulnerable either.
For those old enough to remember Windows95 and Windows3.1, activeX was called "ole" short for Object Linking and Embedding.
It was used in VB to drag and drop controls and parts of applications. Thats it.
For example you could slap together an app that uses Excel by using the ole (activeX) control from the program and putting it on the form.
Anyway its powerfull and security is not an issue since it was designed to be used in internal apps at compile time by VB and VC developers.
MS was panicked by netscape plugins wbecause ms didn't control it. What MS should have done was base ActiveX on ole, take out some features and add security oriented ones in return. Instead they gave out the ole controls with a dumb hackable trust based pop-up as a bandaid solution for the security.
Well the fork is what caused Openoffice to stop Aqua development
Not really
The people who stand up for Bush are the ones who hated Clinton. Now its payback in my opinion.
I dislike his policies and think he is dangerous in terms of the damage he can do to our banks and deficit. Its my American opinion and I have a right to be upset with him.
Also I can make fun of my leader like people in other countries do. I really do not make fun of him to make myself feel better but rather bash his policies which I strongly disagree with.
Let me get this straight?
You would rather still work your fucking ass off in college for free and lose money and sleep in a dorm with somebody else?
College is a job for me and a bad one. I mean I like working but even McDonalds is less stressfull and at least puts some money in my wallet.
I know the mono project is working on one.
A dashboard app or ticker with RSS support would be cool or a customable sidebar or background.
I wonder how hard it would be to write one? I am a little envious of the macosx crowd and WindowsBlinds users.
Perhaps a todo list that could sync into a pda in teh dashboard app would be cool too.
Definition of communism is here.
:-)
Notice the state controls everything and this is borderline fascism. Socialism is mentioned here.
Socialism is often missused as well since welfare = socialism = fascism has been being said by right wing think tanks for decades.
Socialism is a way to level the playing field and almost every government in the world is socialistic in some way by industry regulations. Communism is more repressive of the two and more authotarian.
You can also be communistic and capitalists like China and control just who gets the money.
A monopoly is also communistic too. If MS controls the market and sets speed, innovation, pc standards, and drm into pc's then yes MS is the communistic entity. In a truly free market with competition than thats capitalist.
Communism today means fascism.
Socialism is a different matter that people confuse with communism thanks to the cold war.
I can not stress this enough.
Your confusing communism with socialism.
Socialism and democracy are somewhat similiar but kind of incompatible since one refers to an economic model.
Communism is a repressive form of dictarship similiar to fascism. The communists in Russia happened to be socialistic as well but many groups consider the royal family of Saudi Arabia communistic even though they are capitalists. China is still as communist as ever but is now a capitalistic society.
I would be carefull not to ever give them your credit card.
Alot of worms install keyboard loggers.
I would have politely lectured them and told them a worm/virus could cost them their business and lawsuits.
if they must go on the net use a different pc but keep the credit card machine secure and used only for transactions.
I use to work for Jason's Deli and while mapquest is used for the delivery drivers on the transaction POS so we knew where we were going, someone browsed an internet that installed a worm and shutdown the business.
Today its firewalled and only www.mapquest.com will go through.
Its not the users.
Admins here use to brag about their uptimes for their servers, but today they take them down every couple of days for updates and patches. yet still worms and viruses are sneaking in even with well trained staff.
Gerald Stark, did quite well for a non techie user. He had the correct anti spyware/virus/ software and 2 firewalls. My guess is the crackers were ahead of the anti spyware and virus companies. I remember reading here on slashdot about an interview with a cracker who wrote worms from an exploit he discovered 5 months before CERT! A year later a patch finally came out.
Right now the spammers and crackers are winning since they are always ahead.
How did you know the virus did not delete data on his system before he could backup? How did you know the virus did not delete some Windows dlls preventing the machine to load in order for him to do his backup?
He is a just a user and not a big corporation with an IT department to do automated backups for him. Multi site backup? He is running his own tiny business. That is a luxury of the big boys.
Many small businesses do have tape backups at all. Or they have tape backups but run Windows and the user has to manually start them. My guess is he was one of them. Or perhaps his company was a one man operation and he did things from home? Then a standard desktop would have been used probably with no backup at all. Users do not know about tape backups.
The fact that an unpatched machine can get infected within 3-4 minutes is scary shit! I believe the situation is out of control and even taking adaquite precautions and administration does not guarantee your system will not get infected somehow.
ISP's can not block such things with the current internet protocal. I think switching to IPV6 and inventing some extensions that can track computers and an end to spoofing is what is needed.
Did you read the article?
The guy from main had 2 firewalls, spyware and antivirus software. Still 1 machine had a virus that killed it that the vendor was behind on, and the second had spyware that brought it down to its knees. I think as a (l)user he did a fairly good job and a huge effort compared to 90% of the internet users.
He lost all his reciepts for his business purchases and vows never to buy anything online again. Ouch but can you blame him?
The fact is its out of control and a firewall wont protect your system if you recieve an email that is written in html and has some javascript exploit to install some worm. You do not even have to read any attachments. Just read it.
But another point is why should users spend so many resources learning, buying firewalls, using windowsUpdate, updating anti virus software, and keep updating lavasoft? Yes users need to take precautions of course but what is happening is just silly. I spend at least 2 hours a week updating my computer at home now.
I for one is nervous about doing ecommerce on the internet even on firefox. How do I know my machine is not infecting and not telling me? I even have two installations of Windows and one is used to watch porn and listen to music. I do not trust my files and think they could be infected.
I find spyware all the time on my systems and most of the time the anti spyware and virus software is a few weeks behind.
Yes like changing oil in your car a user should be minimally educated but we need drastic action. Either start procecuting these people are work on adding extensions to IPV6 to have better tracking and better security so admins and ISP's can block most of this.
I fear though DRM will be trounced soon by the likes of MS and the net and ecommerce communities will rejoice since it will finally stop unathorized software to be installed by these pesky hackers.
If we in the hacker community do not take care of it they will and take away your rights in return.
What SA?
What does 3.4 include? Features? bugfixes? etc?
Keep in mind for many corporate users support and stability are important. Not free software or the gobs of ports.
I have not used Gentoo since 1.1 and I heard its getting better. I got burned a few times.
No distro is perfect and I had some ebuilds fail and some bugs show. I could not even get gnome running for a few days and I needed Gpilot to sync with my handheld. For a server I need someone who tests for these kinds of things. Gentoo did not test servers for bugs or do QA as good as a commercial distro or debian.
If someone wants to pay redhat then whats the problem? Its their right?
Fedora is free and is used by redhat for testing their new corporate releases.
I remember old posts here that found 3 bugs including setting GDM and XDM, X.org, and one with openoffice.
I have been quite disapointed with Linux distros over the years since I started using them in 98. I find them becoming less and less reliable and more bugy and resource hugs.
Anyway how often is Fedora updated? I may switch back to RedHat Fedora after a disapoint with the bugs in SuSE and FreeBSD5.3.
I am not a troll, but a student and does not have the time to continually tinker with my linux box or put up with core dumps from many userland apps like I use to. I need something that just works and wonders if it fits my bill.
No Debian stable is not an option because its a newer machine and I have limited bandwith and time and do not want to play with apt-get.
This is why I think NetBSD is great for servers only at this point. But of course I am biased like everyone here.
THere is no perfect distro and fighting is pointless since no distro is for everyone. Use whatever you like. Its free and the power is in our hands and that is what FOSS is all about.
Well using it in the enterpise and not just at home as hobby is certainly important and requires marketshare for proper hardware/software support.
FOSS has evolved since the 90's and has many different users with complex and different needs. If you want to use it as a free/open alternative and not care that is up to you.
I so wished Debian stable was not so far behind. It looked like a promising OS.
Redhat server and workstation are about as stable as debian and alot more cutting edge. Reason being is that Debian wants to make sure a package or kernel is stable on all 12 platforms. If all 32 of the amiga folks find a bug in the 2.6 kernel, the millions who use x86 must wait until the bug is fixed. Of course debian does not believe in a distro that is ahead for other platforms. Instead everyone must use the same version until the bugs are worked out. Debian use to be more cutting edge back in the 90's. It was during the ports of Linux to other architectures and the explosion of FOSS software packages that doomed it.
Many have developers who just compile package X on redhat and assume its ready. Meanwhile it breaks on other distro's with different libraries and versions of depandancies. Makefiles too are not that portable between the BSD's, and linux distro's.
NetBSD is more stable than any Linux distro and more up to date and runs well on almost all architectures. The system was designed from the ground up to be portable. I wish more amiga users used this platform instead which is more up to date and stable.
If you are using x86 then redhat would be a better bet for a workstation that needs to be stable and not too out of date. Or netbsd if its a server.
A server needs to be stable and it sucks if the server has more than 2 processors and unique raid cards that kernel 2.6 can take care of but debian can not include to make the atari users happy.
With Yahoo mail.
I typically get 80 messages a day which the builk mailer always finds. These last 2 or 3 weeks only half the spam is being caught and my mail box is becoming loaded again. I was wondering why the fail rate was going up.
My guess is Yahoo used dns lookups in its anti-spam software.