It looks like I would have to stick with Intel graphics on the host and buy a new CPU. My i7 4770k supports vt-x but not vt-d for I/0 virtualization needed for the GPU
Agree. I read 70% somewhere when it was in insider still!
What were they thinking? Does it really absolutely have to be released for a deadline?! No MS this is not XP here to say stop. MS is terrifyed that win 7 is going to be the XP but what they do not realize is they are causing this.
MS needs to unbranched fixes so they can take out one buggy thing and add code that works to fix the others.... Please for the love of God test internally again with real hardware and VMS
What is odd is my support buddies who do small business get weird tickets for all pcs with same hardware and software stack every 3 weeks when an update hits. Stuff like 6 out of 25 pcs looped rebooting for 6 hours while others worked fine?!
The problem is they are losing customers and one wants to sue! Basically all the computers with XP worked fine before YOU came and cost us $5000 in lost business! They are now viewed as incompetent all thanks to Windows 10.
True XP doesn't have these problems.
Is MS going to change and rehire their QA? Windows 7 is old now and 2019 is coming fast! What does a company and IT shop do? This is going to be bad as the 7 holdouts like the XP brethren before can't stay forever in the business world who needs support... but shit keep working
Actually no. You still get updated 3 times a month. What deferred updates do is put your pc in the previous build channel. So you would an update too for build 1577 instead of anniversary. Same fixes. If you have deferred updates enabled and you already have anniversary edition you are screwed as you will get this update.
Basically it just means you stay on previous build for 3 to 4 months. You still get cumulative updates
No I will use an OS that works for me and not the other way around thank you very much.
I am now back at 8.1 and will consider Linux or Freebsd again soon in the coming months. KVM/ qemu or unRAID maybe mature enough for me to run my few games and MS labs. In the meantime time I need something that works and going into airline mode or run non secure obsolete non patched operating systems is absurd.
Ha nice try for the non enterprise edition crowd. I had defer updates turned on and still got it!
This is bullshit. Third buggy update since August 1st. Just removed it from my system but MS surface pro 3 I have won't run 8.1. Worse new Zen and Krabylake CPUs won't support anything but 10 either!!
I went from anti MS zealot in 1998 to pro Freebsd to then pro MS by the time of Windows 7... To maybe back around.
This is the first time in a long time that I am highly discouraging business use of MS. I know on slashdot this is a no duh moment, but for the rest of us used to MS Office, Active Directory, and things just working, this is big news.
I agree with Hairyfeet that Linux historically has broken more with updates than Windows due to shit never changing in Windows and a strong abi that Linux lacks which means drivers do not break and require a recompile. Looking at you Xorg and Nvidia! But with Ubuntu LTS I do not have that problem.
Freebsd also has an ABI too for stuff not breaking.
But man Windows 10 anniversary update is a cluster fuck and so is Office 2016. I LOVE both. On a tablet like my surface Windows 10 is decent. No it is. Outlook 2016 now has attachments available for a whole chain of emails which is nice in a thread. But... BIG but Windows 10/Office 2016 is win32 Gentoo! Nothing ever stays just working. I do not have confidence that my systems will STAY working whether rebooting while I am working on something or Hyper-V all of the sudden not work.
The only reason I am still using Windows is because of steam games, virtualization with a real non buggy type 1 Hyper-V (VMware workstation sucks hairballs), and I make a living with Microsoft based technologies. So I am going back to 8.1 with start8 from object desktop.
However, with no QA what is to say some updates won't trash 8 or 7? While it is in legacy the risk is less but still exists.
Can KVM supported nested virtualization? How good is Wine today in 2016 compared to 2010 for games? How good is the KVM port to Freebsd (I don't like system D)?
How exactly then will this work when one DNS server has a record for one Ip address and another points to another such as an anti Putin site?
Also the DNS is replicated off the core servers and trusted so your solution does not work unless you use your own DNS server but really who does this outside of IT geeks?
I had quite a life living in both Southern California and Alaska:-)
So, so Cal it is bad for global warming as the mediterian climate turns desert for both agriculture and water for citizens and Citris farmers. However, in Alaska WAHOO! Farmers who left Oklahoma in the dust bowl in the 1930's have moved north of Anchorage to Palmer. In the old days the frost free season was only barely 90 days north of Fairbanks central Alaska. Talk about TOUHGH!
Today it is more +120 days as 90 degree days occasionally showing up in the summer a few times a year. This means crops:-)
So there are winners and losers in a warmer climate. Alaska, Sweden, Russia, win in a warmer climate. Unfortunately Africa, India, California and others lose as winter weather systems that bring rain move farther norther.
So you say you can't say it is theoretically impossible to limit 10 megs per second per PC on a wifi? True most corporations have duplex 100 megs but that is mostly because if the PC/Phone is not connected to a router but rather a switch will have alot of chatter. 10 megs per second dedicated by a wifi router with no broadcasts storms should be fine enough.
In 2016 there really should be no wired connections unless in a cluster or data center in my opinion.
First off Hyper-V is a type 1 hypervisor. It runs underneath the OS as the host OS (in contrast to Vbox and VMware Workstation) is really another guest that runs on top of hyper-V.
Basically the hostOS is the parent with more control of the children guests. it is like this as the hypervisor runs at ring -1 underneath the kernal at the cpu.
I disagree as last weekend I cursed at VMware Workstation for being shitty in i/o and vowed never to run a type 2 hypervisor again. You need to create a switch as the parent guest (orginal host) needs to connect to the internet and have it shared with the other children or guests.
I am not saying I am a fan as I have not run KMS/Qemu or VMWare Sphere yet but Hyper-V is soo much better on my workstation with less bugs in my experience than with both workstation and virtualbox products. Just create a switch that is external and add that to yoru Vms and you should be good. It is not a bug but a feature as it is underneath everything and needs to share with your host or parent OS to your nic. It seems weird at first but makes sense from an architecture standpoint.
If this is automated running Edge as a container makes sense as Hyper-V supports shielded guests. As I type this I am already running under Hyper-V as I have this enabled on my 10 PC. I ran benchmarks.No difference in performance really besides 2 - 3 FPS in games. A container similiar to Docker makes sense and I hope Chrome follows!
It works fine on my surface pro 3. Maybe it is your hardware.
You did create an external switch called Internet right? Hyper-V is a type 1 hypervisor that runs underneath the OS so it needs a switch created first before it can share it with the host OS that runs on top of it
So basically you can opt out of the defered updates of delaying 3 to 4 months of updates to 10 like in the pro to 10 years. That can be a plus for certain industries like hospitals that need to have a certified FDA approved image.
Anything else? Especially for home users or even medium sized businesses for renting computers. I kind of like the idea of different channels like the pro where you can be 1 version behind with security or go older for just security updates.
Alright I want examples. If I am going to consult I can save customers money by using the pro version.
It seems slashdot as the last 5 years is turning into Stalins saying of repeat a lie enough and it will be truth. I see no reason why the enterprise version has more features.
From what I read here from slashdotters the pro version has no GPO support whatsoever, all commercials that take up full screen ads, all updates forced with no settings, etc. I have news? I own 10 pro! I see nothing of the sorts other than tinfoil hats getting +5s.
Yes the appstore puts on tiles that say try X and it yes I do not like the keystroke logger for telemetry. That bothers me! I have the ads off in settings in the pro and I defer updates for all but security by default and have a time set for when to install by default under 10 pro.
The only GPO out of 100 is a setting for a lock screen and disabling the telemetry. Big freaking deal.
I am open if I am wrong. I just hate the advice here that everyone needs to rent their own computers
Besides Telemetry I can not find any difference and this is repeated over and over like it is truth. What can the enterprise do that makes it worth renting my own computer over the pro?
I keep seeing that repeated here but only thing I can find it typing history isn't recorded.
My thinking is home users desperately need something like this if it uses shielded VM's that is in hyper-v in server 2016 and Windows 10 anniversary edition as corporations have Junipers and Cisco devices configured for things like rejected spoofed IP addresses and rogue IP's pretending to be routers to poison DNS etc. Home based routers lack these options.
A network shielded VM can help for sure even if it does not eliminate all holes for bad javascript applets.
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Dude it is an old now almost 3years old and soon to be 3 generations behind with Kaby Lake. Why is it still $325 wtf?
I am guessing XP and 7 loyalists are bringing prices up? It makes no sense as you can get a new CPU for around same price.
But both Hyper-V and VMware workstation and even vsphere run fine without iommu with the regular VT/X or vt-v instructions so I blame KMS.
It looks like I would have to stick with Intel graphics on the host and buy a new CPU. My i7 4770k supports vt-x but not vt-d for I/0 virtualization needed for the GPU
Agree. I read 70% somewhere when it was in insider still!
What were they thinking? Does it really absolutely have to be released for a deadline?! No MS this is not XP here to say stop. MS is terrifyed that win 7 is going to be the XP but what they do not realize is they are causing this.
MS needs to unbranched fixes so they can take out one buggy thing and add code that works to fix the others .... Please for the love of God test internally again with real hardware and VMS
That's the problem.
What is odd is my support buddies who do small business get weird tickets for all pcs with same hardware and software stack every 3 weeks when an update hits. Stuff like 6 out of 25 pcs looped rebooting for 6 hours while others worked fine?!
The problem is they are losing customers and one wants to sue! Basically all the computers with XP worked fine before YOU came and cost us $5000 in lost business! They are now viewed as incompetent all thanks to Windows 10.
True XP doesn't have these problems.
Is MS going to change and rehire their QA? Windows 7 is old now and 2019 is coming fast! What does a company and IT shop do? This is going to be bad as the 7 holdouts like the XP brethren before can't stay forever in the business world who needs support ... but shit keep working
Actually no. You still get updated 3 times a month. What deferred updates do is put your pc in the previous build channel. So you would an update too for build 1577 instead of anniversary. Same fixes. If you have deferred updates enabled and you already have anniversary edition you are screwed as you will get this update.
Basically it just means you stay on previous build for 3 to 4 months. You still get cumulative updates
No I will use an OS that works for me and not the other way around thank you very much.
I am now back at 8.1 and will consider Linux or Freebsd again soon in the coming months. KVM/ qemu or unRAID maybe mature enough for me to run my few games and MS labs. In the meantime time I need something that works and going into airline mode or run non secure obsolete non patched operating systems is absurd.
Ha nice try for the non enterprise edition crowd. I had defer updates turned on and still got it!
This is bullshit. Third buggy update since August 1st. Just removed it from my system but MS surface pro 3 I have won't run 8.1. Worse new Zen and Krabylake CPUs won't support anything but 10 either!!
I went from anti MS zealot in 1998 to pro Freebsd to then pro MS by the time of Windows 7 ... To maybe back around.
This is the first time in a long time that I am highly discouraging business use of MS. I know on slashdot this is a no duh moment, but for the rest of us used to MS Office, Active Directory, and things just working, this is big news.
I agree with Hairyfeet that Linux historically has broken more with updates than Windows due to shit never changing in Windows and a strong abi that Linux lacks which means drivers do not break and require a recompile. Looking at you Xorg and Nvidia! But with Ubuntu LTS I do not have that problem.
Freebsd also has an ABI too for stuff not breaking.
But man Windows 10 anniversary update is a cluster fuck and so is Office 2016. I LOVE both. On a tablet like my surface Windows 10 is decent. No it is. Outlook 2016 now has attachments available for a whole chain of emails which is nice in a thread. But ... BIG but Windows 10/Office 2016 is win32 Gentoo! Nothing ever stays just working. I do not have confidence that my systems will STAY working whether rebooting while I am working on something or Hyper-V all of the sudden not work.
The only reason I am still using Windows is because of steam games, virtualization with a real non buggy type 1 Hyper-V (VMware workstation sucks hairballs), and I make a living with Microsoft based technologies. So I am going back to 8.1 with start8 from object desktop.
However, with no QA what is to say some updates won't trash 8 or 7? While it is in legacy the risk is less but still exists.
Can KVM supported nested virtualization? How good is Wine today in 2016 compared to 2010 for games? How good is the KVM port to Freebsd (I don't like system D)?
How exactly then will this work when one DNS server has a record for one Ip address and another points to another such as an anti Putin site?
Also the DNS is replicated off the core servers and trusted so your solution does not work unless you use your own DNS server but really who does this outside of IT geeks?
I wonder what his progress is and yes the US constitution clearly says both houses must vote for Obama to do this
Finding real bugs ... in a swamp .... in Florida .... or Alaska on the tundra marshes
Because facts state that Blackberry was dominant until the iPhone came out. The iPhone changed everything and blackberry never recovered.
It depends where?
I had quite a life living in both Southern California and Alaska :-)
So, so Cal it is bad for global warming as the mediterian climate turns desert for both agriculture and water for citizens and Citris farmers. However, in Alaska WAHOO! Farmers who left Oklahoma in the dust bowl in the 1930's have moved north of Anchorage to Palmer. In the old days the frost free season was only barely 90 days north of Fairbanks central Alaska. Talk about TOUHGH!
Today it is more +120 days as 90 degree days occasionally showing up in the summer a few times a year. This means crops :-)
So there are winners and losers in a warmer climate. Alaska, Sweden, Russia, win in a warmer climate. Unfortunately Africa, India, California and others lose as winter weather systems that bring rain move farther norther.
So you say you can't say it is theoretically impossible to limit 10 megs per second per PC on a wifi? True most corporations have duplex 100 megs but that is mostly because if the PC/Phone is not connected to a router but rather a switch will have alot of chatter. 10 megs per second dedicated by a wifi router with no broadcasts storms should be fine enough.
In 2016 there really should be no wired connections unless in a cluster or data center in my opinion.
First off Hyper-V is a type 1 hypervisor. It runs underneath the OS as the host OS (in contrast to Vbox and VMware Workstation) is really another guest that runs on top of hyper-V.
Basically the hostOS is the parent with more control of the children guests. it is like this as the hypervisor runs at ring -1 underneath the kernal at the cpu.
I disagree as last weekend I cursed at VMware Workstation for being shitty in i/o and vowed never to run a type 2 hypervisor again. You need to create a switch as the parent guest (orginal host) needs to connect to the internet and have it shared with the other children or guests.
I am not saying I am a fan as I have not run KMS/Qemu or VMWare Sphere yet but Hyper-V is soo much better on my workstation with less bugs in my experience than with both workstation and virtualbox products. Just create a switch that is external and add that to yoru Vms and you should be good. It is not a bug but a feature as it is underneath everything and needs to share with your host or parent OS to your nic. It seems weird at first but makes sense from an architecture standpoint.
If this is automated running Edge as a container makes sense as Hyper-V supports shielded guests. As I type this I am already running under Hyper-V as I have this enabled on my 10 PC. I ran benchmarks.No difference in performance really besides 2 - 3 FPS in games. A container similiar to Docker makes sense and I hope Chrome follows!
Cell phones do not seem to have this problem.
It works fine on my surface pro 3. Maybe it is your hardware.
You did create an external switch called Internet right? Hyper-V is a type 1 hypervisor that runs underneath the OS so it needs a switch created first before it can share it with the host OS that runs on top of it
Sure there are. %appdata%/lowrights is where apps like IE and Chrome are sandboxed with restricted privileges for threads
SInce 1990 we were promised IDF closets would be a thing of the past.
Everyone would use wifi and VOIP by the year 2000. We all have fast cell phones so why can't our offices use the same?
Thanks for your reply
So basically you can opt out of the defered updates of delaying 3 to 4 months of updates to 10 like in the pro to 10 years. That can be a plus for certain industries like hospitals that need to have a certified FDA approved image.
Anything else? Especially for home users or even medium sized businesses for renting computers. I kind of like the idea of different channels like the pro where you can be 1 version behind with security or go older for just security updates.
Alright I want examples. If I am going to consult I can save customers money by using the pro version.
It seems slashdot as the last 5 years is turning into Stalins saying of repeat a lie enough and it will be truth. I see no reason why the enterprise version has more features.
From what I read here from slashdotters the pro version has no GPO support whatsoever, all commercials that take up full screen ads, all updates forced with no settings, etc. I have news? I own 10 pro! I see nothing of the sorts other than tinfoil hats getting +5s.
Yes the appstore puts on tiles that say try X and it yes I do not like the keystroke logger for telemetry. That bothers me! I have the ads off in settings in the pro and I defer updates for all but security by default and have a time set for when to install by default under 10 pro.
The only GPO out of 100 is a setting for a lock screen and disabling the telemetry. Big freaking deal.
I am open if I am wrong. I just hate the advice here that everyone needs to rent their own computers
What are they?
Besides Telemetry I can not find any difference and this is repeated over and over like it is truth. What can the enterprise do that makes it worth renting my own computer over the pro?
Hyper-V in Windows 10 anniversary and server 2016 supported nested virtualization so yes it will work.
What is wrong with the pro version?
I keep seeing that repeated here but only thing I can find it typing history isn't recorded.
My thinking is home users desperately need something like this if it uses shielded VM's that is in hyper-v in server 2016 and Windows 10 anniversary edition as corporations have Junipers and Cisco devices configured for things like rejected spoofed IP addresses and rogue IP's pretending to be routers to poison DNS etc. Home based routers lack these options.
A network shielded VM can help for sure even if it does not eliminate all holes for bad javascript applets.
I run Hyper-V at home and never seen this problem.
Which games have problem with this?