I have to agree with you. For me NS 4.7 rarely crashes and i leave the java turned on. I find it much better thann 4.6 mainly because 4.6 wouldn't allow me to see the java interface for the documentation and administration of IBM Websphere 2.03 I installed.
Maybe I'm just not surfing to the correct sites...
Come on. I don't mean to be nasty here but if you don't want one with colour, don't buy one. Vote with your pocket book. Stick to the old b&w if that's what your prefer.
But remember, many people would prefer one with colour. Why? Ease of use, if programmed to use colour effectively and consistancy with their current desktop (which is most likely colour). This kind of innovation isn't meant for us (programmers et al), it's meant for pointy-hairs and housewives who don't really care if the battery life is 20% shorter or that it needs more ram. It looks cool, its familiar and it looks modern. They are more likely to use it and thus expand the palm user base (more sales, more $). With a desktop with millions of colours, why would an ordinary person want to use a PDA with the same graphical capabilities as the Iron Man watch?
Convergence is comming down the road, when Palms etc will be much more powerful and integrated (Bluetooth) with cell phones and other computers. For this to be accepted BY REGULAR PEOPLE, the interface will have to be full colour GUI. Plam is just competing with CE head on now.
Me? I'd prefer one with some "Mini-Linux" runing E in full colour...that would be cool.
Yeah baby! Yeah! Go ultra-right-wing reactioary brother!! So where do you buy your fertilizer and diesel fuel? I hear Ryder is ok but Atlas has the best bombs, er, MOVING VANS!
BTW, all of the above is sarcasm you inbred twit. I hope you and all your kind die a slow natural death very soon.And take your guns with you...
Gee if it is that hard to land remotely, perhaps we need to admit that one of the only sure ways to avoid this kind of disaster in the future is to let a human pilot control the craft in real time...by being there!
Neil Armstrong saved the first moon landing by flying the LEM over a giant boulder (which a robot lander would have hit) because he could make decisions based on the immediate circumstances. If it is still too costly to send people, perhaps we need better computers - AI systems which could simulate the emergency decision making processes of a crack pilot like Armstrong.
Until that time, expect a lot more of these failures...small, cheap and fast just doesn't seem to be doing what NASA thought it could.
BTW, I'm more inclined to believe in "other" reasons for the failure of this and other Mars missions (at least 2 previous US missions and 2 previous Soviet missions). Kinda makes you wonder...
I'm willing to bet all the colour bashers I've read so far don't use a GUI on their regular boxes - they are green-screen commandline-cowboys. That's fine. If you don't want a colour Palm, don't buy one...stick to the greyscale. But don't tell me or anyone else who wishes to buy a colour version we are somehow wrong, or wasting our battery money. It's our choice. And I'd much rather have the choice of colour Palm vs colour WinCE vs LinCE with X in colour (please SANTA, please!). Humans have evolved the ability to see in colour for a reason, why shouldn't any device which offers a graphical interface take advantage of it (hell you can even do colour in curses, but I don't hear people complaining that coloured text takes up too much memory!).
Then, leave it to the market, if no-one buys colour Palms, I'm fairly certain they will stop making them.
Me, I find it intriguing and interesting that I can do my notes, appointments, scheduling, play MP3s and video games as well as view pictures on one handled device...
PS North of the 49th, that is how you spell colour.
BTW, for all the "why not Open Source" whiners out there, 18 months ago, this project WAS open sourced. You could volunteer, talk directly to the project leaders and hack the code all you wanted. This was during the DEVELOPMENT phase. When the development was finished, the client was closed. Where were the whiners when you could get the source? I got 2 different versions of it to play with (though I don't have them now, since I've nuked my hd a few times since then). The client is NOT a commercial product. Open source is great for commercial products because it continuously improves the quality of the code and design. A commercial product needs this improvement to stay competitive. The SETI@HOME client does not need this. It is doing what it was designed to do for this experiment just fine. There is no "competing product" to stay caught up to or surpass. In 2 years, when the experiment is over, so will the SETI@HOME client. Therefore, any of the benefits of OSS development have already been utilised by by SETI@HOME. It doesn't need to be tweaked or spead up or become more efficient. It simply needs to be used by 'volunteers' the way the project leaders have designed it. If you can't abide by their request, don't volunteer. If you don't like the way it works, don't use it.
If SETI@HOME didn't have their ranking scheme, would we be even having this discussion? I think that was their only mistake....
No they don't. I'm still using the first client on my Win 98 machine and have 29 units complete and counting...they're being proicessed this very minute.
Uhm...then don't run it. Your choice. Me? My machine behaves just fine and I don't care how fast my work units get processes. I'm doing this to help out a program which lost all its funding in 1993 because some senator couldn't get a Radio Telescope in his constituancy (or some other equally stupid reason). This is for the science. If your moral code doesn't allow you to run it, don't.
Of course, what does this have to do with Open Source? If you don't like they way they do it, create your own version. I may not like Word, but I'm not demanding MS open source it, I'll use KOffice, StarOffice et al or create my own. Let them identify the slice their way first then check it out...don't mess with it midway through the experiment. Your proposal is to do the experiment a different way. Do it, but changing the experiment half-way through makes no sense.
And I say once again: "Hey, if you don't like it, don't use it. It's their experiment we must participate on thier terms."
While I agree with you, I think you, and a lot of the other "Open Source SETI now" zealots have missed the point. This has more to do with scientific method and the ability to convince other scientists and observers than it does technology, algorithms, open-scource and computers. Seti@home is an experiment, not a software package...it just happens to use software to do the experiment.
If a signal is found, your right, it will be analyzed to death before it is announced. False ones will be rejected. But with any experiment, you must be sure that ALL conditions are the same everytime it is repeated, to be sure the results are as accurate as possible. If the source is opened, they have just lost that control...they cannot be sure (100%) that the analysis is repeated under the same conditions. As we have already seen, some people have tried to boost their scores by sending the same packets over and over or by sending false packets. While these will get filtered out, the project can still say their results are trustworthy because all analysis is the same - same implementation, same algorithm. Imagine if it is opened up and a signal is found. It will be processed, double checked and checked again. But when they announce it, there will be a large number of people (and scientists) who, for whatever reason, will refuse to believe it. They will then point to the lack of control over the source as a place where the data was either " messed up to give a false positive" or deliberately faked. As they say in court, they will have a "reasonable doubt". This is too important to have that kind of possible outcome.
Put it in another context - a group is experimenting with an AIDS (or ebola or something like that)vaccine and testing it in petrie dishes (this is an example, so excuse me if this doesn't really happen). They set up a bunch of dishes they had control over (washed and prepared themselves). They get some help from people outside the experiment who can make the dishes clearer or easier to handle or what ever. They check and double check and find that in a lot of the dishes the virus is killed quickly and in some it is not. How do you interpret these results? You don't - the experiment is invalid because you cannot safely say which pertrie dishes are which and don't know wether the results are due to your drug or due to some bleach left in the dish by those who prepared it (by accident or on purpose). You can only be sure about your dishes but you can't tell which ones are yours. The solution is to only use your own dishes.
I'm sorry for being long winded but I'm trying to stress a point. So open source can make the client more efficient and faster, who cares? Being sure of the results is what matters.
The sad part is these patches may have already made the experiment invalid for thse same reasons...considering the size and reach of the net, who knows how many "enhanced" clients are out there. It is possible that, if a signal is found (or missed, in which case we may not realize it) that all the redundancy checks were done on clients with the same or similar patches with the same calculation flaw and all becasue the project doesn't have complete control...and because some 19 year old wanted to be #1 on the SETI@home list.
Hey, if you don't like it, don't use it. It's their experiment we must participate on thier terms.
Nothing with Java per se, just with the current linux ports IMHO. My Blackdown jdk 1.1.7 is a real hog on memory (sorry guys - I guess it would help if Sun gave you more support), to the point where things I can do under NT or Win 98 don't have enough memory under RedHat 6.0 - like say run the Oracle installer (NT version ran fine, albeit slow, but the Linux version wouldn't run at all on different partitions of my PII 350 w 64 Meg RAM). Apart from that, the Java Serverlet doing all the processing on the server and just sending a generated web page back to the browser (or info back to the applet) is much more elegant and offers better control.
While I do agree with you about whistle blowers and free speech, I still stand by my original statement that it also allows some people to get away with saying things or making accusations wich would be illegal in person, in the newspaper or on the radio. The internet is a great, morally neutral tool - if it allows whistle blowers to get out info without being found out, its good...if it allows a couple of groups spread vicous lies and misinformation, its bad. My main point was less about the internet and more about the courage and ethics of the people (JP/KW/ACs) involved with this story - they can say anything they want on the net without any immediate consequences because they are Anon. or at a distance. If they were given the same opportunity in peron (with the same "protections" such as people separating them) most of these immature punks could say have the stuff they type while looking at the person's face - no courage, no conviction.
So, just because there is an internet, can I type 'FIRE' in a crowded chat room?
Listening to JP, all the/.ers who hate him and Ken Williams/Attrition/et al reminds me of the the kids I used to work with at a children's mental health center up here in Canada - lots of fighting but niether side is "right".
Its ironic that one of the things the internet has in abundance is information but one of the things it lacks are facts.
I don't know much about JP, atrition.org or Ken Williams. I am familiar with the some of the issues but I don't know the facts. Did JP hire people to hack sites so he could scoop the news? Maybe. Did Ken Williams post a picture of his 17 year old sister on his site, thus causing script kiddie idiots to harass her? Maybe. Is attrition.org using satire or personal atttacks? Maybe. I don't know.
I haven't seen a verifiable copy of any e-mails, police reports, alleged innapropriate web pages, confessions by those hired by JP (after they have been arrested, or if they use their real names so they can be checked out). I have only read one sides's propoganda or the other and frankly I don't believe anybody. Both sides appear to be lying to make themselves look good - nothing but mud-slinging, half-truth ad-homenem attacks from a couple of immature twits. What a waste of my time and energy.
Rob, Hemos, how about a follow up to this with actually documents and verifyable evidence on both sides so we can draw our own conclusions? Maybe get a neutral third party to investigate (don't ask me who though). Otherwise there is nothing here but a couple of kids yelling at each other in the school year and crying to their friends for help.
BTW, If either of my sisters had been treated like that, I wouldn't have fired off an e-mail to Harvard...I'd have driven to the maintainer's house and opened up a can of ass-wuppin'...But I digress (feel free to interpret this anyway you like it...suffice it to say somebody would have gone to jail). I guess that's what having the web and the impersonal internet does...it let's you say stuff online that you would never have the balls to say if the person was standing in front of you.
I've used Visual Age for C++ under NT (and VA for Smalltalk!) and I would rate it OK. As someone mentioned earlier, it's a little bloated and slow at times. For Java, I prefer Visual Cafe by Symantec...Now if only THEY would port to Linux.
IDE's are fine, I'm just wondering when we will get a decent JDK port for Linux..No use having a good IDE if your JDK is too slow, or hogs too much memory or doesn't run from a common place on the file system
A better question is has anyone managed to Install 8i on Linux? I have a PII 350 with a 2.5 Gig Linux partition and 64 Meg of Ram and yet I can't even get the 8i installer to run (with the Blackdown JDK 1.1.7 -./runInstaller says "Initializing jre from/usr/local/jre/bin/jre. Please wait..." then nothing...back to the bash$ prompt). Maybe this is good - maybe Oracle or RedHat will contribute to creating a decent jdk/jre for linux so all the fancy tools will run...maybe they will even include one in the distribution/installation. (Do I sound frustrated yet?) BTW, I was able to install 8i Enterprise on the NT partition of the same machine with no problems. I guess my point is I hope this "specialization" improves installation and maintenance hassles
I whole heartedly agree...maybe some of the yahoo's on/. who don't want to make Linux easy to use for everyday people should read this book. Then have a new look at all the flames when someone says installing Linux is hard, setting up PPP is hard etc, they may actually be believed in stead of ridiculed
Well, I don't know what crawled up the ass of the two previous posters but I have to agree. One of the greatest tricks of propaganda was to demonize the ememy. We did it in WWII to the Japanese and that let us inter them. The Germans did it to the Jews and that let them kill millions. You can only truely kill and wage war when you no longer see your enemy as human. (When the people of Viet Nam and even the VC were broadcast on TV every night and seen by the Amercian public as humans, it was awful hard to wage that war...Hence no real media coverage of the Gulf War). The real danger of this game is the whole Christian morality it has built into it - You can only win if you choose to be an Angel, not a Demon (contrasted with Doom or Quake where it doesn't matter about your character (pun intended), just about your skill). Those people who do not follow the Christian religion's teachings are Demons, therefore the enemy and therefore you are allowed to kill them (think this is far fetched? As Mrs. Bernard Slefian (sp?) in Buffalo if people think like this). Doom and Quake, as far as I can tell, carry no such underlying message - shoot'em up in a cartoon world where you restart to comeback to life. It's pretty obviously morally neutral violence. Now the same can be said about this War in Heaven game...but if Doom and Quake are bad, War in Heaven is worse because it links the violence to an identifiable group (those who do not believe in Christian ideas or dogma) and clearly rigged so one side wins (Christians)
Is this a diatribe against Christianity? Yes, at this particular time it is, but if you change the names in the game to Capitalist (Angel) and Communist(Demon) it is just as wrong....
Maybe if it were possible for the Demons to win, it wouldn't be too bad...
BTW, if a group of Muslims wrote this game where the names were Mulahs (Angels) and Infidels (Christians), would any of the people who posted here in defense of this game still do so? I don't thinks so...they'd be the ones using my arguements...
Let's not paint all journalists with the same quality of journalistic brush as MTV. The are NOT journalists...they produce entertainment. Should they be scorned for trying to pass off their entertainment as journalism? Absolutely. Should the rest of the journalistic world be smeared becasue of them? No, that's illogical. How many excellent stories on the Hacking/Cracking culture have been produced? (I'm actually asking because I don't know)Would 60 minutes, the Fifth Estate, Nightline or the Washington Post do such a story? Maybe but I doubt it. When I was in j-school 10 years ago (Carleton University in Ottawa, best around) and worked as a journalist, you risked failure and possible expulsion for knowingly or unknowingly presenting something as the truth that wasn't (which is why you always double and triple check your facts - there are lawsuits galore out there!).
I like to think this puts MTV in league with Jerry Springer and Jenny Jones not with 60 minutes or Nightline. BTW at some point, even with fact checking, it can come down to trust. If your so-called "expert" is telling blatant lies that you have no way of checking (ever tried to ask some basic question on some of the hack/crack news groups? - Not likely to get a straight anwser) what do you expect a journalist (NOT a CompSci major or techie of any kind, a journalist)to put out as the Truth?
Funny... we treat them like idiots, refuse to teach them stuff and even outright lie to them, then act righteously indignant and surprised when the get it wrong or get suckered in. Now that doesn't sound very mature does it...
Thanks. Great idea. Too bad I didn't think of somthing that obvious. Actually this was never mentioned in any of the LDP docs either... The defense rests.
Hey don't get me wrong..I agree but the first guy just wasn't being clear...and the context in which Windows 4.0 (along with Access97) seemed to indicate tha what was meant was Word. I think its just as wrong to refer to an exiting product by a name it might have had 5 years ago as it is to call it by the name of a compleely different product.
Everything in your post is true. Microsoft has terrible business practices which are obvious. But we don't need to make up lies and half truth inuendos to get back at them. that just makes us look bad. MS is doing fimne on their own...
For all my US comaptriotes out there, a little lesson in Canadian government. First off they are just holding hearings. Translation - a few old judges and back-bench politicians are going to yammer about this for a long time. They may get around to doing something, they may not. They may have the price stay at 25 cents, they may drop it. If enough Canadians make a stink about this they may just drop it (after all they already backed it off for almost 6 months for the same reason). Even if they do pass it, it will not last long. Someone before mentioned about people heading across to the US or getting blank CD-Rs from Natives on border reservation. Well, the same thing happened a few years ago. Cigarettes, clearly a dangerous product that should not be promoted in any way, used to cost $7 Can a pack. When the US stores and smoke smuggelers began to make gobs of money while mom and pop stores in downtown Toronto went out of business, the hue and cry of a relatively small affected group cause our Prime Minister (Jean Chretien) to drop the taxes so that smokes are now about $2.50 to $3.00 a pack. If the public can force the government to drop the price of smokes by more than half in one shot (literally $7.00 on Monday and $2.35 on Tuesday morning), dropping the CD-R tax should be real easy.
Funny...after the debacle a few days ago bashing users for not knowing anything about programs, its refreshing to see a Slashdot nerd who obviously doesn't know the difference between WORD and Windows ( or that "Windows 4.0" is actually called Windows 95).
As for your arguement, well let me see....vmlinux 1.0 had some bugs - it worked just enough to get some people to "invest" their time and expertise to make it all the way to vmlinux 2.10, which argueable works much better than it's predessesors but could still use some work....
Seems to me your knocking progressive software development. Now if you mean that Access 1.0 performance was faked to fraudulently get people and money to invest in 2.0 (that is, Access never really did what it was supposed to, it was all faked) then say so with some proof.
Otherwise you just as guilty of spreading FUD as MS. Perhaps a reread of the Linux Advocacy HOWTO...
My point was that the learning curve can be flattened (learning to drive an automatic Tranny is way easier than a standard) with good design. Learning is not taken out of the equation just shifted...I can learn to drive a car but never know how to fix it or even do basic maintenance. By the same token, I can learn to use a well designed peice of software with out getting too deep into how a computer works ("My modems a Pentium"). More people are using computers and were getting more of these questions. Now are we just going to laugh at them and call them stupid (which may make us all feel better for the treatment we got from most of these same people in High school) or are going to listen to them...if they are having problems with our products, then that should say something about our design. If you don't respond, somebody else will...and then you'll be out of a job.(or out of business).
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I have to agree with you. For me NS 4.7 rarely crashes and i leave the java turned on. I find it much better thann 4.6 mainly because 4.6 wouldn't allow me to see the java interface for the documentation and administration of IBM Websphere 2.03 I installed.
Maybe I'm just not surfing to the correct sites...
Perhaps you'd prefer one with a command prompt?
Come on. I don't mean to be nasty here but if you don't want one with colour, don't buy one. Vote with your pocket book. Stick to the old b&w if that's what your prefer.
But remember, many people would prefer one with colour. Why?
Ease of use, if programmed to use colour effectively and consistancy with their current desktop (which is most likely colour). This kind of innovation isn't meant for us (programmers et al), it's meant for pointy-hairs and housewives who don't really care if the battery life is 20% shorter or that it needs more ram. It looks cool, its familiar and it looks modern. They are more likely to use it and thus expand the palm user base (more sales, more $). With a desktop with millions of colours, why would an ordinary person want to use a PDA with the same graphical capabilities as the Iron Man watch?
Convergence is comming down the road, when Palms etc will be much more powerful and integrated (Bluetooth) with cell phones and other computers. For this to be accepted BY REGULAR PEOPLE, the interface will have to be full colour GUI. Plam is just competing with CE head on now.
Me? I'd prefer one with some "Mini-Linux" runing E in full colour...that would be cool.
On a note somewhat unrelated note, I've tried to go to fatbrain.com all morning and I simply get:
Error- 404
Requested Information
www.fatbrain.com//
is unavailable. Failed to connect to server
www.fatbrain.com (80)
reason: hostname unknown
http-gw version 4.1 / 2 (167.92.107.160)
Any idea what's going on? All seemed well last week when I visited the site. Are they suffereing a DDoS because they run asp?
The usual link doesn't work.
Yeah baby! Yeah!
Go ultra-right-wing reactioary brother!!
So where do you buy your fertilizer and diesel fuel? I hear Ryder is ok but Atlas has the best bombs, er, MOVING VANS!
BTW, all of the above is sarcasm you inbred twit. I hope you and all your kind die a slow natural death very soon.And take your guns with you...
I hope your sig is refering to the last audible line of "Are You Experienced?" by Hendrix, cuz that's where it came from in 1968...
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Gee if it is that hard to land remotely, perhaps we need to admit that one of the only sure ways to avoid this kind of disaster in the future is to let a human pilot control the craft in real time...by being there!
Neil Armstrong saved the first moon landing by flying the LEM over a giant boulder (which a robot lander would have hit) because he could make decisions based on the immediate circumstances. If it is still too costly to send people, perhaps we need better computers - AI systems which could simulate the emergency decision making processes of a crack pilot like Armstrong.
Until that time, expect a lot more of these failures...small, cheap and fast just doesn't seem to be doing what NASA thought it could.
BTW, I'm more inclined to believe in "other" reasons for the failure of this and other Mars missions (at least 2 previous US missions and 2 previous Soviet missions). Kinda makes you wonder...
I'm willing to bet all the colour bashers I've read so far don't use a GUI on their regular boxes - they are green-screen commandline-cowboys. That's fine. If you don't want a colour Palm, don't buy one...stick to the greyscale. But don't tell me or anyone else who wishes to buy a colour version we are somehow wrong, or wasting our battery money. It's our choice. And I'd much rather have the choice of colour Palm vs colour WinCE vs LinCE with X in colour (please SANTA, please!). Humans have evolved the ability to see in colour for a reason, why shouldn't any device which offers a graphical interface take advantage of it (hell you can even do colour in curses, but I don't hear people complaining that coloured text takes up too much memory!).
Then, leave it to the market, if no-one buys colour Palms, I'm fairly certain they will stop making them.
Me, I find it intriguing and interesting that I can do my notes, appointments, scheduling, play MP3s and video games as well as view pictures on one handled device...
PS North of the 49th, that is how you spell colour.
BTW, for all the "why not Open Source" whiners out there, 18 months ago, this project WAS open sourced. You could volunteer, talk directly to the project leaders and hack the code all you wanted. This was during the DEVELOPMENT phase. When the development was finished, the client was closed. Where were the whiners when you could get the source? I got 2 different versions of it to play with (though I don't have them now, since I've nuked my hd a few times since then). The client is NOT a commercial product. Open source is great for commercial products because it continuously improves the quality of the code and design. A commercial product needs this improvement to stay competitive. The SETI@HOME client does not need this. It is doing what it was designed to do for this experiment just fine. There is no "competing product" to stay caught up to or surpass. In 2 years, when the experiment is over, so will the SETI@HOME client. Therefore, any of the benefits of OSS development have already been utilised by by SETI@HOME. It doesn't need to be tweaked or spead up or become more efficient. It simply needs to be used by 'volunteers' the way the project leaders have designed it. If you can't abide by their request, don't volunteer. If you don't like the way it works, don't use it.
If SETI@HOME didn't have their ranking scheme, would we be even having this discussion? I think that was their only mistake....
They already used the Open Source model...
No they don't. I'm still using the first client on my Win 98 machine and have 29 units complete and counting...they're being proicessed this very minute.
Uhm...then don't run it. Your choice. Me? My machine behaves just fine and I don't care how fast my work units get processes. I'm doing this to help out a program which lost all its funding in 1993 because some senator couldn't get a Radio Telescope in his constituancy (or some other equally stupid reason). This is for the science. If your moral code doesn't allow you to run it, don't.
Point well taken.
Of course, what does this have to do with Open Source? If you don't like they way they do it, create your own version. I may not like Word, but I'm not demanding MS open source it, I'll use KOffice, StarOffice et al or create my own. Let them identify the slice their way first then check it out...don't mess with it midway through the experiment. Your proposal is to do the experiment a different way. Do it, but changing the experiment half-way through makes no sense.
And I say once again:
"Hey, if you don't like it, don't use it. It's their experiment we must participate on thier terms."
While I agree with you, I think you, and a lot of the other "Open Source SETI now" zealots have missed the point. This has more to do with scientific method and the ability to convince other scientists and observers than it does technology, algorithms, open-scource and computers. Seti@home is an experiment, not a software package...it just happens to use software to do the experiment.
If a signal is found, your right, it will be analyzed to death before it is announced. False ones will be rejected. But with any experiment, you must be sure that ALL conditions are the same everytime it is repeated, to be sure the results are as accurate as possible. If the source is opened, they have just lost that control...they cannot be sure (100%) that the analysis is repeated under the same conditions. As we have already seen, some people have tried to boost their scores by sending the same packets over and over or by sending false packets. While these will get filtered out, the project can still say their results are trustworthy because all analysis is the same - same implementation, same algorithm. Imagine if it is opened up and a signal is found. It will be processed, double checked and checked again. But when they announce it, there will be a large number of people (and scientists) who, for whatever reason, will refuse to believe it. They will then point to the lack of control over the source as a place where the data was either " messed up to give a false positive" or deliberately faked. As they say in court, they will have a "reasonable doubt". This is too important to have that kind of possible outcome.
Put it in another context - a group is experimenting with an AIDS (or ebola or something like that)vaccine and testing it in petrie dishes (this is an example, so excuse me if this doesn't really happen). They set up a bunch of dishes they had control over (washed and prepared themselves). They get some help from people outside the experiment who can make the dishes clearer or easier to handle or what ever. They check and double check and find that in a lot of the dishes the virus is killed quickly and in some it is not. How do you interpret these results? You don't - the experiment is invalid because you cannot safely say which pertrie dishes are which and don't know wether the results are due to your drug or due to some bleach left in the dish by those who prepared it (by accident or on purpose). You can only be sure about your dishes but you can't tell which ones are yours. The solution is to only use your own dishes.
I'm sorry for being long winded but I'm trying to stress a point. So open source can make the client more efficient and faster, who cares? Being sure of the results is what matters.
The sad part is these patches may have already made the experiment invalid for thse same reasons...considering the size and reach of the net, who knows how many "enhanced" clients are out there. It is possible that, if a signal is found (or missed, in which case we may not realize it) that all the redundancy checks were done on clients with the same or similar patches with the same calculation flaw and all becasue the project doesn't have complete control...and because some 19 year old wanted to be #1 on the SETI@home list.
Hey, if you don't like it, don't use it. It's their experiment we must participate on thier terms.
Nothing with Java per se, just with the current linux ports IMHO. My Blackdown jdk 1.1.7 is a real hog on memory (sorry guys - I guess it would help if Sun gave you more support), to the point where things I can do under NT or Win 98 don't have enough memory under RedHat 6.0 - like say run the Oracle installer (NT version ran fine, albeit slow, but the Linux version wouldn't run at all on different partitions of my PII 350 w 64 Meg RAM).
Apart from that, the Java Serverlet doing all the processing on the server and just sending a generated web page back to the browser (or info back to the applet) is much more elegant and offers better control.
Just my 2 cents Cdn...
Feel free to disagree.
While I do agree with you about whistle blowers and free speech, I still stand by my original statement that it also allows some people to get away with saying things or making accusations wich would be illegal in person, in the newspaper or on the radio. The internet is a great, morally neutral tool - if it allows whistle blowers to get out info without being found out, its good...if it allows a couple of groups spread vicous lies and misinformation, its bad. My main point was less about the internet and more about the courage and ethics of the people (JP/KW/ACs) involved with this story - they can say anything they want on the net without any immediate consequences because they are Anon. or at a distance. If they were given the same opportunity in peron (with the same "protections" such as people separating them) most of these immature punks could say have the stuff they type while looking at the person's face - no courage, no conviction.
So, just because there is an internet, can I type 'FIRE' in a crowded chat room?
Listening to JP, all the /.ers who hate him and Ken Williams/Attrition/et al reminds me of the the kids I used to work with at a children's mental health center up here in Canada - lots of fighting but niether side is "right".
Its ironic that one of the things the internet has in abundance is information but one of the things it lacks are facts.
I don't know much about JP, atrition.org or Ken Williams. I am familiar with the some of the issues but I don't know the facts. Did JP hire people to hack sites so he could scoop the news? Maybe. Did Ken Williams post a picture of his 17 year old sister on his site, thus causing script kiddie idiots to harass her? Maybe. Is attrition.org using satire or personal atttacks? Maybe. I don't know.
I haven't seen a verifiable copy of any e-mails, police reports, alleged innapropriate web pages, confessions by those hired by JP (after they have been arrested, or if they use their real names so they can be checked out). I have only read one sides's propoganda or the other and frankly I don't believe anybody. Both sides appear to be lying to make themselves look good - nothing but mud-slinging, half-truth ad-homenem attacks from a couple of immature twits. What a waste of my time and energy.
Rob, Hemos, how about a follow up to this with actually documents and verifyable evidence on both sides so we can draw our own conclusions? Maybe get a neutral third party to investigate (don't ask me who though). Otherwise there is nothing here but a couple of kids yelling at each other in the school year and crying to their friends for help.
BTW, If either of my sisters had been treated like that, I wouldn't have fired off an e-mail to Harvard...I'd have driven to the maintainer's house and opened up a can of ass-wuppin'...But I digress (feel free to interpret this anyway you like it...suffice it to say somebody would have gone to jail). I guess that's what having the web and the impersonal internet does...it let's you say stuff online that you would never have the balls to say if the person was standing in front of you.
I've used Visual Age for C++ under NT (and VA for Smalltalk!) and I would rate it OK. As someone mentioned earlier, it's a little bloated and slow at times. For Java, I prefer Visual Cafe by Symantec...Now if only THEY would port to Linux.
IDE's are fine, I'm just wondering when we will get a decent JDK port for Linux..No use having a good IDE if your JDK is too slow, or hogs too much memory or doesn't run from a common place on the file system
A better question is has anyone managed to Install 8i on Linux? I have a PII 350 with a 2.5 Gig Linux partition and 64 Meg of Ram and yet I can't even get the 8i installer to run (with the Blackdown JDK 1.1.7 - ./runInstaller says "Initializing jre from /usr/local/jre/bin/jre. Please wait..." then nothing...back to the bash$ prompt). Maybe this is good - maybe Oracle or RedHat will contribute to creating a decent jdk/jre for linux so all the fancy tools will run...maybe they will even include one in the distribution/installation. (Do I sound frustrated yet?) BTW, I was able to install 8i Enterprise on the NT partition of the same machine with no problems. I guess my point is I hope this "specialization" improves installation and maintenance hassles
I whole heartedly agree...maybe some of the yahoo's on /. who don't want to make Linux easy to use for everyday people should read this book. Then have a new look at all the flames when someone says installing Linux is hard, setting up PPP is hard etc, they may actually be believed in stead of ridiculed
Well, I don't know what crawled up the ass of the two previous posters but I have to agree. One of the greatest tricks of propaganda was to demonize the ememy. We did it in WWII to the Japanese and that let us inter them. The Germans did it to the Jews and that let them kill millions. You can only truely kill and wage war when you no longer see your enemy as human. (When the people of Viet Nam and even the VC were broadcast on TV every night and seen by the Amercian public as humans, it was awful hard to wage that war...Hence no real media coverage of the Gulf War).
The real danger of this game is the whole Christian morality it has built into it - You can only win if you choose to be an Angel, not a Demon (contrasted with Doom or Quake where it doesn't matter about your character (pun intended), just about your skill). Those people who do not follow the Christian religion's teachings are Demons, therefore the enemy and therefore you are allowed to kill them (think this is far fetched? As Mrs. Bernard Slefian (sp?) in Buffalo if people think like this).
Doom and Quake, as far as I can tell, carry no such underlying message - shoot'em up in a cartoon world where you restart to comeback to life. It's pretty obviously morally neutral violence.
Now the same can be said about this War in Heaven game...but if Doom and Quake are bad, War in Heaven is worse because it links the violence to an identifiable group (those who do not believe in Christian ideas or dogma) and clearly rigged so one side wins (Christians)
Is this a diatribe against Christianity? Yes, at this particular time it is, but if you change the names in the game to Capitalist (Angel) and Communist(Demon) it is just as wrong....
Maybe if it were possible for the Demons to win, it wouldn't be too bad...
BTW, if a group of Muslims wrote this game where the names were Mulahs (Angels) and Infidels (Christians), would any of the people who posted here in defense of this game still do so? I don't thinks so...they'd be the ones using my arguements...
Let's not paint all journalists with the same quality of journalistic brush as MTV. The are NOT journalists...they produce entertainment. Should they be scorned for trying to pass off their entertainment as journalism? Absolutely. Should the rest of the journalistic world be smeared becasue of them? No, that's illogical.
How many excellent stories on the Hacking/Cracking culture have been produced? (I'm actually asking because I don't know)Would 60 minutes, the Fifth Estate, Nightline or the Washington Post do such a story? Maybe but I doubt it. When I was in j-school 10 years ago (Carleton University in Ottawa, best around) and worked as a journalist, you risked failure and possible expulsion for knowingly or unknowingly presenting something as the truth that wasn't (which is why you always double and triple check your facts - there are lawsuits galore out there!).
I like to think this puts MTV in league with Jerry Springer and Jenny Jones not with 60 minutes or Nightline. BTW at some point, even with fact checking, it can come down to trust. If your so-called "expert" is telling blatant lies that you have no way of checking (ever tried to ask some basic question on some of the hack/crack news groups? - Not likely to get a straight anwser) what do you expect a journalist (NOT a CompSci major or techie of any kind, a journalist)to put out as the Truth?
Funny... we treat them like idiots, refuse to teach them stuff and even outright lie to them, then act righteously indignant and surprised when the get it wrong or get suckered in. Now that doesn't sound very mature does it...
Thanks.
Great idea. Too bad I didn't think of somthing that obvious.
Actually this was never mentioned in any of the LDP docs either...
The defense rests.
Hey don't get me wrong..I agree but the first guy just wasn't being clear. ..and the context in which Windows 4.0 (along with Access97) seemed to indicate tha what was meant was Word. I think its just as wrong to refer to an exiting product by a name it might have had 5 years ago as it is to call it by the name of a compleely different product.
Everything in your post is true. Microsoft has terrible business practices which are obvious. But we don't need to make up lies and half truth inuendos to get back at them. that just makes us look bad. MS is doing fimne on their own...
For all my US comaptriotes out there, a little lesson in Canadian government. First off they are just holding hearings. Translation - a few old judges and back-bench politicians are going to yammer about this for a long time. They may get around to doing something, they may not. They may have the price stay at 25 cents, they may drop it.
If enough Canadians make a stink about this they may just drop it (after all they already backed it off for almost 6 months for the same reason).
Even if they do pass it, it will not last long. Someone before mentioned about people heading across to the US or getting blank CD-Rs from Natives on border reservation. Well, the same thing happened a few years ago. Cigarettes, clearly a dangerous product that should not be promoted in any way, used to cost $7 Can a pack. When the US stores and smoke smuggelers began to make gobs of money while mom and pop stores in downtown Toronto went out of business, the hue and cry of a relatively small affected group cause our Prime Minister (Jean Chretien) to drop the taxes so that smokes are now about $2.50 to $3.00 a pack.
If the public can force the government to drop the price of smokes by more than half in one shot (literally $7.00 on Monday and $2.35 on Tuesday morning), dropping the CD-R tax should be real easy.
Funny...after the debacle a few days ago bashing users for not knowing anything about programs, its refreshing to see a Slashdot nerd who obviously doesn't know the difference between WORD and Windows ( or that "Windows 4.0" is actually called Windows 95).
As for your arguement, well let me see....vmlinux 1.0 had some bugs - it worked just enough to get some people to "invest" their time and expertise to make it all the way to vmlinux 2.10, which argueable works much better than it's predessesors but could still use some work....
Seems to me your knocking progressive software development. Now if you mean that Access 1.0 performance was faked to fraudulently get people and money to invest in 2.0 (that is, Access never really did what it was supposed to, it was all faked) then say so with some proof.
Otherwise you just as guilty of spreading FUD as MS. Perhaps a reread of the Linux Advocacy HOWTO...
My point was that the learning curve can be flattened (learning to drive an automatic Tranny is way easier than a standard) with good design. Learning is not taken out of the equation just shifted...I can learn to drive a car but never know how to fix it or even do basic maintenance. By the same token, I can learn to use a well designed peice of software with out getting too deep into how a computer works ("My modems a Pentium"). More people are using computers and were getting more of these questions. Now are we just going to laugh at them and call them stupid (which may make us all feel better for the treatment we got from most of these same people in High school) or are going to listen to them...if they are having problems with our products, then that should say something about our design. If you don't respond, somebody else will...and then you'll be out of a job.(or out of business).