Properly designed JSP/ASP/CFM/PHP should not have program logic in the presentation. But this is a problem of the coder and designer not of the technology. The JSP/ASP/CFM/PHP hold the presentation logic and compoments like servlets/Beans/EJBs/COM components/CORBA Orbs etc do all the aplication specific work. I've done this with both JSP and ASP (I like JSP better). Down on the farm, we call this MVC or even n-tier achetecture. Perhaps you've heard of it?
BTW, JSP performacne hits you speak of only happen on the first instance. All subsequent requests go to the already compiled servlet. I believe in some application servers (IBM WebSphere for instance) you can configure the JSP to be compiled on start up, so the user will neer see the performance hit, even if they are the first to hit the page.
Wow, somebody has a pickle up their ass about being in CS! (how snobbish).
I "learned" java in the real world by using it almost every day for applications. Your right - Java is not C nor is it C++. But have you ever heard of "the right tool for the right job"?
C/C++ is great for lower level code, device drivers or embedded systems. Java is excellent on the server as a replacement for CGI (ever heard of servlets/JSP? that's where all the action is these days - and its faster and less resource intensive than CGI). Any other software depends on what your creating and for whom.
Your right that Java is slow RIGHT NOW. But the same was said of C++ 10 years ago. I don't hear too many complaints about the speed of C++. Would I write a Word Processor in Java? Hell no, not until the JVM/JIT stuff gets way faster (although 1.3 is very quick, even with Swing). In C? Sure if I had a team of programmers and a couple of years...C++ would probably be a better choice.
Have you actually tried any 1.3 JDK implementations? I have and I find them way faster than anything previously created, almost as fast as C++ (even in GUI apps). Do you realize that written properly (eg NOT like a C/C++ program), with the proper patterns and optimizations, Java can be quite peppy?
Aparently not.
Before you slag a language or platform, try getting more knowledge than " 2 tutorials in the beginning of the semester that covered Java syntax and constructs" from an old CS prof would would rather write in Assembler or Fortran anyway. Follow your own advice and become informed by true experts in the field.
Does java have its problems? Sure..it nees better JVMs/JIT for better speed and STANDARDIZATION!(are you listening SUN?). That doesn't mean its not a viable development platform for the real world...and its getting better all the time.
BTW. In Java, multiple inheritance is done with little things known as interfaces...but I digress.
Kevin made most of his "expliots" through crafty SOCIAL engineering (read: lying) rather that clever computer hacking - he could convince sys admins to give out sensitive passwordsetc (and even tried his wiles on the police who were arresting him - see his 60 Minutes interview). Given all that, I suspect we are hearing a little more of Kevin's "engieering" in this latest controversy, so I take what I hear with a grain of salt.
BUT, having the government tell you that you cannot speak publicly (or publish) smacks of the worst of South African Appartied-era Ban laws or internal exile in the old Soviet union. I find this quite ironic comming from the "home of the free."
I say let him talk - but remember the Son of Sam Laws - its illegal to profit from a crime. Therefore let hime talk but confiscate that 20k and give it to some charity.
According to a CNN stroy this morning, it will be one OS comapny and one APPLICATIONS company.
"Applications" certainly covers everything that's not in the OS. I'd expect within the applications company there to be an office division, a development tools division, a games division etc.
But the story also says that they are going to ask MS for a plan to implement the break up...I find that odd.
Anyway, I agree that IE should belong to the Applications Co. not the OS Co. since that's what started this whole thing.
Maybe the applications company will release non-windows ports of some of their better programs now that they are not joined at the hip to Win 9x, 2000 or whatever.
Try reading some comments below, pin head. This has been addressed..oh, about 1000 times already.
All this proves to me that the "Open Source review" worked. How long was the RedHat bug around for? Now How long for the MS bug?
Now how many independant code reviews has MS had? Did their bug show up because of a careful QA review by peers? No, It was discovered through reverse engineering 4 years after the fact...
Could the MS bug be changed simply by having the admin alter the coniguation? Now how about the RedHat "bug"?
Try answering these questions before you post silly, insulting commnets.
No code is perfect, but OSS is much faster in the bug discovery bug fix patch cycle than any CSS could hope to be.
1) The hole/bug/problem was found, publicized and a fix/patch for it was put out immediately. Elapse time - a few hours to a few days. The MS bug was around for 4 years! 4 YEARS! Conclusion - software isn't perfect but OSS flaws are found and fixed much quicker than CSS, often before the "Black Hats" find out about it. How many other MS/CSS exploits are out there have we NOT heard of that have been known by the Black Hats for 4 years?
2) This was mainly a problem of adminstration and configuration rather than a deliberate, secret backdoor or bug. The installation left a modules password at a default. Technically, this is not a problem if you are a good sys admin and secure your box properly by changing all the default passwords when you set software up. If you don't, why are you hooked up to the Internet (or any other network for that matter since most "cracking" is an inside job)? Why are you employed as or acting as a sys admin? My Oracle has username/password combos like "system/manager","sys/change_on_install" and "scott/tiger". Of course, it's not networked or attached to the Internet in any way ( though I should probably change it anyway) so for me it doesn't matter. But If I were running a production system, there is NO WAY any of these would be on my system!
Is this bad PR? Sure it is but not nearly as bad as having a security hole around for 4 years!
My guess is that you and the other negative posters have not read the story, work fro MS or both.
Yes, because today a 17 year-old girl is being sentenced to life in prison for the beating death of another teenaged girl named Reena Virk.
Reena was a 14 year old of Indian decent (that's from India not aboriginal) who was a little overwieght and a visible minority. Three years or so ago she was kicked to death and then thrown in a river and drowned by a group of teenagers who thought she was a 'goof' and 'weird'. They were the 'cool' kids and she was the outsider. Another group of teens has already been sentenced to jail in the case.
Reena's case is the extreme but it demonstrates that there is more than just 'a little bit of extra hassling by school administrators' and peers going on. How many other children take their own lives after the cruel harassment and torture of their so-called friends has become too much - what number is bigger, the number of school death by shooting or the number of teen suicides?
We can pay homage to the 15 (yes 15) vicims of Columbine not by stiffling discussion about the issues surrounding the tragedy but by shouting it from the roof tops so every kid will hear. We will never stop the Columbine's of the world from happening if we pretend they were madmen about which we could have done nothing. On the contrary, maybe this tragedy could have been avoided if only one teacher or one other student had spoken out against the kind of treatment the two killers (and many others) recieved on a daily basis, some time in the past before the two snapped.
I'm willing to bet some of the victim's families wish someone had.
The real tragedy of Columbine is that it was entirely avoidable and some of the victims must share a little responsibility for what happend to them (though, to be clear, not as much as the two killers - NOBODY deserves the the treatment they got but NOBODY deserves to die because of it).
You want to remember the victims? Teach you children tolerance, manners and respect for others so there are never any other victims to remember.
Don't poke your head in the sand and pretend nothing is wrong.
One of the things I see missing from this large list of reasons is education.
Many people create open source to "scratch an itch" and some do it to show that 'it' (what ever the it is) can be done. Most do it because they enjoy programming and a challenge.
I for one got into it because I like programming. And I was wondering how Photoshop worked or how different Window systems were coded. Well, Adobe and MS/APPLE were not about to let me in on their source, but E and the Gimp were happy to. I think, as a result (of actually reading real-world code), I'm a beter programmer. I have concrete examples of how things are done by comercial quality software products for use in my own projects (the knowledge not nesessarily the code).
What does it cost me? Time and the responisbility to one day give something back to the community that educated me. I can either work on an Open Source Project myself, or buy from companies that support and do open source. I can convince my company that it makes good business sense to use Linux/Apache/Tomcat/Java solutions for e-business rather than MS/ASP - then I would actually get paid to do open source.
All this and I get one hell of a good window manager and graphics editor - better than what I could buy.
What about the woman who played the evil video game dominatrix in that X-Files episode a few weeks ago? She seems to have, ah...the talent and experience...she even looks like Lara Croft.
Plus I'd like to see more shots of that ass in a teddy...
Harrassment by peers is bad enough, but then to have your school, nay, some national investigative organization have your name in a database of "dangerous" kids, pestered by psycologists simply because your a bit different or you got in a fight with somebody. What do you think the result will be?
I can count on my hands the number of school murders committed by teenagers in all or North America. Now try counting the number of teen suicides.
Now which one do you think is a bigger problem in North America
Well, apart from one honest typo I still stand by my original arguement. So why don't you answer me these simple questions, since you obviously have them all and they are all "right" (Pun intended):
Who owns the internet? I mean give me the name of the organization or the entity who actually owns it. The military? Not since DARPA/ARPANET. IBM? CISCO? MCI-WorldCom? While a great many compaies own the backbones, subnets and actual machines on which the internet resides and operates, the whole internet as an entity is greater than the sum of these parts. In many countries the governemt (GASP!!!) owns the backbones so, by extension, do the people of these countries. Asked another way, which entity could just shut the internet off?
What will be serverd by "wresting control" of the internet away from those who do not understand it? What is the internet for? By your arguments, only people intimately knowledgable about the operation of the telephone system should be allowed to use a phone. Everyone else who calls their friends or relatives, orders a pizza or listens to phone sex is wasting valuable telephone bandwidth which could be better used by people like you, who obviously have more important things to say. Should only the elite few have telephones? You seem to think the internet should only belong to (read: be used by) an elite few with messages and information worthy enough to take up bandwidth. Do I need to know how to program TCP/IP in order to use the internet? How much knowledge must one have in order to join your little internet country club?
So what's your big plan, take the internet away from people you deem unworthy? How?
To paraphrase the company down the street (literally) "what do you want the internet to be?"
If you don't like that drooling idiot's page, don't visit it. I believe that's what a bookmark file is for.
BTW, I can see by your statement that I was correct. Unless you happened to be in England (or other parts of the UK) I suspect you're at home (how else could your neighbours - this spelling is another clue - hear you) and therefore have don't have a job or are late for class. Since I am at work doing web development, on one of those servers, on one of those networks, by your argument I am part owner of the internet and you are not.
Once you've answered my questions I'd like you to leave, please - your narrow mind is trespassing where only open minds should be.
Oh yeah, I forgot, the "Open" in open source and the "Free" in free software only apply to uber geeks. The internet is ours and we don't want companies and housewives and other "idiots" (to quote some other posts) on our precious internet. It's an exclusive club, after all, and if you can't boot into Linux and configure a firewall, you have no business using it.
Grow up. If your grown up, get a real job an get out of the university. If you have a real job and aren't in some ivory tower at a University, get a life.
The web and the internet are for everyone. Period. The net and the Web belong to know-one. Period. It was designed for the free flow of information - ANY INFORMATION (no-one care wherether you think its useful or not, they find it useful). And no amount of legislation, DDoS or whining by the "internet Amish" (BTW, This is you)is going to make it go back to 80's.
If you don't want to see java applets or pretty pictures, turn them off in your browser...or use Lynx.
According to thier site, they did a live demonstration of some of this back in early feb on CNN. Anyone see it? Does it really work? Better yet, is there an opensource, freely available Linux for PDA's out there that may also be doing something similar?
Thanks. This is exactly the kind of anwers I was looking for...So we can detect the large ones and know they are large but we would miss all the terran sized ones.
Build and interferometer!
Thanks agian..great answer...you should be moderated up.
Remember, all these observations are INDIRECT. They are estimating the size of the planet by the solar wobble caused by the tug of gravity by these planets on their suns. Now, whose to say that this tug is caused by 1 super-jovian sized planet or 5-11 terran sized planets? Whose to say these Saturn like and jovian like planets don't have moons in orbit that are in a "habitable zone?".
I wonder if we could detect anything but Jupiter from our ouwn sun's wobble? How big a planet does old Sol's wobble say is in orbit around it - 2 Jupiters or 1 jupiter and 8 to 9 others? How does an Oort cloud or Kuiper belt of material affect these calculations?
Until we have a spaced based interferometer array (which I beleive NASA is trying to get funding for)which can do DIRECT imaging of these planets, we will not know of any reall numbers and sizes.
BTW, NASA's space-based interferometer design is capable of imaging earth sized planets and doing spectral analysis on them.
Any professional asttronomers or planet finders out there care to comment?
I have to agree with the earlier post about location location location. It may be tough to find an IT job in Philly, but here in Ottawa, Ontario (Canada) its a snap. I have just started with a new company(after fielding a few offers and at least 1 headhunter calling me per day for a month) and am working with a client in Kanata, the "Silicon Valley North." Out there comapies like Newbridge, Nortel, Mitel and Lockeed Martin have giant banners on their building asking, nay, begging for skilled workers. Nortel actually has a store in the mall across from their HQ rented out as a recruiting centre - like the Army! Newbridge (who is hiring again after being bought by Actel of France) laid off hundreds of workers a few months ago during restructuring. The competion for labour was so fierce that Nortel had recruiters in sandwhich boards getting candidates outside their AGM in the Corel Centre (arena where the Senetors play). On the day of the layoffs, they rented a Greyhound bus, which waited outside of the Newbridge offices for the laid off workers to be escorted out. HR people then brought them onto the bus, interviewed them and offered them positions then and there.
Sounds like an IT labour shortage to me up here...
Um...no. Up here in Canada the FBI and Fox TV have NO jurisdiction. It is NOT a violation of Canadian law to rebroadcast content, only American law. This makes about as much sense as the US suing Canadian companies in US court for doing business with Cuba (who , incidently are our friends and trading with them is not illegal) - just stupid (it was called the Helms Burton bill)
A note to Americans - your Blind faith in the Second Amendnment is bizarre. You claim that anarchy will ensue if "Guns" are outlawed.
You claim that Guns actually prevent crime, implying that not having guns encourages crime.
BullSh*t!
Here in Canada, we have very strict gun control and basically always have. By your logic, we should therefore have more violent crime, n'est pas? I've quoted these stats before and I'll do it again - Toronto, where I live, is the largest city in Canada with a population of about 4 million. Last year we had 54 murders, of which only about 20% involved firearms(this include shotguns and hunting rifles). The record number of murders for the city is about 75 in one year(about ten years ago, violent crime has been steadily decreasing for about 15 years). The entire country of Canada has about 800 murders per year, with a population of 30 million. Every single gun call the Metro Toronto Police go on makes the evening news - EVERY SINGLE ONE! Comapare that to Washington, DC, Chicago or Detroit, where guns are freely available to stop crime by not being pulled out of a holster.
All of this gun control and yet I can still own a hunting rifle or shotgun and go hunting every year (and I do).
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. So don't make it easy for people to kill other people by letting them have guns (especially hand guns which, unlike shotguns or rifles, have no other reason for existance than to kill another human - not for hunting)
But I guess as long as some of you'all think it's your God given right to hunt deer with AK-47, Glauk 9mms and use teflon tipped, armour piercing bullets, there's no talking logic to you.
Yes , I'll have to agree with that one. I play hockey with Kurt Browning(Same league, different team - he's Red I'm Brown) and he has a hell of a wrist shot, too.
Not to mention he can literally scat circles around most of us.
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Properly designed JSP/ASP/CFM/PHP should not have program logic in the presentation. But this is a problem of the coder and designer not of the technology. The JSP/ASP/CFM/PHP hold the presentation logic and compoments like servlets/Beans/EJBs/COM components/CORBA Orbs etc do all the aplication specific work. I've done this with both JSP and ASP (I like JSP better). Down on the farm, we call this MVC or even n-tier achetecture. Perhaps you've heard of it?
BTW, JSP performacne hits you speak of only happen on the first instance. All subsequent requests go to the already compiled servlet. I believe in some application servers (IBM WebSphere for instance) you can configure the JSP to be compiled on start up, so the user will neer see the performance hit, even if they are the first to hit the page.
Wow, somebody has a pickle up their ass about being in CS! (how snobbish).
I "learned" java in the real world by using it almost every day for applications. Your right - Java is not C nor is it C++. But have you ever heard of "the right tool for the right job"?
C/C++ is great for lower level code, device drivers or embedded systems. Java is excellent on the server as a replacement for CGI (ever heard of servlets/JSP? that's where all the action is these days - and its faster and less resource intensive than CGI). Any other software depends on what your creating and for whom.
Your right that Java is slow RIGHT NOW. But the same was said of C++ 10 years ago. I don't hear too many complaints about the speed of C++. Would I write a Word Processor in Java? Hell no, not until the JVM/JIT stuff gets way faster (although 1.3 is very quick, even with Swing). In C? Sure if I had a team of programmers and a couple of years...C++ would probably be a better choice.
Have you actually tried any 1.3 JDK implementations? I have and I find them way faster than anything previously created, almost as fast as C++ (even in GUI apps). Do you realize that written properly (eg NOT like a C/C++ program), with the proper patterns and optimizations, Java can be quite peppy?
Aparently not.
Before you slag a language or platform, try getting more knowledge than " 2 tutorials in the beginning of the semester that covered Java syntax and constructs" from an old CS prof would would rather write in Assembler or Fortran anyway. Follow your own advice and become informed by true experts in the field.
Does java have its problems? Sure..it nees better JVMs/JIT for better speed and STANDARDIZATION!(are you listening SUN?). That doesn't mean its not a viable development platform for the real world...and its getting better all the time.
BTW. In Java, multiple inheritance is done with little things known as interfaces...but I digress.
I think of more importance is the line:
"Hard Disk 12 GB, 2.5" x 9.5mm HDD"
I read this to say that the unit is 2.5 INCHES by 9.5 MILLIMETRES.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but the last time these units were mixed together like this, didn't something really expensive crash into Mars?
So I ask 2 questions:
1) What are the actual measurements (in metric, please, I'm Canadian and don't understand the old Imperial System)?
2) Why does the US still use such a non-portable, strange measuring system? I mean come on, its the 21st century (almost)...
Kevin made most of his "expliots" through crafty SOCIAL engineering (read: lying) rather that clever computer hacking - he could convince sys admins to give out sensitive passwordsetc (and even tried his wiles on the police who were arresting him - see his 60 Minutes interview). Given all that, I suspect we are hearing a little more of Kevin's "engieering" in this latest controversy, so I take what I hear with a grain of salt.
BUT, having the government tell you that you cannot speak publicly (or publish) smacks of the worst of South African Appartied-era Ban laws or internal exile in the old Soviet union. I find this quite ironic comming from the "home of the free."
I say let him talk - but remember the Son of Sam Laws - its illegal to profit from a crime. Therefore let hime talk but confiscate that 20k and give it to some charity.
According to a CNN stroy this morning, it will be one OS comapny and one APPLICATIONS company.
"Applications" certainly covers everything that's not in the OS. I'd expect within the applications company there to be an office division, a development tools division, a games division etc.
But the story also says that they are going to ask MS for a plan to implement the break up...I find that odd.
Anyway, I agree that IE should belong to the Applications Co. not the OS Co. since that's what started this whole thing.
Maybe the applications company will release non-windows ports of some of their better programs now that they are not joined at the hip to Win 9x, 2000 or whatever.
Try reading some comments below, pin head. This has been addressed ..oh, about 1000 times already.
All this proves to me that the "Open Source review" worked. How long was the RedHat bug around for? Now How long for the MS bug?
Now how many independant code reviews has MS had? Did their bug show up because of a careful QA review by peers? No, It was discovered through reverse engineering 4 years after the fact...
Could the MS bug be changed simply by having the admin alter the coniguation? Now how about the RedHat "bug"?
Try answering these questions before you post silly, insulting commnets.
No code is perfect, but OSS is much faster in the bug discovery bug fix patch cycle than any CSS could hope to be.
Oy!
/password combos like "system/manager","sys/change_on_install" and "scott/tiger". Of course, it's not networked or attached to the Internet in any way ( though I should probably change it anyway) so for me it doesn't matter. But If I were running a production system, there is NO WAY any of these would be on my system!
For the hundreth time this morning:
This IS a victory in a sense for OSS because:
1) The hole/bug/problem was found, publicized and a fix/patch for it was put out immediately. Elapse time - a few hours to a few days. The MS bug was around for 4 years! 4 YEARS! Conclusion - software isn't perfect but OSS flaws are found and fixed much quicker than CSS, often before the "Black Hats" find out about it. How many other MS/CSS exploits are out there have we NOT heard of that have been known by the Black Hats for 4 years?
2) This was mainly a problem of adminstration and configuration rather than a deliberate, secret backdoor or bug. The installation left a modules password at a default. Technically, this is not a problem if you are a good sys admin and secure your box properly by changing all the default passwords when you set software up. If you don't, why are you hooked up to the Internet (or any other network for that matter since most "cracking" is an inside job)? Why are you employed as or acting as a sys admin? My Oracle has username
Is this bad PR? Sure it is but not nearly as bad as having a security hole around for 4 years!
My guess is that you and the other negative posters have not read the story, work fro MS or both.
Try thinking before you post..
WTF are you talking about?
Yes, because today a 17 year-old girl is being sentenced to life in prison for the beating death of another teenaged girl named Reena Virk.
Reena was a 14 year old of Indian decent (that's from India not aboriginal) who was a little overwieght and a visible minority. Three years or so ago she was kicked to death and then thrown in a river and drowned by a group of teenagers who thought she was a 'goof' and 'weird'. They were the 'cool' kids and she was the outsider. Another group of teens has already been sentenced to jail in the case.
Reena's case is the extreme but it demonstrates that there is more than just 'a little bit of extra hassling by school administrators' and peers going on. How many other children take their own lives after the cruel harassment and torture of their so-called friends has become too much - what number is bigger, the number of school death by shooting or the number of teen suicides?
We can pay homage to the 15 (yes 15) vicims of Columbine not by stiffling discussion about the issues surrounding the tragedy but by shouting it from the roof tops so every kid will hear. We will never stop the Columbine's of the world from happening if we pretend they were madmen about which we could have done nothing. On the contrary, maybe this tragedy could have been avoided if only one teacher or one other student had spoken out against the kind of treatment the two killers (and many others) recieved on a daily basis, some time in the past before the two snapped.
I'm willing to bet some of the victim's families wish someone had.
The real tragedy of Columbine is that it was entirely avoidable and some of the victims must share a little responsibility for what happend to them (though, to be clear, not as much as the two killers - NOBODY deserves the the treatment they got but NOBODY deserves to die because of it).
You want to remember the victims? Teach you children tolerance, manners and respect for others so there are never any other victims to remember.
Don't poke your head in the sand and pretend nothing is wrong.
One of the things I see missing from this large list of reasons is education.
Many people create open source to "scratch an itch" and some do it to show that 'it' (what ever the it is) can be done. Most do it because they enjoy programming and a challenge.
I for one got into it because I like programming. And I was wondering how Photoshop worked or how different Window systems were coded. Well, Adobe and MS/APPLE were not about to let me in on their source, but E and the Gimp were happy to. I think, as a result (of actually reading real-world code), I'm a beter programmer. I have concrete examples of how things are done by comercial quality software products for use in my own projects (the knowledge not nesessarily the code).
What does it cost me? Time and the responisbility to one day give something back to the community that educated me. I can either work on an Open Source Project myself, or buy from companies that support and do open source. I can convince my company that it makes good business sense to use Linux/Apache/Tomcat/Java solutions for e-business rather than MS/ASP - then I would actually get paid to do open source.
All this and I get one hell of a good window manager and graphics editor - better than what I could buy.
What about the woman who played the evil video game dominatrix in that X-Files episode a few weeks ago? She seems to have, ah...the talent and experience...she even looks like Lara Croft.
Plus I'd like to see more shots of that ass in a teddy...
What if it TOOK your child's life?
Harrassment by peers is bad enough, but then to have your school, nay, some national investigative organization have your name in a database of "dangerous" kids, pestered by psycologists simply because your a bit different or you got in a fight with somebody. What do you think the result will be?
I can count on my hands the number of school murders committed by teenagers in all or North America. Now try counting the number of teen suicides.
Now which one do you think is a bigger problem in North America
Are you still here? GO AWAY
-Internet, part Owner.
Point well taken...of course I lived on a farm with bad country music so I have issues with the 80's in general.
Well, apart from one honest typo I still stand by my original arguement. So why don't you answer me these simple questions, since you obviously have them all and they are all "right" (Pun intended):
Who owns the internet? I mean give me the name of the organization or the entity who actually owns it. The military? Not since DARPA/ARPANET. IBM? CISCO? MCI-WorldCom? While a great many compaies own the backbones, subnets and actual machines on which the internet resides and operates, the whole internet as an entity is greater than the sum of these parts. In many countries the governemt (GASP!!!) owns the backbones so, by extension, do the people of these countries. Asked another way, which entity could just shut the internet off?
What will be serverd by "wresting control" of the internet away from those who do not understand it? What is the internet for? By your arguments, only people intimately knowledgable about the operation of the telephone system should be allowed to use a phone. Everyone else who calls their friends or relatives, orders a pizza or listens to phone sex is wasting valuable telephone bandwidth which could be better used by people like you, who obviously have more important things to say. Should only the elite few have telephones? You seem to think the internet should only belong to (read: be used by) an elite few with messages and information worthy enough to take up bandwidth. Do I need to know how to program TCP/IP in order to use the internet? How much knowledge must one have in order to join your little internet country club?
So what's your big plan, take the internet away from people you deem unworthy? How?
To paraphrase the company down the street (literally) "what do you want the internet to be?"
If you don't like that drooling idiot's page, don't visit it. I believe that's what a bookmark file is for.
BTW, I can see by your statement that I was correct. Unless you happened to be in England (or other parts of the UK) I suspect you're at home (how else could your neighbours - this spelling is another clue - hear you) and therefore have don't have a job or are late for class. Since I am at work doing web development, on one of those servers, on one of those networks, by your argument I am part owner of the internet and you are not.
Once you've answered my questions I'd like you to leave, please - your narrow mind is trespassing where only open minds should be.
Oh yeah, I forgot, the "Open" in open source and the "Free" in free software only apply to uber geeks. The internet is ours and we don't want companies and housewives and other "idiots" (to quote some other posts) on our precious internet. It's an exclusive club, after all, and if you can't boot into Linux and configure a firewall, you have no business using it.
Grow up. If your grown up, get a real job an get out of the university. If you have a real job and aren't in some ivory tower at a University, get a life.
The web and the internet are for everyone. Period. The net and the Web belong to know-one. Period. It was designed for the free flow of information - ANY INFORMATION (no-one care wherether you think its useful or not, they find it useful). And no amount of legislation, DDoS or whining by the "internet Amish" (BTW, This is you)is going to make it go back to 80's.
If you don't want to see java applets or pretty pictures, turn them off in your browser...or use Lynx.
According to thier site, they did a live demonstration of some of this back in early feb on CNN. Anyone see it? Does it really work? Better yet, is there an opensource, freely available Linux for PDA's out there that may also be doing something similar?
Thanks. This is exactly the kind of anwers I was looking for...So we can detect the large ones and know they are large but we would miss all the terran sized ones.
Build and interferometer!
Thanks agian..great answer...you should be moderated up.
Remember, all these observations are INDIRECT. They are estimating the size of the planet by the solar wobble caused by the tug of gravity by these planets on their suns. Now, whose to say that this tug is caused by 1 super-jovian sized planet or 5-11 terran sized planets? Whose to say these Saturn like and jovian like planets don't have moons in orbit that are in a "habitable zone?".
I wonder if we could detect anything but Jupiter from our ouwn sun's wobble? How big a planet does old Sol's wobble say is in orbit around it - 2 Jupiters or 1 jupiter and 8 to 9 others? How does an Oort cloud or Kuiper belt of material affect these calculations?
Until we have a spaced based interferometer array (which I beleive NASA is trying to get funding for)which can do DIRECT imaging of these planets, we will not know of any reall numbers and sizes.
BTW, NASA's space-based interferometer design is capable of imaging earth sized planets and doing spectral analysis on them.
Any professional asttronomers or planet finders out there care to comment?
I have to agree with the earlier post about location location location. It may be tough to find an IT job in Philly, but here in Ottawa, Ontario (Canada) its a snap.
I have just started with a new company(after fielding a few offers and at least 1 headhunter calling me per day for a month) and am working with a client in Kanata, the "Silicon Valley North." Out there comapies like Newbridge, Nortel, Mitel and Lockeed Martin have giant banners on their building asking, nay, begging for skilled workers. Nortel actually has a store in the mall across from their HQ rented out as a recruiting centre - like the Army! Newbridge (who is hiring again after being bought by Actel of France) laid off hundreds of workers a few months ago during restructuring. The competion for labour was so fierce that Nortel had recruiters in sandwhich boards getting candidates outside their AGM in the Corel Centre (arena where the Senetors play). On the day of the layoffs, they rented a Greyhound bus, which waited outside of the Newbridge offices for the laid off workers to be escorted out. HR people then brought them onto the bus, interviewed them and offered them positions then and there.
Sounds like an IT labour shortage to me up here...
Um...no. Up here in Canada the FBI and Fox TV have NO jurisdiction. It is NOT a violation of Canadian law to rebroadcast content, only American law. This makes about as much sense as the US suing Canadian companies in US court for doing business with Cuba (who , incidently are our friends and trading with them is not illegal) - just stupid (it was called the Helms Burton bill)
A note to Americans - your Blind faith in the Second Amendnment is bizarre. You claim that anarchy will ensue if "Guns" are outlawed.
You claim that Guns actually prevent crime, implying that not having guns encourages crime.
BullSh*t!
Here in Canada, we have very strict gun control and basically always have. By your logic, we should therefore have more violent crime, n'est pas? I've quoted these stats before and I'll do it again - Toronto, where I live, is the largest city in Canada with a population of about 4 million. Last year we had 54 murders, of which only about 20% involved firearms(this include shotguns and hunting rifles). The record number of murders for the city is about 75 in one year(about ten years ago, violent crime has been steadily decreasing for about 15 years). The entire country of Canada has about 800 murders per year, with a population of 30 million. Every single gun call the Metro Toronto Police go on makes the evening news - EVERY SINGLE ONE! Comapare that to Washington, DC, Chicago or Detroit, where guns are freely available to stop crime by not being pulled out of a holster.
All of this gun control and yet I can still own a hunting rifle or shotgun and go hunting every year (and I do).
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. So don't make it easy for people to kill other people by letting them have guns (especially hand guns which, unlike shotguns or rifles, have no other reason for existance than to kill another human - not for hunting)
But I guess as long as some of you'all think it's your God given right to hunt deer with AK-47, Glauk 9mms and use teflon tipped, armour piercing bullets, there's no talking logic to you.
PS. Europeans: keeps up the good moderation work
er...Ahem, ah I meant SKATE
Yes , I'll have to agree with that one. I play hockey with Kurt Browning(Same league, different team - he's Red I'm Brown) and he has a hell of a wrist shot, too.
Not to mention he can literally scat circles around most of us.
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PS Go Brown! (Late Night Hockey!)
Who cares? What would Brian Orser do? or Elvis Stojko? or ....
Never mind.
Always a brides maid, never a Bride.