I'm not sure, but aren't those Core Duo machines much older than 8 years.
I can, however, understand OrangeTide. My wife has a mid-2010 first-gen 2.93GHz Core i7 (i7-870) iMac 27". It was quite expensive at purchase. We got it with 4GB RAM, upgraded it immediately to 16GB RAM, it now has 32GB RAM (Kept an eye on RAM prices, got it when the price was low).
Frankly, there is not a single scenario I can find why we should replace it. The screen is awesome, I can put in a SSD when prices come down again, it has more than enough CPU power and more than enough RAM. My wife has never and will never use the full power of that machine.
I was very happy to read, we'll get another fully-supported year when High Sierra comes out. Even then, Apple tends to release security updates for older versions of OS X for a few years for older systems. I doubt, I'll be able to stretch it beyond 10 years, but that is a good age for a computer. Especially, I might be able to reuse it for other purposes, just not running Mac OS X. Worst case, I use it as a 27" Screen using Displayport Target Mode.
Granted, I have had a few PCs touching the 10 years, usually, at the end of life you could only keep them running by going alternative "tiny" Linux distributions. For most people that was unattainable.
That said, times have changed. My "desktop replacement" laptop is a Dell XPS15 L502x, bought in mid-2011 and frankly it's going strong: a quad core Sandy Bridge i7 with 16GB RAM gets you a long way. I do use Linux on it, but I see no reason why Windows 7 (which it came with) wouldn't work perfectly on it. I guess Windows 10 would work too (I did bother to grab the free upgrade, so that in 2020, I still have to option to run a Windows OS). The times of older machines being insufficient are pretty much over.
I'm still using an iPhone 5... not 5S not 5C.. 5. Normally, I get the old iPhone of my wife after two years of use, but I don't really like the bigger 6 she had (she now has a 7). It's also one of those ugly rose-gold ones. I just kept using the 5. I'll just have to switch to the 6 or bite the bullet and get a new SE.
Still, the value and longevity of iPhones are amazing. I fully expected the iPhone 5 to be unsupported at the last major iOS upgrade. It wasn't. Five years after release it's still officially supported. Is there any other phone brand that can claim that?
As a citizen of one of the countries that is "misused" for tax evasion, ehm, I mean "tax optimization", I can tell you that is going to get pretty ugly very quickly. After some documents came public, some large multinationals pay less taxes than me and my spouse together. They're going to continue to do that. It's in the nature of large corporations.
While taxing robots might be difficult from an accounting perspective (Good! More accountant jobs... or accountant AI jobs), you can quantify robots and their production.
... or lose funds. No taxes, no government spending, no government spending, no way to keep all these unemployed people feeded.
Perhaps he'll suggest that they just have to eat cake if there is no bread....
I do understand why not: taxing robots, would keep industry and production out of Europe. Evidently, if robot work is taxed in the EU, the robots will be put in non-EU countries, including the few non-robot workers who still do pay taxes... Not good for the economy (well, until nobody can buy goods any more, of course).
Can you elaborate? I don't understand geoblocking in this context? Did hotel chains refuse to provide (paying or free) Internet because you are not a EU citizen?
Personally, I'm inclined to say that a laptop should include a keyboard. I'm even inclined to call these hybrids, more tablet than laptop. Even when the keyboard is attached, it really isn't even close to being a laptop. It's top-heavy, the keyboard doesn't feel as solid as a real keyboard (even a laptop keyboard). It's clearly a trade-off between laptop and tablet.
Granted, my experiences aren't based upon the 1000€+ Surface. There is no way I'd buy one at those prices. You can however, get decent built Chinese clones. From the specs they aren't in the same league as a Surface (Atom x5 vs Core i), but for ~16% of the price, they are pretty decent. On top of that many run Android and Windows. (I find Windows 10 severely lacking on a tablet. Mainly because I seem to trigger gestures I don't want to trigger and didn't find how to turn them of. Okay, didn't look hard. Still annoying)
I got myself a Chuwi Hi10 Plus at Gearbest for 156€ with the keyboard cover thrown in recently. (Never buy Chinese stuff at full price, it's always on sale somewhere) I wouldn't have gotten it without the keyboard. The keyboard thrown in made the deal for me. As a tablet, it's ok... As a laptop works, but I'd rather get one of my real clamshell laptops for doing any typing work. The keyboard-cover is relegated mostly to "protection" status.
Perhaps it's different if you have a click-on keyboard instead of a cover-keyboard... perhaps a Surface is worth the 850+€ more (It has better CPU, better screen resolutions, SSD instead of eMMC). I can't say... I still wouldn't recommend these devices unless you have a special use-case, want to do mostly media consumption and don't need to do much typing.
Yeah, well... I'm in the same boat. I would love to return to the US, but I said "I'm sure they'll become reasonable again when George Bush leaves office". Wait... George Bush? Yes! George Bush! It never got better, only got worse! My wife reminds me from time to time: You said we would go when Bush is gone... I usually reply: Yes, I did, but I assumed it would bet better again.
This really isn't a caused by Trump. It's just gone downhill all these years with no hope of it getting better ever again. I don't expect to visit the US ever again.
The best argument I heard for Comic Sans is that -apparently- is it easier to read for dyslexics. I don't know whether it's true, but if so, I can really understand the use in many contexts.
I hear that most servers only user 4-core CPUs and don't need more than that
Then you need to listen to different people. Virtualization for example, needs as much cores as you can get. Transcoding media streams would be another example.
12 Core (2x due to HT) and the four sockets isn't unheard of.
I've seen servers like that basically running each core at 100% 24/7.
No. It is not the job of college professors to correct students unable to communicate correctly. That was the job of the high school teachers. Students unable to communicate correctly should not have been admitted to college, because they shouldn't have received their high school diploma.
Hi Anonymous Coward. I don't know if you're still reading, disconnecting the VM from the Internet (disabled network interface), worked perfectly and I have a well behaved VM again. Amazing. I am positively sure, I did follow the instructions to get it on that patch level (and bar from the convenience upgrade, the pre-requisistes told me every time they were installed), but that seems to have been the little detail that was missing.
No, Microsoft can't do that for you because the tool they would use (Windows Update) has the issue itself.
Yes, yes,... They could make a single comprehensive patch that fixes it. One download, one fix... Well advertised. Hell, I'm sure they would have a way to do it over WU. If a WU client with a certain version contacts the WU server, you send one patch: the one to fix itself. At that point it can fix itself, and then go on it's merry way. Windows XP had an WU fix that went about that way: it was a patch you needed to do, in order to continue do any other patches.
try installing KB3138612, KB3020369, KB3172605, and KB3125574. I don't remember the order you need do
You do not perceive that as a problem? How is Aunt Annie going to do this? You don't even remember the order... I know I have followed many guides, and it never worked. Never... Followed the exact order. Is it because it's a VM and doesn't get a true full core for it? I have no idea.
And of course, you should get to a more current and supported version of the operating system...
I disagree. I paid for 7, I get 7 until it's officially expired. It should work until that day, which is in 2020.
... and for the record..... I did reinstall a couple of times, and les WU do its work.
DIdn't work. How can a plain ISO install fuck up? The only thing I did was, let sit aloe do its thing... It should fix itself, right? Well it doesn't.
I've been managing, installing and maintaining Windows machines for years... I am not the cause.
These VMs can be reinstalled at will though... Data is not stored on VMs. They are only tools in order to live in a Windows world where the occasional task comes where you can't use Linux. Happens once or twice a year. That's why I have them.
I didn't come here for advice. The answers I've seen correspond to what I found. The only new thing would be to disconnect the machines from network while doing the update (which is hard when you your your machines using RDP)
One core and 4GB is not the minimum hardware specs for 7, and even if it were: the security features should work perfectly on minimum system requirements. It's a base OS functionality. For most tasks, one core + 4GB is is more than sufficient. Always has been.
I have a fundamental distrust about people who say "more hardware". Usually, that's exactly the kind of people that you don't take advice from because it's the easy solution. The one that doesn't require thinking. (And guess what: it doesn't always work.... Been there, done that, proved the consultant wrong...) Besides, it seems I have them assigned 2 Cores and 4GB RAM. Is that not enough? That's what you'd get with a Celeron or Pentium class machine. These have no more "oompha" you could give them. Is giving all cores from my E3-1260L going to work? Is that even reasonable?!?
I have done delete Software Distribution. Doesn't work... -
Blaming Microsoft for their "greed and arrogance" never gets old on Slashdot.
You can kid all you want, creimer. I did understand your silly joke, but you make a stupid joke, while I address a real problem. Microsoft caused a great many Windows 7 installations to get in this situation: eternal Windows Update cycle. As such, these machines aren't being patched and are all vulnerable. That is something they should have fixed, asap, and pushed though immediately. Of course, they didn't because we all know that badly behaved Windows 7 machines were more likely to get upgraded to 10. Which in itself caused a great many people to disable WIndows Update. Microsoft cultivated this distrust of their Windows Update mechanisms. There are very guilty in this story and they are so mainly because of their greed and arrogance.
Yes, these are the things I have read before. I never disconnected from the Internet, and as such it never worked. I'll try it again one of these days. I might be vulnerable, but the risk is very low (and obviously those VMs have no data of any importance)
What is certain, is that many people may have their machines in a state like my VMs. If so, they are vulnerable and can't be patched. Microsoft is very, very at fault for creating a whole fleet of unpatchable 7 machines. It obviously played in their cards, to push the 10 upgrades, but I hold them responsible for this mess.
On any patch level, or do I need to start form a fresh install.
The "disconnect from Interent" is a new factor for me. The July 2016 update promised to fix it, but never did. I must admit, this is going to be very hard for me, because these machine run on Xen hosts and well, I access them using RDP.
How about fixing the Windows Update on 7. I have a few Win7 virtual machines, that only have 1 core a 4GB RAM and Windows Update just munches one CPU forever and never finishes. I have let it run for weeks, and it never finishes.
That's why I disabled Windows Update on them, because that situation was untenable. I tried many proposed fixes I found on different fora, but nothing worked.
Granted, they are relatively safe, because these installations only exist to provide me a Windows when I need one (read: next to never) and the rest of the network is Linux and BSD. Being task-oriented with use-cases that don't involve email and random surfing, they are quite a bit safer than your run-of-the-mill Windows 7 that suffer from eternal Windows Update runs.
As a matter of fact, my experience tells me you'll fall back to the language that most speak reasonably well, which turn out to be English in nearly all situations.
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I can, however, understand OrangeTide. My wife has a mid-2010 first-gen 2.93GHz Core i7 (i7-870) iMac 27". It was quite expensive at purchase. We got it with 4GB RAM, upgraded it immediately to 16GB RAM, it now has 32GB RAM (Kept an eye on RAM prices, got it when the price was low).
Frankly, there is not a single scenario I can find why we should replace it. The screen is awesome, I can put in a SSD when prices come down again, it has more than enough CPU power and more than enough RAM. My wife has never and will never use the full power of that machine.
I was very happy to read, we'll get another fully-supported year when High Sierra comes out. Even then, Apple tends to release security updates for older versions of OS X for a few years for older systems. I doubt, I'll be able to stretch it beyond 10 years, but that is a good age for a computer. Especially, I might be able to reuse it for other purposes, just not running Mac OS X. Worst case, I use it as a 27" Screen using Displayport Target Mode.
Granted, I have had a few PCs touching the 10 years, usually, at the end of life you could only keep them running by going alternative "tiny" Linux distributions. For most people that was unattainable.
That said, times have changed. My "desktop replacement" laptop is a Dell XPS15 L502x, bought in mid-2011 and frankly it's going strong: a quad core Sandy Bridge i7 with 16GB RAM gets you a long way. I do use Linux on it, but I see no reason why Windows 7 (which it came with) wouldn't work perfectly on it. I guess Windows 10 would work too (I did bother to grab the free upgrade, so that in 2020, I still have to option to run a Windows OS). The times of older machines being insufficient are pretty much over.
Still, the value and longevity of iPhones are amazing. I fully expected the iPhone 5 to be unsupported at the last major iOS upgrade. It wasn't. Five years after release it's still officially supported. Is there any other phone brand that can claim that?
It has more to do with the fact that it is Apple Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC) this week.
While taxing robots might be difficult from an accounting perspective (Good! More accountant jobs... or accountant AI jobs), you can quantify robots and their production.
Perhaps he'll suggest that they just have to eat cake if there is no bread....
I do understand why not: taxing robots, would keep industry and production out of Europe. Evidently, if robot work is taxed in the EU, the robots will be put in non-EU countries, including the few non-robot workers who still do pay taxes... Not good for the economy (well, until nobody can buy goods any more, of course).
Can you elaborate? I don't understand geoblocking in this context? Did hotel chains refuse to provide (paying or free) Internet because you are not a EU citizen?
Personally, I'm inclined to say that a laptop should include a keyboard. I'm even inclined to call these hybrids, more tablet than laptop. Even when the keyboard is attached, it really isn't even close to being a laptop. It's top-heavy, the keyboard doesn't feel as solid as a real keyboard (even a laptop keyboard). It's clearly a trade-off between laptop and tablet.
Granted, my experiences aren't based upon the 1000€+ Surface. There is no way I'd buy one at those prices. You can however, get decent built Chinese clones. From the specs they aren't in the same league as a Surface (Atom x5 vs Core i), but for ~16% of the price, they are pretty decent. On top of that many run Android and Windows. (I find Windows 10 severely lacking on a tablet. Mainly because I seem to trigger gestures I don't want to trigger and didn't find how to turn them of. Okay, didn't look hard. Still annoying)
I got myself a Chuwi Hi10 Plus at Gearbest for 156€ with the keyboard cover thrown in recently. (Never buy Chinese stuff at full price, it's always on sale somewhere) I wouldn't have gotten it without the keyboard. The keyboard thrown in made the deal for me. As a tablet, it's ok... As a laptop works, but I'd rather get one of my real clamshell laptops for doing any typing work. The keyboard-cover is relegated mostly to "protection" status.
Perhaps it's different if you have a click-on keyboard instead of a cover-keyboard... perhaps a Surface is worth the 850+€ more (It has better CPU, better screen resolutions, SSD instead of eMMC). I can't say... I still wouldn't recommend these devices unless you have a special use-case, want to do mostly media consumption and don't need to do much typing.
This really isn't a caused by Trump. It's just gone downhill all these years with no hope of it getting better ever again. I don't expect to visit the US ever again.
The best argument I heard for Comic Sans is that -apparently- is it easier to read for dyslexics. I don't know whether it's true, but if so, I can really understand the use in many contexts.
Then you need to listen to different people. Virtualization for example, needs as much cores as you can get. Transcoding media streams would be another example.
12 Core (2x due to HT) and the four sockets isn't unheard of.
I've seen servers like that basically running each core at 100% 24/7.
No, I'm from the seventies. I guess that makes me ancient.
No. It is not the job of college professors to correct students unable to communicate correctly. That was the job of the high school teachers. Students unable to communicate correctly should not have been admitted to college, because they shouldn't have received their high school diploma.
Thanks for the the tip.
Yes, yes,... They could make a single comprehensive patch that fixes it. One download, one fix... Well advertised. Hell, I'm sure they would have a way to do it over WU. If a WU client with a certain version contacts the WU server, you send one patch: the one to fix itself. At that point it can fix itself, and then go on it's merry way. Windows XP had an WU fix that went about that way: it was a patch you needed to do, in order to continue do any other patches.
You do not perceive that as a problem? How is Aunt Annie going to do this? You don't even remember the order... I know I have followed many guides, and it never worked. Never... Followed the exact order. Is it because it's a VM and doesn't get a true full core for it? I have no idea.
I disagree. I paid for 7, I get 7 until it's officially expired. It should work until that day, which is in 2020.
Windows 10 is a horrible operating system.
DIdn't work. How can a plain ISO install fuck up? The only thing I did was, let sit aloe do its thing... It should fix itself, right? Well it doesn't.
I've been managing, installing and maintaining Windows machines for years... I am not the cause.
These VMs can be reinstalled at will though... Data is not stored on VMs. They are only tools in order to live in a Windows world where the occasional task comes where you can't use Linux. Happens once or twice a year. That's why I have them.
One core and 4GB is not the minimum hardware specs for 7, and even if it were: the security features should work perfectly on minimum system requirements. It's a base OS functionality. For most tasks, one core + 4GB is is more than sufficient. Always has been.
I have a fundamental distrust about people who say "more hardware". Usually, that's exactly the kind of people that you don't take advice from because it's the easy solution. The one that doesn't require thinking. (And guess what: it doesn't always work.... Been there, done that, proved the consultant wrong...) Besides, it seems I have them assigned 2 Cores and 4GB RAM. Is that not enough? That's what you'd get with a Celeron or Pentium class machine. These have no more "oompha" you could give them. Is giving all cores from my E3-1260L going to work? Is that even reasonable?!?
I have done delete Software Distribution. Doesn't work... -
That may be, because the truth doesn't get old.
You can kid all you want, creimer. I did understand your silly joke, but you make a stupid joke, while I address a real problem. Microsoft caused a great many Windows 7 installations to get in this situation: eternal Windows Update cycle. As such, these machines aren't being patched and are all vulnerable. That is something they should have fixed, asap, and pushed though immediately. Of course, they didn't because we all know that badly behaved Windows 7 machines were more likely to get upgraded to 10. Which in itself caused a great many people to disable WIndows Update. Microsoft cultivated this distrust of their Windows Update mechanisms. There are very guilty in this story and they are so mainly because of their greed and arrogance.
What is certain, is that many people may have their machines in a state like my VMs. If so, they are vulnerable and can't be patched. Microsoft is very, very at fault for creating a whole fleet of unpatchable 7 machines. It obviously played in their cards, to push the 10 upgrades, but I hold them responsible for this mess.
Could you have been any less helpful?
The "disconnect from Interent" is a new factor for me. The July 2016 update promised to fix it, but never did. I must admit, this is going to be very hard for me, because these machine run on Xen hosts and well, I access them using RDP.
That's why I disabled Windows Update on them, because that situation was untenable. I tried many proposed fixes I found on different fora, but nothing worked.
Granted, they are relatively safe, because these installations only exist to provide me a Windows when I need one (read: next to never) and the rest of the network is Linux and BSD. Being task-oriented with use-cases that don't involve email and random surfing, they are quite a bit safer than your run-of-the-mill Windows 7 that suffer from eternal Windows Update runs.
Use a mmyyyy postfix or prefix and get around that rule.
Why? Because it's not "stdio.h" (standard input output), but "esstd.g" (entrée sortie standard). I thought that was self evident.
As a matter of fact, my experience tells me you'll fall back to the language that most speak reasonably well, which turn out to be English in nearly all situations.
Ha! Good luck with that!