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US International Tourism Market Share Is Falling Under Trump (buzzfeed.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The United States' slice of the international tourism pie is declining, according to a new report from Foursquare that looks at data from millions of phones worldwide. The US share of international tourism dropped 16% in March 2017 compared with the previous year. And it declined an average of 11% year over year in months spanning October 2016 to March 2017, according to the report. The drop coincides with the final month of the US election, the Trump transition, and the early months of the Trump administration, which notably imposed a travel ban on people from several majority-Muslim countries in January 2017 that was eventually halted in court but is currently under appeal. Declines in tourism market share from people originating in the Middle East were more pronounced than the rest of the world, down 25% this January, along with a smaller decrease from South America, Foursquare found. The data accounts for the percentage of international tourism coming to the US and not the absolute number of tourists, but Foursquare CEO Jeff Glueck told BuzzFeed News that it's unlikely tourist visits to the US increased while share declined. "I don't think you'd see a 16% decline in international market share and absolute numbers being up. I don't think that's compatible," he said. "The volume of tourism doesn't change that fast."

429 comments

  1. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There have to be consequences when a country treats their visitors the way the US do.

    1. Re:Good by ganjadude · · Score: 5, Insightful

      if you actually look at the graph, it was falling prior to the election at almost the same rate, you know the time frame when we were 98% sure hillary was going to win. so lets not try and put this on trump. i know thats the popular thing to do but seriously. this is a non story

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    2. Re:Good by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wouldn't say there has to be consequences. However the political redirect of the ruling party, does make the United States seem to be an uninviting place to visit.
      I wouldn't want to visit a country, where I could get arrested or just harassed just because of my cultural differences. We should welcome visitors, because someone coming to our country to visit says that we are special enough for that person to be interested in visiting us, and they will be bringing their money to spend. It should be an opportunity to put our best foot forward.

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    3. Re:Good by I)_MaLaClYpSe_(I · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have circumstantial evidence suggesting Trump is the reason: I would have loved to revisit the US this year but if I have to disclose my social media accounts and phone or social media login details, I will spare you from the several thousand bucks that I would have carried across the pond to you.

    4. Re:Good by quantaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      if you actually look at the graph, it was falling prior to the election at almost the same rate, you know the time frame when we were 98% sure hillary was going to win. so lets not try and put this on trump. i know thats the popular thing to do but seriously. this is a non story

      Even when we thought Hillary would win we were still appalled by the fact that Trump was not only nominated, but that he was making it an actual race.

      For all his celebrity Trump is terrible marketing for the US.

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    5. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Discussing Trump with a Trump supporter is like discussing a Nigerian prince with someone who just started using email and is convinced they're about become a multimillionaire.

      It would have been a valid point that the graph doesn't go back far enough to rule out effects from seasonal variations - if you had made that point. But your claim that US tourism was falling at the same rate prior to the election is total BS. Yes, there was a significant drop from September to October. But the month before that it was level. And the month before that it was increasing.

      I know you want to believe in your Nigerian prince. But the data does strongly suggest that Trump's policy toward foreign visitors is hurting the US tourism industry.

    6. Re:Good by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      [...] we were 98% sure hillary was going to win.

      At best, Hillary had a 95% chance of winning. It was never 98%.

      so lets not try and put this on trump.

      Let me guess... let's blame the high dollar for a $10B slump in tourism.

      https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10649845&cid=54476199

    7. Re:Good by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      i really dont have the answer. but based on the info in that graph, its hard to place the blame on trump (or only on trump at minimum)

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    8. Re:Good by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      If I hadn't lived in this country since I was born, I wouldn't want to come here right now, either.

    9. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $BADTHING happens?
      Well, let's not blame Trump, he doesn't control everything.

      $GOODTHING happens?
      Hail Trump! MAGA!!

    10. Re:Good by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      i really dont have the answer. but based on the info in that graph, its hard to place the blame on trump (or only on trump at minimum)

      If it makes you feel better, Obama was in the same situation when he inherited the mess from George W.

    11. Re:Good by NG+Resonance · · Score: 2

      Just as a point of principle, the United States does not have a "ruling" party, we have a governing party.

    12. Re:Good by bobbied · · Score: 0

      Seriously, I think this blindly following one's political position is a two way street...

      You can argue that there are more lanes on one side or the other, but in the end there are still two sides. For example...

      Russian Collusion..... Do you think it actually happened? If you think "yes", Chances are you are anti-Trump. However, after 10 months, we have no evidence of this when you look at what's actually known. IF you say "no-way" then chances are you support Trump...

      Truth is, this is more about campaign donations and politics than anything else.... Few on either side will admit to that though.

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    13. Re:Good by spun · · Score: 1

      Are you lying, or do you not know how to read graphs? The graph starts to drop in September of 2016. You know, when the election was held.

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    14. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have circumstantial evidence suggesting Trump is the reason: I would have loved to revisit the US this year but if I have to disclose my social media accounts and phone or social media login details, I will spare you from the several thousand bucks that I would have carried across the pond to you.

      As if this shit wasn't in full bloom with Obama at the helm. There just is less pretense now.

    15. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's flamebait, and you are most likely a paid troll making offtopic posts.

    16. Re:Good by quantaman · · Score: 1

      if you actually look at the graph, it was falling prior to the election at almost the same rate, you know the time frame when we were 98% sure hillary was going to win. so lets not try and put this on trump. i know thats the popular thing to do but seriously. this is a non story

      It should be noted there's also seasonal variation, the drop from Sept-Oct and flat-line through November is consistent with Summer ending and school starting.

      The subsequent post-November drop doesn't seem to be what you'd expect based on seasonal variation, though we'd need to see a comparison to prior years to really be sure.

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    17. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah because we're at war right now.

    18. Re:Good by chuckugly · · Score: 1

      Strong dollar, not the current ruling party. Nice try at spin though.

    19. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There have to be consequences when a country treats their visitors the way the US do.

      Or, the assholes that intended to come as "tourists" and stay as welfare leeching illegals aren't coming anymore.

      Somehow I don't think real Americans are going to miss the chickenshits "afraid of Trump" from the crowded tourist traps.

    20. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see what the issue is. Everybody hates the US, and Trump supporters probably hate it the most. A large faction want to eliminate or overthrow the government, and the rest are just crude and spiteful enough to elect him as president.

    21. Re:Good by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "I know you want to believe in your Nigerian prince"

      And the Orange Prince also wants to put exploding laptops of businessmen in the cargo hold, apparently explosions there don't matter.

      And if they don't explode, the US customs will spy on foreign companies when they enter the US.

      I'm sorry, but there are other beautiful countries without madmen at the top.

    22. Re:Good by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      It's not like it started with Trump that the US treats everyone and anyone trying to spend a vacation in that country like a wanted criminal.

      I decided long ago that, well, if you don't want my money, other countries are glad to take it.

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    23. Re:Good by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When in the past 16 years weren't you?

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    24. Re:Good by pj2541 · · Score: 1

      It should be noted there's also seasonal variation, the drop from Sept-Oct and flat-line through November is consistent with Summer ending and school starting.

      The subsequent post-November drop doesn't seem to be what you'd expect based on seasonal variation, though we'd need to see a comparison to prior years to really be sure.

      This is year-over-year data, so seasonal variations are already factored out.

    25. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The graph starts to drop in September of 2016. You know, when the election was held.

      Which election was that?

      Because I'm pretty sure Trump wasn't elected until November 8, 2016. Back in September, everybody in the world was pretty certain the only way Hillary could lose would be if she launched an exceptionally filthy retelling of "The Aristocrats" while Chelsea, Bill, and herself acted it out live on stage.

    26. Re:Good by bit+trollent · · Score: 1

      Yeah.. no evidence of collusion as the criminal investigation uncovers criminal collusion with Russia's attack on the presidential campaign on a daily basis..

      Just an example - Roger Stone communicated with Giccifer on Twitter. Guccifer is a known Russian government hacker, and hacked the DNC. He admitted his communication with a known Russian hacker during the hack. This is not hard to follow, and is just one of dozens of examples.

      Now you can keep saying nothing has been found, but the FBI is finding stuff every day, and is building a report. Donald Trump admitted (to the Russian ambassador at the center of the investigation) in the Oval Office that he fired Comey to end the Russia investigation.

      Just keep telling yourself there is no evidence of collusion, as that will make Trump's indictments and impeachment that much sweeter.

    27. Re:Good by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't worry, you can have it just the other way 'round too.

      $BADTHING happens
      See, Trump is teh evilz.

      $GOODTHING happens
      That's just a spillover from when Obama was still in office.

      It's about time you people learn that it doesn't fucking matter what idiot you put at the helm, they're ALL crooks!

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    28. Re:Good by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Is a nation its government?

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    29. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wouldn't want to visit a country, where I could get arrested or just harassed just because of my cultural differences. We should welcome visitors, because someone coming to our country to visit says that we are special enough for that person to be interested in visiting us, and they will be bringing their money to spend. It should be an opportunity to put our best foot forward.

      Well then you shouldn't visit most of Asia, all of the middle east, and a lot of Africa. There are many countries where you can and will be arrested if you disrespect their culture/religion/version-of-history. Not to mention harassment because of looking different. If you visit a country you best behave on their terms.

      (not defending the present USA draconian immigration measures, just pointing out "we're" nowhere near the worst offender)

    30. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, of course.

    31. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None-the-less, the headline is true. The graph is still trending down and we are still stuck "under" trump.

    32. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait - I haven't looked at any of the article or graphs, but you're using two months of data to make an argument?

      I also don't have a horse in this race. Couldnt care less if tourism numbers are down.

      But don't call a group of people idiots and then make an idiotic argument.

    33. Re:Good by fustakrakich · · Score: 0

      Bleh... When in the last 230 years weren't they?

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    34. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " where I could get arrested or just harassed just because of my cultural differences"

      citation needed.

    35. Re:Good by mrvan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah. It's not just Trump, and it's been going on for longer. I've been visiting the US regularly for work and tourism for at least the past 15 years, have lived there for half a year and had an American girlfriend for a while. Although every state has the right to subject foreign visitors to whatever restrictions and procedure they please, if they don't make me feel welcome it won't help convincing me to come again and spend money. My gripes:

      - The ESTA procedure, where we have to fill out some stupid web form in advance. It's not so much bother, but I'm a frequent traveller to many countries and it is easy to forget. Just give me the option to fill it in at the airport and let me run the (negligible) risk of not being admitted once I get there, or at least send me reminder emails between booking my flight and getting approval.

      - With the ESTA procedure, the US is the only developed/"western" country I have to pay to get in. I expect that kind of nonsense from Turkey or Vietnam, not the US...

      - Since living in Israel (a staunch US ally) for a semester and visiting tourist sites in nearby Jordan (with whom the US has friendly relations) I am frequently picked out of the line for extra questioning, often adding 30-60 minutes to my time to get through immigration. I can understand it the first time, but after having determined that I'm bona fide, just put a frigging note in my case file and leave me alone next time. Also, for me it is mosly annoying and sometimes amusing, but if I were non-white or had an arabic name I'm sure it would go from bad to worse pretty quickly.

      There must be a much smarter way to reduce risk of incoming visitors without annoying legimitate travelers, but it seems that the people in charge just don't care / don't see the real economic effects of current policy.

    36. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "You have the media to blame for that"

      Can you list which of these news agencies dropped bombs on other countries (sometimes in unprovoked attacks) and injured thousands of innocent civilians, and assassinated people with autonomous flying drones? Can you list even a single one? Because I'm willing to bet that seeing your family killed for no reason might stir up some resentment towards the killers, regardless of whatever the media says.

      Just sayin'.

    37. Re:Good by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Discussing (insert politician here) with a (insert politician here) supporter is like discussing a Nigerian prince with someone who just started using email and is convinced they're about become a multimillionaire.

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    38. Re:Good by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      This is governing? News to me. It's not exactly ruling in the traditional sense, but it hardly rises to the level of governing.

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    39. Re:Good by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Is a nation its government?

      What kind of question is that? Without a government, land is just sitting around waiting to be annexed by some nation... which has one

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    40. Re:Good by ganjadude · · Score: 0

      this should be modded funny not insightful

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    41. Re:Good by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      Just as a point of fact, the United States has two ruling parties that jointly govern.

    42. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Just as a point of principle, the United States does not have a "ruling" party, we have a governing party."

      And the difference is? (aside from the ability to rotate the leadership from among a tight-knit circle of ruling elite Old Boys)

    43. Re:Good by nine-times · · Score: 3, Informative

      the time frame when we were 98% sure hillary was going to win. so lets not try and put this on trump.

      That's not great logic. The article itself states that the trend started in the last month of the campaign, during which time the race was tightening. It's entirely possible that people were uneasy about visiting a country where Trump was a serious contender, and his violent and xenophobic followers were being frequently shown on the news.

      If you want to pick apart this analysis, there are better things to point to. Let's start by looking just at the graph, which seems to be your inclination. Going by the graph alone, it show enough historical data on that graph to draw any real conclusion. There's a downward trend, but that might be related to the time of year, or just be a random fluctuation. We would need to compare it to data from previous years to determine normal trends at a given time of year. We would need to look at how volatile the market is to determine whether the trend is outside the normal range of fluctuations.

      Then there's how the data was collected: "Foursquare’s data comes from approximately 13 million users who opted to share their locations with the company." One question would be, how accurate is that? Further, if the data is based on location data, then even if a drop in tourism began at roughly the same time as Trump's election, that's not enough to indicate a cause. It would be a coincidence of events without any causal link.

      On the other hand, it's hard to imagine that Trump's actions wouldn't have a dampening effect on voluntary travel to the US. He campaigned on the promise of getting rid of Mexicans and Muslims, assuming minorities are criminals, conducting trade wars, and putting immediate American economic interests above all else. He advocated torturing and killing innocent people if it might possibly make people feel that it would improve national security, even if it didn't actually improve it. His early actions included trying to revoke people's legal status and deport them to their country of origin (not necessarily the country they were traveling from, which makes this particularly dangerous).

      What's more, I would almost expect Trump supporters to welcome the drop in international tourism. It means that there are fewer foreigners, and probably fewer minorities, entering our country. Sure, it's bad for the economy and probably a sign of greater problems, but it's not as though Trump followers are able to think deeply about indirect consequences.

    44. Re:Good by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      So in order to like America, you must like the US government? Do you like the US government?

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    45. Re:Good by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      No, year over year differences only remove the linear trend, the y=t(n-1)+error part, not the seasonal multiplicative y=x*t(n-1) parts. For example if summer travel is best estimated as y=5*t(n-1)+t(n-1)+error, such that differencing leaves y=5*t(n-1)+error (since error isn't a constant). Where t(n)=travel in month n, and t(n-1) is the same value in the previous month.

    46. Re:Good by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I agree. People who hate us enough to resent it when we take safeguards, be it against foreign gangs like M13 via crackdown on illegal immigration, or against foreign terrorists via the attempted travel ban, can go fuck themselves. Or go to an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, or a Catholic Mass in Mindanao, or a scenic tour of Raqqa or Sirte, or hitchhiking across Yemen!!!

      Honestly, I don't give a fuck!

    47. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a nice economy you have there. It would be a shame if anything happened to it...

    48. Re:Good by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Informative

      that doesnt prove collusion though.... thats the issue. contact != collusion

      is it worth investigating? of course! but is that alone proof of wrongdoing? not at all. not to mention that "guccifer" may or may not be russian, let alone working with the russian government

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    49. Re:Good by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      on what planet is the election in the USA in september????

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    50. Re:Good by unixisc · · Score: 0

      Sure, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, Gaza...

    51. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just as a point of principle, the United States does not have a "ruling" party, we have a governing party.

      Both produce lots and lots of these "laws", whose authority over you ultimately comes from the completely credible threat of deadly force because they're backed by "men and women who have guns and will use them if you don't comply". So really, what's the difference?

      I suppose you think that a governing party cares about you and makes an effort to represent you, whereas an old-fashioned monarchy/peerage/aristocracy makes no such claims? Then my challenge to you is: pick a federal law, any federal law. Just try to get it repealed or changed. If you're not already in the "club", you stand no chance. The despot gets a point for honesty.

      No, your purpose (to them) is to do your job, be productive, vote for the carefully limited choices available to you to give them an appearance of legitimacy, and (if you are male of the correct age range) to provide cannon fodder the next time the major arms dealers need another useless foreign war to move their latest merchandise. That's what you're "good for". That's what they want with you. It's pretty much always been that way. So, what again was the difference?

    52. Re:Good by meta-monkey · · Score: 3, Informative

      One that shows you don't know what the fuck a nation is? A nation is its people, not its government.

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    53. Re:Good by techno-vampire · · Score: 2

      I have circumstantial evidence suggesting Trump is the reason...

      No, you don't. You have one, unverifiable anecdote. I'm not calling you a liar, but all we have is your unsupported claim that you've decided not to visit the US this year strictly because you don't like this country's policy on social media accounts.

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    54. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There have to be consequences when visitors threat their host countries the way muslims do.

      15 murdered little girls.

    55. Re:Good by pj2541 · · Score: 1

      No, year-over-year means that we compare November of last year to November of this year. Even if November has a seasonal variation of -50%, that won't show up in the year-over-year data. Assume that the traffic 9 months out of the year gets a score of 100, but that in October through December, it's 50. Comparing two years that are exactly the same shows a perfectly flat graph when presented as year-over-year, the seasonal variation is gone.

    56. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me too. You want my fingerprints? Have a finger instead. Pity because I enjoyed my visits. Trump and his supporters have made it a lot less welcoming, specially if you're brown or, Allah forbid, a Muslim (or Sikh, Hindu, Buddhist, Jain they're all the same right?)

    57. Re:Good by bit+trollent · · Score: 1

      Hehe, sure...

      Guccifer may not be Russian, though the evidence points to him being a Russian government agent.

      How someone can talk to a known participant to a criminal hack during the hack and data release itself without colluding is just beyond words. That may be enough to keep that traitor out of prison but give me a break. This is collusion.

      Trump's team may not be talking to the Russian government to coordinate their information and hacking attack on our presidential campaign, though the evidence shows that they did. Evidence further shows there was and is a quid pro quo, like changing the GOP platform to not oppose Russia's violent annexation of Crimea, part of our ally Ukraine's territory.

      The FBI may not be investigating Donald Trump because he conspired with a hostile foreign adversary's crime spree during our recent Presidential election, but leaks indicate that they are investigating exactly that conspiracy.

      The investigation is currently uncovering wrongdoing, but is not yet complete. Your suggestion that the fact that investigation is not yet complete actually indicates Trump's innocence is laughable.

    58. Re:Good by Jzanu · · Score: 0

      Not quite as seasonal variation itself is really the sum of several factors that themselves are influenced by longer cyclical patterns. Think y=5*t(n-1)+t(n-1)+5*t(n-1)*t(n-60) or something similar. The difference of a single year n-12 won't influence that, and the operation itself can't deal with multiplicative terms.

    59. Re: Good by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      I think Trump voters would agree.

      So, everybody is happy.

    60. Re:Good by bit+trollent · · Score: 1

      One correction - I see that you aren't claiming that Trump is innocent. I should be more careful.

    61. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just brief periods after each war. Soon as the morale is back up, it's off to the fields to fight some more battles.

    62. Re:Good by bobbied · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Now you can keep saying nothing has been found, but the FBI is finding stuff every day, and is building a report. Donald Trump admitted (to the Russian ambassador at the center of the investigation) in the Oval Office that he fired Comey to end the Russia investigation.

      LOL.. Ever heard of a "pull quote" and know what a "sound bite" is?

      Look, If Trump *really* fired Comey to stop an investigation into something, it was a really, really stupid blundering attempt to do so and would have been obviously doomed to failure. If you hold Trump in *that* much distain and think he is *really* that stupid and clueless, I don't see how you can believe he would be smart enough to be colluding with the Russians to throw the election, yet manage to not leave a smoking gun at the crime scene for some reporter to find. Trump may be brash, braggart and a rich white guy from New York, but he's obviously NOT that stupid or he'd lost his money a long time ago...

      Personally, I'm called to question your objectivity here... But hey, to each their own.

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    63. Re:Good by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      I never said he was innocent though... I said im waiting for more facts. I didnt vote for the man, im a rand paul guy. just like the left keeps believing hillary did no wrong, the right will believe trump did no wrong. im on the outside looking in waiting for actual proof of either

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    64. Re:Good by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      replied before this post was showing. thanks for the correction

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    65. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The king is dead, long live the king.

    66. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am sure the fact that you treat the world like shit and spy on them has nothing to do with it.
      You have some of the worst airports and airport staff in the civilized world, please don't get me wrong I do not consider America civilized because it isn't.

      Signed A Canadian @ 668 neighbor to the beast.

    67. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Discussing (insert politician here) with a (insert politician here) supporter is like discussing a Nigerian prince with someone who just started using email and is convinced they're about become a multimillionaire.

      Golf clap.

      And I bet you are in the "Trump and Clinton are basically the same!" camp.

    68. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? You don't remember the cryptographer that was detained because he had a funny sounding name? There are countless examples.

    69. Re:Good by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      on what planet is the election in the USA in september????

      Most states that allow early voting via mail. I usually mail in my ballot two weeks before the election. The last time I checked on this subject, Hillary didn't have the advantage on mail-in ballots as expected. Democrats are more likely than Republicans to vote by mail.

    70. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Really if you do not vote for A 100% corrupt Hillary you are spiteful. Her track record is very public, but all you care about is that you are electing a vagina at any price.
      Maybe moron the fact she had nearly all of the media and all of Hollywood on her side was a wake up call.
      Yet to see a democrat explain why Trump won with so much media twisting his words and stabbing him in the back.
      He won because of the left's massive arrogance.

    71. Re:Good by bit+trollent · · Score: 1

      You're right, you never said he was innocent. That was my mistake.

      The left does not believe Hillary did no wrong.

      I think you are discounting very sound evidence and more or less claiming it hasn't been proven just because the investigation is not yet complete.

    72. Re:Good by Serif · · Score: 2

      A long time ago, 20 years or so, I used to go on vacation to the US; visit the national parks, see the sights in the cities, the usual tourist things. It is a beautiful country, and I found the vast majority of people to be friendly and welcoming. I stopped going there by choice when immigration started treating myself and my family as if we were criminals. Now I only travel there on business, if I really have to and not if I can possibly avoid it. There are many countries out there which are equally beautiful, and where the people are equally friendly and welcoming. The difference is that they employ some of those folks as immigration officers.

    73. Re:Good by WindBourne · · Score: 0

      you mean when Trump was swearing up one side and the other that he would be cutting off travel by muslims and that he supports the far right nazi type groups in Europe?
      No, this was very likely an effect by Trump.
      BUT, do not let facts get in your way. After all, you have to come up with anything to defend your fuehrer.

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    74. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Der irony..

    75. Re:Good by WrongMonkey · · Score: 2
      Is the United States a nation? Despite what the ritualistic pledge states, it doesn't meet any of the anthropological criteria. No common language. No common religion. No common culture. No common cuisine. In fact, many scholars have made strong cases that the US is composite of several regional nations.

      https://www.amazon.com/Nine-Na...

      https://www.amazon.com/America...

      https://www.amazon.com/Our-Pat...

    76. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      When in written history has civilization not been in war?

      Oh, right. When someone else does your fighting. Europe anyone? Tell me more about the strong European leadership that put an end to the Bosnian war.

    77. Re:Good by bit+trollent · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your argument seems to hinge on Donald Trump being neither stupid nor deranged.

      I think you are on shaky footing there, to put it mildly...

      It's easy to collude with Russia and get caught. All you have to do is commit treason while not being careful enough to avoid investigation and prosecution.

      Colluding with Russia, and not getting caught in the act is considerably harder.

      Government experience would be helpful to avoid getting caught, and to avoid highlighting your treason by committing a major blunder. Donald Trump isn't bright, but his inexperience played a bigger part in his firing the FBI director for investigating Russia, and then bragging about it on TV and to the Russians.

    78. Re:Good by jimbolauski · · Score: 2

      Trips abroad are typically planned out months is advance, the question becomes what was going on in early to mid 2016 that would deter people from traveling to the US. We get it, you don't like Trump, but please try to use some logic in your arguments.

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    79. Re:Good by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Just as a point of principle, the United States does not have a "ruling" party, we have a governing party.

      Just as a point of fact, ... you keep telling yourself that.

    80. Re:Good by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1
      The "98%" figure probably refer to the notorious Huffington Post article that made that claim just prior to the election.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      Princeton Election Consortium made a similar predition

      http://election.princeton.edu/...

    81. Re:Good by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      yes, but North Korea, China, Russia, AQ, ISIS LOVE TRUMP.

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    82. Re:Good by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Hmm....a significant drop in people visiting here in the US from the middle east.

      Yeah..we're really gonna miss those guys....

      [rolls eyes]

      But frankly, I have no real inclination to leave the US to visit internationally either.

      I mean, I used to like to go to mexico, Cabo was one of my favorite places, but with all the drug crime down there, I have no inclination to go anywhere in MX anymore.

      I might do the caribbean, and even Cuba if they finally open it up more freely.

      But the US is so large and so diverse in its land and environments, I really don't have that much a reason to need to leave the country. I have a lot to explore here.

      That and I"m not really thrilled about the hassle of having to go get a passport.

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    83. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      on what planet is the election in the USA in september????

      Most states that allow early voting via mail. I usually mail in my ballot two weeks before the election. The last time I checked on this subject, Hillary didn't have the advantage on mail-in ballots as expected. Democrats are more likely than Republicans to vote by mail.

      LOL!

      Yes, and foreign tourists knew the results of those (secret) ballots and the election results weeks ahead of the election date and made their travel plans accordingly.

      You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

    84. Re:Good by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      yeah, no blame should EVER go on Trump.
      It is not like he was running around back then saying that he was good friends with Le Pen, Putin, and would have nothing to do with NATO, and would destroy
      And he never attacked China, Mexico, Germany, Japan, etc.

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    85. Re:Good by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

      You mean an Asshat Coward? Nope. Not even close.

    86. Re:Good by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Every nation gets the government it deserves.

      We got Trump.

    87. Re:Good by bobbied · · Score: 0

      LOL... Sorry there bit troll... Trump is president and will continue to be president for at least 3 years and 7 months more, you'd best get used to it...

      So you believe... You can be stupid but get lucky all your life? I guess that's your only hope of success then.. I whish you luck, you are going to need a lot of it. ;)

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    88. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats ok, we wont miss it :-) one way or another we will get your money so long as you're a consumer of oil and technology.

    89. Re:Good by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      You can call it "collusion" all you want, but I object to the term "attack". Even if everything said about Russia is true (Guccifer working for them, hacked the DNC and released emails, etc.), in the end Russia did not vote for Trump. The American people did. And I find it hard to throw blame onto other parties as long as the information released was actually true, even if it only aired the dirty laundry of one side. If you don't want your dirty laundry aired, then keep your laundry clean.

    90. Re:Good by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't want to visit a country, where I could get arrested or just harassed just because of my cultural differences

      You are a Republican?

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    91. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the governing party is old money,banks the fed. Hillary took in a lot of money trump did not add American logic and Hillary is a hero.

      Your election system will never change cause you people seem to love it the way it is, Hillary supporters did not seems to mind that she took massive sums of money from foreign powers. Where is the Clinton foundation the second she had no influence to peddle it ceased to exist not 1 word about that from Hillary worshipers.
      Regardless of whether Trump is a good president or not he won against some pretty extreme odds and without taking money from foreign and domestic scum bags and i think this is why the left hates him so much selling out is the American way.

    92. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on the visitor ... I shoot a few myself, but YMMV. Now, if only the USA lib.com slut sub-population will vacation in Tongaland, ISISville or Tavonia. Go on just do it bitches! You can fuck nibbers and die quick and help make life both productive & peaceful for law-abiding American yeomanry.

    93. Re:Good by jawtheshark · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yeah, well... I'm in the same boat. I would love to return to the US, but I said "I'm sure they'll become reasonable again when George Bush leaves office". Wait... George Bush? Yes! George Bush! It never got better, only got worse! My wife reminds me from time to time: You said we would go when Bush is gone... I usually reply: Yes, I did, but I assumed it would bet better again.

      This really isn't a caused by Trump. It's just gone downhill all these years with no hope of it getting better ever again. I don't expect to visit the US ever again.

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    94. Re:Good by Grishnakh · · Score: 0

      Because I'm pretty sure Trump wasn't elected until November 8, 2016.

      Wrong.

      Trump was elected in Cleveland in mid-July, at the Republican national convention. That's when the world realized that there was a very good possibility he'd win, and also when the world realized that Trump was not a joke candidate, but rather that around half of Americans actually liked him and were going to vote for him. They smartly started deciding that a country full of citizens stupid and racist enough to vote for this guy isn't a country worth visiting and spending your tourism Euros and Yen on. It took a couple months for the effect to really be seen though because people make their vacation plans and reservations months in advance.

    95. Re:Good by tbannist · · Score: 1

      One that shows you don't know what the fuck a nation is? A nation is its people, not its government.

      Who are led by the government they elected?

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    96. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > in September
      > two weeks before the election

      Two weeks before the election is in the month we call OCTOBER, friend.

      Of the states allowing early voting, only 11 allow voting as early as September, and only 3 of those allow voting before the very last week of September:
      Georgia - September 20
      Idaho - September 23
      Illinois - September 29
      Minnesota - September 23
      New Jersey - September 24
      North Carolina - September 9
      North Dakota - September 29
      South Dakota - September 23
      Vermont - September 23
      Wisconsin - September 19
      Wyoming - September 23

      Further, if you bother to look at the actual results shown just before the election, many swing states reported a Democrat edge in early voting results.

      So you're really suggesting that people started changing their travel plans in early September, based on early voting records that didn't get released to the public until late October, and which, when they were released, often showed an advantage for Clinton, anyway?

      Your assertion does not comport with the data we have available to us. I don't like Trump either, but there's no reason to just make shit up about his impact - there's plenty of real reasons why he's a train wreck.

    97. Re:Good by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      One that shows you don't know what the fuck a nation is? A nation is its people, not its government.

      A nation without a government rapidly becomes not a nation any more. The history of the United States tells us that.

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    98. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least the US isn't treating its citizens the way London is. Sounds like a damn police state.

    99. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would have been nice if you had posted something we could read and not something we have to buy.

    100. Re:Good by tbannist · · Score: 0

      Look, If Trump *really* fired Comey to stop an investigation into something, it was a really, really stupid blundering attempt to do so and would have been obviously doomed to failure. If you hold Trump in *that* much distain and think he is *really* that stupid and clueless, I don't see how you can believe he would be smart enough to be colluding with the Russians to throw the election, yet manage to not leave a smoking gun at the crime scene for some reporter to find.

      Of course, Trump actually said he fired Comey because he refused to stop the investigation... So have you considered that maybe Trump is really that stupid and clueless? I mean maybe Trump's covering up an even worse reason to fire Comey, but I'm hard pressed to imagine what that could be.

      Trump may be brash, braggart and a rich white guy from New York, but he's obviously NOT that stupid or he'd lost his money a long time ago...

      Did you even stop to think maybe he just has good lawyers? I mean he's lost a lot of money over the years, and his companies have gone bankrupt many times, but he's been shielded from the consequences of those bankruptcies, by contracts and money. He even managed to escape most of the consequences of running a fraudulent university...

      Also, if you stop and look at what you wrote, you might notice that you wrote that Trump must be smart because rich people can't be stupid or they wouldn't be rich. Do you really believe that?

      Lastly, you're obviously discounting the possibilities that Trump may be losing his faculties because of disease, drug abuse, or age.

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    101. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will spare you from the several thousand bucks that I would have carried across the pond to you.

      Big deal. The Fed can just print some more. Sucker.

    102. Re:Good by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

      Also consider the source, BuzzFeed.

    103. Re:Good by Beau1080p · · Score: 0

      Beau see anti trump article. Beau like anti trump article. Beau spam anti trump article. Beau no like words and no like trump either. Beau like Maxine Waters. Beau like floating islands. Beau like warm loving government take care of Beau and other privilege white male.

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    104. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It started with your stupid precheck which is actually a visa application with a different name and strange content. However, electing the Orange and all the additional border action made it clear to many EU citizens that they (a) do not feel save in the US and (b) feel not welcome. I met people at an international CS conference in Gothenburg who considered not submitting papers to US located conferences as long as the fascist shit is continuing.

    105. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's about time you people learn that it doesn't fucking matter what idiot you put at the helm, they're ALL crooks!

      And I wish YOU PEOPLE would see shades of grey. Yes, we know, they're "all crooks". But some are much, much worse than others.

      Those of us who live in reality understand that sometimes you have to make a choice between two bad things. I'm not just talking about politics here; I'm talking about anything from choice of car mechanic to choice of a child's cancer treatment. Sometimes, you have to make a choice that's crappy. Attempting to make a third secret choice and rationalizing yourself into smugness because you didn't chose among the bad options is an abdication of responsibility.

      It's definitely not a sign of I-know-better-than-all-of-you awareness that too many posters on Slashdot just love to wrap themselves in.

      So, yes, they're all crooks. But they're the crooks in charge. Fucking grow up and deal with it instead of saying "it doesn't matter!" You're wrong; it does matter, and you're making the world worse for the rest of us by claiming it doesn't.

    106. Re:Good by bobbied · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You got to dig deep to keep up the pretense... I understand...

      Can you at least admit that it just MIGHT be what Trump says all this is? That there was no collusion with the Russians and Firing Comey was intended from the beginning (just like he said during the campaign)? I'm not asking you to agree with all these, but at least accept that there is a possibility that the truth here is exactly the face value of what Trump claims?

      All the "evidence" we have right now of any of this amounts to sound bites and accusations of wrong doing coming mostly from political opponents of Trump or anonymous sources that reporters claim are "highly placed"..... We have lots of smoke and a whole lot of huffing and puffing from those trying to claim there is a raging forest fire...

      I believe that there is a group of people who are so aggravated with Trump for running and wining that they are obsessed with his destruction at any cost, including the truth. They have to keep up the pretense of Trump's presumed guilt or their whole world view will collapse..

      BTW... Remember the "I was Wiretapped" Trump claim? Did anybody hear the congressional testimony this week, the parts where they admitted that Trump's campaign WAS under surveillance??? (Of course you didn't, but it happened.)

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    107. Re:Good by dunkelfalke · · Score: 3, Interesting

      By your logic Germany is not a nation either.

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    108. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is the United States a nation? Despite what the ritualistic pledge states, it doesn't meet any of the anthropological criteria. No common language. No common religion. No common culture. No common cuisine. In fact, many scholars have made strong cases that the US is composite of several regional nations.

      https://www.amazon.com/Nine-Na...

      https://www.amazon.com/America...

      https://www.amazon.com/Our-Pat...

      The US speaks English, is predominately Christian, has movies TV shows and music that are recognized across the country, and leads the world on standardized food (McDonalds, Coca-Cola, Starbucks, all US).

      If anything it's that American culture is so successful it has been adopted into so many foreign countries that creates the illusion that there's no shared culture in the US, because you just forget that those golden arches in China are a piece of American culture that's been exported/appropriated, not an independant development of China.

      Additionally that definition is terrible as "religion" should be replaced with "rituals" as otehrwise is unfairly biases against any non-teological community. In the US we have quite a few rituals from the pledge of allegiance in school and the national anthem at sporting events, to homecoming dances at schools, to birthday ceremonies. You can pick any town in America and expect those rituals to be recognized and observed in more or less similar ways.

    109. Re:Good by mnmn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd be the last person to defend Trump, but I have to add my voice.

      As a Canadian, I had my social media accounts checked only once. It was brutal, 4 TSA guys asked me to login into both of my email accounts and facebook to go over months of texts and emails. Many questions were asked and many personal pictures were viewed. They had snarky comments to add but they did not find anything illegal. They did fixate on why my sister in law visited her family in Pakistan many years ago and if she saw terrorists, saw guns, saw bombs there etc etc. Things that make you go WTF.

      This went on for more than 2 hours while I paid for the long distance data plan. I have not before or since been checked this way, but I've been super careful of adding bearded friends on facebook or any jokes I share. Anything I write might be held against me years later as I go to my vacation passing through the USA.

      This was during the Obama administration.

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    110. Re:Good by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Well then you shouldn't visit most of Asia, all of the middle east, and a lot of Africa.

      Speaking for myself, I wouldn't... and for exactly the reasons that the other poster mentioned, above.

      I find it unfortunate that the USA, which happens to be located only about a 30 minute drive south of where I am currently typing this, is now among those countries.

    111. Re:Good by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      Maybe. That has been a historically controversial issue as well.

    112. Re:Good by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Most Americans will not visit these countries for those reasons, I would prefer that my vacation isn't filled up with the activity as political prisoner. Often these countries that are not considered Allied countries, will still often welcome visitors, however will give them a guided vacation. This isn't really experiencing the country as it is, but how they want you to see it.

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    113. Re:Good by asdfman2000 · · Score: 1

      And the Orange Prince also wants to put exploding laptops of businessmen in the cargo hold, apparently explosions there don't matter.

      While I hate the concept of a laptop ban as much as anyone (baggage throwers have destroyed so much of my shit), most explosives that one can sneak through inside of a laptop would need to be placed strategically against the side of the aircraft if they were actually trying to bring it down. So yeah, explosions matter less inside of the cargo hold.

    114. Re:Good by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Every one of your points could be applied to Germany as well, often actually even more so than to the USA.

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    115. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So. We should have sat out in WWI and WWII?

    116. Re:Good by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      "That and I"m not really thrilled about the hassle of having to go get a passport." Well, then your in luck! Soon you won't be able to get on a plane even for domestic flights without either a RealID-enabled driver's license or official US Passport. Luckily we don't (yet) have state-level border checks, so you can always still drive.

    117. Re:Good by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      no.... pretty sure up until election day it was all but assumed hillary was going to win. stop moving the goalposts......

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    118. Re:Good by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      "very likely" != "true"

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    119. Re:Good by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2, Informative

      So, they didn't even have some type of "secured" wifi that they forced you to connect to first? If I was designing some type of cross-border device checking, that would be part of my system. We connect your device to our wifi, have you log in; the whole time also sniffing your packets, performing MitM on all your SSL traffic, and have deep packet inspection going on looking for other, non-obvious communications coming from your devices. Especially I would look for VPN connections, and doing geo-locating all the IPs your devices are connecting to. Seriously, if your going to be an privacy-invasive government, you should do it right and go ALL the way.

    120. Re:Good by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      Trust the Government. The Government is your Friend.

    121. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and I'm boycotting [insert company] because Slashdot claims they're up to shady business practices.

      News at 11.

      Most of these kinds of posts are just blowing smoke. I'd even wager that you're an American who just has a stuck up their butt about one version of evil winning over another version of evil. The same evil has and will continue to take place. One just has the wrong party after their name (even though Trump is far from a Republican) for your chosen form of allowable evil. Yawn.

    122. Re:Good by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      Maybe. But I never claimed that Germany is a nation. So what's your point?

    123. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All part of Theresa May's Strong and Stable election campaign.

    124. Re:Good by Chas · · Score: 0

      There have to be consequences when a country treats their visitors the way the US do.

      You mean by arresting assholes that break our laws and shooting dumbfucks who intentionally try to kill people?

      If those types of people avoiding this country is a consequence, we could use more of it. Fuck them.

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    125. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      amen

    126. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "or he'd lost his money a long time ago..."

      Trump's companies have declared bankruptcy 6 times.

    127. Re:Good by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Well, then your in luck! Soon you won't be able to get on a plane even for domestic flights without either a RealID-enabled driver's license or official US Passport.

      Yeah..that's going to be interesting...as that LA didn't do RealID drivers licenses.

      I think a couple of other states refused to do that too...was it NH maybe one of them?

      anyway, will be interesting to see if they really don't let residents from states with no RealID on planes or not...

      I guess it means the US finally has a "national ID".

      *sigh*

      Sadly, you may be right that sooner rather than later we'll be hearing "papers please" just to even drive between states. What has happened to my country....?

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    128. Re:Good by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      There was talk of gathering social media usernames(no passwords) for visitors from visa-waiving programs or those using marriage visas during the last few months of Obama's term. At the time it was implemented it was only optional, and that people weren't being denied entry if they declined to share said information. It still wasn't okay, but it wasn't mandatory.

      source:
      http://www.mcclatchydc.com/new...

    129. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually no it wasn't. For someone who travels to and from the US 15 times a year. Things have gotten way worse at the border. Just look at average wait times at each airport immigration line. Plus the border officers have now turned snarky knowing that there will be no negative feedback against a bad attitude nowadays and we should be beholden to be allowed to enter.

    130. Re:Good by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      Did anybody hear the congressional testimony this week, the parts where they admitted that Trump's campaign WAS under surveillance?

      And why were they under surveillance? Oh, right. Their highly unusual communications with Russia.

      Nothing to see here, move along peon.

    131. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is NOT me saying it is OK for the US to do this. I am citizen of Canada and the US. I cross the border every other week, I live on the US side.

      Canada may not let you in, unless you let them scour your devices. They go through your texts, emails, and social media apps. Hell, there is a border patrol show, on CBC, that shows them doing this AND they all see okay with it.

      Again, I am not suggesting that two wrongs make a right. I am saying you should sweep your floors as should the Americans. It's getting dirty, all around.

    132. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prove that Trump is worth what he says he's worth. He's lost a lot of money on a lot of projects, has a history of not paying people. You don't have the information to say whether he is a successful businessman.

      So let's lay a few things out here. A couple decades ago some Russian wrote a book called 'Foundations of Geopolitics', which from what I recall of both was something akin to the 'Project for a New American Century' , basically laying out plans for their country's dominance. To some degree the contents of the Russian one can be considered obvious. Direct military conflict with the United States is foolhardy, and the espionage front is mostly sewn up on our side as well. Directly influencing the news media is risky and traceable, but hacking is easy, cheap, and deniable.

      Foundations of Geopolitics recommended a plan of political disruption in the United States, by funding extremist groups and targeting political organizations. Considered from the perspective of the enemy, hacking a major political organization during an election cycle is the ultimate prize.

      CIA officials have said that the leaked data was selectively released in response to announcements from the Trump campaign, carefully filtered to be on-message. I think it's highly unlikely that there was any explicit cooperation between Putin and the Trump campaign. I don't put many things past Trump, but I can't imagine anyone knowingly committing treason in order to become President.

      However, Trump is not necessarily the bigger part of this issue. Some nation just yanked the American electorate around by the nose, and again, it is neither expensive nor difficult nor risky to try to hack someone. And now that someone has shown it to be possible, all sorts of people will probably be trying their hand at it.

      Trump is proving to be a completely ineffective leader, which should surprise no one. Mostly though he's just comical. But his virtues or vices aside, it matters far less who is in office than that they are there because of the will of the American people, and not the will of some foreign power.

    133. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean by arresting assholes that break our laws and shooting dumbfucks who intentionally try to kill people?

      No, by treeating every single visitor as though they were a criminal with lots of pointless security theatre and arbitrary rules applied by unaccountable idiots.

      If those types of people avoiding this country is a consequence, we could use more of it. Fuck them.

      The overwhelming majority of the type of people you describe, at least within the Western world, are already in the US. No amount of security theatre can change that in the slightest. It is, coincidentally, also why the US is such a shitty place.

    134. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guccifer is Serbian. He's actually in a documentary from before the hack. Well before it, as I recall. It is something like The Most Dangerous Place On The Internet? I forget the name. We have no idea where 2.0 was located. The original was in the US for prosecution, well before the hacks of the DNC. The first one kinda blew her cover, which is why we knew she had a private email server.

      Now back to your regularly scheduled conversation.

    135. Re:Good by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      Is a nation its government?

      No, it is not. When people pledge allegiance to the USA they are not pledging allegiance to Donald Trump. Hope they remember that.

    136. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cargo is also, usually, inside a second container. They load them up and then put the whole container on the plane. They are explosion resistant. No, not explosion proof - not much is. But, yeah...

      Sometimes I think we Independents need a Correct The Record thing, like the Dems had.

    137. Re:Good by sit1963nz · · Score: 1

      As a New Zealander and a person who has been to the USA 6-7 times, at times for 4 plus weeks , either for work or personal travel by myself or with family let me correct you.

      We as a family have made the decision to avoid the USA. And I am not alone, talking to work colleges , friends, and family, they feel the same.

      We can travel to Europe via Singapore, Hong Kong, Dubai, and other ports. At work we are now encouraged to choose conferences outside the USA.
      There is no need to go to the USA, sure I can't see the Grand Canyon from anywhere else but the USA, but you can't see the Pyramids, the Colosseum , Eiffel Tower, Loch Ness, the Terracotta Soldiers, Christ the Redeemer, and millions of other sights from inside the USA either.

      96% of the worlds population are not US citizens, and than means 96% of the world, its culture, its history, its sights, food,etc etc etc are not in the USA either.
      There is nothing magical about the USA or its people.

      Sure you voted to have Trump, you have allowed invasive searches, you have allowed punitive law enforcement, we however are saying no, not anymore, and we get to vote with our wallets.

      Shout USA USA USA, demand US first, just remember as you do this that the 96% who don't live there are entitled to put the US last.

    138. Re:Good by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      If you hold Trump in *that* much distain and think he is *really* that stupid and clueless, I don't see how you can believe he would be smart enough to be colluding with the Russians to throw the election

      I think the technical term is pawn.

    139. Re:Good by sit1963nz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nope, we were there for 4 weeks about 12 months ago.

      We have now chosen as a family not to go back,and its not just me and my family, its lots of people I know.

    140. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, he hasn't actually attacked any of the countries that you listed.

      You make it hard to support your side. Stop that. Really. This is why you lost.

      For the record, I voted Stein. It didn't make one bit of difference. It is mathematically impossibly for the third party voters to have changed the outcome, in my district and State.

    141. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There have to be consequences when a country treats their visitors the way the US do.

      The US is NOT unique in treating visitors poorly.

      I have a felony conviction for a non-violent crime ( it had to do with taxes, and has been fully resolved for over 20 years ) and as a US citizen
      I am not welcome to travel in Canada. Does this bother me ? Not in the slightest. There are plenty of other places I can enjoy spending my tourist dollars. My view about Canada doing this is that they are hurting themselves ( I spend money freely when I travel and I travel a lot ) but not hurting me even slightly.

      I can travel to virtually ANY other country in the world without hassles. What this tells me is that Canada is unique in considering me an "undesirable",
      and that means it is more likely that Canada is the party making a mistake in this situation. So, hello EU countries ( here I come, with money to spend ) and no tears shed by me for Canada's policy.

    142. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm... Then why wouldn't they visit in that period BEFORE Trump took office and after the election?

    143. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You pretty well did.

    144. Re:Good by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      So tolerant! to be PC like you guys would like everybody to be. You're not allowed to say that. Hypocrite much?

    145. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are absolutely going to miss tourism from the Middle East. It's one of the few ways someone from there could learn that Americans aren't entirely colossal dipshits that want them dead.

    146. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US is tiny.

      You're tiny.

      You don't understand either of those things. I pity you.

    147. Re: Good by thundercattt · · Score: 1

      I cancelled my road trip through the US once i saw all this "hand everything over to us" nonsense. I didn't want to have to explain I have no social media, my phone's at home, you're welcome to my Slashdot account.

    148. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, man. If we'd elected corrupt Hillary we would have ended up with some former Goldman Sachs people in government. What a terrible predicament we'd have then...

    149. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're missing the point, as others have stated, this isn't a Trump policy at all. So stay the fuck home until you learn some basic reading skills.

    150. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think the GOP has been too interested in 'governing' for some time :P

    151. Re: Good by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Actually I'm white, but we've had enough of that racist bullshit a while ago in my home country. I don't need to be reminded of that shit, the world already keeps reminding me enough as it is, thank you.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    152. Re:Good by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Did anybody hear the congressional testimony this week, the parts where they admitted that Trump's campaign WAS under surveillance?

      And why were they under surveillance? Oh, right. Their highly unusual communications with Russia.

      Nothing to see here, move along peon.

      Well there is that collusion idea that's been nursed along for 10 month now or perhaps it was done for political purposes? Could it be that the Obama administration was snooping on the Trump campaign and used this as an excuse? Oh? I have no proof of that? You are right, except that it now seems Trump's "wire tapped" Tweet was correct, even though he was laughed at back then.

      BTW. Unusual doesn't imply a crime was being discussed or collusion (the big lie in all this) was going on between Trump and the Russians any more than "Unusual monitoring" means Obama was colluding with Clinton to try and spy on Trump's campaign in a way reminiscent of Watergate only worse.

      Either conclusion has about the same support with the known evidence, only we are actually finding evidence that Trump was illegally monitored by the previous administration. Beware, we have a special investigator now, so all bets are off as to what he's going to find, except Trump has been examined in detail for 10 months now and no significant evidence has made an appearance. That tells me that there isn't a good chance they will find anything on Trump, or it would have leaked out by now.

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      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    153. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vote Trump. Vote Sausage Party.

    154. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citizens get treated poorly as well.

    155. Re:Good by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      a country full of citizens stupid and racist enough

      Yes. Yes, because that is how you convey your point. People like you are why he got elected in the first place. We have too many of you, and not enough sane people.

    156. Re:Good by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Honestly in his defence, being AC and all. He had a valid point. Which you denied even responding to.

    157. Re: Good by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      aaaactually you can blame the extremists for that.

    158. Re:Good by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Neither oil nor technology comes into my country from the US in significant amounts. Cars are local or German, kitchen appliances are local, German or Chinese, computers are Chinese or Korean, etc. etc. Oil is either Russian or Middle-Eastern.

      --
      Ezekiel 23:20
    159. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it anybody that doesnt say "Everybody is welcome no matter your upbringing or extremism" is a racist nazi? I dont understand that.

    160. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the point was when you were in the US before you were subjected to exactly the same stuff as if you came next week. The difference is your perception based on Trump's big mouth and your (increased?) awareness to the issues with the media reporting on it now that Trump is in charge. But that isn't entirely true, depending on your background and country of origin it may take longer to get a travel visa to visit just because there are a few extra levels of checks.

    161. Re:Good by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      You cant really play the "innocent bystander" card when most of your neighbors are terrorists living life to kill people in the west.

    162. Re:Good by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Okay, name a country that is a nation. None of any size are linguistically, religiously, culturally, or culinarily homogenous. You'll find that's also true in the "nine nations". I think your definition of "nation" isn't really useful.

      Most of the US speaks English. Most are nominally Christian. There is a common culture, primarily maintained through TV and movies. There are lots of different cuisines, but everybody's got a McDonald's reasonably close.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    163. Re:Good by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      We have evidence of collusion with Russia and attempts to cover that up. We'll know how strong the evidence is when the investigation is over. I think it very likely that there was serious collusion.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    164. Re:Good by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Trump is 70, and does not appear to live a healthy lifestyle. People like that can develop serious health problems rapidly. That could take him out. He could get frustrated enough to resign, which seems unlikely but possible. As long as he's got good approval ratings with Republican voters, he won't be impeached and convicted (the Democrats physically cannot get a large Senate majority in 2018). The Twenty-Fifth Amendment route would involve agreement among a lot of Cabinet officials who wouldn't be kept by a sane administration. He's probably there until January 20, 2021.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    165. Re:Good by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      +1

    166. Re:Good by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      "we're" nowhere near the worst offender)

      As a reasonably patriotic US citizen, I find that attitude depressing. I want my country to be good, not just less bad than that of lots of developing countries.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    167. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, what happened is your post previous to this, where you were rolling your eyes and being an ignorant retard. When I say "retard", I'm suggesting that you have a severe mental deficiency.

    168. Re:Good by multi+io · · Score: 1

      For example...

      Russian Collusion..... Do you think it actually happened? If you think "yes", Chances are you are anti-Trump. However, after 10 months, we have no evidence of this when you look at what's actually known.

      Did Michael Flynn resign or not?

    169. Re:Good by bobbied · · Score: 2

      Be prepared for exactly the opposite conclusion.. After 10 months of probing by the FBI and Congress there is no smoking gun in sight. There's been a LOT of looking, and nothing has really shown up yet (and we have TRANSCRIPTS of some of these calls now)! Where this doesn't prove evidence doesn't exist the sad truth is that you cannot prove a negative or require the accused to do so.

      So, I'm going to ask you an important question. Do you see a possibility that no crime was committed here? If not, is there anything that could cause you to question that belief? Remember, you cannot prove a negative, which is why in the USA the legal system assumes the accused is innocent until proven guilty.

      If you still are saying "no, it's not possible that I'm wrong and nothing will convince me otherwise" then you are just admitting you are not an unbiased party here.

      --
      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    170. Re:Good by osiaq · · Score: 0

      This is from buzzfeed - one of the main reason people puke thinking of visiting USA. I rejected relocation to Menlo Park 3 years ago and hey - this had nothing to do with Trump. Few more years earlier I would die to have the opportunity to visit US.

    171. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      flamebait

      Opps! You shouldn't try to bring facts into an anti-republican bitch fest. They have no place here.

    172. Re:Good by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      Okay, name a country that is a nation.

      Countries where one ethnic group make up more than 95% of the population:

      Albania, Armenia, Bangladesh, Egypt, Estonia, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Japan, Lesotho, Maldives, Mongolia, Korea, Poland, Portugal, Swaziland. There are other countries that could be counted as nations, too. But those are the easiest to quantify and you only asked for one.

      Most of the US speaks English. Most are nominally Christian

      Over 20% of the US doesn't speak English as a primary language. Over 30% doesn't practice Christianity. The various sects of Christianity are not even culturally homogeneous. Can you honestly say that the predominant religious culture in Utah is the same as Vermont? I think not.

      There is a common culture, primarily maintained through TV and movies.

      National Culture is a inter-generational concept. Do we watch the same movies and TV as our grandparents? Of course not.

      everybody's got a McDonald's reasonably close

      McDonald's was founded as a bbq restaurant in 1940, the first franchise (with hamburgers and arches) was opened in 1953. Unless you are suggesting that the national identity of the United States less than 80 years old, this doesn't hold up either.

    173. Re:Good by bobbied · · Score: 1

      For example...

      Russian Collusion..... Do you think it actually happened? If you think "yes", Chances are you are anti-Trump. However, after 10 months, we have no evidence of this when you look at what's actually known.

      Did Michael Flynn resign or not?

      Flynn was fired for not telling the whole truth to Pence. Apparently Flynn didn't fully disclose his foreign financial dealings as required and may pay the price for his omissions. However, other than a side show, how does Flynn's mess reflect directly onto Trump or his administration? They canned him when they became aware of the problem, what else would you suggest they should have done? They made a mistake and hired the wrong guy (who was approved by the Senate by the way, including democratic votes) and let him go when the mistake became known. Obama hired this guy too you recall....

      So what does Flynn have to do with your theory? If you think he was the one who was doing the colluding for Trump, just grant him immunity and see if that's true, but I'm guessing that will only give up the only real possible prosecution you can hope for here.

      --
      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    174. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably less traffic accidents would be my guess at consequences.

    175. Re:Good by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Those who throw their hopes in Impeachment are nuts. Unless the republicans loose bigly (tm) in the midterms, and I mean unprecedented losses, there is no way they will agree to impeach Trump, even then I don't see any upside for republicans who do this. Impeachment has a snowball's chance, so if you've pinned your hopes on that, prepare for disappointment...

      IF Trump dies in office, his VP will take over. Pence was chosen to placate the conservative right in the party and I seriously doubt the left will be very happy with HIS positions should he take office. He won't be an easy target either because he's a bit more PC in most ways.

      --
      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    176. Re:Good by multi+io · · Score: 1

      LOL.. Ever heard of a "pull quote" and know what a "sound bite" is?

      Look, If Trump *really* fired Comey to stop an investigation into something, it was a really, really stupid blundering attempt to do so and would have been obviously doomed to failure.

      Exactly. It was stupid.

      If you hold Trump in *that* much distain and think he is *really* that stupid and clueless, I don't see how you can believe he would be smart enough to be colluding with the Russians to throw the election,

      If you want to hear my take: He's not. People in his team "colluded", Trump did not, because indeed he'd be too stupid to pull it off. Look at how he inadvertently boasts about state secrets in front of foreign officials/ex-spies without even realising it. He's really giddy that the grownups told him so many secrets things, and he can't stop telling everyone about it. The guy is a child.

      If you really think Trump did NOT fire Comey because of "the Russia thing", you have to present a plausible alternative theory. There is none. And btw., this doesn't mean that he himself was involved in the collusion, it just means he can't stand any bad press or anyone not praising him constantly. He wanted the whole thing gone. The fact that he thought firing Comey would achieve that is another testament to his stupidity.

    177. Re:Good by multi+io · · Score: 1

      For example...

      Russian Collusion..... Do you think it actually happened? If you think "yes", Chances are you are anti-Trump. However, after 10 months, we have no evidence of this when you look at what's actually known.

      Did Michael Flynn resign or not?

      Flynn was fired for not telling the whole truth to Pence. Apparently Flynn didn't fully disclose his foreign financial dealings as required and may pay the price for his omissions. However, other than a side show, how does Flynn's mess reflect directly onto Trump or his administration? They canned him when they became aware of the problem,

      No. They kept him in charge when they became aware of the problem and only fired him after it was leaked to the press.

      what else would you suggest they should have done? They made a mistake and hired the wrong guy (who was approved by the Senate by the way, including democratic votes) and let him go when the mistake became known. Obama hired this guy too you recall....

      I recall that Obama fired this guy, and warned Trump about him.

    178. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're still an idiot.

    179. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you sound interesting.

    180. Re:Good by bobbied · · Score: 1

      There is no reason to fire Comey? LOL How soon you folks choose to forget..

      You would have canned him when he disclosed that Hillary WAS under investigation during the campaign, then you loved him when he let her off, then you hated him when Weiner's laptop came up and he "re-opened" the investigation and by the time he "closed" it again I'm sure you where exasperated by him, just like I was the whole time. He should have done the Hillary investigation and punted the whole thing to the AG and kept the FBI out of the campaign.

      How soon you forget... I remember that Trump was calling for Comey's head during the campaign (about the time you loved him) for letting Hillary off the hook. (You recall the "lock her up" chants right?) Did you forget all this? Perhaps if you remembered this, you might have to admit that Trump's "He's a Showboat" reason might be enough to fire the FBI director. Surely you admit that Comey was way too political during the campaign, which itself is enough to justify canning him.

      But no, you have memories that are too short and simply MUST take everything Trump says and does in the worst possible way, even if you had previously held the same position...

      --
      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    181. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BTW... Remember the "I was Wiretapped" Trump claim? Did anybody hear the congressional testimony this week, the parts where they admitted that Trump's campaign WAS under surveillance??? (Of course you didn't, but it happened.)

      What the what?!

    182. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, someone didn't scroll down.

      The word "nation" is sometimes used as synonym for:
              State (polity) or sovereign state: a government which controls a specific territory, which may or may not be associated with any particular ethnic group
              Country: a geographic territory, which may or may not have an affiliation with a government or ethnic group

      Thus the phrase "nations of the world" could be referring to the top-level governments (as in the name for the United Nations), various large geographical territories, or various large ethnic groups of the planet.

    183. Re:Good by bobbied · · Score: 1

      That's not exactly how I recall the facts on either Flynn firing, but what difference does any of this make?

      Flynn got canned by Trump for withholding the truth pretty quickly after they where told about the issue. Yes, it took a few days, but how is that a big issue? You don't just go canning folks willy nilly when you hear a rumor about somebody, you have to investigate and make sure the rumor is true. Right?

      Also, don't forget that Flynn went though the Senate confirmation process and NOBODY said anything about any of these paperwork omissions or brought up the reasons he got canned by Obama... Where were you guys then if Flynn was such a bad dude that you all knew he was a problem?

      A few days delay, especially during the first few days of an administration who was still trying to get their cabinet though confirmation due to democratic obstruction, seems pretty fast to me.

      Of course, to the conspiracy theorist a few days delay in the midst of a very busy time is everything....

      --
      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    184. Re:Good by sit1963nz · · Score: 1

      Are you that stupid to think that only Muslims murder ? How were the 640 people in the UK murdered last year killed ?
      Drivers, you must hate people who drive cars, over 1800 deaths in 2016 many of them children too.
      Wait I know, how about people who drink and drive, they cause about 1/3 of the road toll, thats nearly the same number as people who were murdered.
      Know any Irish people, do you hate them the same way, or are all the deaths caused by the IRA OK because the Irish look the same as you ?
      Do you hate the US, because guess where the funding and weapons came from.
      What about Germans, and Italians , bombs being dropped on London and all during WWII

      Your irrationality, bigotry, racism and hate make you not that much different from those you malign.

    185. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time to stop running your child prostitutes so much then, Pedro.

    186. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, they're all coming fast.

    187. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the only way colossal dipshits like you could learn that they want Americans dead.

    188. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you actually look at the graph, it was falling prior to the election at almost the same rate

      Okay, so why isn't Trump fixing it? If he's not part of the solution then he's part of the problem.

    189. Re:Good by sit1963nz · · Score: 2

      There have to be consequences when a country treats their visitors the way the US do.

      You mean by arresting assholes that break our laws and shooting dumbfucks who intentionally try to kill people?

      If those types of people avoiding this country is a consequence, we could use more of it. Fuck them.

      And yet last week I read of a US school boy being put in Juvi because he burped in class repeatedly.
      The USA has an incredibly punitive justice system, it has the highest prison population (per 100,000) in the world, and has done for generations.

      You would think if this actually worked, the US would have lower crime stats than other 1st world countries, it doesn't, they are MUCH higher
      You would think that repeat offending would be low, its not, its amongst the highest in the 1st world , over 80% within 5 years

      Your idea of using brutality and revenge as a means of discouraging offending has failed , it has never worked.

      Something that might help is the USA understanding its "interests" finish at its boarders.

      Something else that will help is that the people in the countries the US drops bombs on , and kills their children, destroys their homes and schools and places of worship, causes wide spread anger and hate, much like yours. Why is a bomb dropped by a US drone and killing children OK, why is this not also a terrorist attack ?. The US has no moral high ground here, none.

    190. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously dude - no one gives a shit about new zealand. And you want racism ? Look how you all treat the indigenous people down under.

      Most of the places you listed have far more racism than the US ever will.

      Long time London and singapore expat. Get off your high horse kiwi and just go where you want without your stupid fucking rant.

    191. Re:Good by Cl1mh4224rd · · Score: 2

      Can you at least admit that it just MIGHT be what Trump says all this is? That there was no collusion with the Russians and Firing Comey was intended from the beginning (just like he said during the campaign)?

      Possible? Sure. Probable? It doesn't seem likely.

      How far behind the news are you? Because apparently Trump's tried several times to get folks (including Comey himself) to end the Russia investigation. His attempts are even being described as, potentially, obstruction of justice, and not just by left-leaning Trump critics.

      Given such information, your best defense is that Trump might actually be stupid enough to try and cover up a non-existent crime/scandal.

      --
      People will pass up steak once a week, for crap every day.
    192. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's one of those retarded libertarians. So, yeah he does think they're the same and no matter how much BS he tries to spew at you, he voted for trump.

    193. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a group of people who are so aggravated with niiggers, spics, chinks, jews, and ragheads that they are obsessed with their destruction at any cost, and will forgive trump for anything. You think you're insightful but you're not, apologist.

    194. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are these "you guys"? The post was one word, dumbass. You ASSume a lot. I bet it's a problem for ya.

    195. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the ESTA procedure, the US is the only developed/"western" country I have to pay to get in.

      Canada has had the eTA procedure for about a year now. It's similar to the ESTA procedure, in that it costs Cdn$7 for 5 years (or your passport changes before then).

    196. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, these figures are just the start.
      Then next lot will see numbers drop off a cliff.
      Why would anyone want to a visit a shithole full of mentally ill people with guns, trigger happy arrogant police, and dumb bigoted racists, led by a moronic scumbag?
      Its time the bits at the edges seceded and formed civillised countries, and let the inbred flyover states rot in their own private swamp.

    197. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aww, poor RWNJ snowflake is triggered, and shooting the messenger.
      What a pathetic life you must have to go to the trouble to create an id that just makes you seem to be an inbred dumbfuck.

    198. Re:Good by Noble713 · · Score: 1

      But the US is so large and so diverse in its land and environments, I really don't have that much a reason to need to leave the country. I have a lot to explore here.

      Then you are really missing out on the true benefit of travel: the people you meet. Mountains and beaches may be the same anywhere, but the relationships you form with new people are what make it all worthwhile. I'm an American service member and in the past 6 years I've spent only 3 months in the US (2 x 1-month exercises and 1 month visiting family), and it's not because of the landscapes out here in Asia.

    199. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perception is everything.

    200. Re:Good by Tranzistors · · Score: 1

      Logic might not help, tourism is heavily influenced by peoples sentiment. Is the decline because Egypt seem a bit safer or because US politics has been in the news for the whole 2016 and the image that it projected about the US was not flattering. Who knows? It's like trying to explain movements of stock price fluctuations of a company.

    201. Re: Good by nachtelfjeiu · · Score: 1

      I, for one, am a European who abandoned all travel plans to revisit the US because of Trump. It's just not a country i feel happy to visit anymore. Too much selfishness, too much lies, too much arrogance.

    202. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be the last person to defend Trump, but I have to add my voice.

      As a Canadian, I had my social media accounts checked only once. It was brutal, 4 TSA guys asked me to login into both of my email accounts and facebook to go over months of texts and emails. Many questions were asked and many personal pictures were viewed. They had snarky comments to add but they did not find anything illegal. They did fixate on why my sister in law visited her family in Pakistan many years ago and if she saw terrorists, saw guns, saw bombs there etc etc. Things that make you go WTF.

      This went on for more than 2 hours while I paid for the long distance data plan. I have not before or since been checked this way, but I've been super careful of adding bearded friends on facebook or any jokes I share. Anything I write might be held against me years later as I go to my vacation passing through the USA.

      This was during the Obama administration.

      Which is why many of us wanted Bernie.

    203. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha.

      I been thinking of visiting US for oh ... last 10 years or so I think.

      I even have friends there whom I would love to visit.

      The airport security theater crap has put me off.

      So instead I have been to a couple of places in Europe and a bunch of places in Asia.

      I imagine they lost at least 10-15 worth of trips just from me and my family (my familar often travels with me, so each of my trip would probably have meant 2 to maybe 5 people). Wonder how many 10000s they lost out just from my family alone due to such crap.

    204. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't make it a non-story, just a slightly different one. Both options were shit. A slightly different flavor of shit, perhaps, but shit all the same.

    205. Re:Good by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      "Hell is other people."

      There's nothing magical about meeting other people, especially if one is an introvert.

    206. Re:Good by Chas · · Score: 1

      Your idea of using brutality and revenge as a means of discouraging offending has failed , it has never worked.

      No. It works just fine.

      But too many people have been conditioned to want to "understand" these rabid animals, instead of eradicating them for public safety reasons.

      Basically it's a pernicious form of Stockholm Syndrome.

      The reason terror is such an easy tool to use right now is because they're DEPENDING on their opposition being spineless and weak. It makes it easier to get away with things.

      However, if you brutally eradicate these people when they try stuff like this (and go after those claiming credit for it), suddenly martyrdom and terror doesn't seem like such a pleasant option anymore.

      You can mutter about those hunting dragons eventually becoming dragons.

      The fact is, we were ALWAYS dragons. We've just been afraid of what could happen if we really cut loose.

      And there are a bunch of stupid fuckers out there who INSIST on tickling the dragon's tail...

      --


      Chas - The one, the only.
      THANK GOD!!!
    207. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good. We left you idiots behind long ago for a reason. Our only mistake was making laws more like EU laws.

    208. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hat the US sat out WWI, WWII would probably not have happened.

    209. Re:Good by Xest · · Score: 1

      As a Canadian you may be interested to hear that the only time I experienced anything like this was at Ottawa airport by Canadian immigration and control.

      I was held for 3 hours and questioned about literally everything from my job, my family, my financial status, my love life, my reasons for travel. I was threatened with jail if I was lying, told I could be shipped back on the next flight due in an hour, I was asked if I had a criminal record, told them no, warned me they could check, I said fine, then they didn't bother. I had my suitcase checked inside out, they forced me to log into my laptop then took it away to check, they asked if I had any beastiality or other illegal images on my camera.

      Eventually they realised that I was a perfectly normal human being who just wanted to get the fuck on with his holiday and let me go.

      This was in 2005, under Canada's Liberal Party.

      Turns out, customs and immigration are pretty much just dicks wherever you go. Though to be fair, I've always travelled through Montreal and Toronto since and never had any issues. It may just be Ottawa airport in Canada that's specially staffed by dickheads.

    210. Re:Good by multi+io · · Score: 1

      There is no reason to fire Comey?

      No, there is no alternative theory why TRUMP would've fired him, at the point in time when he did. Trump doesn't care about "reasons".

    211. Re: Good by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      But the US is so large and so diverse

      Bwuahahhahahahaahahhaha

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    212. Re:Good by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Discussing Trump with a Trump supporter is like discussing a Nigerian prince with someone who just started using email and is convinced they're about become a multimillionaire.

      It would have been a valid point that the graph doesn't go back far enough to rule out effects from seasonal variations - if you had made that point. But your claim that US tourism was falling at the same rate prior to the election is total BS. Yes, there was a significant drop from September to October. But the month before that it was level. And the month before that it was increasing.

      I know you want to believe in your Nigerian prince. But the data does strongly suggest that Trump's policy toward foreign visitors is hurting the US tourism industry.

      I'm a white guy, as is my wife (and we no longer feel comfortable to cross the Canadian border to visit the USA). We used to take one or two day shopping trips, and no more. The mood that we see on CNN, NBC, ABC, and BBC (yes, BBC) is very negative, showing mainly 50%negative political views and 50% crime. Who wants to visit a politically biased crime laden country?

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    213. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the collusion theorists had anything, we'd have been inundated with it by now.

    214. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...which is irrelevant, because he was talking about who "loves" Trump, and there clearly is a difference between nations and governments here.

    215. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He admitted publicly that it was linked to this investigation.

      Also, I'm pretty sure that he inherited his money and lost a part of it since...

    216. Re:Good by bobbied · · Score: 1

      You are just suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome Bias Disorder (TDSBD tm)... In your world, Trump cannot do anything right...

      Come on... At least grant that there is a *possibility* that Trump had a reason to fire Comey other than some ill-conceived attempted cover-up...

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    217. Re:Good by bobbied · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty up to date, but I don't think you are...

      Most folks don't actually read the articles that "expose" all this supposed illicit activity and actually THINK about what's really there. In most of these articles from the sources that still make a pretense of being newsworthy have to admit that there is "no evidence" beyond all the unnamed sources. The big players with actual names, those who actually have the facts, classified and otherwise, have all had to admit they don't have any hard evidence of any crime by Trump or his associates (with the possible exception of Flynn). Even those talking impeachment have to admit that there is nothing yet known that justifies that.

      I suggest you keep your mind open to the possibility that Trump didn't do anything illegall during the campaign, during the transition or even as president. I suspect that a lot of this stuff is really just trumped up (pun intended) by Trump's detractors in order to damage him politically... Actually there is more evidence of this theory than all the rest of the stuff you may believe.

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    218. Re:Good by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      It's possible that no crime was committed, and it's definitely possible that there will not be enough evidence to convict. Russia was probably meddling in the election, and there were a lot of contacts with Trump officials and Russians. What makes me more suspicious is the cover-up: given an appearance of impropriety, an attempt to cover it up and impede an investigation suggests there is something to it.

      You don't know that there's no smoking gun. The investigation is continuing, and there has been no final report. There's good reasons why investigators don't reveal all the evidence they find when they find it.

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    219. Re:Good by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Can you at least admit that it just MIGHT be what Trump says all this is?

      Oh sure, and monkeys just might come flying out my butt. Frankly, I think my thing is more likely than yours.

      BTW... Remember the "I was Wiretapped" Trump claim? Did anybody hear the congressional testimony this week, the parts where they admitted that Trump's campaign WAS under surveillance??? (Of course you didn't, but it happened.)

      Wait, so does the Trump campaign count as being under-surveillance because they hired people who were under investigation for espionage?

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    220. Re:Good by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      hmmm.
      Lets see. He invited neo-nazi and KKK to his rallies.
      La Pen was backed by the nazi's as well.
      and Trump did say that he backed the various far right wingers such as la pen.

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    221. Re: Good by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      that is OK. I normally vote Libertarian and total understand your voting for Stein (I could not since she opposes nuke power and was dead wrong on vaccines).
      As to the later part of my posting, that was my small nexus 4 phone cutting things that I was not aware of. Sorry.

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    222. Re:Good by OneAhead · · Score: 1

      I have circumstantial evidence suggestin Trump is the reason...

      No, you don't. You have one, unverifiable anecdote.

      Please find a dictionary (there are some online) and look up "circumstantial evidence".

    223. Re:Good by bobbied · · Score: 1

      No, I don't know that there isn't a smoking gun and I cannot prove a negative, so the theory stays alive, and will forever.

      How long will it take to fully investigate this? I dare say, this will be going on until Trump leaves office, however long that is, regardless of what is or isn't found. Why? Because the point of this "investigation" isn't to find the truth, but to bash Trump's administration as much as possible. How do I know? Just listen to the wildly exaggerated claims being made. We have very important people talking about impeachment and treason, both of which are extreme logical leaps given the facts we actually can confirm at this point...

      Mark my words.. This will be fodder for the mid-term elections, used by democrats to bludgeon their opponents whenever possible. It won't go away, the democrats won't let it, regardless of what they manage to find or not find.

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    224. Re: Good by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      My point is that despite your "anthropological criteria" Germany is clearly a nation, so either these criteria are wrong or you simply don't understand them. Which one is it?

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    225. Re: Good by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      Is Germany clearly a nation? You're just asserting that with providing any support. If you have a problem with my criteria, the burden is on you to offer an alternative. What are the conditions that define a nation (as opposed to a country) and does Germany meet them? Tread carefully, because the last guy who tried to define and assert German nationalism isn't well regarded by history.

    226. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A "non story"? But there are a few other things that might make a story. Like based on phone tracking, there are a lot of "undocumented immigrants" no longer coming, or calling home for fear of being discovered. Same re terrorists (tho I'm hopefully certain they are few). And the huge amount of negative news in the media, mainly anti Trump and our current snowflake and anti-free speech and political riots in our min tourist cities (like NYC, LA, SF ... have to hurt.

    227. Re: Good by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Would have happened _differently_.

      Until the US built nukes, Europe went to war about every 50 years. Nukes were the only thing that stopped Stalin from starting WWIII.

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    228. Re:Good by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The FBI has always been a political force.

      We will _never_ know why Comey gave Hillary a pass in the first place (What was he up to? Getting a lever on the next pres?), why he reopened the investigation publicly (What was he up to?) or why they leaked the wire tapped information about Trump's campaign staff (What was he up to).

      But you can bet it had a lot to do with the FBI wanting to get back to the glory days of J Edgar. Files full of dirt on EVERYONE with any power.

      Bureaucracies always end up serving themselves. When they also collect information on powerful people they themselves collect power. Power corrupts.

      Which isn't to say there is only one power pole in the FBI, there is no doubt substantial infighting. To say nothing of the fights between the various three letter agencies.

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    229. Re: Good by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Cargo is usually in containers. But baggage is just thrown into the hold (after being dropped/lost/found/kicked/opened officially/opened by thieving baggage handlers/run over by baggage transport cart/lost again).

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    230. Re:Good by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Not the same, Clinton was far more dangerous.

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    231. Re:Good by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Your 'wife' is a white guy?

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    232. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Americans, by definition, live in such a country. I don't see why visiting another one would be much worse.

    233. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, blame the messenger...

    234. Re:Good by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      It's Canada, go once. You see one moose, you've seen them all.

      The beer is terrible, worse than American can beer, just 1% higher in alcohol.

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    235. Re:Good by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      ESTA-like crap is spreading. Canada introduced a similar system recently where nearly all visitors have to pay a fee for an advance authorisation. Schengen is threatening to introduce one but hasn't actually done so yet. Australia has two similar systems where one is chargable and the other isn't and which one you get to use depends on your citizenship.

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    236. Re:Good by Noble713 · · Score: 1

      I'm an introvert. I "recharge" by being alone, often not having face-to-face contact with other humans for days. I find large social engagements exhausting. I realized recently that I'm always tired because I work in an open office with 9 other people and the constant interactions just drains the life outta me. Getting coffee with 2-3 people is usually manageable. Best is 1-to-1 encounters, like going on a date, or meeting a close friend to talk about life and women. If your introversion is so severe that you can't handle time spent with even ONE other human being, well that's got to have a serious deleterious impact on your romantic life and friendships.

    237. Re: Good by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      That guy actually proved that Germany is a nation because the majority of Germans followed him and his nationalist rhetorics, instead of giving him the finger, despite the (still existing) animosity between Northern Germany and Southern Germany (and the mutually unintelligible dialects) and despite Germany back then being quite divided in religious matters (Catholics and Protestants intermarriage have been frowned upon even 30 years ago). Even in WW1 Germany acted as a nation, despite being an actually united country for only 40 years. Same goes for the reunification with GDR. I can't really say what conditions define a nation, just saying that yours aren't.

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    238. Re:Good by dywolf · · Score: 1

      and the fact he fired him DURING an investigation, and then admits to people thta "firing him has been beneficial in slowing the investigation"....thtas just pure fucking coincidence?

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    239. Re:Good by dywolf · · Score: 1

      what HAS he done right?
      the winning hasnt even started yet.
      hes displaying gross incompetence at every turn.
      he still says shit and undercuts his own people constantly.

      first it was "we fired comey in the recoomendation of the DAG.
      then it was "no it was my idea!"

      this is fucking stupid.
      you are fucking stupid.

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    240. Re:Good by syntotic · · Score: 0

      Under Trump means Because of Trump? No. Is it tourists or they have other goals like becoming illegal, impersonating identities, feud wars and the like? They would not be quite liking Trump. This tourism thing started since the previous administration for this city at least, in fact, going down from mid 2000s decade on. In my mind tourism is a very structured thing you plan in advance and has nothing to do with a political administration but with commercial policies. Though of course I _should_ be on the right side of going all places... were you can actually go as a 8-O tourist and nothing else.

    241. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. People who hate us enough to resent it when we take safeguards, be it against foreign gangs like M13 via crackdown on illegal immigration, or against foreign terrorists via the attempted travel ban, can go fuck themselves. Or go to an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, or a Catholic Mass in Mindanao, or a scenic tour of Raqqa or Sirte, or hitchhiking across Yemen!!!

      Honestly, I don't give a fuck!

      They don't hate us because of any of that. They disrespect us because most of us are utterly pathetically retarded. Just look at what you wrote. You seriously think that's what's happening?

      MS13? A foreign gang? That shit is as American as apple pie. Don't like it get out.

    242. Re:Good by unixisc · · Score: 1

      So El Salvadorian is American now? Or are you one of those other retards who use the term 'USian'?

  2. high dollar by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    against all other currencies

    1. Re:high dollar by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Not true. For most currencies (with some exceptions), the dollar value has been mostly flat since early 2016, and the majority of the dollar rate increase happened before then.

      For some currencies, like Indian rupees and Mexican pesos, the value has gone down after Trump took office, which should have boosted tourism.

    2. Re:high dollar by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Quickly looking it seems to be slightly higher in early 2016 vs 2017. I know I skipped a trip to Defcon last year in a large part due to the USD.

    3. Re:high dollar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which currencies? The graph's I've seen show that there were some big changes a few years ago (back when there were thoughts that the Euro might collapse entirely). But recently the changes have actually been fairly small.

    4. Re: high dollar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure but a high dollar effect on tourism won't be immediate. It sticks in people's minds that a certain currency is high or low and then trips are planned way in the future. Or ideas for trips are hatched way in the future.

      Most people don't get to the airport, visit the currency exchange, and buy a ticket to the best value country.

    5. Re:high dollar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The USD has been dropping for a while, at least in Euros.

  3. Off topic nonsense. by jedidiah · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Not sure what place this anti-Republican political propaganda has on a tech news site.

    This is not the Vegas hospitality Union.

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    1. Re:Off topic nonsense. by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 0

      Exactly. What does tourism, or Trump have to do with tech? It appears any journalist no matter how far removed from politics has to dog pile on him. I get that he's basically declared war on the press, but damn folks, get un-butthurt and back to roots.

    2. Re:Off topic nonsense. by lbmouse · · Score: 1

      You are not new here politics.slashdot.org. Plus you can be critical of Trump without being anti-Republican.

    3. Re:Off topic nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /. is not only about tech. "stuff that matters". I want to be able ti discuss anything with fellow nerds and geeks.

    4. Re:Off topic nonsense. by hij · · Score: 1

      Not sure why this is considered off topic. If you look at the stories on this site the political/partisan stories get the most comments. There is clearly a higher participation rate for these kind of stories on this site. Some of us may wish this were just a tech site, but that is not the case.

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    5. Re:Off topic nonsense. by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      What does tourism, or Trump have to do with tech?

      The free exchange of ideas? A lot of immigrants built America over the centuries.

    6. Re:Off topic nonsense. by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      They mentioned something about cellphones in the summary. That the 'research' was based in something about cellphones.

      Which renders the assertion even more tenuous.

      Also, why should I care wether tourists come to the US or not? I'd just as soon they come or go, but it's not a concern of mine.

      'Tourist' is kind of a derogatory label in the circles I travel in. Back in the era of clubbing and punk rawk, tourists were to be despised. As somebody who doesn't travel a lot, these people who flit in and out and about seem like pests more than anything else.

    7. Re:Off topic nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not sure what place this anti-Republican political propaganda has on a tech news site.

      There are a number of things that are potentially interesting about the article from a nerd perspective.

      In terms of electronics and privacy), the data actually comes from tracking people's mobile phones.

      But I also find myself interested in the timing of the correlation. Typically international travel is planned months in advance. And if you look at the actual data there's a significant drop from September to October before the election - which would correspond to travel plans made either in early summer or even late spring. And then their data goes out to March 2017. But Trump didn't take office and get going with his actual travel bans until well into January 2017.

      So it's will be interesting to see what happens next. It may be that Trump's travel stuff wasn't as bad as people were expecting so there will be a bit of a rebound. But it may also be that now that people know that Trump is serious about harassing foreign visitors to the USA, even if it's not all that bad for most visitors, we'll see the tourism numbers go off a cliff for summer 2017.

      One thing that Trump and hist supporters really don't seem to understand is reciprocity - particularly long-term reciprocity - that there is actually great value in treating people well and building up a "bank account" of trust and loyalty over the longer term. Everyone has their bad days. But if you make a habit of screwing people over, there are usually significant negative consequences somewhere down the road.

    8. Re:Off topic nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are not new here politics.slashdot.org. Plus you can be critical of Trump without being anti-Republican.

      Sure: it suffices to be sane. But the intersection sane/Republican has gone way down since the times of Lincoln and Eisenhower. I mean, Nixon was a crook, G.W.Bush was a moron, and Trump is a morose crook.

    9. Re:Off topic nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who is a professional business traveller for the last 15 years, (my record is three passports in just over two years, 30+ countries and counting), it goes much further than the jab at the Vegas industry you made. For a start, Vegas employes tens of thousands of people - in a state that voted Republican.

      Secondly, employees, regardless of political persuasion, are customers and consumers of dozens of other businesses, physical and online and that large job losses due to a contraction have a massive ripple effect on the wider economy that affects people, again, regardless of their political persuasion. Believe it or not, there is much, much more to the USA tourism industry than just Las Vegas, (you may wish to widen your travel horizons) and many of those are all over "Republican states", (an intersting quirk of the language how States, and the people in them, are now referred to in the possessive - like you're their property, they own your vote, you shouldn't ever think of voting someone else - but I digress). That the hotel industry, Trump's "safe space" for his businesses over the years, being hardest-hit, is somewhat ironic.

      As for business travel, well, I can honestly say, I and many others now actively avoid taking flights that transit the USA because of having to purchase an ESTA (whcih is, in reality a visa - in violation of the USA's obligations under the visa waiver programme), get photographed and fingerprinted, clear customs, pickup my luggage, leave a secure area, go around a corner, re-check my luggage, go back through (very poorly organised and inefficient) security screening, with the chance of missing a tight connection and all of this just to change aircraft - when you're not even visiting the USA! Having worked in the security sector for a company founded by former members of Her Majesty's military and intelligence services, the very concept of arriving in a secure area and leaving it, only to re-enter it, is ludicrous - every time you or your belongings leave a secured area is a potential breach. The USA doesn't care - they want all your data and biometrics in the great big database in the sky - because the database will magically protect them, (all it really is doing is adding noise to the signal). Civilised nations have these cool ideas called transit lounges - you arrive in a secure area, and never leave it, you luggage is transferred for you and is discreetly screened en-route to the next aircraft. Convenience, imagine that. The USA is no longer associated with either efficiency or convenience and is associated with a decidedly hostile "welcome" - while people are visitng and spending their money - oh and paying airport levies and local sales taxes - all of which will have to be made up by USA citizens if the input from abroad drops off.

      I spoke with a businessman on a flight to Europe once about their product and how it would be hugely successful in the USA, he replied, "We have absolutely no interest in doing business in the USA - theye are actively hostile to identifiably foreign companies - even if we are bringing new jobs with us, but the worst part is the lawyers and lawsuits everywhere for everything, it's crazy." Other nations are beginning to learn that they can live without the USA and its economy. The USA represents a little over 300 million consumers, which means there are around 6.9 billion potential consumers elsewhere - many of them in nations with rising standards of living and disposable income, unlike the USA.

      Even as the USA threatens Canada, (and Mexico), Canada has just signed a deal with 300 million consumers in the EU - an economy that combined is as lucrative as the USA. They and the other TPP nations have decided to go ahead without the USA and resurrect the TPP treaty - it might even be better if they throw out all the egregious clauses the USA rammed down their throats to favour multi-nationals from the USA, (that's why everybody else hated it - you guys really shot yourselves in the foot). The South American nation

    10. Re: Off topic nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America is built now. They can go home.

    11. Re:Off topic nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure what place this pro-Republican political propaganda has on here either, and yet they continue to post their logical gymnastics attempting to excuse the erratic actions of a spoiled, uneducated delinquent with dictatorial aspirations...

    12. Re:Off topic nonsense. by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      Immigration in the US has always waxed and waned based on the sentiment of voters and the strength of the economy. Yes, the US was built on immigrants but it is also built on the rule of law. There has always been different opinions on immigration and how much. Immigration policy has always changed. Yet, no matter how it changes we still are a very immigrant friendly nation despite rhetoric from the media.

      Right now, with a weak economy, stories of illegal immigration taking advantage of badly written laws, executive inaction on existing laws, world examples of increased crime from certain immigration sources, makes it hard to justify continuing opening the door when such risks are running rampant. Then again, we still allow more immigrants than anyone else.

      More importantly, aside from immigration in ISIS controlled areas the biggest contention isn't immigration it's illegal immigration.

    13. Re:Off topic nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "One thing that Trump and hist supporters really don't seem to understand is reciprocity"

      And the left does? I remember in 2008 being told "well too bad, we've got the majority in both the house and the senate, we've got the presidency, so we get what we want and sucks to be you".

      Fact is, the entire country is too much "us v them" and nobody cares about working together. And I think the media in general is doing everything they can to make the divide as wide as possible. Stories like this don't help. Especially when the downward trend started before trump took office. It's most likely caused by a number of factors from high dollar value which started several years ago to unfriendly travel policies which were well on their way under the previous administration and have continued to get worse under the current one. The problem is with the Republicans, but it's also with the Democrats. Trying to blame one or the other is just dumb. The reason Trump won I believe is because a large portion of the population is sick of the establishment and he was voted in to blow it up and force the establishment to really reconsider how it runs things.

    14. Re:Off topic nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does tourism, or Trump have to do with tech?

      The free exchange of ideas? A lot of immigrants built America over the centuries.

      How many of them either a) came from war-torn Middle Eastern third-world countries with horrible and dangerous living conditions, or b) snuck across the border with Mexico?

      Flipping through a history book, I see much about the European Pilgrims who settled here to avoid things like religious persecution. There are entries about things like the (involuntary immigrants) African slaves who produced much of the food, the later Scotts and Irish who worked the factories, and the Asians who built the railroads. Tesla was a Serbian (permanent) immigrant and he gave us things like AC electricity. Of course these were immigrants, not vacationing tourists. I'm not seeing much about Islamic Middle Easterners, nor "undocumented" Mexicans. Of course there were lots of wars and territory disputes with Mexico, but these were armed conflicts between sovereign nations, not matters of immigration or tourism.

      I can't find anything about vacationing tourists having "built America". Local businesses in tourist areas of course enjoy the spending tourists tend to engage in, but that's a seasonal use of established infrastructure, not really an instance of "building America".

      So while "the free exchange of ideas" is nice, it seems irrelevant. It's even more irrelevant when modern telecommunications means people don't have to bodily travel to do that anymore, but irrelevant in either case. No, applying a little critical thinking, I'm not seeing where "tourism or Trump" had much to do with this at all.

    15. Re:Off topic nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They mentioned something about cellphones in the summary. That the 'research' was based in something about cellphones.

      Which renders the assertion even more tenuous.

      Also, why should I care wether tourists come to the US or not? I'd just as soon they come or go, but it's not a concern of mine.

      'Tourist' is kind of a derogatory label in the circles I travel in. Back in the era of clubbing and punk rawk, tourists were to be despised. As somebody who doesn't travel a lot, these people who flit in and out and about seem like pests more than anything else.

      The one instance I've personally seen in which tourists were viewed as pests: small towns and quiet little suburbs that, at one point, were really attractive to people who grew tired of the traffic, crime, and crowds of big cities. These were people who sought to escape the big city culture, which is fine. The problem is, they didn't really escape it, they brought it with them. They tended to be undesirable neighbors.

      I assume it's our hunter-gatherer small-clan roots, but there is a definite stressful psychological cost when so many people try to live so close together. It's why some of us are willing to give up the greater opportunity and the night-life of large cities in order to live elsewhere.

    16. Re:Off topic nonsense. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Typically international travel is planned months in advance. And if you look at the actual data there's a significant drop from September to October before the election - which would correspond to travel plans made either in early summer or even late spring. And then their data goes out to March 2017. But Trump didn't take office and get going with his actual travel bans until well into January 2017.

      Do you think Trump suddenly appeared out of thin air in November and magically got elected then? He was on the campaign trail all through 2016, and he was formally chosen as the Republican candidate way back in July in the RNC convention. You're absolutely right about travel being planned months in advance, which is where it took a couple months to start seeing a significant dip after Trump's nomination. His nomination is the point at which everyone realized that it was possible he'd get elected, and where they realized just how horrible American voters were since they chose him.

    17. Re:Off topic nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once again, a fucking clueless republitard shows his ignorance.

      This anti-Trump movement is not about republicans vs democrats. It's never been. It's about having a mentally unstable narcissistic sociopathic fucking scumbag as the president of your fucking country, and the millions of clueless idiots who freely, willfully and knowingly elected him to that position.

    18. Re:Off topic nonsense. by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      The USA doesn't care - they want all your data and biometrics in the great big database in the sky - because the database will magically protect them, (all it really is doing is adding noise to the signal).

      The system is wholly inadequate and the design horrible for the stated purpose of catching radical Islamic terrorists and foreign State-sponsored operations & agents.

      That's because it was not designed to catch radical Islamic terrorists or foreign intelligence agents/operations.

      It was designed for, and is being used against, the domestic population in order to monitor and control them like cattle. "Terrorism", "Russia/China", are simply the boogeymen trotted out to scare the low-info people sufficiently to implement the police state in slow-motion.

      Strat

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    19. Re:Off topic nonsense. by Ann+O'Nymous-Coward · · Score: 1

      Ooh, are these the same history books that refer to slaves as "workers"? Because American history books are NEVER EVER EVER biased, nope, nope, nosiree. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/1...

    20. Re:Off topic nonsense. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If I'm not interested in a topic, I don't click on it. Works for me.

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    21. Re:Off topic nonsense. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The parts of the USA that had slavery were the poor parts. Hence the south lost.

      Slaves are _lousy_ workers. Just a historic fact.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  4. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We'll need less of the H2B immigrants the tourism industry is lobbying for.

  5. Before you make this about Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The dollar is too damn strong.

  6. Well, when you cause as much political turmoil by H3lldr0p · · Score: 1

    as he does, it's going to have knock-on effects that go beyond the political sphere.

    And those companies and people directly affected by this turmoil better speak up about it. The more voices in the political arena, the better our democracy.

    1. Re:Well, when you cause as much political turmoil by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      The more voices in the political arena, the better our democracy.

      I would agree with you, but somehow I get the feeling that you would be one of the people who a year ago now was bemoaning about the loud 'deplorables'.

    2. Re: Well, when you cause as much political turmoil by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Contrary to what you may have been led to believe, democracy isn't supposed to be tyranny of the majority.

    3. Re: Well, when you cause as much political turmoil by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      'Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.'

      Constitutionally limited government is at least as important as democracy.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  7. Trump and high USD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a Canadian who vacations at least 2 to 3 times a year in the US, I can confirm that we will be curtailing our travels to not only some of the new Trumpisms we simply don't want to deal with (e.g. threat of being heavily annoyed at the border) but the extremely unattractive US Dollar exchange.

    Seriously though, Florida and border states (we live next to NY and VT) will feel it the most. We have seen it in the past, and some places will get desperate enough to sell stuff at par.

    On a different note, Americans, please come to Canada and spend your money here, we don't really hate you, we love your tourist dollars. Buy stuff.
    thanks

    1. Re:Trump and high USD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trust me Canadians will not be giving up their Floriday trips anytime soon.

    2. Re:Trump and high USD by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      but the extremely unattractive US Dollar exchange.

      I think you just hit on another reason for tourism to be down in the US - a strong dollar. Looks like the Canadian Dollar has been falling vs. the US Dollar for about 4 years now.

    3. Re:Trump and high USD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On a different note, Americans, please come to Canada and spend your money here, we don't really hate you, we love your tourist dollars.

      Will you still like us so much when we refuse to go back home?

    4. Re:Trump and high USD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Americans, please come to Canada

      You mean with Trudeau and a place with forced compelled speech could be law? Or you mean the place were disagreeing with a feminist online will get your internet access taken away for years during litigation?

      No thanks. I do not like anti-liberal countries that parade themselves better than everyone else because they give their citizens an illusion of freedom when it is a privilege to be taken at the governments pleasure. Compelling speech is just as bad if not worse than banning speech and I don't want to be caught up in court because a well-connected feminist didn't like what I said.

    5. Re:Trump and high USD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, I have the same feeling about going anywhere as a green card holder. Thou its unlikely, I dont want any hassles at borders and probably wont bother going to Canada or anywhere else anytime soon, plenty of neat stuff to do and do around here anyways :-)

    6. Re:Trump and high USD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On a different note, Americans, please come to Canada and spend your money here, we don't really hate you, we love your tourist dollars. Buy stuff.

      No thanks. If I'm going to visit a place where I could get thrown in jail for being critical of Islam, I want to see something more exotic than flannel.

    7. Re:Trump and high USD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a white american who often travels through Canada to places in the US (the flights make more sense, and historically customs was trivial).

      *I* am freaked out by the US border security stuff I've heard facing US citizens coming back, and have stopped traveling via Canada to avoid customs.

      If I'm troubled by it, I can't imagine how a non-citizen or a person of color would feel.

    8. Re:Trump and high USD by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Sure they will; they can go other places for beaches and sun: Cuba, Spain, Italy, other Caribbean islands, etc.

    9. Re:Trump and high USD by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Some Canadians won't, but the evidence is already in that a significant minority are cancelling (or rather redirecting) their trips.

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    10. Re:Trump and high USD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it was almost on par which was great, now it costs me 35% more to buy stuff or go to the USA.

    11. Re:Trump and high USD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I went to Cuba 20 years ago, and most of the other tourists were indeed Canadian. It was kind of funny- Cubans would ask if we were from X, and the order of tries was usually 1) Canada, 2) UK, 3) Italy, 4) Netherlands, and 5) the US. It was great to be somewhere where there was little assumption we were blundering, clueless Americans.

      I'll also add that it was the best vacation I've ever taken, so if any Canadians read this and are thinking of going, I'd recommend it highly.

    12. Re:Trump and high USD by evil_aaronm · · Score: 1

      I live not too far from Canada, either, and enjoy this little Oriental restaurant in Ft. Erie, but the hassle of getting back into my own country is no longer worth the hop across the border. American border patrol is a bunch of power-tripping assholes.

    13. Re:Trump and high USD by TJ_Phazerhacki · · Score: 1

      I know a number of Canadians who have been bitching about recent travel to the US for this very reason. They got awfully excited aboot the USD/CAD rate ~5 years ago, and just got used to paying 'less' for things here. What seems to be aggravating it even more this time is they are seeing an increase in foreign property ownership because of the slide, so cost of living is rising at the same time.

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    14. Re:Trump and high USD by Frederic54 · · Score: 1

      I'm in Québec and went to the USA about 12 times a year for shopping/vacation, now it's more 5 or 6 because the exchange is really bad, except gas and some food we save nothing. There is still a whole lot of Canadians in upper state NY and VT especially in campgrounds, but less in various stores and shopping center buying things.

      You are right for some border state city like Plattsburgh that will feel it the most, Burlington is big and can live without Canadian but still some stores will certainly feel it.

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    15. Re:Trump and high USD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Cuba

      Ahh, good old canadian poverty tourism

    16. Re:Trump and high USD by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Come to Canada and see? Snow? Moose? Rednecks? Tundra? Grizzlies? Bad beer?

      I don't get it. Canada's got nothing we don't also have.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  8. Nope, it's totally Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somebody needs an all-inclusive tour of the Re-Education Camp.

  9. Tourism dollars by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    If you're a tourist, and you're willing to invest at least $500,000.00 in one of the Trump family businesses, there's no problem getting a visa.

    Your dollars (dinars, yuan, rubles) are welcome here.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com...

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    1. Re:Tourism dollars by WrongMonkey · · Score: 3, Informative
      The Immigrant Investor visa program has existed since 1990. https://www.uscis.gov/eb-5

      It was not created by Trump and the Kushner family isn't using it any way that's not available to other businesses to attract foreign investors. Most other countries (like Canada) have similar programs to attract high net worth immigrants.

    2. Re:Tourism dollars by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      Do you really believe half the spew you post here?

      Your article is about the EB-5 visa program, which has been around since 1990. It has nothing to do with Trump or his family. And if a family member operating a business under the program is a Bad Thing, then certainly even more so is a family member operating a business that recently got terminated from the program for abuse, as was the one operated by Hillary's brother.

      And the very article you posted explicitly alludes to the fact that Trump may not let it go on:

      Since Donald Trump became president, rumors have circulated among the wealthy of the world about the future of the EB-5 program, given Trump’s repeated vows to crack down on immigration and the increased congressional scrutiny of EB-5s.

      Apart from all that, awesome post.

    3. Re:Tourism dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's pretty easy to get a visa if a corporation hires a lobbyist blubbering about how it can't find qualified workers.

    4. Re:Tourism dollars by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      Your article is about the EB-5 visa program, which has been around since 1990

      And this is the first time a president's family sought to profit directly from that program.

      And the very article you posted explicitly alludes to the fact that Trump may not let it go on:

      That's a well-known sales technique for scumbags: "Get it while you can! Supplies are limited!"

      Apart from all that, your reply was actually pretty weak.

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    5. Re:Tourism dollars by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      It was not created by Trump and the Kushner family isn't using it any way that's not available to other businesses to attract foreign investors.

      The difference is that Trump and Kushner are specifically invoking the President's name to sell these Cadillac visas. It was so egregious that they later apologized and promised to stop using Trump's name.

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    6. Re:Tourism dollars by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1
      From the article that you linked:

      Although there was no visible reference to Trump, the materials noted the Kushner family’s “celebrity” status.White House officials declined to comment. A spokesman for the Kushner company also declined to comment.

      They were specifically NOT invoking the President's name

    7. Re:Tourism dollars by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      And this is the first time a president's family sought to profit directly from that program

      I'll give you better credit for reading comprehension than you may deserve, and conclude you're just flat ignoring what I pointed out about Anthony Rodham because it's just too inconvenient to your meme. Party on.

    8. Re:Tourism dollars by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      They were specifically NOT invoking the President's name

      You're right.

      "And she mentioned Jared's new position in the White House. Though she did not reference President Trump by name, his photo appeared on a slide that listed the "key decision makers" on the EB-5 program."

      http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/0...

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    9. Re:Tourism dollars by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I'll give you better credit for reading comprehension than you may deserve, and conclude you're just flat ignoring what I pointed out about Anthony Rodham because it's just too inconvenient to your meme. Party on.

      Was Hillary president when her brother was selling visas? Was Bill?

      Better check that article again.

      I'll stand by my statement:

      And this is the first time a president's family sought to profit directly from that program

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    10. Re:Tourism dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why bother replying to PopeRatzo? All he has posted for six months is hateful flamebait, lies, and trolling comments. You just proved two in a row were hateful lies.

      Just because there is a sufficient level of hateful people with modpoints to keep him at positive karma does not mean he should be paid attention to.

    11. Re:Tourism dollars by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      Was Hillary president when her brother was selling visas? Was Bill?

      Ah, so apparently you really meant "first sitting president" -- whatever difference that really makes to the issue at hand (see point 3 below). (I take it you're not far enough gone that you're trying to suggest that the Clintons had no meaningful political influence after Bill left office.)

      So returning to your original outrageously disingenuous proposition that all of a sudden America is for sale:

      (1) The EB-5 program has been around in its current form since 1990, so it has precisely nothing to do with Trump per se. You don't deny that.
      (2) The Kushners are playing under the same rules as everyone. You don't deny that.
      (3) The only influence Trump could possibly have on this already-existing program would be to shut it down or otherwise impair it, which would negatively impact all EB-5 businesses, including the Kushners'. You don't deny that.
      (4) The observation by an EB-5 business that Trump might change the law and so best to buy now is (a) one that any EB-5 business could make, and (b) to the extent it infers anything about influence over Trump, it says the business has no such influence -- the exact opposite of what you're claiming.

      I know you don't like Trump, but you're just trying too hard on this one.

    12. Re:Tourism dollars by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      So returning to your original outrageously disingenuous proposition that all of a sudden America is for sale:

      No, you don't understand at all.

      It's the White House that's for sale, from the Russian "loans" to the visas for wealthy Chinese to the cheap jewelry that Ivanka hawks out of the West Wing. To the Trump Hotels, to Mar-a-Lago to the bottled water on Air Force One. To the overpriced suites at Trump Tower that the Secret Service has to stay in to the (now-doubled) country club fees that are on sale to those who want access to the administration. Right down to hiring his kids to unspecified jobs in the administration. Down to the unprecedented (as in never before) number of lobbyists who have been hired to work in the administration. Drain the swamp my ass.

      There's never been a presidency this corrupt. There's never been such a flaunting of the ethics rules. Not ever. You wanna step into the ring to defend this shit? Then you better hose that muck off your hip boots first, motherfucker.

      http://thehill.com/homenews/ad...

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    13. Re:Tourism dollars by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      Wow. Just wow. You realize your current frothing has absolutely nothing to do with your original comment, right? Trump Derangement Syndrome will be an official diagnosis soon.

      Go take a walk. Read a book -- preferably not one about politics. Hug your children. It'll be ok, really. There's going to be a bit more karma to burn off for the past 8 years of smugness, I'm afraid, but you'll get there.

    14. Re:Tourism dollars by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      You realize your current frothing has absolutely nothing to do with your original comment, right? Trump Derangement Syndrome will be an official diagnosis soon.

      That's deflection, right there. It means there's no refutation.

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  10. The wall just got ten feet higher. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Believe me.

  11. Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A report. From a phone app. An app that might have 1% install base on all cellphonedom. Why the fuck should anyone care?

    1. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's against Trump. That even makes everyone overlook that the source is Buzzfeed.

  12. Nobody wants to be treated like a criminal by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If another country started to demand people's social media passwords, full access to phones, etc. as a possible condition to enter, I certainly wouldn't want to go there. Who wants to be treated like a criminal when they're on vacation trying to relax and have a good time?

    People take their privacy seriously. The word has gotten around that the US is poking more and more into people's data when they visit. There's plenty of other beautiful places to visit in the world, so obviously tourism to the US will go down.

    Treat visitors as guests and not suspiciously, damnit.

    1. Re:Nobody wants to be treated like a criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waaa waa. This isn't the 1940s anymore, we have idiots running free trying to push their fucktard religion (if you call isis a religion) blowing up everything in their way. Personally I'd like to see the area they come from covered in fused glass.

    2. Re:Nobody wants to be treated like a criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People take their privacy seriously.

      Facebook, Google, Microsoft and many others have evidence to the contrary. Those of us who frequent sites like this one may take our privacy seriously, but we seem to be in the minority.

    3. Re:Nobody wants to be treated like a criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you might be bringing contraband data into the country affecting national safety!

    4. Re:Nobody wants to be treated like a criminal by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      Wait, are you talking about Evangelical Christians here? I know the bible belt isn't exactly a popular tourism destination, but glassing sounds a bit harsh.

    5. Re:Nobody wants to be treated like a criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waaa waa. This isn't the 1940s anymore, we have idiots running free trying to push their fucktard religion blowing up everything in their way.

      Well, nobody forced you to elect them as president.

      Personally I'd like to see the area they come from covered in fused glass.

      Sure, but do you think Mexico and Canada would spring for that kind of money?

    6. Re:Nobody wants to be treated like a criminal by Joviex · · Score: 1

      I think a lot of this has been greatly exaggerated. Having travelled a lot over the past 6 months, I've yet to have a US boarder agent ask for passwords or my phone. I also have not seen it happen to anyone else.

      Does your last name end in Abad or Bashir or Mohamed or Rabbani or Nasir or Alif or Saadeh, etc... ETC ETC ETC...

      Is the color of your skin dark?

      Do you speak with an accent that pisses off an airport security checker?

      If no, then surprise, you are not who America is looking to ban.

    7. Re:Nobody wants to be treated like a criminal by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The last few years, it has become more arduous to try to visit USA, and it's gotten progressively worse under both GWB and Obama, and there's little hope it will get better under Trump.

      For the 38 countries on the visa waiver program, you now have to get a new passport with a chip, then apply electronically for an ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization), pay for it through a credit card, and answer mandatory questions that you previously didn't have to answer, like your employer, name of your parents, city of birth, and the name of a U.S. contact (which you may not even have if you're a pure tourist).
      And if you've been a tourist to some countries that the US doesn't like, you get denied. Even if you have absolutely no affiliation to those countries and only like to travel the world.
      And that's before you get to the airport and is subjected to the rather unfriendly border checks.

      I tell my European friends to think twice before visiting. And no, they can't use me as their U.S. contact, because I don't want to be added to the database for 15 years and get goonies at my door if someone with a similar name as them ever does something bad.

    8. Re:Nobody wants to be treated like a criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People take their privacy seriously.

      Utter, laughable bullshit. Plus, thanks to reciprocal intelligence-swapping deals, U.S. TLAs can get any data they want on foreign nationals from the foreigner's TLAs without their even leaving their home country.

    9. Re:Nobody wants to be treated like a criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People also don't want to be blown up. I won't visit Europe because there is an extrmely high chance something bad will happen to me. From local pick pockets and con artists to muslim terrorists.

      Its not like this is a no trade off bet on Trump and his supporter's part. There are real reasons we are "bigots".

    10. Re: Nobody wants to be treated like a criminal by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Other countries do.

    11. Re: Nobody wants to be treated like a criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "an extrmely high chance something bad will happen to me"

      Only if you wear a MAGA hat.

    12. Re:Nobody wants to be treated like a criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just tell the border folks your social media account is on goatse.com. Password is "hahahahahaha".

    13. Re:Nobody wants to be treated like a criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That 'extrmely high chance' (sic) is still much lower than it is in the US...

  13. Tourists? Can you prove that? by bwanagary · · Score: 0, Troll

    Maybe the illegals and terrorists are actually getting the message. Who knew that there were so many of them.

  14. Correlation is not causation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, there's a correlation between Trump being in office and the tourism numbers... but there's the SAME correlation between the new 2017 Automobile product lines being released. I do not believe that any news outlet has even considered new cars to be related.

    Could there be a causation? Possibly. I haven't communicated with anyone who has changed their vacation plans based off Trump. Not directly anyways. Opposition to Trump though, those have brought people changes - riots because people say something they don't like?
    Anti-Trump "Demonstrations" that are just excuses for more violence? The Media being okay with this?

    And in my opinion, the worst offender of all - Google. If you're still reading this far, that's the part where you probably slap your head and go "What is this wacko on about?", but stay with me just a little while longer; No matter how radical or out in the boonies your opinion is in any direction, Google is there to show you ONLY like-minded points of view (Thanks to their analytics and personalized search results). The more a person see the same opinion, and at the same time fail to see the conflicting opinions, the more that person is likely to believe THEIR opinion is the only one that's right, and EVERYONE agrees with them.

    "Is violence the answer?" "These top 10 Google results say YES!"

    So, with a perception of increased risk of harm... it is quite natural that people would want to avoid that harm. It's all about perception, which is controlled by the media.

  15. At least a few people like cavity searches... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe our tourism boards can start targeting the fetish scene.

  16. Let's look at the real cause here. . . by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

    . . . . the blue-gloved idiots at the Theater Security A-holes. . .

    1. Re:Let's look at the real cause here. . . by will_die · · Score: 0

      If you think anyone cares about them you have never traveled outside of the USA. Give me the TSA over airport security at UK, Norway, Finland, Germany and Ukraine any day of the week.

    2. Re:Let's look at the real cause here. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? The only place where I've ever felt threatened by the airport security was in the US. In Europe, Asia and Canada, it's always been pretty reasonable. Especially on internal flights in Europe.

  17. How about births? by eminencja · · Score: 1

    Is the birthrate up or down under Trump?

    1. Re:How about births? by will_die · · Score: 1

      A better comparison would be the number of people leaving the USA to live in another country after all we had all those progressives/liberals saying they would do that if Trump won. They have since had enough time to see if the USA under Trump was good or bad and make a decision.

    2. Re:How about births? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is the birthrate up or down under Trump?

      I expect it'll go up later this year as he continues to f**k us all.

      Flipside is that with weaker healthcare the population will decline.

      #thanksTrump

    3. Re:How about births? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but consider the people who said they'd emigrate if Obama won. I'm still waiting, guys.

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  18. Avoiding USA by LQ · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was speaking to someone from a tour company that organises special interest escorted tours all around the world. He said they have stopped running tours to the US because they've had so many bad experiences with border protection. If one person out of a group gets held for a couple of hours, they're not only traumatised but the whole tour gets off on a wrong foot.

    1. Re:Avoiding USA by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Tell me about it. I've never felt less welcome than standing under the sign at customs in O'Hare that said "Welcome to the United States of America" FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF.

      The USA is great again. They have managed to outdo the British at something that the British are renowned for and very good at: making people queue.

    2. Re:Avoiding USA by Ded+Bob · · Score: 1

      You really should not use O'Hare as an example. I have bad luck flying through there domestically as well as internationally for years. I am a U.S. citizen. Queues, lost seats, lost luggage, etc. are just some of what I have experienced. You can probably find numerous Top 10 Bad Airports and it will be on the list.

      I had to queue in Hokkaido for an hour and a half last year. Does that make Japan an inhospitable place to visit too? BTW, an hour and a half in a queue at O'Hare is probably record time. ;)

      With all that said, I do not care for all the non-security screenings. Social media screening of a phone? Oh, please! If they are going to do something really bad, they *probably* did not say anything on social media.

      To all those saying it is because of Trump, they are wrong. It gets crazier year after year regardless of the president in charge.

    3. Re:Avoiding USA by evil_aaronm · · Score: 1

      Granted, it was back in '00, but I used to fly in and out of O'Hare weekly, and didn't really consider the experience all that bad. Occasionally, I'd fly into Midway, because of flight time or availability, but I didn't recall either one being that onerous.

    4. Re:Avoiding USA by mbong · · Score: 1

      Last week 3 hours. So no 1.5 hours is not a record for O'hare...

    5. Re:Avoiding USA by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Last week 3 hours. So no 1.5 hours is not a record for O'hare...

      He means "record time" as in fast.

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    6. Re:Avoiding USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mildy inconvenienced = traumatized

      holy fuck stay in your own country, pussy

    7. Re:Avoiding USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've clearly never had a bad experience with US border agencies.

    8. Re:Avoiding USA by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      To all those saying it is because of Trump, they are wrong. It gets crazier year after year regardless of the president in charge.

      Yes and no. Most other presidents are irrelevant to the decisions that ultimately get fed up from the TSA through the government.
      However this president prides himself on a top down approach to screwing international travelers. So yes, in this case Trump, the man himself, has made the situation much worse.

    9. Re:Avoiding USA by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      O'Hare is terrible now. But you won't usually go through it, as the tickets have scarcity pricing issues. If you shop on price and aren't going to Chicago, you flights will usually connect elsewhere.

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  19. Don't forget the exchange rate! by johnpagenola · · Score: 2

    Another factor is the exchange rate. The dollar was strengthening in the last half of 2016 and thus coming to the US was becoming more expensive.

  20. foolish Dice Pawns, Tools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Help us to understand how this is news for nerds??

    Dice tools, Pawns in the ever lasting.

  21. Detaining childrens book authors works wonders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Detaining childrens book authors works wonders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mem Fox is well known in Australia for being a total bleeding heart pinko.

      Her daughter was a complete failure as a socialist politician and to top it all off her husband is a convicted child molester.

  22. Small wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody wants to be with Stupid.

  23. Data from millions of phones worldwide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kinda like the CIA then?

  24. Causation can be demonstrated by Jzanu · · Score: 1

    It is possible to show specific events are important but that requires some specialized knowledge to understand. Plainly, you can do it using piecewise regression. There is significant autocorrelation since this is a time series, and as another post mentioned the mentioned seasonal effects are not disclosed here. They are however available if someone is interested enough in research. In this case my point is limited to modeling. Given a dummy variable keyed to the US election duration and conclusion it would actually be possible to determine the impact of particular events in time based on significant changes in the regression parameter estimates. See here for the general idea.

  25. Foursquare is still a thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did a double take when I saw that

  26. Buttsfeed by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

    A very crusty source of 'news'.

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  27. Strong dollar + FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Living in a country in crisis, the strong dollar is the most relevant factor. This isn't some fault of America so chill out and enjoy visiting other countries while exchange is favorable.

    The second lesser factor is people thinking the US is going to put them into jail just because, you know, Trump. American media is nuts. They spread FUD while worrying about ice-cream, and that's something Americans can blame on themselves.

  28. There are many things causing US travel to stall by riskkeyesq · · Score: 1

    1. Abysmal airline service. 2. Strong dollar. 3. Other countries are heavily marketing (Iceland, for example).

  29. Can't hang it on Trump by mi · · Score: 4, Informative

    if I have to disclose my social media accounts and phone or social media login details, I will spare you from the several thousand bucks

    Trump had, literally, nothing to do with it. Here is a June 28th 2016 article about the searches, but our racist media gave Obama a pass until Trump got elected. And then, before the President-elect even entered office, there was an avalanche of articles about the "new" procedures — not directly blaming him, but planting the negative thoughts in the gullible heads (like yours and those of your adoring moderators here today). Only some of the reports mentioned the truth:

    searches increased fivefold in the final fiscal year of the Obama presidency

    So, no, it had nothing to do with Trump. More likely, the reason is the growth of dollar since last December — vacationing in the US simply became more expensive for foreigners, while going abroad became cheaper for Americans.

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    1. Re:Can't hang it on Trump by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ya know, you can't just change the meaning of the word "racist" just by shitting it all over every thread you can.

      Bias against trump because he's a dickweed isn't racist merely because he's right. Likewise bias against Obama just because he's a Democrat isn't racist just because he's black no matter how much you seem to want that to be the case.

      And your sig is still idiotic because I remember people criticising bush before Obama being called unpatriotic.

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    2. Re:Can't hang it on Trump by Vlad_the_Inhaler · · Score: 1

      Speaking strictly for myself, the last time I was in the US was shortly before Dubya's Gulf War. This was after 911 but before they started fingerprinting foreigners at the borders - my "line in the sand".
      If Obama had stopped the fingerprinting I would have been interested in visiting again. He either would not or could not and I was last seen heading north, or east.

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    3. Re:Can't hang it on Trump by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Trump has something to do with it. The bad treatment of visitors from abroad pretty much started with Bush, got worse with Obama, and has gotten worse yet with Trump. There's plenty of blame to spread around, but Trump does get some.

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    4. Re:Can't hang it on Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump has something to do with it. The bad treatment of visitors from abroad pretty much started with

      a bunch of assholes who decided to fly some planes into buildings.

    5. Re:Can't hang it on Trump by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      And Bush used that as an excuse to run onerous security theater at airports, Obama (to my disappointment) worsened it, and Trump has increased doubt about whether people with visas will be let in.

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  30. Melbourne Woman Held In US Customs Like Criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The volume of tourism doesn't change that fast.

    With things like Melbourne Woman Held In US Customs Like Criminal Before Sent Home, it changes much faster than you'd think.

  31. Welcome to 'Murica! BANG BANG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Constant and increasingly frequent stories about deplorables like these certainly don't help

    And if you're going to argue racism isn't deplorable, you might be a redneck^W part of the problem.

  32. I'll not visit USA ever again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The feeling here in Australia among a lot of people is that USA is off the tourist list directly because of Trump and his cronies attitudes. One of Australia's renowned children's book authors, Mem Fox, was treated shamefully by border security when she visited last and it made headlines here. She vows never to return!
    The level of rudeness she received and general meanness had her in tears and fear for her safety. She stated that she has no problem with border security as such, but it can be carried out politely and with respect of the traveler. Her reception definitely was not.
    I have traveled to America quite a few times, but never again! And in my mind, there is no doubt it is because of the paranoia that Trump is encouraging. Most of the rest of the world cannot understand how he managed to con the American people into electing him. Now many of our friends there are afraid to speak out against him for fear of retribution. It is very sad to see this one great nation going down the drain in this way, and that the American people in large cannot see it is utterly amazing to us.

  33. Even schoolboards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Schoolboards in Canada (at least the one where I live) have put a halt to any trips to the US. Bringing kids across to the US is just not worth the potential hassle. We have a lot of different races, and, at least where I live, there are lots of muslims. No way they want to bring them across the border.

    I'm sure there are lots of reasons that can be put forth. Failing tourism can be a function of the dollar, may have started before Trump took office, etc. However, as one of those avoiding travel (and seeing it as policy for school trips) I can assure you there is an effect because of how people perceive Trump.

  34. would love to visit US by dimko · · Score: 1

    As EU citizen, can't afford it.

  35. It Could Work Both Ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if international tourism from Americans is down as well. I recently passed on the opportunity to travel to Mexico with some friends. One of the biggest reasons that I didn't go is the increase in authority given to the Border Patrol. The idea that I have no constitutional freedoms when leaving and re-entering my own country makes me virtually sick to my stomach. I've read enough horror stories that I'm just not interested in dealing with the hassle. It's getting to the point that if I do plan to travel to a foreign country, I may not be planning a return trip.

    1. Re:It Could Work Both Ways by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      I agree, I did spend vacation in the US several years in a row from late 90's to the late '00s and it went from a pretty relaxed country to going downhill after 9/11 when it came to "public servants" behavior. From just a regular check of the passport and a friendly comment to don't mess with me or you'll regret it.

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  36. Dont forget the trigger happy cops.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which would kill you on the spot and instead of being punished, will get paid vacation and promotions.

  37. Carrying water for Obama was racist by mi · · Score: 0

    Bias against trump because he's a dickweed isn't racist merely because he's right

    I was referring to bias for Obama — the phenomenon known as bigotry of lower expectations. Whether such racism really did motivate the newspapers or not is neither known, nor even knowable. But it certainly is a no less well-supported accusation, than the summary dismissals of Obama's critics as "racist" were.

    And your sig is still idiotic because I remember people criticising bush before Obama being called unpatriotic.

    And you are an idiot, because this observation does not contradict my signature in any way.

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    1. Re:Carrying water for Obama was racist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wasn't your previous signature about community organizers in Chicago? Does that mean you are you on track for 12 or 16 years of Obama-related signatures?

    2. Re:Carrying water for Obama was racist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There were plenty of people criticizing Obama because he was a Democrat. There were also plenty of people that were burning effigies of him who were quite racist. He got it from both ends. Mitch McConnel declared he would do everything in his power to make him a one term President. He probably is racist but his statement was more to do with the fact that he was a Democrat.

    3. Re:Carrying water for Obama was racist by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Right, right, someone somewhere on the internet said something you didn't like, someone called him out on it and it's immortalized in your sig as a persecution complex. I'll repeat my bet from last time that you can't show me a single time you got called racist for a non-racist criticism of Obama (no AC posts obviously).

      You failed to come up with the goods.

      And you are an idiot, because this observation does not contradict my signature in any way.

      If criticism of Obama was racist (why DO you embolden it?) then criticism of bush was unpatriotic which means the "back to" part of your sig is essentially contradicted by the first part.

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  38. Radical question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How's Tourism doing in Paris, Cairo, and Brussels?

    1. Re:Radical question by Quantum+gravity · · Score: 2

      I haven't seen data for 2016 or 2017. Tourism in France has gone up continuously between 2010 to 2015 by roughly 10%. Paris is the fifth most visited city in the world, and France the most visited country. In the same time period the tourism in Egypt has gone down from about 14 to 9 million, but 2010 was a peak year. Belgium's curve is remarkably flat but has gone up about 15% in that period.

  39. Not sure... by tim620 · · Score: 1

    I'm not a fan of Trump (at all), but I think it is a little early to tell if they drop in tourism is a result of his policies and administration. It would be interesting to see graphs from previous years, to see if tourism drops or spikes at certain times of the year (on average). I imagine there is usually a drop in tourism to the northern states, in the winter time, which would affect overall tourism to the USA.

    It is certainly possible that his administration could have affected the tourism, but I don't think the supplied data/graphs show us enough history to come to that conclusion.

  40. Sourcing Buzzfeed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would anyone take Buzzfeed seriously?

  41. Going to get much worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just wait for the laptop ban.

    which is totally about forcing data onto the net for surveillance - at least I have to think that until we get some evidence on why the proposed ban is necessary.

  42. But 1.8% won't leave the USA. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess you've never visited Israel? Getting social media access is their playbook.

    Trump didn't do this.
    Stupid immigration checks and DHS searches are doing it.

    The USA doesn't need visitors to come here to violate their privacy. Guess you don't pay attention. The NSA has been in the world-wide banking network for decades. If you don't use cash, they know what you buy.

    Be more afraid of Google. Seriously.
    Be afraid of Microsoft.
    Be afraid of your ISP.
    Because guess where all govts go and demand data? Just look at any IoT or computing device nearby. All those things are where govts go to get data about you.

    Even Boss is guilty.

  43. Not a surprise, due to border security! by foxalopex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the main problem is if you look middle-eastern and the border agents are having a particularly bad day then you might get denied entry for no apparent reason at all. This has happened to several Canadians and apparently without even an explanation. This has caused entire conferences and school trips to be cancelled and or moved to Canada because on a class field trip, no teacher wants to have to deal with a situation where a student is left behind. Heck there was an Iranian Student who was invited to speak to a US trade show on refrigeration because of something new he had invented who got denied entry. Can you imagine how disappointing it would be to lose your lead speaker at a Conference because of such issues. This plus poor currency exchange, apparently gun violence issues and possibility issues at the border are scaring people away.

    1. Re:Not a surprise, due to border security! by RobinH · · Score: 1

      It's not just the border, and it's not just if you happen to look middle-eastern. Friends of ours in Canada who don't look at all "foreign" were at a party store in the Southern US, got carded, and when they pulled out their Canadian ID, the proprietor said, "sorry, we only serve American citizens here." Yeah, it's anecdotal.

      We also have a Canadian friend who was stopped at the border for a "random" search, goes into the counter and had her keys in her hand. She placed the keys on the counter for a moment, and the border agent grabs the keychain which had a USB drive on it, sticks it in his PC (which is just a dumb thing to do anyway) and when he realized it was an encrypted drive, demanded her password. This was a problem because the drive contained confidential medical data (she works in the medical profession). She provided the explanation that it would be unethical of her to do that, so he takes it in the back for half an hour, hands it back and says, "OK." Probably used a program on it, or made a copy for later decryption, or maybe his boss decided they could continue.

      We have a trip planned to the US later this year. If we didn't already have plans, we would've made plans to go somewhere else. Not because we have anything to hide, but just because I fear some wacko will be emboldened by all the anti-foreigner rhetoric. It's kind of hard to fly under the radar when you have Canadian plates on your car. I've been to the US literally thousands of times, the last big trip was 2 years ago. Previously it's always been a friendly place to visit.

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  44. Click bait - Canadians and the High US Dollar by FeelGood314 · · Score: 1

    Canadians are by far the largest group of tourists to the USA. People in border cities or towns actually on the border make lots of day trips. The number of day trips will fluctuate greatly based on the exchange rate between the two countries. You would need an actual study that takes into account the exchange rate and excluded Canadians just shopping for the day to actually make any conclusions. The article is just sensationalism and click bait.

  45. Paying attention to signatures by mi · · Score: 1
    I'm flattered by your attention to my humble persona and deeply flawed character. If you find my ideas intriguing, please, subscribe to my newsletter?

    12 or 16 years of Obama-related signatures

    Your Arithmetic skills need some improvement, however...

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    1. Re:Paying attention to signatures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was assuming you had already clocked up 8 years on the community organizer one. Maybe I got that wrong.

  46. Trump? No by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 1

    This has nothing to do with Trump.

    It has everything to do with the ever increasing idiocy at the border which is colloquially known as security theater. People choose not to visit the country where the border control has the rights to pry into all your electronic equipment and request your social networks passwords or deny you the entrance.

  47. Offset by general lack of terrorism. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Unlike the politically correct nations that show baseless contempt for the US, terrorist incidents are much lower.

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  48. With greater safety? by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Unlike the politically correct Eurabia, you're more likely to survive your trip to the US unscathed.

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  49. While I have to disarm myself in your country. by sethstorm · · Score: 0, Troll

    In the US, police and citizens are allowed to defend themselves - even against politically incorrect targets. In your country, they're allowed to roam freely to rape/maim/murder people.

    Trump is willing to call a spade a spade, perhaps your country should as well. But then that would require you to admit to the failures of multiculturalism and political correctness.

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    1. Re: While I have to disarm myself in your country. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All citizens and police in advanced nations have the right to self defence. Of course, that right is rarely needed in every country except the US as theyre generally not violent shitholes awash with guns and drugs, unlike the US.

      TFTFY.

    2. Re:While I have to disarm myself in your country. by sit1963nz · · Score: 1

      And yet in 1st world countries with gun control the rates of murder and rape are a lot lower than the USA (per head of population).

  50. You are easily replaced. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    You won't be missed, as there will be plenty that will visit in your place and enjoying a higher degree of freedom/safety in the US than you do at home.

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    1. Re:You are easily replaced. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found a trump voter!

    2. Re:You are easily replaced. by satsuke · · Score: 1

      Hate to break it to you, but other countries have as much or more freedoms as the US enjoys.

      Americans have no monopoly on freedom. In the era of travel bans, inland border patrol stops, resciending otherwise legal travel visas and the like, I'd rather be travelling to say Sweden than the US.

    3. Re:You are easily replaced. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where does GP suggest he lives in North Korea or in IS territory?

  51. Your coronations were thankfully denied. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    You wanted a globalist to be coronated and assume office. The electors, carrying out the will of the people as determined by proportionality, showed otherwise.

    Now all they can do is try to smear him with the media.

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    1. Re:Your coronations were thankfully denied. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The electors did not carry out the will of the people. They carried out the wills of various peoples. The will of the people of the United States was fiarly strongly for Clinton, but in the US that really doesn't mean anything legally.

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    2. Re: Your coronations were thankfully denied. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are over 3,100 voting counties in America. Less than 100 voted for Clinton.

      The difference in the popular vote equated to a single county in a large city, and likely was increased by illegal aliens who are allowed to vote in some California cities.

    3. Re:Your coronations were thankfully denied. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "coronated"

      Uberbah and DigiShaman have both used that very unusual word on here in the past day. Do you know them? Work in the same office? Live in the same body?

    4. Re: Your coronations were thankfully denied. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I have no idea why the number of counties voting one way or another should be significant.

      Got any evidence of illegal alien voting? Thought not.

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    5. Re: Your coronations were thankfully denied. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      It's as significant as the popular vote in American presidential politics. Not at all.

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  52. Arrogant not stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump is not a fool. He is blinded by his own arrogance into believing he can do absolutely anything and have it come out in his favour, even when it doesn't. I don't know if "delusional" is the appropriate term, but that's another term I would use to describe him.

  53. Anti-terrorist, not anti-foreigner. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Previously it's always been a friendly place to visit.

    It still is, and safer by leaps and bounds. People aren't disarmed by multiculturalism or political correctness, but by good citizens able & willing to defend themselves against criminals.

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    1. Re:Anti-terrorist, not anti-foreigner. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that is funny, the US has the highest murder rate in the western world.
      There is far more danger visiting the US from ordinary armed morons than visiting the UK has from terrorists.
      Sandy Hook?
      Timothy McVeigh?
      Just the usual bigoted dumbfuckery of the American idiot.
      Fuck you.

  54. Nice try by markdavis · · Score: 1

    Sorry, this has little to do with Trump. Almost all tourism here (USA) starts with airplanes/airports. The hysteria/irrational security of airports and airplanes started a long time ago and tourism has been suffering every year since.

    The current issue with a few Middle Eastern countries is just a blip on the radar of how overall tourism has been affected. And none of this even mentions tourism WITHIN the USA by Americans, which is also down because of the ridiculous harassment at airports.

  55. Go away! We don't want you here! by kimgkimg · · Score: 1

    Well when you roll out the "You're-Not-Welcome" mat, what do you expect people to do?

  56. Re:Good (by I)_MaLaClYpSe_(I ( 447961 ) as AC) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As if this shit wasn't in full bloom with Obama at the helm. There just is less pretense now.

    Well...

  57. As someone that lives in a tourist area... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd be just as happy with half of them not showing up. I'd love to enjoy my town during summer without all the crowds coming to enjoy my beaches and sunshine. The beaches would be in better condition even, despite the tax revenue falling for the city.

    Furthermore, since I don't even live in the city limits, I could not care less about their tax revenues.

  58. Re:Good (by I)_MaLaClYpSe_(I ( 447961 ) as AC) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As if this shit wasn't in full bloom with Obama at the helm. There just is less pretense now.

    Well...

    I have to agree, yes. You are raising a very true point, thank you for that!

    I originally did not intend to go into this, but well, here we are.

    When we (me and ma wife) first travelled to the US, we did it under the impression, that only now we could still visit the US withouth them having taken my fingerprints. Only after a cross-continental flight, when we approached Miami, I was told that they already would take fingerprints of my thumbs. I would not have ever gotten to the US if I had known that on entry I'd be treated like a criminal. So I tried to rub off my the fingerprints of my thumbs on the back of the airline seat, but that did not turn to work out.

    The next time that I visited I was like: well, they already have the fingerprints of my thumbs, so I can as well go there again. But then they took more fingers the next time! And the next time as well and I thought "well, now they have all my fingerprints already, so why not go there again?" and they took IRIS shots. Dude.

    But I love the USA for it is a beautiful country, I love the people and the landscape and it was very sad that visiting that meant to be treated as a criminal on entry, But when I consented to it, it meant that I was freely giving up my very own rights for the benefit of having the honour of giving you thousands of bucks on my Holidays.

    Now, on the other hand, if you request access to my phone or social media accounts, than this refers to communication with other people. Meaning, you are not only giving away your own privacy in consent, your are agreeing to give away third persons (your friends!) privacy rights. And that's not ok, ok? Whether this started under Obama, Bush, Clinton or Bush Sr. is irrelevant. Whether any of these slowed the progress down or speeded it up is irrelevant. This is no longer only about me and my rights but about the rights of my friends and family.

    Also, I am subscribed to mailing lists that do not allow me to share it with anybody who is not a list member. It is a whole different thing, if I only have to take care about my own (biometrical) data or if I have to share conversations with third parties. That's where I can no longer visit the US without acting negligent.

    p.s. yes, Obama was very disappointing, good point but not what I meant

  59. Fewer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What you mean is "fewer", Asshole.

  60. From the outside... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the outside it's not Trumps fault.
    It has been going on since 9/11 and the Patriot Act insanity.
    The intrusive TSA Security Theatre of Horrors.
    The continued problems with Blue Murder that the USA seems to have. An issue for outsiders not drilled in how to survive a police encounter.
    Just the simple random GSW issues that seem to occur are also an issue.
    But,
    With Trump came the apparent rise in racist white supremacist incidents and anti-LGBTI activity.
    If you are not White CIS and preferably Male the USA appears to not be a very safe place.
    Now,
    I know this is appearance over substance, in general, but it's becoming the kind of place where the additional risks are pretty stressful to consider.
    Tourism is important to some places and the locals know not to commit the violence on the tourists... the USA does not present this way.

  61. Let's look at numbers by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    I don't doubt that Trump is a jerk. That's who we're blaming everything on, right?

    But first, let's remember that the U.S. $ is what, about 30% stronger than it was just a couple of years ago? That's going to have an impact on tourism, for sure.

    Then realise that the U.S. Is a huge country of generally wealthy people who rarely leave that country. That means foreign visitor tourism, while huge numbers, is still nearly meaningless in proportion to Americans traveling internally.

    http://www.eturbonews.com/5332...

    96.7% of US tourism is domestic.
    Ergo, 3.3% is foreign

    Foreign tourism could drop by 50% and most venues wouldn't even notice.

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  62. More fake news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What they fail to tell you is that both the Middle East and South America are currently in turmoil from government and terrorist violence. The only people you see traveling away from those regions are refugees which Europe has been refusing to take in due to the violence refugees brought to their once peaceful countries.

  63. That's California. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    California's intentionally porous border and lax ID checks permitted ~3 million to "vote" for the Democrat's approved candidate.

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  64. Not with the rapefugees & criminals all about. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    If it's bad enough that Sweden has to file Islamist crimes away under different codes to make them disappear, then you're going to a worse country.

    At least with Detroit, you can arm yourself and have the cops on your side. The average no-go area in Sweden, not so much.

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  65. Re:Not with the rapefugees & criminals all abo by satsuke · · Score: 1

    You have no idea what things are like in Europe, do you.

    They have much lower crime rates than the US. Virtually nonexistent gun crimes. Much less problem with police brutality and lack of police accountability for the violence they do cause.

    Not to mention healthcare and worker benefits.

  66. Criminal brutality takes its place. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Instead, criminals just take it as open season on everyone given that nobody can (or will) fight back.

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  67. Travel to U.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are many reasons NOT to travel to the U.S., as stated in the various comments.
    Trump has given Americans permission to treat visitors with contempt.
    Canada, Mexico, Europe etc. will see their tourism $$.$$ increase!