RE: Nah, you don't make a point, you present arguments as facts, while taking a derogatory tone.
No, I'm presenting facts as arguments, which you are getting annoyed at, and so are trying to refute by attacking me personally. Sorry if it bugs you that your economy sucks.
RE: In my book that's a troll. Plus I think you keep modding yourself up!
Nah, that's a cheap shot.
RE: You're right, I should have said ethnic slur instead.
That would have been correct. Guilty as charged. But that was incidental to the main point. I was hoping it would draw your attention to the rest of the sentence, but apparently all that focus went on venting your rage, so it was lost.
RE: But I see you're as intent on demonizing separatists as well as Canada in general. Funny, I know a lot of separatists, but NONE of them believe in the superiority of a so-called Quebecois race.
I worked in deepwoods Quebec for a while. After being suitably reviled for being Anglo and not of their bloodline, I was told that I was responsible for their misery, as well as the Jews in Montreal. I wish I was making this up, but I can't possibly make that up.
RE: Again, a very mature way of debating...typical of a Troll.
Whatever. Still, compare the cost of insurance with the cost of half your income going bye bye, supposedly for health care.
RE: Fact is, not half of our taxes go for Health Care.
Nope. They go to the HDRC, Shawinigan, singing fountains in rivers, hand-jiving Mexican performance artists, the CBC, the NFB, yearly fat pay raises for the MPs, a really big fat pay raise for the PM, etc. with a bit left over for the odd hospital.
RE: And the great, great majority of the population seems to think that our Health Care is a lot superior to that of the states (a view shared by many american as well),
Well, hopefully the collective IQ can be raised somewhat and eventually there'll be some sanity.
RE: Oh, now I'm a liar, am I? Well, I don't see the point in continuing this discussion after this post, troll. I'll just state the following: as a WHOLE, our air is CLEANER, and while Hamilton, Ontario is certainly less polluted than Vermont, Los Angeles is a lot more polluted than Toronto or Montreal.
Ontario is MORE polluted than Vermont.
RE: Well, I'm still here, ain't I? So that proves you wrong!
Uh, dude, you made THAT one too easy. I'll refrain. But it's tough.
RE: Oh, I get it, you're a Troll! Why, silly me! I thought you were actually trying to have a reasoned argument!
It is a reasoned argument. A troll is a deliberate attempt just to piss someone else off - and although I'm being abrasive, I'm actually discussing the point. Which conveiently gets ignored the moment I make a half decent one.
RE: C'mon, you can tell me, you're really Canadian and ashamed of it, right? That's okay, you don't have to resort to misrepresenting the truth and spewing forth racial slur, you known
In terms of racial slurs, sorry but the French Canadians aren't a separate race. Oh, I'm sorry, you believe you're the ubermensch PURE LAINE RACE, right? Superior to those other people, you're the REAL PEOPLE of Quebec, as Parizeau says?
RE:Our health care and tuition fees are STILL cheaper,
Compare my insurance rates to what half my income in taxes would be. Any questions? Didn't think so.
RE: our air is STILL cleaner,
That is an outright LIE. MANY parts of Canada are more polluted than their American counterparts! Ontario in particular has VILE air.
RE: You first, troll! C'mon, give us your facts! I dare ya!
I asked you first.
RE:Note to rational beings out there: I actually have nothing against Americans, all of those that I've met I've really gotten along great with...but I do have issues with american foreign policy.
Yeah, those low taxes and high paying jobs are taking away all our best and brightest! GRRR!!!!
RE: Who knows what happened. Obviously Wappel's handlers told him something, and he believed it. I guess only the old man know for sure...
And the fact WAPPEL WON'T TELL YOU HOW HE KNEW doesn't worry you?
RE: One final point. While I appreciate what you are getting at, I find it practically impossible to belive that the Chretien Liberals could succeed at such a task. This is a man who doesn't know what pepper spray is, and has such lack of brains to appoint Elinor Caplan to cabinet. Not to mention the likes of Jane Stewart and mismanagement of billions of dollars.
I think Screwface is far less ignorant than he wants you to think. He's dat liddle guy dere from da Shawinigan, hey look hat me hon dat skateboard! When in actuality he's a conniving, lying, and incredibly shrewd human being. They say never attribute to malice what can be best explained by ignorance. The inverse also applies.
RE: Which pay for things like health care, roadwork, welfare programs, education... It's not taken and kept you know.
Why don't schools have proper books? No money. Why does the water kill people in Canada? Not enough money. Hey, wait, why does the PM's personal investment get a huge grant from the federal government? Enough questions. out.
As for welfare... you let people leech off the system for life. And wonder why Canadian productivity is falling.
RE: Compare Canadian tuitions to American tuitions, for example.
Compare what you can do with a degree in the US, to what you can do with a degree in Canada. B.Sc's in Mechanical Engineering serving lattes at Starbucks, much?
RE:You mean the thing that makes sure monopolies do good things, and not bad?
Like the CBC and the NFB? Or are we talking about the social engineering that gives millions in handouts to Bombardier and other French Canadian businesses?
REL This is about as vague as one can get. Opportunity to do what?
Get decent jobs. Heard of the brain drain? Or do you think that's just another right wing lie?
RE: This one's just downright laughable. Are you saying American free speech, where someone can get arrested for talking about how to bypass security, is better than Canadian? I can say whatever I want, but no one has to listen.
Those charges were dropped.
RE:1) It was dismantled, 2) They have that data anyway,
But they built it. And would have kept it if some hadn't made a stink. And BTW are rebuilding it.
RE:I'd be interested to hear your source on this.
The National Post. Oh, wait, that's Conrad Black. So we can just discount that, right?
RE: Our (apparant) socialist philosophy of 'help others', compared to the American 'help yourself, screw others' Big Business philosophy?
Which country is the envy of the world and the beacon of freedom? Anyone? OK, now which is the laughingstock backwater nobody cares about? I rest my case. What's the Canadian Dream? Finding an extra Timbit in the bottom of the box? Two hockey games on in one night?
RE:To do what? Defend us from the results of our own foreign policy?
Oh I see. So WWII was Europe's fault, too? I'm sure the families of the WTC dead really appreciate you saying that "America gets what it deserves."
RE: I don't see what taxes has to do with anything. Most European countries (Germany, for example) are far more socialist than Canada, and they've got even better economies.
OK, but they don't have low tax, high powered economies right next door. You have to be price competitive with the neighbour, at least.
RE: and of all of them, the United States is the only one without state-sponsored health care, and the only one with the death penalty. The US seems to be the exception, not the rule.
And the place all the Europeans seem to want to flock to when they're tired of low pay, high taxes, and living in tiny shoe boxes.
RE:You know, this is getting quite lame. Everyone involved in the issue agreed - in sworn statements - that Chretien had sold his shares in that hotel
And you believe them? I hear he repealed the GST, too.
RE: that he owned (yes, he owned no part of the golf course, only a hotel) before having done anything to help the golf course, and had not yet gotten paid.
And his getting paid was conditional on the sale of the golf course - hence the handouts to make the investment AS ATTRACTIVE AS POSSIBLE.
RE:Unlike some countries I could mention, we don't look for scandals to sensationalize, we
No, you elect crooks, and then wonder why they're screwing you. Enjoy being Argentina in a decade or two.
RE: Canada, its government, its philosophies, and its economy value people over money.
They certainly don't value rights or opportunities. Which is why you have neither.
RE: This kind of information is easily gotten via simple door to door canvassing, or perhaps a simple phone call.
The veteran in question make it clear he didn't share that information with ANYONE, including his own WIFE. Guess you missed that broadcast. For some strange reason his angry requests for answers about this question were ignored by the media. He didn't wear pins, didn't have a sign on his lawn, he was of the belief that his business was his own. Hence his UTTER surprise at Wappel's "our records indicate..."
RE: Are you suggesting that there is a database keeping track of who people vote for? Last I checked it was a secret ballot.
It might not be. That was the point of what I was saying. And given that the government only helps its supporters, this is even more disturbing. I certainly wouldn't want to be in a situation where whether or not I get health care or speedy 911 service depends on whether or not I pass the background check at Liberal HQ in terms of having voted right.
NEITHER is the case. Half your income in taxes isn't "free" unless you're a welfare bum. As for universality, why do so many Canadians go to the USA for required surgery, INCLUDING Jean Chretien? Citizens are told they have to wait cause there's no money in the health care budget. Of course, there's ALWAYS money for a singing fountain in a river or a golf course. Or for a Mexican to squirt his DNA into a test tube and call it ART.
RE: lower tuition fees,
Not anymore - why are your students demonstrating?
RE: free highways (no toll booths!!!) and lower rent for nicer appartments...
In Montreal, maybe.
RE: Cleaner environment,
Not in Ontario, or large parts of Alberta... and BTW our water doesn't kill us. E. COLI anyone?
RE: easier recourse against abusive landlords/corporations/institutions, few guns all around...
Result: fewer landlords, corporations leave, taking jobs with them...
RE: Okay, it's marginally less well-protected here than in the states...yet our media is a lot freer from corporate meddling (well, CBC/SRC is, anyway...)
CBC - "Chretien's Bitch" Channel. All the news that's slanted to make OUR GLORIOUS LEADER look good.
RE: and the charter of rights and freedom is still a pretty good safeguard on protecting free speech.
Heck you don't even have the ingrained right to own property according to that charter.
RE: You mean the right to bear arms?
Stupid argument snipped and ignored.
RE: big brother government database on all citizens
Okay, that's disturbing...but at least we don't give our taxes to an agency [nsa.gov] that routinely eavesdrop on its citizens AND those of other countries (Echelon, anyone?). Don't you think they have secret databases of their own, mmh?
They spy on people in other countries as well as people recognised as threats. They don't go snooping just for the hell of it, like in Canada.
RE: Well, I think they do that in the States now, too!
Think? Try getting facts.
RE: No, it shouldn't.
You're right it shouldn't. But you do pronounce it "boot".
RE: More to the point, what does Canada-bashing have to do with the current subject, anyway? I'm the separatist here, I'll do the bashing, thank you very much!
Well, if you can tear yourself away from the backyard wrestling in Beauharnois and wearing fringed leather jackets that went out in the 70s long enough to pay attention I'll tell you. The EFF, like other RIGHTS ORGANISATIONS is about YOUR RIGHTS, and Canadians DON'T CARE ABOUT RIGHTS. Your government says "hand them over" and you say "how fast"?
RE: This turned out to be so much hype. Sure, they tried to create a database, and once word got out, it was quickly gassed.
The fact that a government would want to create something like that says something. Let's ask this - how did Mr. Wappel (sp?) know how that veteran had voted? The one he wouldn't help cause he didn't support the Liberals?
RE: Supposedly the database was destroyed, but even if it wasn't who really cares?
If you don't, why do you care about a Canadian EFF anyway? It SCARES me that a country would want to keep such close tabs on its citizens.
RE: Not to sound like I have some sort of superiority complex about Canada (though I do),
High taxes, government regulation, lack of opportunity, no free speech, no right to self defense, big brother government database on all citizens, and what's more the postal service opens and photocopies a certain percentage of mail without a warrant as a matter of policy. Apart from hockey and donuts, what's superior?
RE: but...
Shouldn't that be "boot"?
RE: Does Canada need this sort of thing?
Absolutely not. Anything that would prevent the Liberal party from imposing anything from requiring all packets to be sent to Shawinigan for analysis to censorship laws prohibiting the denigration of Pierre Eliot Trudeau is to be BANNED and CURSED by the CBC.
RE: In order to maintain our trade with the US, we have to pretend to like their priorities.
You're America's bitch. Get used to it. Don't like it? Build your own military and economy. Unfortunately, that would involve you lowering taxes, getting rid of Shiela Copps and eliminating the HDRC and other Liberal slush funds - and that would impede Chretien's ability to pave Shawinigan with gold and sell a few of his golf courses on the public ticket, so forget it.
and report this to the S.P.D. Have em moved on, for vagrancy.
"Yeah, we'll be here for months, and... hang on... hey, Officer.... Four months..... Move? Why?..... uh, OK.... no, no, put the baton away, I'm going, I'm going!"
Just-turned-18 year old Justinia wakes up, and slinks completely unclothed into a shower, where there's a very long, extended shower scene interspersed with the credits and the extremely violent murder of her cute brother by stereotypical Muslim/arab/mafia/other ethnic people. She finds out her brother has been killed, and they want to kill her next, because she somehow wound up through some unlikely but trivial twist of fate to have the map to something very valuable. She meets up with Mack Dolan, an incredibly muscled tough guy who rides a Harley. He also beats nine colors of heck out of more ethnics who show up just to be beaten up. They drive away, and along the way pick up a wisecracking skinny black guy sidekick played by a flavor-of-the-month filth-mouthed comedian. Along the way someone (not the leads) breaks wind, falls into a vat of manure, or otherwise has something vile happen. They then head to the desert/warehouse/safe house where they pick up lots of guns (shown just as pornographically as scene one) and after a requisite 30 second "character development" scene (she cries, he admits he's not been the same since those same people killed his puppy and standing up, grits his jaw) which leads to the two having steamy sex. They then suit up a la A-team for the glorious final scrumdown with lots of explosions, bullets, corpses, etc. and finally it turns out that Justinia can kick ass too. She dispatches the head/most stereotypically ethnic person and they grab the valuables, riding off into the sunset, sidekick in tow, who makes one last vulgar joke as the credits roll- cue hiphop song over the credits. ("Yo dat ma brotha Dolan, we be rollin...." BOOM chicka-pap chicka BOOM chicka-pap) Fake out-takes from the film in between credits optional. The script must be 90 pages EXACTLY, film to about 83 minutes total, and feature
a hot heroine
a hot hero
a slinky Asian/California babe evil chick
a overacting character actor or ethnic bad guy
A father figure, who dispenses some kind of Zen-like wisdom at a critical point
A dumbass, skinny black guy, or "mook" for comic relief
Well, let's look at it this way. The general public does NOT want clever characters, insightful plots, witty writing, etc.
It wants jiggling breasts, special effects, fight scenes, puerile humor, big explosions, men with almost no bodyfat, and a plot simpler than the rules to a tractor pull.
The guy that brought up Hidden Tiger Crouching Dragon or whatever the hell it is - please remember that it's basically fight scenes, lovemaking, people waving swords around, special effects, etc. as well as a plot you can summarize in one sentence.
RULE ONE - if you can't tell me what the movie's about in one sentence, forget it.
RULE TWO - if there's no T&A, forget it.
RULE THREE - if there's no violence, forget it. Unless it's a French film, in which case double up on rule two, but realise noone outside France will ever watch it.
Forget it. Kurzweil makes some of the best stuff around, and no mistake. Their actual keyboards (the keys part) can vary, depending on the shipment they get in. But the rest of it...
Ah, I stand corrected. I had heard the oft-repeated rumor that Sarah was owed royalties, but Nettwerk was bankrupt, so the owners just gave her the company in lieu of royalties, and she got all her stuff and copyrights back, and with her incredible business savvy turned the company around.
RE: . Sarah Mclachlan [srahmclachlan.com] is a case in point. She's got a great deal with Nettwerk Records [nettwerk.com] in that she owns all of her own publishing.
The fact that Sarah McLachlan OWNS Nettwerk might have something to do with it...
Because it sucks. If you want to listen to a bunch of documentaries on res angst in Moose Jaw, or listen to the favorite but unlistenable bits of modern Jazz that the rush-hour DJ loves to play, knock yourself out. But some of us are interested in things other than a bunch of elite-eastern Canadian liberals back-slapping each other.
Todradio. All edge, all the time. Give me a break. That beaverish little kid couldn't hold an edge if you put him in a skate sharpener.
100 channels of N'Britney Boys? Or one stream of pap, a stream of reggae, a stream of Goth, one of Industrial, another for 80s new wave, the Disco channel, the Gangsta Rap channel, etc?
What'd make this TRULY cool is to allocate 1/10 of same streams to the best of public access.
If it's any consolation, I have two eyes but almost NO stereopsis (I have a condition where my eyes don't focus on the same spot, so I never learned to see in 3D). I had an inkling of this when we were told in science class to butter bread with one eye closed, and I noticed no difference in my perception or ability.
And I can hit a baseball.
My grandfather who has the same condition was almost a tennis pro.
Ah, the "rich people are inherently selfish and evil, because they don't want to give away the fruits of their hard work to support those who refuse to work. Good little citizen. The auberge Grand-mere and the HDRC fatten on your taxes!
RE: When I pay my taxes I am co-operating with my neighbour, a much better tact than to boorishly 'compete' needlessly...
Tell you what, then. You guys run your commune, and those with drive will ultimately take over. Enjoy the slow slide into a ten cent dollar.
RE: As for *your* leaving, thats your business. I live in Windsor, I dont need anyone to tell me about the differences between the US and Canada... I can see it everytime I drive through Detroit. "Detroit" doesnt happen in Canada.... inspite of the riches in the suburbs, the city is a wasteland... and it is precisly this "i work hard for myself" attitude that prevents real opportunity for all.
I see. Obviously you took a look at Detroit inner-city slums and said "if this is capitalism, give me Trudeau any day." You might want to check out communist China, Cuba and/or what Communist Russia was like to get an idea of where Canada is headed.
RE: Bullshit. HighTaxes in Canada are not a problem. This is bullshit. They are high, any tax is too much in some eyes, but they are not the highest. See here. [oecd.org]
Just because Canada isn't the highest doesn't mean taxes aren't a problem. And they are a problem, because they discourage enterprise and hard work.
RE: Secondly, the "brain drain" is bullshit forwarded by "tax cut" advocates.. it makes a nice meme but has little substance.
Well, as someone who was born and raised in Ontario but who moved to the USA in 1997, let me say that yes, me and several others in this office and others do exist, and yes, we moved for twice the pay, half the taxes, and greater opportunity. So now that denying we don't exist doesn't work, I fully expect you to pull the "they're traitors" apologism out of your hat.
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RE: Nah, you don't make a point, you present arguments as facts, while taking a derogatory tone.
No, I'm presenting facts as arguments, which you are getting annoyed at, and so are trying to refute by attacking me personally. Sorry if it bugs you that your economy sucks.
RE: In my book that's a troll. Plus I think you keep modding yourself up!
Nah, that's a cheap shot.
RE: You're right, I should have said ethnic slur instead.
That would have been correct. Guilty as charged. But that was incidental to the main point. I was hoping it would draw your attention to the rest of the sentence, but apparently all that focus went on venting your rage, so it was lost.
RE: But I see you're as intent on demonizing separatists as well as Canada in general. Funny, I know a lot of separatists, but NONE of them believe in the superiority of a so-called Quebecois race.
I worked in deepwoods Quebec for a while. After being suitably reviled for being Anglo and not of their bloodline, I was told that I was responsible for their misery, as well as the Jews in Montreal. I wish I was making this up, but I can't possibly make that up.
RE: Again, a very mature way of debating...typical of a Troll.
Whatever. Still, compare the cost of insurance with the cost of half your income going bye bye, supposedly for health care.
RE: Fact is, not half of our taxes go for Health Care.
Nope. They go to the HDRC, Shawinigan, singing fountains in rivers, hand-jiving Mexican performance artists, the CBC, the NFB, yearly fat pay raises for the MPs, a really big fat pay raise for the PM, etc. with a bit left over for the odd hospital.
RE: And the great, great majority of the population seems to think that our Health Care is a lot superior to that of the states (a view shared by many american as well),
Well, hopefully the collective IQ can be raised somewhat and eventually there'll be some sanity.
RE: Oh, now I'm a liar, am I? Well, I don't see the point in continuing this discussion after this post, troll. I'll just state the following: as a WHOLE, our air is CLEANER, and while Hamilton, Ontario is certainly less polluted than Vermont, Los Angeles is a lot more polluted than Toronto or Montreal.
Ontario is MORE polluted than Vermont.
RE: Well, I'm still here, ain't I? So that proves you wrong!
Uh, dude, you made THAT one too easy. I'll refrain. But it's tough.
RE: Oh, I get it, you're a Troll! Why, silly me! I thought you were actually trying to have a reasoned argument!
It is a reasoned argument. A troll is a deliberate attempt just to piss someone else off - and although I'm being abrasive, I'm actually discussing the point. Which conveiently gets ignored the moment I make a half decent one.
RE: C'mon, you can tell me, you're really Canadian and ashamed of it, right? That's okay, you don't have to resort to misrepresenting the truth and spewing forth racial slur, you known
In terms of racial slurs, sorry but the French Canadians aren't a separate race. Oh, I'm sorry, you believe you're the ubermensch PURE LAINE RACE, right? Superior to those other people, you're the REAL PEOPLE of Quebec, as Parizeau says?
RE:Our health care and tuition fees are STILL cheaper,
Compare my insurance rates to what half my income in taxes would be. Any questions? Didn't think so.
RE: our air is STILL cleaner,
That is an outright LIE. MANY parts of Canada are more polluted than their American counterparts! Ontario in particular has VILE air.
RE: You first, troll! C'mon, give us your facts! I dare ya!
I asked you first.
RE:Note to rational beings out there: I actually have nothing against Americans, all of those that I've met I've really gotten along great with...but I do have issues with american foreign policy.
Yeah, those low taxes and high paying jobs are taking away all our best and brightest! GRRR!!!!
RE: Who knows what happened. Obviously Wappel's handlers told him something, and he believed it. I guess only the old man know for sure...
And the fact WAPPEL WON'T TELL YOU HOW HE KNEW doesn't worry you?
RE: One final point. While I appreciate what you are getting at, I find it practically impossible to belive that the Chretien Liberals could succeed at such a task. This is a man who doesn't know what pepper spray is, and has such lack of brains to appoint Elinor Caplan to cabinet. Not to mention the likes of Jane Stewart and mismanagement of billions of dollars.
I think Screwface is far less ignorant than he wants you to think. He's dat liddle guy dere from da Shawinigan, hey look hat me hon dat skateboard! When in actuality he's a conniving, lying, and incredibly shrewd human being. They say never attribute to malice what can be best explained by ignorance. The inverse also applies.
RE: Which pay for things like health care, roadwork, welfare programs, education... It's not taken and kept you know.
Why don't schools have proper books? No money. Why does the water kill people in Canada? Not enough money. Hey, wait, why does the PM's personal investment get a huge grant from the federal government? Enough questions. out.
As for welfare... you let people leech off the system for life. And wonder why Canadian productivity is falling.
RE: Compare Canadian tuitions to American tuitions, for example.
Compare what you can do with a degree in the US, to what you can do with a degree in Canada. B.Sc's in Mechanical Engineering serving lattes at Starbucks, much?
RE:You mean the thing that makes sure monopolies do good things, and not bad?
Like the CBC and the NFB? Or are we talking about the social engineering that gives millions in handouts to Bombardier and other French Canadian businesses?
REL This is about as vague as one can get. Opportunity to do what?
Get decent jobs. Heard of the brain drain? Or do you think that's just another right wing lie?
RE: This one's just downright laughable. Are you saying American free speech, where someone can get arrested for talking about how to bypass security, is better than Canadian? I can say whatever I want, but no one has to listen.
Those charges were dropped.
RE:1) It was dismantled, 2) They have that data anyway,
But they built it. And would have kept it if some hadn't made a stink. And BTW are rebuilding it.
RE:I'd be interested to hear your source on this.
The National Post. Oh, wait, that's Conrad Black. So we can just discount that, right?
RE: Our (apparant) socialist philosophy of 'help others', compared to the American 'help yourself, screw others' Big Business philosophy?
Which country is the envy of the world and the beacon of freedom? Anyone? OK, now which is the laughingstock backwater nobody cares about? I rest my case. What's the Canadian Dream? Finding an extra Timbit in the bottom of the box? Two hockey games on in one night?
RE:To do what? Defend us from the results of our own foreign policy?
Oh I see. So WWII was Europe's fault, too? I'm sure the families of the WTC dead really appreciate you saying that "America gets what it deserves."
RE: I don't see what taxes has to do with anything. Most European countries (Germany, for example) are far more socialist than Canada, and they've got even better economies.
OK, but they don't have low tax, high powered economies right next door. You have to be price competitive with the neighbour, at least.
RE: and of all of them, the United States is the only one without state-sponsored health care, and the only one with the death penalty. The US seems to be the exception, not the rule.
And the place all the Europeans seem to want to flock to when they're tired of low pay, high taxes, and living in tiny shoe boxes.
RE:You know, this is getting quite lame. Everyone involved in the issue agreed - in sworn statements - that Chretien had sold his shares in that hotel
And you believe them? I hear he repealed the GST, too.
RE: that he owned (yes, he owned no part of the golf course, only a hotel) before having done anything to help the golf course, and had not yet gotten paid.
And his getting paid was conditional on the sale of the golf course - hence the handouts to make the investment AS ATTRACTIVE AS POSSIBLE.
RE:Unlike some countries I could mention, we don't look for scandals to sensationalize, we
No, you elect crooks, and then wonder why they're screwing you. Enjoy being Argentina in a decade or two.
RE: Canada, its government, its philosophies, and its economy value people over money.
They certainly don't value rights or opportunities. Which is why you have neither.
RE: This kind of information is easily gotten via simple door to door canvassing, or perhaps a simple phone call.
The veteran in question make it clear he didn't share that information with ANYONE, including his own WIFE. Guess you missed that broadcast. For some strange reason his angry requests for answers about this question were ignored by the media. He didn't wear pins, didn't have a sign on his lawn, he was of the belief that his business was his own. Hence his UTTER surprise at Wappel's "our records indicate..."
RE: Are you suggesting that there is a database keeping track of who people vote for? Last I checked it was a secret ballot.
It might not be. That was the point of what I was saying. And given that the government only helps its supporters, this is even more disturbing. I certainly wouldn't want to be in a situation where whether or not I get health care or speedy 911 service depends on whether or not I pass the background check at Liberal HQ in terms of having voted right.
RE: Free, universal health care,
NEITHER is the case. Half your income in taxes isn't "free" unless you're a welfare bum. As for universality, why do so many Canadians go to the USA for required surgery, INCLUDING Jean Chretien? Citizens are told they have to wait cause there's no money in the health care budget. Of course, there's ALWAYS money for a singing fountain in a river or a golf course. Or for a Mexican to squirt his DNA into a test tube and call it ART.
RE: lower tuition fees,
Not anymore - why are your students demonstrating?
RE: free highways (no toll booths!!!) and lower rent for nicer appartments...
In Montreal, maybe.
RE: Cleaner environment,
Not in Ontario, or large parts of Alberta... and BTW our water doesn't kill us. E. COLI anyone?
RE: easier recourse against abusive landlords/corporations/institutions, few guns all around...
Result: fewer landlords, corporations leave, taking jobs with them...
RE: Okay, it's marginally less well-protected here than in the states...yet our media is a lot freer from corporate meddling (well, CBC/SRC is, anyway...)
CBC - "Chretien's Bitch" Channel. All the news that's slanted to make OUR GLORIOUS LEADER look good.
RE: and the charter of rights and freedom is still a pretty good safeguard on protecting free speech.
Heck you don't even have the ingrained right to own property according to that charter.
RE: You mean the right to bear arms?
Stupid argument snipped and ignored.
RE: big brother government database on all citizens
Okay, that's disturbing...but at least we don't give our taxes to an agency [nsa.gov] that routinely eavesdrop on its citizens AND those of other countries (Echelon, anyone?). Don't you think they have secret databases of their own, mmh?
They spy on people in other countries as well as people recognised as threats. They don't go snooping just for the hell of it, like in Canada.
RE: Well, I think they do that in the States now, too!
Think? Try getting facts.
RE: No, it shouldn't.
You're right it shouldn't. But you do pronounce it "boot".
RE: More to the point, what does Canada-bashing have to do with the current subject, anyway? I'm the separatist here, I'll do the bashing, thank you very much!
Well, if you can tear yourself away from the backyard wrestling in Beauharnois and wearing fringed leather jackets that went out in the 70s long enough to pay attention I'll tell you. The EFF, like other RIGHTS ORGANISATIONS is about YOUR RIGHTS, and Canadians DON'T CARE ABOUT RIGHTS. Your government says "hand them over" and you say "how fast"?
RE: This turned out to be so much hype. Sure, they tried to create a database, and once word got out, it was quickly gassed.
The fact that a government would want to create something like that says something. Let's ask this - how did Mr. Wappel (sp?) know how that veteran had voted? The one he wouldn't help cause he didn't support the Liberals?
RE: Supposedly the database was destroyed, but even if it wasn't who really cares?
If you don't, why do you care about a Canadian EFF anyway? It SCARES me that a country would want to keep such close tabs on its citizens.
RE: Not to sound like I have some sort of superiority complex about Canada (though I do),
High taxes, government regulation, lack of opportunity, no free speech, no right to self defense, big brother government database on all citizens, and what's more the postal service opens and photocopies a certain percentage of mail without a warrant as a matter of policy. Apart from hockey and donuts, what's superior?
RE: but...
Shouldn't that be "boot"?
RE: Does Canada need this sort of thing?
Absolutely not. Anything that would prevent the Liberal party from imposing anything from requiring all packets to be sent to Shawinigan for analysis to censorship laws prohibiting the denigration of Pierre Eliot Trudeau is to be BANNED and CURSED by the CBC.
RE: In order to maintain our trade with the US, we have to pretend to like their priorities.
You're America's bitch. Get used to it. Don't like it? Build your own military and economy. Unfortunately, that would involve you lowering taxes, getting rid of Shiela Copps and eliminating the HDRC and other Liberal slush funds - and that would impede Chretien's ability to pave Shawinigan with gold and sell a few of his golf courses on the public ticket, so forget it.
and report this to the S.P.D. Have em moved on, for vagrancy.
"Yeah, we'll be here for months, and... hang on... hey, Officer.... Four months..... Move? Why?..... uh, OK.... no, no, put the baton away, I'm going, I'm going!"
This'll be over in two days.
You store Pringles in the fridge? Man, you're rocked.
Hollywood's ideal movie:
Just-turned-18 year old Justinia wakes up, and slinks completely unclothed into a shower, where there's a very long, extended shower scene interspersed with the credits and the extremely violent murder of her cute brother by stereotypical Muslim/arab/mafia/other ethnic people. She finds out her brother has been killed, and they want to kill her next, because she somehow wound up through some unlikely but trivial twist of fate to have the map to something very valuable. She meets up with Mack Dolan, an incredibly muscled tough guy who rides a Harley. He also beats nine colors of heck out of more ethnics who show up just to be beaten up. They drive away, and along the way pick up a wisecracking skinny black guy sidekick played by a flavor-of-the-month filth-mouthed comedian. Along the way someone (not the leads) breaks wind, falls into a vat of manure, or otherwise has something vile happen. They then head to the desert/warehouse/safe house where they pick up lots of guns (shown just as pornographically as scene one) and after a requisite 30 second "character development" scene (she cries, he admits he's not been the same since those same people killed his puppy and standing up, grits his jaw) which leads to the two having steamy sex. They then suit up a la A-team for the glorious final scrumdown with lots of explosions, bullets, corpses, etc. and finally it turns out that Justinia can kick ass too. She dispatches the head/most stereotypically ethnic person and they grab the valuables, riding off into the sunset, sidekick in tow, who makes one last vulgar joke as the credits roll- cue hiphop song over the credits. ("Yo dat ma brotha Dolan, we be rollin...." BOOM chicka-pap chicka BOOM chicka-pap) Fake out-takes from the film in between credits optional. The script must be 90 pages EXACTLY, film to about 83 minutes total, and feature
a hot heroine
a hot hero
a slinky Asian/California babe evil chick
a overacting character actor or ethnic bad guy
A father figure, who dispenses some kind of Zen-like wisdom at a critical point
A dumbass, skinny black guy, or "mook" for comic relief
Well, let's look at it this way. The general public does NOT want clever characters, insightful plots, witty writing, etc.
It wants jiggling breasts, special effects, fight scenes, puerile humor, big explosions, men with almost no bodyfat, and a plot simpler than the rules to a tractor pull.
The guy that brought up Hidden Tiger Crouching Dragon or whatever the hell it is - please remember that it's basically fight scenes, lovemaking, people waving swords around, special effects, etc. as well as a plot you can summarize in one sentence.
RULE ONE - if you can't tell me what the movie's about in one sentence, forget it.
RULE TWO - if there's no T&A, forget it.
RULE THREE - if there's no violence, forget it. Unless it's a French film, in which case double up on rule two, but realise noone outside France will ever watch it.
Forget it. Kurzweil makes some of the best stuff around, and no mistake. Their actual keyboards (the keys part) can vary, depending on the shipment they get in. But the rest of it...
Ah, I stand corrected. I had heard the oft-repeated rumor that Sarah was owed royalties, but Nettwerk was bankrupt, so the owners just gave her the company in lieu of royalties, and she got all her stuff and copyrights back, and with her incredible business savvy turned the company around.
RE: . Sarah Mclachlan [srahmclachlan.com] is a case in point. She's got a great deal with Nettwerk Records [nettwerk.com] in that she owns all of her own publishing.
The fact that Sarah McLachlan OWNS Nettwerk might have something to do with it...
You forgot Phil Collins, Michael Jackson (post-surgery), Meat Loaf, Alanis Morrissette....
RE: but even then a thin layer of silver foil
So what you're saying is, those wackos walking around with tinfoil on their heads to protect them from "rays from space" got it right?
Considering the amount of croissants, Gitanes smoke and cappucino found in the atmosphere.
Because it sucks. If you want to listen to a bunch of documentaries on res angst in Moose Jaw, or listen to the favorite but unlistenable bits of modern Jazz that the rush-hour DJ loves to play, knock yourself out. But some of us are interested in things other than a bunch of elite-eastern Canadian liberals back-slapping each other.
Todradio. All edge, all the time. Give me a break. That beaverish little kid couldn't hold an edge if you put him in a skate sharpener.
100 channels of N'Britney Boys? Or one stream of pap, a stream of reggae, a stream of Goth, one of Industrial, another for 80s new wave, the Disco channel, the Gangsta Rap channel, etc?
What'd make this TRULY cool is to allocate 1/10 of same streams to the best of public access.
"Elf" in French is "Lutin", not "Elfe".
If it's any consolation, I have two eyes but almost NO stereopsis (I have a condition where my eyes don't focus on the same spot, so I never learned to see in 3D). I had an inkling of this when we were told in science class to butter bread with one eye closed, and I noticed no difference in my perception or ability.
And I can hit a baseball.
My grandfather who has the same condition was almost a tennis pro.
As well, it's "to whet" not "for wet". This what happen is when English she not be studied in school no?
RE: I believe they encourage shallow selfishness.
Ah, the "rich people are inherently selfish and evil, because they don't want to give away the fruits of their hard work to support those who refuse to work. Good little citizen. The auberge Grand-mere and the HDRC fatten on your taxes!
RE: When I pay my taxes I am co-operating with my neighbour, a much better tact than to boorishly 'compete' needlessly...
Tell you what, then. You guys run your commune, and those with drive will ultimately take over. Enjoy the slow slide into a ten cent dollar.
RE: As for *your* leaving, thats your business. I live in Windsor, I dont need anyone to tell me about the differences between the US and Canada... I can see it everytime I drive through Detroit. "Detroit" doesnt happen in Canada.... inspite of the riches in the suburbs, the city is a wasteland... and it is precisly this "i work hard for myself" attitude that prevents real opportunity for all.
I see. Obviously you took a look at Detroit inner-city slums and said "if this is capitalism, give me Trudeau any day." You might want to check out communist China, Cuba and/or what Communist Russia was like to get an idea of where Canada is headed.
RE: Bullshit. HighTaxes in Canada are not a problem. This is bullshit. They are high, any tax is too much in some eyes, but they are not the highest. See here. [oecd.org]
Just because Canada isn't the highest doesn't mean taxes aren't a problem. And they are a problem, because they discourage enterprise and hard work.
RE: Secondly, the "brain drain" is bullshit forwarded by "tax cut" advocates.. it makes a nice meme but has little substance.
Well, as someone who was born and raised in Ontario but who moved to the USA in 1997, let me say that yes, me and several others in this office and others do exist, and yes, we moved for twice the pay, half the taxes, and greater opportunity. So now that denying we don't exist doesn't work, I fully expect you to pull the "they're traitors" apologism out of your hat.