Now every white Honda Civic with a "Bad Boy" sticker on the back's going to get turned into a mobile broadcasting station by the kind of suede-baseball cap wearing, mouth breathing slopeheads that drive around playing those stupid CDs that are nothing but bass-boosted 808s going THOOM THOOM THOOM THOOM THOOM at 3 a. frigging m. because they seem to think the child you've finally managed to get to sleep really wants to hear the latest Slap Diddy Fooly Fool CD.
It is going to the CANADIAN GOVERNMENT for the explicit purpose of doing typically Canadian things with it e.g. paying Tequila Shiela to give everyone who asks a flag, paying Annie Get Your Gun to come up with an invasive, rights-destroying set of laws masquerading as gun control. And I'm sure that a couple of golf courses in Shawinigan will change hands at hundreds of thousands of dollars more than they're worth, with Jean Chretien getting his cut.
Or maybe King Jean has a singing fountain in a river or a portrait gallery or something in mind.
It's a cash grab, pure and simple, for Ottawa bureaucrats to waste on their pet projects.
They couldn't figure out why it was that people snickered like CRAZY at their booth at tradeshows, which by definition (logging industry) is filled with roughneck, redneck, chainsaw toting tobacco chewers.
They eventually changed it to something else, I believe. But for a while the lobbying industry in Canada to get women to be lumberjacks was called exactly that.
RE: Preston Manning would have had a chance if those idiots in the canadian alliance hadn't voted in Stockwell Day.
That was a special interest group hijacking the election process - just like "Enza" tried to do again.
RE: They singlehandedly lost the election by voting that idiot as leader(I see Day as the canadian version of GWB -- he's a charasmatic idiot, but he's still an idiot!).
Well again, most Canadians don't care about brains, just looks. So they figured they'd get their own version of Jean Chretien.
RE: The Liberals are pretty well entrenched, but can you blame the canadian people?
Yes, yes I can.
RE: Jean Cretien and the liberal government have made significant gains since Brian Mulroney left office,
Oh, this should be good. Such as?
RE: and I have a feeling a lot of people enjoy the stability which having a relatively predictable government brings.
Taxes higher, dollar lower, income lower... jobs down... yeah, that's great
RE: As for your claims that they are cheating, I'm sure they are -- that's what politics is all about, but when we're talking about millions of people voting liberal in Canada, more people voting liberal than any other party, it becomes fairly obvious that even if they did cheat, they still won by a landslide, and likely would have otherwise.
The nice thing about voting in Canada is, the system is so bad anyway that the Liberals could run a decaying rat as PM and still be elected. And if for some reason some decent candidate did oppose King Jean, somehow strangely there'd be a packetflood of votes from somewhere bumping up the Liberal vote. They're just becoming more efficient. Before, they'd have to suddenly ram citizenship papers through for tons of people who would then be told if they don't vote Liberal, they're going home. Then the buses would be chartered to move em in to vote.
So whether the rubber-stamp on King Jean ruling forever is done by paper vote or electronically - it makes no difference, via cable modem though that frees up Elections Canada from having to spend a bunch of money that'd otherwise end up buying a golf course off Chretien for a half a million, somewhere.
I personally prefer C++ - it allows you to embed assembly when you want speed, do procedural and/or object-oriented programming, and, through the miracle of templates, allows you to achieve generic/template based programming solutions as well. Check out Alexandrescu's book on Modern C++ programming. Some of that code is pure poetry.
If ever there was a more portable, swiss-army-knife language, I haven't seen it.
Frameworks abound for it, you can do it with any of a number of methods, from vi to nice polished IDEs.
RE: I don't know much about Windows programming myself, but it seems like if you want to really get into the guts of things, you'll have to deal with MFC and COM.
Uh, hold it. The "guts" of Windows programming is the Win32 API. MFC is a set of foundation classes that ride on top of the Win32 and encapsulate them in a bunch of frustrating ways. MFC does not gain you the "guts" of anything - in fact, it tries to abstract away from the API to classes.
It's an ugly hack of macros and classes, complete with its own implementations of strings and collection classes (some of which leak memory) and various constructs with hidden gotchas like CArchive (serialise your class via CArchive attacked to a CSocketFile attached to a CSocket! If you like debugging that, then you might also like pounding nails into your head).
COM is nothing more than a binary format for code that provide a way to get interfaces to said binary code into any language that can understand said interfaces. Windows likes to do things in a COM way these days which means that knowledge of same is valuable. But even then they're trying to replace it with.NET considering the messier parts of pure COM (ever tried hand-coding any of that stuff?)
Would this be the Hamlet where the British are portrayed as effeminate, oppressive baby-eating bastards during the incredible distortion of history masquerading as documentary you're supposed to hate to the last man by the end of the movie?
Oh, sorry, that would be every OTHER Mel Gibson movie in recent memory apart from that one where he's mincing around in tights and a turquoise bra.
Absolutely wrong, and don't talk to me about verbal diarrhoea until you've done your homework.
Here's the site before the flag was pulled http://canadianflag.org/images/canadaforces.jpg. I don't see any Canada with a flag over the a which would be a trademark of the government. I do however see two Canadian flags, which were removed at the request of the government.
And I stand by my initial statement that the flag proper should stand for the country, not Jean Chretien.
Passports are issued by governments, not countries, so that shoots that point down.
And BTW if as you say the flag represents the government and not the country, that says something a little disturbing. I will burn my flag tonight, cause it represents Jean Chretien and not the country in which I was born.
You don't see people misconstruing the "Patriot/Militia" type web pages out there as being condoned by the US gov't cause there's US flags on those, do you? Nobody in his right mind thinks that the Waco types who fly the flag are condoned by the US government, do you? Get a grip. The moment I need Jean Chretien's permission to fly a Canadian flag is the day I burn it. So off to the pyre tonight it goes.
What are you to be proud of? A 60c dollar? Your tax dollars going to art projects involving Mexicans doing unpleasant things to test tubes? Shovelgate? The golf course in Shawinigan? The HRDC?
The Liberals paradoxically enough wanted flags everywhere to try and raise national pride a la Nike Swoosh. Seems that if you want to use it to oppose the government, in comes the law. Interesting message, though - "the flag is the property of the government. Not you. Now shut up, and work harder. I've got more taxes I want to shove your way."
Does the flag belong to the government, or the people of the country?
Par for the course for Canada - "the country is your corrupt socialist government. Dissent against the government is dissent against the country."
I believe wholeheartedly that Canada's government would disallow use of the flag. It's a country without free speech rights that fears political speech that opposes the cabal that makes up its dictatorship.
Ever heard the expression "Boston Wad" or "Pigeon Drop?" It's a con game where you get a roll of dollars, then add a fifty to the top. Wrap with elastic band.
Then you find your mark, and agree to go drinking. Show him the huge wad of "fifties". Drop it (with him in tow) in a locker or safety deposit box and keep the key.
Later on in the evening, get a phone call/page or something telling you to get out of town or whatever. (This works really well if both of you are dopers/criminal element) Suggest to your new friend that you need to boot out of town and could he grab you $400 from the ATM for bus fare, etc? He's totally entitled to keep the $1000 in the locker - you haven't time to get it and get out of town and are willing to eat the loss in order to save your neck.
You get the $400 and split. Your "friend" finds out his wad was worth $75 or so.
Dotcoms were pigeon drops. Legal ones. "Oh, uh, yeah, this stock's going to be the next Microsoft. Want mine for $100 a share? I made enough money on it having bought in at $3 a share!"
RE: You miss the point entirely. When mention was made of aggressive foreign policy, it wasn't about the attack on Afghanistan, but about events that took place before sept. 11.
I'm sorry - you must have a version on your screen that mentions Viet-Nam, Laos, Cambodia, etc. All I saw was "aggressive foreign policy".
RE: names of countries
There were valid reasons for all of this.
RE: Don't ask me, ask the whole wide world!
The same world that sent troops to Viet Nam (including Canada and Australia) and Iraq as well as Afghanistan?
RE: The U.S. is one of the only country to vote against a U.N. resolution against torture. To vote down another resolution that said that countries should submit to international law.
The US is NOT going to bow its sovereignty down to a bunch of third world Marxists who can't even generate a decent Christmas card.
RE: And you wonder why so many people throughout the world hate what the U.S. has come to represent!
Well, apart from wackos who want women shrouded and chess sets burned, and Marxists who want to rule the world and make it their plaything... who?
RE: BTW "Tu quoque" is latin, not french.
And means about as much in context as your French. More pretentious than your attempt though.
RE: No, actually you're presenting opinions as facts to support your broad argument that Canada sucks.
Oh, so the database (they disbanded it!) is opinion? The lower taxes in the US is opinion? The fact that the USA has a Bill of Rights and Canada doesn't (at least, not one that supports free speech, the right to bear arms, etc) is opinion? Who's the troll.
RE: Ah, yes, and that gives you the needed insight to judge an entire society, right?
That, and having spent time in Montreal, Chicoutimi, etc. And Beauharnois. Where they do do backyard wrestling.
RE: So, if I stay for a while in a redneck town down south that features the occasionnal cross-burning, then I guess I could say that americans are racist, violent bigots, right?
No, you'd say that based on propaganda from the CBC.
RE: Then again, seeing as you're implying in your post that the collective IQ of Canadians is lower-than-average, I guess you are a bigot! And a troll. Goodbye!
I am suggesting that there's some disconnect between intellect and the way y'all vote. You know Chretien's a lying crook who refuses to pay for healthcare and jacks the taxes up and up and up yet still you vote the guy in.
RE: Typo.
A typo is where you hit the wrong key. You chose completely different words. Your brain is disordered. Calm down and try again.
RE: Still, the rest of my point holds.I did notice you didn't try to refute it. Smart move.
I'll say this again, though there are "hot spots" in the US, the bigger polluter in the NorthEast is Ontario. And due to environmental pollution, you have people dying from the water, something that doesn't happen in the USA.
RE:Gee, I don't know, after all I am winning this argument,
You think? Ad hominem attacks against me and Conrad Black won't either win this argument nor will it give you rights and freedoms.
RE: and in a language that is not my own.
Ce n'est pas le mien non plus.
RE:I guess it does make me kinda smart, doesn't it?
Actually, no.
RE: (And just to answer something you said in another reply: countries do have the right to defend themselves.
Well then, buy your own military. Don't insult Americans all the time and turn your back, and then suddenly expect the USA to come charging in like the Cavalry if you ever have problems. K?
RE: This has nothing to do with the fact that the US has an aggressive foreign policy, which in turn is not validated by the fact that innocent people died in the WTC.
We were discussing the need for self-defense. The USA right now is trying to root out people intent on killing them. Who have already started a war with the US on US soil. That is not evil American bad aggressive foreign policy, it's self defense.
Unlike Queebeckers, who lose a war and then go on to run the country anyway as if they won it.
RE: Well, that explains a lot! For those who don't know, The National Post is one of Canada's most conservative newspapers.
And... your point? You'd prefer to read the same fact from the Toronto Star? Oh, BTW this guy is about to insinuate that the paper is lying because it is conservative.
RE: It is owned by Conrad Black, a man who despises Chretien bechause he prevented him from becoming a British Lord (I despise Chretien too, but for different reasons). It seems Black has a fondness for the "good old days" of colonial rule...Black's name is also synonym with "concentration of the press" in Canada, a fact that BluedemonX here doesn't seem to think is inconsistent with freedom of speech.
And this has what to do with the fact that Canada Post regularly opens mail without a warrant? Anyone?
RE: By the way, BluedemonX, it's in really poor taste to bring in the victims of the WTC into this...the fact is that their deaths does not give an automatic seal of approval to U.S. foreign policy.
Dude, you don't seem to realise that people need to be able to defend themselves. This "oh well, we don't need to cause we don't go around attacking other people" is nonsense. There will always be psychos. The victims of the WTC didn't ask to be bombed. Countries and citizens need to be able to defend themselves.
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Well, obviously now soldiers will be allowed to walk around with big, shaggy, turquoise or bright green hair.
The GOOD news is, every female soldier will now be a 38 DDD.
The bad news is, these suits are NOT proof against suddenly-appearing, demonic phallic tentacles.
Now every white Honda Civic with a "Bad Boy" sticker on the back's going to get turned into a mobile broadcasting station by the kind of suede-baseball cap wearing, mouth breathing slopeheads that drive around playing those stupid CDs that are nothing but bass-boosted 808s going THOOM THOOM THOOM THOOM THOOM at 3 a. frigging m. because they seem to think the child you've finally managed to get to sleep really wants to hear the latest Slap Diddy Fooly Fool CD.
It is going to the CANADIAN GOVERNMENT for the explicit purpose of doing typically Canadian things with it e.g. paying Tequila Shiela to give everyone who asks a flag, paying Annie Get Your Gun to come up with an invasive, rights-destroying set of laws masquerading as gun control. And I'm sure that a couple of golf courses in Shawinigan will change hands at hundreds of thousands of dollars more than they're worth, with Jean Chretien getting his cut.
Or maybe King Jean has a singing fountain in a river or a portrait gallery or something in mind.
It's a cash grab, pure and simple, for Ottawa bureaucrats to waste on their pet projects.
Don't laugh that hard - there really was a "Canadian Ladies In Timber" organisation. I posted the story on this page.
No word of a lie.
They couldn't figure out why it was that people
snickered like CRAZY at their booth at tradeshows, which by definition (logging industry) is filled with roughneck, redneck, chainsaw toting tobacco chewers.
They eventually changed it to something else, I believe. But for a while the lobbying industry in Canada to get women to be lumberjacks was called exactly that.
Would somebody PLEASE mod this up.
http://www.redflag-linux.com/english/1
The contents of the file is:
lkdjf
WTF???
Any l337 h4x0r$ know anything about this?
Is it a virus?
RE: Preston Manning would have had a chance if those idiots in the canadian alliance hadn't voted in Stockwell Day.
That was a special interest group hijacking the election process - just like "Enza" tried to do again.
RE: They singlehandedly lost the election by voting that idiot as leader(I see Day as the canadian version of GWB -- he's a charasmatic idiot, but he's still an idiot!).
Well again, most Canadians don't care about brains, just looks. So they figured they'd get their own version of Jean Chretien.
RE: The Liberals are pretty well entrenched, but can you blame the canadian people?
Yes, yes I can.
RE: Jean Cretien and the liberal government have made significant gains since Brian Mulroney left office,
Oh, this should be good. Such as?
RE: and I have a feeling a lot of people enjoy the stability which having a relatively predictable government brings.
Taxes higher, dollar lower, income lower... jobs down... yeah, that's great
RE: As for your claims that they are cheating, I'm sure they are -- that's what politics is all about, but when we're talking about millions of people voting liberal in Canada, more people voting liberal than any other party, it becomes fairly obvious that even if they did cheat, they still won by a landslide, and likely would have otherwise.
That's why I'm applying for a Green Card.
The nice thing about voting in Canada is, the system is so bad anyway that the Liberals could run a decaying rat as PM and still be elected. And if for some reason some decent candidate did oppose King Jean, somehow strangely there'd be a packetflood of votes from somewhere bumping up the Liberal vote. They're just becoming more efficient. Before, they'd have to suddenly ram citizenship papers through for tons of people who would then be told if they don't vote Liberal, they're going home. Then the buses would be chartered to move em in to vote.
So whether the rubber-stamp on King Jean ruling forever is done by paper vote or electronically - it makes no difference, via cable modem though that frees up Elections Canada from having to spend a bunch of money that'd otherwise end up buying a golf course off Chretien for a half a million, somewhere.
I personally prefer C++ - it allows you to embed assembly when you want speed, do procedural and/or object-oriented programming, and, through the miracle of templates, allows you to achieve generic/template based programming solutions as well. Check out Alexandrescu's book on Modern C++ programming. Some of that code is pure poetry.
If ever there was a more portable, swiss-army-knife language, I haven't seen it.
Frameworks abound for it, you can do it with any of a number of methods, from vi to nice polished IDEs.
RE: I don't know much about Windows programming myself, but it seems like if you want to really get into the guts of things, you'll have to deal with MFC and COM.
.NET considering the messier parts of pure COM (ever tried hand-coding any of that stuff?)
Uh, hold it. The "guts" of Windows programming is the Win32 API. MFC is a set of foundation classes that ride on top of the Win32 and encapsulate them in a bunch of frustrating ways. MFC does not gain you the "guts" of anything - in fact, it tries to abstract away from the API to classes.
It's an ugly hack of macros and classes, complete with its own implementations of strings and collection classes (some of which leak memory) and various constructs with hidden gotchas like CArchive (serialise your class via CArchive attacked to a CSocketFile attached to a CSocket! If you like debugging that, then you might also like pounding nails into your head).
COM is nothing more than a binary format for code that provide a way to get interfaces to said binary code into any language that can understand said interfaces. Windows likes to do things in a COM way these days which means that knowledge of same is valuable. But even then they're trying to replace it with
Would this be the Hamlet where the British are portrayed as effeminate, oppressive baby-eating bastards during the incredible distortion of history masquerading as documentary you're supposed to hate to the last man by the end of the movie?
Oh, sorry, that would be every OTHER Mel Gibson movie in recent memory apart from that one where he's mincing around in tights and a turquoise bra.
Want a pile of ashes? I'll dig em out of the trash.
Absolutely wrong, and don't talk to me about verbal diarrhoea until you've done your homework.
Here's the site before the flag was pulled http://canadianflag.org/images/canadaforces.jpg. I don't see any Canada with a flag over the a which would be a trademark of the government. I do however see two Canadian flags, which were removed at the request of the government.
And I stand by my initial statement that the flag proper should stand for the country, not Jean Chretien.
Passports are issued by governments, not countries, so that shoots that point down.
And BTW if as you say the flag represents the government and not the country, that says something a little disturbing. I will burn my flag tonight, cause it represents Jean Chretien and not the country in which I was born.
You don't see people misconstruing the "Patriot/Militia" type web pages out there as being condoned by the US gov't cause there's US flags on those, do you? Nobody in his right mind thinks that the Waco types who fly the flag are condoned by the US government, do you? Get a grip. The moment I need Jean Chretien's permission to fly a Canadian flag is the day I burn it. So off to the pyre tonight it goes.
What are you to be proud of? A 60c dollar? Your tax dollars going to art projects involving Mexicans doing unpleasant things to test tubes? Shovelgate? The golf course in Shawinigan? The HRDC?
The Liberals paradoxically enough wanted flags everywhere to try and raise national pride a la Nike Swoosh. Seems that if you want to use it to oppose the government, in comes the law. Interesting message, though - "the flag is the property of the government. Not you. Now shut up, and work harder. I've got more taxes I want to shove your way."
In Canada, the government does as it damn well pleases. Who will oppose it?
Does the flag belong to the government, or the people of the country?
Par for the course for Canada - "the country is your corrupt socialist government. Dissent against the government is dissent against the country."
I believe wholeheartedly that Canada's government would disallow use of the flag. It's a country without free speech rights that fears political speech that opposes the cabal that makes up its dictatorship.
Ever heard the expression "Boston Wad" or "Pigeon Drop?" It's a con game where you get a roll of dollars, then add a fifty to the top. Wrap with elastic band.
Then you find your mark, and agree to go drinking. Show him the huge wad of "fifties". Drop it (with him in tow) in a locker or safety deposit box and keep the key.
Later on in the evening, get a phone call/page or something telling you to get out of town or whatever. (This works really well if both of you are dopers/criminal element) Suggest to your new friend that you need to boot out of town and could he grab you $400 from the ATM for bus fare, etc? He's totally entitled to keep the $1000 in the locker - you haven't time to get it and get out of town and are willing to eat the loss in order to save your neck.
You get the $400 and split. Your "friend" finds out his wad was worth $75 or so.
Dotcoms were pigeon drops. Legal ones. "Oh, uh, yeah, this stock's going to be the next Microsoft. Want mine for $100 a share? I made enough money on it having bought in at $3 a share!"
Who knows...
Do Canadians have the political will to fight their own version, though? The answer is no. That's the only point I'm getting at.
RE: You miss the point entirely. When mention was made of aggressive foreign policy, it wasn't about the attack on Afghanistan, but about events that took place before sept. 11.
I'm sorry - you must have a version on your screen that mentions Viet-Nam, Laos, Cambodia, etc. All I saw was "aggressive foreign policy".
RE: names of countries
There were valid reasons for all of this.
RE: Don't ask me, ask the whole wide world!
The same world that sent troops to Viet Nam (including Canada and Australia) and Iraq as well as Afghanistan?
RE: The U.S. is one of the only country to vote against a U.N. resolution against torture. To vote down another resolution that said that countries should submit to international law.
The US is NOT going to bow its sovereignty down to a bunch of third world Marxists who can't even generate a decent Christmas card.
RE: And you wonder why so many people throughout the world hate what the U.S. has come to represent!
Well, apart from wackos who want women shrouded and chess sets burned, and Marxists who want to rule the world and make it their plaything... who?
RE: BTW "Tu quoque" is latin, not french.
And means about as much in context as your French. More pretentious than your attempt though.
RE: No, actually you're presenting opinions as facts to support your broad argument that Canada sucks.
Oh, so the database (they disbanded it!) is opinion? The lower taxes in the US is opinion? The fact that the USA has a Bill of Rights and Canada doesn't (at least, not one that supports free speech, the right to bear arms, etc) is opinion? Who's the troll.
RE: Ah, yes, and that gives you the needed insight to judge an entire society, right?
That, and having spent time in Montreal, Chicoutimi, etc. And Beauharnois. Where they do do backyard wrestling.
RE: So, if I stay for a while in a redneck town down south that features the occasionnal cross-burning, then I guess I could say that americans are racist, violent bigots, right?
No, you'd say that based on propaganda from the CBC.
RE: Then again, seeing as you're implying in your post that the collective IQ of Canadians is lower-than-average, I guess you are a bigot! And a troll. Goodbye!
I am suggesting that there's some disconnect between intellect and the way y'all vote. You know Chretien's a lying crook who refuses to pay for healthcare and jacks the taxes up and up and up yet still you vote the guy in.
RE: Typo.
A typo is where you hit the wrong key. You chose completely different words. Your brain is disordered. Calm down and try again.
RE: Still, the rest of my point holds.I did notice you didn't try to refute it. Smart move.
I'll say this again, though there are "hot spots" in the US, the bigger polluter in the NorthEast is Ontario. And due to environmental pollution, you have people dying from the water, something that doesn't happen in the USA.
RE:Gee, I don't know, after all I am winning this argument,
You think? Ad hominem attacks against me and Conrad Black won't either win this argument nor will it give you rights and freedoms.
RE: and in a language that is not my own.
Ce n'est pas le mien non plus.
RE:I guess it does make me kinda smart, doesn't it?
Actually, no.
RE: (And just to answer something you said in another reply: countries do have the right to defend themselves.
Well then, buy your own military. Don't insult Americans all the time and turn your back, and then suddenly expect the USA to come charging in like the Cavalry if you ever have problems. K?
RE: This has nothing to do with the fact that the US has an aggressive foreign policy, which in turn is not validated by the fact that innocent people died in the WTC.
We were discussing the need for self-defense. The USA right now is trying to root out people intent on killing them. Who have already started a war with the US on US soil. That is not evil American bad aggressive foreign policy, it's self defense.
Unlike Queebeckers, who lose a war and then go on to run the country anyway as if they won it.
RE: J'ai pas que ça à foutre. Salut!)
Tu quoque.
RE: Well, that explains a lot! For those who don't know, The National Post is one of Canada's most conservative newspapers.
And... your point? You'd prefer to read the same fact from the Toronto Star? Oh, BTW this guy is about to insinuate that the paper is lying because it is conservative.
RE: It is owned by Conrad Black, a man who despises Chretien bechause he prevented him from becoming a British Lord (I despise Chretien too, but for different reasons). It seems Black has a fondness for the "good old days" of colonial rule...Black's name is also synonym with "concentration of the press" in Canada, a fact that BluedemonX here doesn't seem to think is inconsistent with freedom of speech.
And this has what to do with the fact that Canada Post regularly opens mail without a warrant? Anyone?
RE: By the way, BluedemonX, it's in really poor taste to bring in the victims of the WTC into this...the fact is that their deaths does not give an automatic seal of approval to U.S. foreign policy.
Dude, you don't seem to realise that people need to be able to defend themselves. This "oh well, we don't need to cause we don't go around attacking other people" is nonsense. There will always be psychos. The victims of the WTC didn't ask to be bombed. Countries and citizens need to be able to defend themselves.