at first i thought, ok, help them out, but then it felt kinda like a scam. sending them my email address so they could get more memory? that's quite odd. most other folks are just asking the hw companies to donate (xcdroast for a good example). additionally, at the cost of memory these day (40$ for 128MB), i find it all kinda odd. who knows, maybe i'm just being a little paranoid.
i didn't even realize this was on the market yet. no advertising, nothing. not even on the front page of the latest best buy/compusa ads. anyway, hope this gives a boost to unix software.
i like how the author of the article distinguishes between hacker and cracker. the cracker being the one who can access your system through ie. the hacker who found the exploit. nice job!
looking at the posts on the debian list, it seems as if this was to be private infomation (who voted for whom). this was probably just an OOPS, but should this sort of information be public? i think this should probably be private infomation, maybe alowing the totals to be public, but not each vote.
excellent article from MSNBC! go figure. anyway, the data isn't encrypted, but to make a direct copy on a cd-rom would involve bypassing a copy protection put on by the "copyright holder". to my lame understanding, this would kinda violate the dmca as it's currently written. this is just another bold example to get the DMCA re-written or just plain thrown out.
i really agree with the poster that says we should refuse to buy any CD's that involve these copy protections. if you have a toddler in the house, you know the lifetime of an average CD (i won't even get started on VHS tapes) isn't 4ever, hardly close. backups are necessary if you want to have it longer than a few months. the article does point out that we still would be able to make a tape backup, but who wants an analogue copy of a digital media they bought? i thought analogue tape was a depreciated interface anyway.
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From the internet to the legislature: "Please leave me alone. I do not wish government regulation or interference. I have only grown to where I am today by you slimy bastards keeping your hands out of the pot as much as possible."
did the democratic party subsidise this article? this article seemed to spew democratic gut beliefs all over. let the governement regulate service providers?! PLEASE! NOT MORE LEGISLATION! WE NEED LESS GOV'T CONTROL!
what i really don't understand is if company A comes to town and builds a fibre internet access where everyone on the network can download ISO's in seconds, and charges 60$ per month, should they have to let company B come to town and "lease" their lines (at a presumably discounted rate) to become a service provider? if I build the network, i sure as hell ain't gonna let someone else come and make money off of it
and on unfair pricing by the current broadbands? i don't see how it's fair to criticize them for being subsidised by their other services (even though i don't read any hard facts of the such). does ford/gm plan to make a profit on every vehicle line they put out? or do they know that a few cerain models are selling at a loss just to keep their vehicles on the road? if a cable company or phone company can provide broadband on the same line that's already going to the home, don't you think they have a right to do so? even if one product isn't making as much money as the other? do all the channels on the cable network make money for the cable company? i would guess that some of those channels are loss leaders as well. it's just a common business practice no matter which industry you're in.
isn't that why the slashdot community asked the congressman these questions? to find out how hard they are working (or he has worked) on the issues most interested to the community? i applaude this gent for giving this community the time of day. i would think most congress folks would rather spend their time having dinner with the lobyists from the RIAA/MPAA or anyone else who's wining and dinning them.
this congressman kicks arse!
while this company is certainly within their
rights under the GPL license, they aren't doing themselves any good PR by stating the actual reason they're charging, to get paid for their work of "putting together their distribution", as oppose to the charge for copying/pressing or even a reasonable cost of bandwidth of distributing the product. are people really going to pay for this product when they're in effect forced to by the company because they need to put bread on the table? please, there's so many other distros out there... if i want to support a certain distro, i'll run to the store and buy a boxed set, or i'll send them a donation, but pay for a download. i don't think so. I'll predict a slashdot story 6 months from now that reports libranet has went under. sorry guys, i realize everyone needs to pay the bills and all, but forcing the consumer to feed you cash for a product you took mostly from others is a little bit out in left field. if the banwidth were such an issue, those with low bandwidth (and low budgets) would go to cheapbytes and get the disk (been there, done that).
while i find you post very informative and interesting, you seem to have a bad image of the slashdot community. i really think the stories posted here are of relevance, and interesting to the community. we just don't have all the technical details as some of the hard-core dvd hackers. these stories are "news for nerds", and your post helps to convey the technical details.
not what the judge was smoking, but i would really like to see the judges campaign contribution funds, where those have been coming from would be interesting to note.
while it sounds like some of these folks got the short end of the stick, they really should know a little about the company they're getting into bed with. if i'm expecting to give a company at least 40 a week, and expecting them to put food on the table (which is inside the house), then there's gotta be a pretty good 2 way trust there, eh? if there's problems, then RUN, RUN. There's lenty of other opportunities out there.
i totally agree with this. the majority here seems outraged about how their "freedoms" are restricted or changed via DMCA legislation, copyright laws, ICANN, etc, but when restricting someone's freedom will make their lives more convenient, then it's ok. i just don't get it.
where in the constitution does it say that we, or more specifically those bastards in congress, can make laws that restcict one's freedom just because their actions make someone else's life inconvenient? i'm sure lots of people are inconvenienced when protestors gather at the state capitol building, but does that mean we should restrict their freedom of speech and public gathering?
this does imply that an ammendment is needed. if no state can charge a tax for goods that are shipped out of its borders, and the feds can't charge a tax for interstate trading, then who's going to collect the tax? the state of the recipiant? this is the current law, but the recipiant's state does not have import control to tax each item that's brought in it's borders. something like this would cost too much to control. should the citizens are to be honest on their tax forms to declare items bought outside the border? what a joke. is the gov't honest with the citizens when it proclaims "no new taxes"? NOPE!
I think this just goes to show just how foolish these taxes are getting (and yet how greedy the gov't is when they see another opportunity to sweeten their pockets!)
I would much rather favor a U.S. usage tax on all goods purchased that would REPLACE the current income tax. Face it, it's not to pretty to notice once a year on the w-2's exactly how much those bastards rape each and everyone's checkbook!
i see this as a big win for napster. if they only have to block file name produced by the riaa, songs people want will most certainly thrive on napster.
M_E_T_A_L_L_I_C_A--B_L_A_C_K--A_L_B_U_M--T_R_A_C_K --01.MP3
always nice to see the subject of a story posting their comments. thanks for the extensive information as well as providing your personal take on the issue!
when a company forces OEM's to NOT install competing products on machines, that's anti-competitive. most users will use what's already on the machine. why waste time, on a 28.8 connection at the time, downloading 10 mb files to get netscape? how does this harm consumers? by elbowing out the competion (because of monopoly power) innovation is left to only your innovation.
with all the distro's out there, what would be the big loss of loosing a distro like corell? from what i gather it was targeted at the desktop user, and there's other distros that are like that (mandrake?).
I think they would do more good by open sourcing their office application, assuming it's less resource intensive than open office. then again there's koffice... i think their nitch in the market was too late and too small, and didn't provide enough value to the consumer.
what's the problem? is the fsf or whomever afraid of the outcome? why not just get some trivial trial underway to test the license. i personally couldn't see any court issues, but haven't gone that deep into the subject.
if there's so much concern, just test it and get it over with. we're all taught to test the hell out of the software, why not the licenses too!
This is so true!
One of my first assignments out of school was to write a "reformatter" because a file format from the vendor was changing. It was a horrible mess of FORTRAN, but got the job done, for about a year anyway, until the format changed again. I quickly learned the power of perl, and put it to use.
from what i read, napster will be required to stop allowing copyrighted material to be traded only after it's been made aware of the fact that copyrighted material is being traded via its service. what that sounds like to me, is kinda like the metallica ban all over again. someone has to tell them that a copyright piece is being traded (probably the username sharing the file) and then they will have to take action. i don't see them limiting the song searches or anything like that.
regardless, their servers are going to be hit for the next few weeks while people go on a frenzy. gnutella anyone?
would it be legal for me to make a cola product and label it cokesucks to sell? would the average consumer know that this is not from the coca-cola company, or could they confuse it with the companies marketing folks trying to put out a satire on their own product to make a few $?
just a thought..
it all depends on how you define hacker. you seem to define hacker as being someone who hacks code all day to create a piece of software. i guess i would consider also a sysadmin who hacks away all day at installing and maintaining software a hacker.
to me hacker is defined as someone who is driven by the curiousity of how it works and determined to make it work. hell, an auto mecahnic hacking away at the frame of the car to get a larger engine inside should be considered a hacker.
i doubt scour will ever make it back into the file trading market. they've been out of the market too long, and people have already found other tools to get the stuff they want. didn't my.mp3.com try to make a comeback?
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at first i thought, ok, help them out, but then it felt kinda like a scam. sending them my email address so they could get more memory? that's quite odd. most other folks are just asking the hw companies to donate (xcdroast for a good example). additionally, at the cost of memory these day (40$ for 128MB), i find it all kinda odd. who knows, maybe i'm just being a little paranoid.
i didn't even realize this was on the market yet. no advertising, nothing. not even on the front page of the latest best buy/compusa ads. anyway, hope this gives a boost to unix software.
i like how the author of the article distinguishes between hacker and cracker. the cracker being the one who can access your system through ie. the hacker who found the exploit. nice job!
looking at the posts on the debian list, it seems as if this was to be private infomation (who voted for whom). this was probably just an OOPS, but should this sort of information be public? i think this should probably be private infomation, maybe alowing the totals to be public, but not each vote.
i really agree with the poster that says we should refuse to buy any CD's that involve these copy protections. if you have a toddler in the house, you know the lifetime of an average CD (i won't even get started on VHS tapes) isn't 4ever, hardly close. backups are necessary if you want to have it longer than a few months. the article does point out that we still would be able to make a tape backup, but who wants an analogue copy of a digital media they bought? i thought analogue tape was a depreciated interface anyway. 0.02$
From the internet to the legislature: "Please leave me alone. I do not wish government regulation or interference. I have only grown to where I am today by you slimy bastards keeping your hands out of the pot as much as possible."
did the democratic party subsidise this article? this article seemed to spew democratic gut beliefs all over. let the governement regulate service providers?! PLEASE! NOT MORE LEGISLATION! WE NEED LESS GOV'T CONTROL!
what i really don't understand is if company A comes to town and builds a fibre internet access where everyone on the network can download ISO's in seconds, and charges 60$ per month, should they have to let company B come to town and "lease" their lines (at a presumably discounted rate) to become a service provider? if I build the network, i sure as hell ain't gonna let someone else come and make money off of it
and on unfair pricing by the current broadbands? i don't see how it's fair to criticize them for being subsidised by their other services (even though i don't read any hard facts of the such). does ford/gm plan to make a profit on every vehicle line they put out? or do they know that a few cerain models are selling at a loss just to keep their vehicles on the road? if a cable company or phone company can provide broadband on the same line that's already going to the home, don't you think they have a right to do so? even if one product isn't making as much money as the other? do all the channels on the cable network make money for the cable company? i would guess that some of those channels are loss leaders as well. it's just a common business practice no matter which industry you're in.
isn't that why the slashdot community asked the congressman these questions? to find out how hard they are working (or he has worked) on the issues most interested to the community? i applaude this gent for giving this community the time of day. i would think most congress folks would rather spend their time having dinner with the lobyists from the RIAA/MPAA or anyone else who's wining and dinning them.
this congressman kicks arse!
while this company is certainly within their rights under the GPL license, they aren't doing themselves any good PR by stating the actual reason they're charging, to get paid for their work of "putting together their distribution", as oppose to the charge for copying/pressing or even a reasonable cost of bandwidth of distributing the product. are people really going to pay for this product when they're in effect forced to by the company because they need to put bread on the table? please, there's so many other distros out there... if i want to support a certain distro, i'll run to the store and buy a boxed set, or i'll send them a donation, but pay for a download. i don't think so.
I'll predict a slashdot story 6 months from now that reports libranet has went under. sorry guys, i realize everyone needs to pay the bills and all, but forcing the consumer to feed you cash for a product you took mostly from others is a little bit out in left field. if the banwidth were such an issue, those with low bandwidth (and low budgets) would go to cheapbytes and get the disk (been there, done that).
while i find you post very informative and interesting, you seem to have a bad image of the slashdot community. i really think the stories posted here are of relevance, and interesting to the community. we just don't have all the technical details as some of the hard-core dvd hackers. these stories are "news for nerds", and your post helps to convey the technical details.
not what the judge was smoking, but i would really like to see the judges campaign contribution funds, where those have been coming from would be interesting to note.
while it sounds like some of these folks got the short end of the stick, they really should know a little about the company they're getting into bed with. if i'm expecting to give a company at least 40 a week, and expecting them to put food on the table (which is inside the house), then there's gotta be a pretty good 2 way trust there, eh? if there's problems, then RUN, RUN. There's lenty of other opportunities out there.
where in the constitution does it say that we, or more specifically those bastards in congress, can make laws that restcict one's freedom just because their actions make someone else's life inconvenient? i'm sure lots of people are inconvenienced when protestors gather at the state capitol building, but does that mean we should restrict their freedom of speech and public gathering?
i would like to see the slashdot effect patented!
I think this just goes to show just how foolish these taxes are getting (and yet how greedy the gov't is when they see another opportunity to sweeten their pockets!)
I would much rather favor a U.S. usage tax on all goods purchased that would REPLACE the current income tax. Face it, it's not to pretty to notice once a year on the w-2's exactly how much those bastards rape each and everyone's checkbook!
i see this as a big win for napster. if they only have to block file name produced by the riaa, songs people want will most certainly thrive on napster. M_E_T_A_L_L_I_C_A--B_L_A_C_K--A_L_B_U_M--T_R_A_C_K --01.MP3
always nice to see the subject of a story posting their comments. thanks for the extensive information as well as providing your personal take on the issue!
when a company forces OEM's to NOT install competing products on machines, that's anti-competitive. most users will use what's already on the machine. why waste time, on a 28.8 connection at the time, downloading 10 mb files to get netscape? how does this harm consumers? by elbowing out the competion (because of monopoly power) innovation is left to only your innovation.
with all the distro's out there, what would be the big loss of loosing a distro like corell? from what i gather it was targeted at the desktop user, and there's other distros that are like that (mandrake?).
I think they would do more good by open sourcing their office application, assuming it's less resource intensive than open office. then again there's koffice... i think their nitch in the market was too late and too small, and didn't provide enough value to the consumer.
what's the problem? is the fsf or whomever afraid of the outcome? why not just get some trivial trial underway to test the license. i personally couldn't see any court issues, but haven't gone that deep into the subject.
if there's so much concern, just test it and get it over with. we're all taught to test the hell out of the software, why not the licenses too!
This is so true!
One of my first assignments out of school was to write a "reformatter" because a file format from the vendor was changing. It was a horrible mess of FORTRAN, but got the job done, for about a year anyway, until the format changed again. I quickly learned the power of perl, and put it to use.
from what i read, napster will be required to stop allowing copyrighted material to be traded only after it's been made aware of the fact that copyrighted material is being traded via its service. what that sounds like to me, is kinda like the metallica ban all over again. someone has to tell them that a copyright piece is being traded (probably the username sharing the file) and then they will have to take action. i don't see them limiting the song searches or anything like that. regardless, their servers are going to be hit for the next few weeks while people go on a frenzy. gnutella anyone?
would it be legal for me to make a cola product and label it cokesucks to sell? would the average consumer know that this is not from the coca-cola company, or could they confuse it with the companies marketing folks trying to put out a satire on their own product to make a few $? just a thought..
from what i read in the article, the owner of xbox doesn't want to co-exist, and it's clear that they are in the same business (gaming technologies).
it all depends on how you define hacker. you seem to define hacker as being someone who hacks code all day to create a piece of software. i guess i would consider also a sysadmin who hacks away all day at installing and maintaining software a hacker. to me hacker is defined as someone who is driven by the curiousity of how it works and determined to make it work. hell, an auto mecahnic hacking away at the frame of the car to get a larger engine inside should be considered a hacker.
i doubt scour will ever make it back into the file trading market. they've been out of the market too long, and people have already found other tools to get the stuff they want. didn't my.mp3.com try to make a comeback?