weather it's a corporate documented and sponsored feature, or just a feature is besides the point. it's still a feature that was there, the users (lots of them) liked, and was removed by the corporate without the users consent. this is a lousy example, but if your browser upgrades it self, then all the sudden starts throwing 404's for sites it doesn't "approve", would you be a little inclined to want to revert back to the previous version ASAP?
isn't slashdot a free service? what's keeping them afloat? other revenue streams (VC maybe?). their main product isn't the internet service, they're an advertising company that advertises to people who dial into their servers. i agree that the free internet isn't doing so well, but that's in part because all the advertising on the internet is for other web sites. i really think that if traditional companies would start to advertise their core products (pepsi, tide, whatever) on the web that would give the kick that's needed. it's these types of advertisements that keeps the free tv service running, as well as free radio i would presume.
all the ads on the internet are typically, come here and buy this.. come to my pages and see what i'm selling. hopefully soon the day will come when the ads are more typical product name recognition ads (even entertaining). most tv comercials don't send you out to your local grocery store to buy coffee, they just show you an unbelieveably calm morning waking up with foldgers in the cup. then you remember that when you're in the store. how about something like: "slashdot.org read the news for nerds or just watch the trolls bash the next Katz article". then some little trolls come along and start bashing a Katz article to shreds. not even a click through. just an animaged gif or whatever.
on another tangent related to tv advertising, most tv commercials aren't about other tv programs or channels or whatever, they're about products you go to buy. why does it seem that 99%(that's being a little generous) of the internet ads are about other web sites. the entire web advertising revenue is coming from other broke companies. i can see an entertainment site having ads for a "place' that sells stuff.. well.. there's just too many people selling stuff on the web when most people just want the news for nerds, and stuff that matters:)
for platforms we can't use ie, we have konqueror and others.
browsers should render broken HTML code according to a broken HTML rendering standard
i for one say hats off to the mozilla folks for their outstanding efforts in creating such an awesome browser. I recently upgraded to the.9 and I have to say, the browser just plain works better. This is really showing to become a commercial quality browser. Keep up the work all!
"If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works....Thus, it is not the intent of this section to claim rights or contest your rights to work written entirely by you; rather, the intent is to exercise the right to control the distribution of derivative or collective works based on the Program."
this merely says that if my program uses/extends gpl code, and also has legitimate non-gpl functionality (menu bar/tool bar/quit button don't qualify as legitimate functionality), then i don't have to release the code of my non gpl using program. i do however HAVE to release the sections of my code that use the gpl code.
i really think that staroffice has been doing something for the ms office hold. sure, _large_ corporations aren't moving right away to it, but i'm sure schools, and small business are choosing that path. who wants to pay the 300+ for a word processor and spreadsheet application? also, lots of new budget pc's i've seen are being bundled with staroffice along with Windows ME OS.
shared source - not really new to ms
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From what i've heard, ms has "shared" their source to companies in the past for a VERY, VERY pretty penny of course. With that, their shared source isn't really a new idea or philosophy, i think they're just trying to inform the CIO/Managerial types with "hey, i know you've heard all the hype about the GPL and open source software, but look, you can get our source code too."
regarding the "sponsored by".. the 2600 site itself clearly implies that it's related to ford motor company, buy the mere fact of where it takes you. just like many of the other sites on the net that automajically take you to another site. you have to do some digging to really find out who's footing the bill for the site, and most consumers wouldn't have a clue how to even go about doing that (or even care to find out). i guess this would be similar to say a political ad that say trashes Gore and puts GW in the limelight, but then at the end of the ad in small print you find out the ad was sponsored/paid for by the MOBIL/EXXON/ and all other major oil companies.
and what's stopping me from going today to blockbuster today and grabing myself a copy of their vcr tapes? giving a copy to the neighbour or whoever. nothing..
dvd's will be no different. it's just a different technology, and a different decade. i can rent a movie from block buster today and copy it to my tvio, and watch it long after my rental period has expired. same thing. dvd recorders might take some time, but they'll be here. how long was it before we had affordable cd recording equipment/media? not within the last 3-4 years if that.
"Giving your product away for free makes it harder to show a profit. (doh...) "
of course, but it seems like the perception of product is being mixed with the software deliverable, and the support of that software. where does most of a typical department budget go twords, software development or support? i might guess that 75% of corporate IT workers are involved with support, and not development. opensource companies offer support as their product, not the actual software they support. their philosophy is that we'll give you the code because you should have the right to midify and inspect it if you want to, and by the way, those packages you installed, we built those so we'll support them. by doing this, they're paid for the actual work they do. writing the software has a fixed cost, you write it and hopefully test it. and that's it, support continues until the product is obsolete.
i wonder when the mass media will be able to refer to linux with out having to define it -- "an OS developed by linus and a loose knit band of hackers across the internet". i prefer it when they say "an alternative to MS windows operating system", but still..
don't the other browsers provide some sort of file management? using NS or Mozilla, I can put a file path in the url, and it will show me the files in that directory, or possibly attempt to open a specific file. to me, that's very stripped down file management. using IE and entering a local directory path into the address bar will bring up a folder view where i can copy and paste files, as well as browse them and open them (more management there). i would say konqueror is just using the IE concept to actually provide a more advanced interface when dealing with directory listings.
just my $0.01
from what i understand, the reason 2600's links are precieved illegal, and the NYT isn't, is because of their implied intent. they're a "hacker" news place, and they're giving instructions on how to get "illegal" software, while the NYT was merely reporting a popular story to the masses. the implied intent is that people will get the software, and use it. i suppose if high times mag would provide written directions on how to grow your own, it would be a similar situation? (they don't actually print those sort of instructions do they?:) ) if a "wacked out teenagers" web site were to list directions or links to how to make pipe bombs, and directions on how to blow up the school, that would be similar. implied intent.
these stories help reinforce the need for open source systems. one of the big reasons companies are reluctant to use open source systems is the percieved lack of support contracts. they instead choose to use systems from corporations such as MS because they will also offer some support contract that will most likely never be used, or won't amount to anything. do they examine the system dumps and provide some sort of explanation as to why the system was allowed to crash? Does RedHat/Apache provide such support options?
how about letting the site users donate to the bandwidth? isn't it the bandwidth that's the most expensive thing about running a "free" site? everyone and their brother is moving to broadband, and a little hosting while the box isn't being used would only make the service better. getting people to donate >5gb of disk space for lots of iso's maybe a little challenging, but those could be dispersed too. i know I'd be willing to "loan" out bandwidth while i'm not using the box provided I can easily turn it off too...
ok, maybe you were just joking, but i had to put 0.02$ in.
what's wrong with slow w/ lots of crashes? in an age where stability and performance are KEY! i'd say it's the difference between making it and loosing it in this market. they way the browsers are on linux is really sad, although i would say the mozilla folks are doign a great job. if ms would release IE for linux, closed source and all, and it was stable, and fast, i imagine you'de see people switch in a heartbeat. that's one major thing this linux is in dire need of to be a stable desktop that people can use to surf the net. and great net surfing application.
i totally agree. if only the slashdot image on the banner bar would be blue. hey slashdot folks, how about giving use some color options? that green reminds me of the default background for win98--, ick..
they'll have the drive building directions printed on good old fashioned paper.... hell, we should be storing this kind of stuff on marz... just in case the earth is destroyed. cd-rom drive, loads of cd's and an good 'ol 486 to serve up all the pages.
looking over the list of features, changes, whatever, i'm wondering when it's going to starting showing up on kernel.org? 2.4 took linux to the next level, 2.5 seems to be making it more stable, business oriented.
i somehow find it doubtfull that you're actually pulling 3Mbps each and every second. call me crazy, but i would guess the HDD's would fill up rather quickly at those rates... maybe you're purging TB's every day?
is it roadrunner that runs the scans or just time warner that does it? other cable companies that use the roadrunner network (insight) seem to have a more relaxed tos.
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weather it's a corporate documented and sponsored feature, or just a feature is besides the point. it's still a feature that was there, the users (lots of them) liked, and was removed by the corporate without the users consent.
this is a lousy example, but if your browser upgrades it self, then all the sudden starts throwing 404's for sites it doesn't "approve", would you be a little inclined to want to revert back to the previous version ASAP?
isn't slashdot a free service? what's keeping them afloat? other revenue streams (VC maybe?). their main product isn't the internet service, they're an advertising company that advertises to people who dial into their servers. i agree that the free internet isn't doing so well, but that's in part because all the advertising on the internet is for other web sites. i really think that if traditional companies would start to advertise their core products (pepsi, tide, whatever) on the web that would give the kick that's needed. it's these types of advertisements that keeps the free tv service running, as well as free radio i would presume.
i really liked the modern skin (previous darker blue). hopefully they have a modernI and modern II.
all the ads on the internet are typically, come here and buy this.. come to my pages and see what i'm selling. hopefully soon the day will come when the ads are more typical product name recognition ads (even entertaining). most tv comercials don't send you out to your local grocery store to buy coffee, they just show you an unbelieveably calm morning waking up with foldgers in the cup. then you remember that when you're in the store. :)
how about something like: "slashdot.org read the news for nerds or just watch the trolls bash the next Katz article". then some little trolls come along and start bashing a Katz article to shreds. not even a click through. just an animaged gif or whatever.
on another tangent related to tv advertising, most tv commercials aren't about other tv programs or channels or whatever, they're about products you go to buy. why does it seem that 99%(that's being a little generous) of the internet ads are about other web sites. the entire web advertising revenue is coming from other broke companies. i can see an entertainment site having ads for a "place' that sells stuff.. well.. there's just too many people selling stuff on the web when most people just want the news for nerds, and stuff that matters
mozilla is bloatware.
ie is an awesome browser.
for platforms we can't use ie, we have konqueror and others.
browsers should render broken HTML code according to a broken HTML rendering standard .9 and I have to say, the browser just plain works better. This is really showing to become a commercial quality browser. Keep up the work all!
i for one say hats off to the mozilla folks for their outstanding efforts in creating such an awesome browser. I recently upgraded to the
"If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works....Thus, it is not the intent of this section to claim rights or contest your rights to work written entirely by you; rather, the intent is to exercise the right to control the distribution of derivative or collective works based on the Program."
this merely says that if my program uses/extends gpl code, and also has legitimate non-gpl functionality (menu bar/tool bar/quit button don't qualify as legitimate functionality), then i don't have to release the code of my non gpl using program. i do however HAVE to release the sections of my code that use the gpl code.
i really think that staroffice has been doing something for the ms office hold. sure, _large_ corporations aren't moving right away to it, but i'm sure schools, and small business are choosing that path. who wants to pay the 300+ for a word processor and spreadsheet application? also, lots of new budget pc's i've seen are being bundled with staroffice along with Windows ME OS.
From what i've heard, ms has "shared" their source to companies in the past for a VERY, VERY pretty penny of course. With that, their shared source isn't really a new idea or philosophy, i think they're just trying to inform the CIO/Managerial types with "hey, i know you've heard all the hype about the GPL and open source software, but look, you can get our source code too."
regarding the "sponsored by" .. the 2600 site itself clearly implies that it's related to ford motor company, buy the mere fact of where it takes you. just like many of the other sites on the net that automajically take you to another site. you have to do some digging to really find out who's footing the bill for the site, and most consumers wouldn't have a clue how to even go about doing that (or even care to find out). i guess this would be similar to say a political ad that say trashes Gore and puts GW in the limelight, but then at the end of the ad in small print you find out the ad was sponsored/paid for by the MOBIL/EXXON/ and all other major oil companies.
and what's stopping me from going today to blockbuster today and grabing myself a copy of their vcr tapes? giving a copy to the neighbour or whoever. nothing..
dvd's will be no different. it's just a different technology, and a different decade. i can rent a movie from block buster today and copy it to my tvio, and watch it long after my rental period has expired. same thing. dvd recorders might take some time, but they'll be here. how long was it before we had affordable cd recording equipment/media? not within the last 3-4 years if that.
"Giving your product away for free makes it harder to show a profit. (doh...) "
of course, but it seems like the perception of product is being mixed with the software deliverable, and the support of that software. where does most of a typical department budget go twords, software development or support? i might guess that 75% of corporate IT workers are involved with support, and not development. opensource companies offer support as their product, not the actual software they support. their philosophy is that we'll give you the code because you should have the right to midify and inspect it if you want to, and by the way, those packages you installed, we built those so we'll support them. by doing this, they're paid for the actual work they do. writing the software has a fixed cost, you write it and hopefully test it. and that's it, support continues until the product is obsolete.
i wonder when the mass media will be able to refer to linux with out having to define it -- "an OS developed by linus and a loose knit band of hackers across the internet". i prefer it when they say "an alternative to MS windows operating system", but still..
don't the other browsers provide some sort of file management? using NS or Mozilla, I can put a file path in the url, and it will show me the files in that directory, or possibly attempt to open a specific file. to me, that's very stripped down file management. using IE and entering a local directory path into the address bar will bring up a folder view where i can copy and paste files, as well as browse them and open them (more management there). i would say konqueror is just using the IE concept to actually provide a more advanced interface when dealing with directory listings.
just my $0.01
from what i understand, the reason 2600's links are precieved illegal, and the NYT isn't, is because of their implied intent. they're a "hacker" news place, and they're giving instructions on how to get "illegal" software, while the NYT was merely reporting a popular story to the masses. the implied intent is that people will get the software, and use it. i suppose if high times mag would provide written directions on how to grow your own, it would be a similar situation? (they don't actually print those sort of instructions do they? :) ) if a "wacked out teenagers" web site were to list directions or links to how to make pipe bombs, and directions on how to blow up the school, that would be similar. implied intent.
these stories help reinforce the need for open source systems. one of the big reasons companies are reluctant to use open source systems is the percieved lack of support contracts. they instead choose to use systems from corporations such as MS because they will also offer some support contract that will most likely never be used, or won't amount to anything. do they examine the system dumps and provide some sort of explanation as to why the system was allowed to crash? Does RedHat/Apache provide such support options?
did ya look at the list of examples on the page? i haven't used it's db at all, but supposibly zope contains an oodbms (among other listed above)..
how about letting the site users donate to the bandwidth? isn't it the bandwidth that's the most expensive thing about running a "free" site? everyone and their brother is moving to broadband, and a little hosting while the box isn't being used would only make the service better. getting people to donate >5gb of disk space for lots of iso's maybe a little challenging, but those could be dispersed too. i know I'd be willing to "loan" out bandwidth while i'm not using the box provided I can easily turn it off too...
i wasn't aware of the abisource death, and am unable to find anything on their site that shows this. could someone clue me in?
ok, maybe you were just joking, but i had to put 0.02$ in.
what's wrong with slow w/ lots of crashes? in an age where stability and performance are KEY! i'd say it's the difference between making it and loosing it in this market. they way the browsers are on linux is really sad, although i would say the mozilla folks are doign a great job. if ms would release IE for linux, closed source and all, and it was stable, and fast, i imagine you'de see people switch in a heartbeat. that's one major thing this linux is in dire need of to be a stable desktop that people can use to surf the net. and great net surfing application.
i totally agree. if only the slashdot image on the banner bar would be blue. hey slashdot folks, how about giving use some color options? that green reminds me of the default background for win98--, ick..
they'll have the drive building directions printed on good old fashioned paper .. .. hell, we should be storing this kind of stuff on marz ... just in case the earth is destroyed. cd-rom drive, loads of cd's and an good 'ol 486 to serve up all the pages.
looking over the list of features, changes, whatever, i'm wondering when it's going to starting showing up on kernel.org? 2.4 took linux to the next level, 2.5 seems to be making it more stable, business oriented.
i somehow find it doubtfull that you're actually pulling 3Mbps each and every second. call me crazy, but i would guess the HDD's would fill up rather quickly at those rates... maybe you're purging TB's every day?
why low-volume servers? why shouldn't you be able to pull 384k from the server 24x7?
is it roadrunner that runs the scans or just time warner that does it? other cable companies that use the roadrunner network (insight) seem to have a more relaxed tos.