Has nobody done a windows update style upgrade engine yet?
Eh? In what way, only one step? I must admit that I really don't know why there isn't an all in one "updateupgrade", but hey.
windows update is really simple and useful for a "desktop user" IMHO
Yeah, I guess. In that it only covers the bugs that MS feels fit to fix on any given day, you're not going to get a lot easier than windows update. But servers are a different kettle of fish... the basic assumption is, well my basic assumption is that people who are administering servers know at least a bit.
Hey, I'm a really lame Unix admin, so I f*cking ADORE apt-get.
And you *do* keep telling us that linux is ready for the desktop...
I don't. I just binned my Linux desktop install in favour of an iBook. Couldn't be happier:)
Yeah, I'm with you on that one, and it's one of the rare occasions where I'm with Microsoft too. If you're going to use Windows, pay. If you're going to use Windows servers, pay more. And if you use Windows (particularly for business) and think you don't need to pay, you should get your arse kicked.
The more people who are forced to pay, through the nose, for this shit.... the more we will see both a proliferation of open source AND a return to an active and competitive closed source software industry.
In Open Source you know who messed up. You have their email address and phone number. You have a basis for trust or not based on past reputation/performance
More to the point they care. I have this messed up existence, half in OSS and half dealing with MS's products and I'm constantly amazed at the pride OSS coders have in their work, and the level of repsonsibility shown by the community in dealing with problems such as this.
Proving a point, a quick apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and... yeah, it's there. I can have the servers I administer secured in less time than it takes me to write this daft, misinformed fanboy slashdot post.
Yes, drivers accelerate windows. They always have done. In the olden days when people would compare the performance of video accelerators under 2D, this is basically what they were comparing. But all windows does is say "paint this red" or "blit this bitmap from here to here". When a Win32 window is moved off the bottom of the screen then bought back on it is delivered a series of paint messages describing the rectangle that has just been exposed and hence needs painting. Ditto when the Z order changes.
Quartz Extreme works completely differently. Windows are set up as surfaces within the accelerator then the accelerator is told where to move the surfaces to, changes in Z order, alpha blending etc. So, Bzzt wrong your arse.
And yes, the P4 will mash the G4 into the ground. I just bought a base model (700MHz) ibook and it's was cheap, convenient, secure and runs Unix. I love it, but it's fucking slow.
Microsoft should learn to pick it's fights. Does Google have money? No. Does Google have the daily attention and trust of tens of millions of people? Yes.
Quite honestly I think Google are the better armed this time round. Besides, they don't have a shareprice to uphold, they don't have a justice department probably still looking to kick their arse... nobody wants them dead. Do I need to go on?
The best thing about this is you can have an unlimited licence for five hundred bucks. It's a bit touch and go as a way to help my mother in law sort stuff out remotely, but for installations much over about a dozen machines it must be a complete no-brainer.
Dave
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Yes and no. My point was in proving that causality is the wrong way round. You need to be rich before you can buy the Ferrari. Being rich causes Ferrari buying. If I went out and bought a Ferrari I would not magically become a millionaire, and in fact the reverse would quite probably happen.
Besides, Rachel would kill me.
You're also right, but on a separate point. I suspect that 90% of the value proposition for a Ferrari is to illustrate to the rest of the world how rich the owner is, or would like to appear to be. Otherwise why don't they just get a motorbike - aside from the obvious dying when you crash thing.
if this is all I had to do to get a faster burner back in the day, I would have gladly switched to Apple!
So do it now.
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...putting cause and effect the wrong way round. In other news:
* People sneezing more likely to catch cold. * Companies with fewer security concerns more likely to use Linux. * People who buy Ferrari's are more likely to be rich.
Think really hard about buying an iBook instead. I had the order in for a 12" PowerBook and changed it to be an iBook. Pretty glad I did.
Differences?
* Faster, ish * Possibly a better screen, the iBook one is less than spectacular. Look at them side by side. * iBook keys scratch the screen in transit. This is fucking annoying. Look to see if the PB does it. * Combo drives, super drives blah de blah de blah doesn't bother me. I have a desktop machine for CD burning and a playstation to play DVD's. * The mobility radeon in the iBook is quite possibly the better chip, but the PB can screen span. The iBook can screen span too but you need to hack the bios:( * Price. Oh yes. Go work out how many gameboy SP's you can buy with the money you save from getting an iBook.
I moved to Debian from FreeBSD specifically so I didn't have to patch at source and rebuild anymore. Can't be arsed, got work to do, binary is much better.
1, Do not hot swap of an ordinary IDE controller. You will bork it. 2, Do not put a swap partition onto a flash drive. You will find out REAL FAST how quickly you can get through 1 million writes.
You're forgetting that there is no such thing as money. I can issue a million dave-o dollars tomorrow and if people are willing to accept them in exchange for goods and services, it is money. Same thing happens with MMORPG's - since there's virtual dollars can be exchanged for the real thing, and people are willing to do so, it is money.
Much more interesting is EQ's buying/selling of currency on ebay since this effectively gives EQ a floating exchange rate.
Once again, like it or not, this *is* real money:)
I'm doing sums a little like this for an extended warranty (one year goes to three) on my iBook at the moment and am beginning to think it's worth it. Three reasons:
1, The battery *will* shit it within the three year period therefore the warranty comes with a free new battery. 2, I have to straight line depreciate it over three years anyway, it somehow seems sensible to have cover over that period. 3, I broke the K key off after I had it for two weeks. Was fixed the next day. This was a major relief.
Support remote desktop? Anybody got any clue how I'm supposed to run games, a media player, a movie editor, or video conferencing software on a remote desktop?
Um, no. Apple haven't moved the iBook to G4 because they need to differentiate the 12" Powerbook somehow. Nearly worked too, I was way close to plonking down the money for a Powerbook and got an iBook instead.
Kinda. The whole point was to get 'conventional' instructions running on a VLIW chip which, because it was l33t, would run as fast as hell. Unfortunately it didn't really end up like that and the overall execution speed was nothing to write home about. It was, however, very power efficient and hence we get this whole about face and the emphasis on laptops and heat critical applications like blades.
Bit of a disaster really.
Why not emulate PPC? Well, for one there's less wrong with PPC than with x86 in the first place so the gains from morphing to VLIW would be smaller. Secondly, one of the things that's not wrong with PPC is the power consumption, or heat... until you overclock it, have to bolt on a small wind tunnel and call it a "Power Macintosh", but I digress. So - much smaller gains (if any) from emulating PPC, much smaller market in the first place, similar costs to developing for x86. Why bother?
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Has nobody done a windows update style upgrade engine yet?
... the basic assumption is, well my basic assumption is that people who are administering servers know at least a bit.
:)
Eh? In what way, only one step? I must admit that I really don't know why there isn't an all in one "updateupgrade", but hey.
windows update is really simple and useful for a "desktop user" IMHO
Yeah, I guess. In that it only covers the bugs that MS feels fit to fix on any given day, you're not going to get a lot easier than windows update. But servers are a different kettle of fish
Hey, I'm a really lame Unix admin, so I f*cking ADORE apt-get.
And you *do* keep telling us that linux is ready for the desktop...
I don't. I just binned my Linux desktop install in favour of an iBook. Couldn't be happier
Dave
Yeah, I'm with you on that one, and it's one of the rare occasions where I'm with Microsoft too. If you're going to use Windows, pay. If you're going to use Windows servers, pay more. And if you use Windows (particularly for business) and think you don't need to pay, you should get your arse kicked.
The more people who are forced to pay, through the nose, for this shit.... the more we will see both a proliferation of open source AND a return to an active and competitive closed source software industry.
Dave
98, 98SE and NT4 had some code (the codepage IIRC) plus seven digit keys that were valid if they were divisible by seven. I.e. 040 1111111.
... never installed them. Why would I, games work fine on 98.
2k, 2k server, xp
Dave
In Open Source you know who messed up. You have their email address and phone number. You have a basis for trust or not based on past reputation/performance
... yeah, it's there. I can have the servers I administer secured in less time than it takes me to write this daft, misinformed fanboy slashdot post.
:)
More to the point they care. I have this messed up existence, half in OSS and half dealing with MS's products and I'm constantly amazed at the pride OSS coders have in their work, and the level of repsonsibility shown by the community in dealing with problems such as this.
Proving a point, a quick apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and
BTW, Thank you
Dave
Yes, drivers accelerate windows. They always have done. In the olden days when people would compare the performance of video accelerators under 2D, this is basically what they were comparing. But all windows does is say "paint this red" or "blit this bitmap from here to here". When a Win32 window is moved off the bottom of the screen then bought back on it is delivered a series of paint messages describing the rectangle that has just been exposed and hence needs painting. Ditto when the Z order changes.
Quartz Extreme works completely differently. Windows are set up as surfaces within the accelerator then the accelerator is told where to move the surfaces to, changes in Z order, alpha blending etc. So, Bzzt wrong your arse.
And yes, the P4 will mash the G4 into the ground. I just bought a base model (700MHz) ibook and it's was cheap, convenient, secure and runs Unix. I love it, but it's fucking slow.
Dave
A 440 and a 4200 are completely different chips. However, accelerator or not, only OSX uses it properly (games excluded).
Dave
Microsoft should learn to pick it's fights. Does Google have money? No. Does Google have the daily attention and trust of tens of millions of people? Yes.
Quite honestly I think Google are the better armed this time round. Besides, they don't have a shareprice to uphold, they don't have a justice department probably still looking to kick their arse... nobody wants them dead. Do I need to go on?
Dave
The best thing about this is you can have an unlimited licence for five hundred bucks. It's a bit touch and go as a way to help my mother in law sort stuff out remotely, but for installations much over about a dozen machines it must be a complete no-brainer.
Dave
Yes and no. My point was in proving that causality is the wrong way round. You need to be rich before you can buy the Ferrari. Being rich causes Ferrari buying. If I went out and bought a Ferrari I would not magically become a millionaire, and in fact the reverse would quite probably happen.
Besides, Rachel would kill me.
You're also right, but on a separate point. I suspect that 90% of the value proposition for a Ferrari is to illustrate to the rest of the world how rich the owner is, or would like to appear to be. Otherwise why don't they just get a motorbike - aside from the obvious dying when you crash thing.
Dave
if this is all I had to do to get a faster burner back in the day, I would have gladly switched to Apple!
So do it now.
Dave
...putting cause and effect the wrong way round. In other news:
* People sneezing more likely to catch cold.
* Companies with fewer security concerns more likely to use Linux.
* People who buy Ferrari's are more likely to be rich.
Dave
Correction, thanks to another poster I discovered that you can calibrate iBook screens properly and now it looks a shitload better. Sweet :)
Dave
Think really hard about buying an iBook instead. I had the order in for a 12" PowerBook and changed it to be an iBook. Pretty glad I did.
:(
Differences?
* Faster, ish
* Possibly a better screen, the iBook one is less than spectacular. Look at them side by side.
* iBook keys scratch the screen in transit. This is fucking annoying. Look to see if the PB does it.
* Combo drives, super drives blah de blah de blah doesn't bother me. I have a desktop machine for CD burning and a playstation to play DVD's.
* The mobility radeon in the iBook is quite possibly the better chip, but the PB can screen span. The iBook can screen span too but you need to hack the bios
* Price. Oh yes. Go work out how many gameboy SP's you can buy with the money you save from getting an iBook.
Dave
Yeah, I'll go for that.
I moved to Debian from FreeBSD specifically so I didn't have to patch at source and rebuild anymore. Can't be arsed, got work to do, binary is much better.
Dave
Two provisos with this:
1, Do not hot swap of an ordinary IDE controller. You will bork it.
2, Do not put a swap partition onto a flash drive. You will find out REAL FAST how quickly you can get through 1 million writes.
Dave
My other WinCE machine is rapidly gathering dust, the tools for it long gone, the support for it discontinued.
.net fanboys I am constantly plagued with.
If only someone could PLEASE explain this to the
Dave
Sir,
An excellent troll, you are to be commended.
Seriously. It looked really clunky to me, but you hooked 'em AND the daft fuckers got modded to +5.
Sweet.
Dave
He used a computer to make money. Hello? What does everyone else here do for a job?
Dave
You're forgetting that there is no such thing as money. I can issue a million dave-o dollars tomorrow and if people are willing to accept them in exchange for goods and services, it is money. Same thing happens with MMORPG's - since there's virtual dollars can be exchanged for the real thing, and people are willing to do so, it is money.
:)
Much more interesting is EQ's buying/selling of currency on ebay since this effectively gives EQ a floating exchange rate.
Once again, like it or not, this *is* real money
Dave
I'm doing sums a little like this for an extended warranty (one year goes to three) on my iBook at the moment and am beginning to think it's worth it. Three reasons:
1, The battery *will* shit it within the three year period therefore the warranty comes with a free new battery.
2, I have to straight line depreciate it over three years anyway, it somehow seems sensible to have cover over that period.
3, I broke the K key off after I had it for two weeks. Was fixed the next day. This was a major relief.
Dave
Unfortunately the link you gave also points to the fact that intentionally invoking Godwin's law does not have the desired effect.
:)
None the less, point taken, and I've learned something today
Dave
Support remote desktop? Anybody got any clue how I'm supposed to run games, a media player, a movie editor, or video conferencing software on a remote desktop?
Dave
Um, no. Apple haven't moved the iBook to G4 because they need to differentiate the 12" Powerbook somehow. Nearly worked too, I was way close to plonking down the money for a Powerbook and got an iBook instead.
Very happy I am with it too.
Dave
Kinda. The whole point was to get 'conventional' instructions running on a VLIW chip which, because it was l33t, would run as fast as hell. Unfortunately it didn't really end up like that and the overall execution speed was nothing to write home about. It was, however, very power efficient and hence we get this whole about face and the emphasis on laptops and heat critical applications like blades.
... until you overclock it, have to bolt on a small wind tunnel and call it a "Power Macintosh", but I digress. So - much smaller gains (if any) from emulating PPC, much smaller market in the first place, similar costs to developing for x86. Why bother?
Bit of a disaster really.
Why not emulate PPC? Well, for one there's less wrong with PPC than with x86 in the first place so the gains from morphing to VLIW would be smaller. Secondly, one of the things that's not wrong with PPC is the power consumption, or heat
Dave
Exactly. Beautiful, isn't it.
Dave