That's because Linux is simply not ready for the desktop market. There are a lot of technical issues that come with Linux that most mainstream users aren't ready to deal with. I doubt your average Joe Blow is going to know how to edit conf files or understand how the permission system in Unix-like systems work or understand and interact with console outputs. It's just not as rigid and marketable as Windows 7 or Mac OSX. As such, no self-respecting company would bend over backwards to support a relatively meager market. It's just not profitable.
Several Linux distributions are backed by large enterprises. Google has based its flagship operating system on Linux. How much more attention do you need?
...how is this any different than the various Warez/P2P networks out there?
And why are they so hell bent on attaching themselves to something as legitimate as Wikileaks?
What's with the personal attacks? I ask for a shred of evidence for your claims and you go on a tirade. Well, thank you for proving my point. Have a good day.
Oh, well I guess that makes it okay now, doesn't it?
Like I said, I don't agree with all of these guys' methods, but I do agree with their motives.
Why are you trying to sugarcoat what they do? They're blackmailing individuals. Is this how Lulz"Sec" works? Blackmailing people into giving up their data to blackmail more people? If they were really about pointing out the security flaws of websites, then they could have simply contacted the webmasters and informed them of the flaw. The fact that they didn't even bother to do this shows that they have no ideology or justification for doing this (hence the "lulz").
Is NORML a criminal organization? Have you ever heard of "civil disobediance"? That's what these kids are doing.
Civil disobedience? Please don't compare these pompous idiots to human rights pioneers.
And yeah, I'm going to sue a multibillion dollar corporation over the couple hundred bucks and an afternoon's work. Yeah, I'll really get satisfaction that way.
Okay...I still don't understand how this justifies what LulzSec is doing.
If someone raped your daughter and the guy got off with probation, and her boyfriand castrated the rapist, would you cheer the boyfriend or defend the rapist? I choose to cheer the boyfriend, Sony's CEO should be in prison.
Apples and oranges. These people are exposing data of innocent users. Now, if they exposed the bank account information of the CEOs of these companies, then your fallacious logic may hold water. But when these so called "hackers" go around giving out confidential user information, who is hurting the most? A multi-billion dollar corporation or some poor bastard who becomes a victim of identity theft?
"Just because what LulzSec does is breaking the law doesn't make them a "criminal organization" any more than NORML is a criminal organization."
Then what are they? A collection of individuals with a specific purpose which happens to be illegal under the eyes of the law?
"Are you on crack, son? Sony "obscure"? Bank of America "obscure"?"
Yes. Obscure. These sites they attacked may have belonged to large corporations but they were obscure sites (mostly servers and websites located in other countries). Moreover, as I mentioned before, they couldn't manage to get access to the database of information on some of the sites they hacked (i.e. the U.S. Senate). So what do they do? They deface the home page. Yeah, they're real hackers.
"If LulzSec is a criminal organization, than Sony became a criminal organization when they rooted thousands of internet-connected PCs with the XCP malware they deliberately put on music CDs they sold through commerical channels."
Cool. Go sue them. It still doesn't justify what LulzSec is doing though.
LulzSec is a criminal organization. They're certainly not in it for the "lulz" and they're certainly not doing it for some lofty philosophy.
Seeing as they couldn't even access some of the databases of the sites they "hacked", it leads me to believe that they're just throwing every trick in the book on the most obscure sites they could find, hoping someone forgot to escape an SQL query here or there.
Call it what you want but Ubuntu looks to be the de facto OS that represents the Linux desktop market. Even when I ask my friends who are not familiar with too many Linux distros , the first thing they can come up is "Ubuntoo". As such, like it or not, Ubuntu is the only OS that I can think of that has the resources and the organization structure to compete with Windows. However, with the recent changes following 10.10, it seems that they're beginning to lose the competition. That's bad news for every other Linux distro in the desktop market.
When Ubuntu loses, the Linux community loses in terms of popularity and reputation.
As of now, Firefox has become so bloated that the only way I can rationalize why I bother with it is because of the robust addon support. That's it. I can no long say it's fast nor easy to use. I've been using Opera on and off, but in the end, I realize I can't survive the internet without AdBlock, Tamper Data, and Firebug, forcing me to come crawling back to the Fox.
As a novice programmer, one thing that kept throwing me off was C++, which I chose as my "beginner" language. I'm all for learning the basic foundations of programming, but Jebus, you can learn that through higher level languages as well. I realized that when I took a break from C++ and tried PHP and Python. The difference was astounding. I finally began to comprehend the principles without having to be incumbered by the complexities of the language getting in the way.
It's one thing to ignorantly bash Microsoft products, but it's another thing to bash them on a surprisingly useful feature. There are a few controversial features on Windows 7, but this one is not one of them. If you're so worried about what Microsoft can do to anonymously submitted public IP addresses, then please turn off your computer and take up the Amish culture. This is 2011. Chances are you have 5-6 tracking cookies being accessed by various web services on the internet. Get over it.
Who said it was a permanent place to store the data? There's no storage medium that will guarantee permanent storage of data. Everything ends or crumbles at some point. At least in the cloud, you get ample notification of impending shutdown before it happens.
Supporters of crap? Just because you have to pay for a product doesn't make the seller evil. The Windows line of products has improved over the years. It still dominates the desktop market, and for a good reason too. My entire university uses Windows 7 for a reason. Even the CS department which boasts h pretentious Linux zealots that rival/. still use Windows 7. Why? It's stable. Go ahead. Make some dumb stale joke about Windows XP or Vista. But as a Linux user for more than six years, I have had major headaches trying to edit confs or track down drivers or deal with arrogant individuals in IRC rooms and mailing lists. All my notions about Linux being stable and free and wholesome was turned up side down when [GASP] Windows 7 actually had 0 crashes compared to Linux. Sorry, but Windows still owns the desktop scene, and the way things are headed with Windows 7, it looks like they're going to be the frontrunners for long time to come. But A for effort for the insult.
All this uppity attitude is quite annoying. Linux distros in general have become more and more bloated while Windows operating systems have surprisingly have become a lot more stable; Even more stable than my openSuSE, Ubuntu, and Fedora distros that I use.
I'm sure the goons at RIAA/MPAA are smart enough to figure out there's no way in hell Limewire is going to cough up anything more than a few hundred thousand dollars at most. This is more of a "message" to all the would-be pirates that dare to download a song. They just keep coming up with new ways to shoot themselves in the foot these days...
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That's because Linux is simply not ready for the desktop market. There are a lot of technical issues that come with Linux that most mainstream users aren't ready to deal with. I doubt your average Joe Blow is going to know how to edit conf files or understand how the permission system in Unix-like systems work or understand and interact with console outputs. It's just not as rigid and marketable as Windows 7 or Mac OSX. As such, no self-respecting company would bend over backwards to support a relatively meager market. It's just not profitable.
Several Linux distributions are backed by large enterprises. Google has based its flagship operating system on Linux. How much more attention do you need?
...how is this any different than the various Warez/P2P networks out there? And why are they so hell bent on attaching themselves to something as legitimate as Wikileaks?
What's with the personal attacks? I ask for a shred of evidence for your claims and you go on a tirade. Well, thank you for proving my point. Have a good day.
Tell that to Sony and the list of lawsuits they have to deal with because of the PSN hack.
Sources? Proof?
Oh, well I guess that makes it okay now, doesn't it?
Why are you trying to sugarcoat what they do? They're blackmailing individuals. Is this how Lulz"Sec" works? Blackmailing people into giving up their data to blackmail more people? If they were really about pointing out the security flaws of websites, then they could have simply contacted the webmasters and informed them of the flaw. The fact that they didn't even bother to do this shows that they have no ideology or justification for doing this (hence the "lulz").
I think you need read this: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20068939-245/exclusive-ceo-says-hackers-tried-to-extort-data-money/ These are a bunch of thugs looking to get some attention. Get over it.
Civil disobedience? Please don't compare these pompous idiots to human rights pioneers.
Okay...I still don't understand how this justifies what LulzSec is doing.
Apples and oranges. These people are exposing data of innocent users. Now, if they exposed the bank account information of the CEOs of these companies, then your fallacious logic may hold water. But when these so called "hackers" go around giving out confidential user information, who is hurting the most? A multi-billion dollar corporation or some poor bastard who becomes a victim of identity theft?
Then what are they? A collection of individuals with a specific purpose which happens to be illegal under the eyes of the law?
Yes. Obscure. These sites they attacked may have belonged to large corporations but they were obscure sites (mostly servers and websites located in other countries). Moreover, as I mentioned before, they couldn't manage to get access to the database of information on some of the sites they hacked (i.e. the U.S. Senate). So what do they do? They deface the home page. Yeah, they're real hackers.
Cool. Go sue them. It still doesn't justify what LulzSec is doing though.
LulzSec is a criminal organization. They're certainly not in it for the "lulz" and they're certainly not doing it for some lofty philosophy. Seeing as they couldn't even access some of the databases of the sites they "hacked", it leads me to believe that they're just throwing every trick in the book on the most obscure sites they could find, hoping someone forgot to escape an SQL query here or there.
Call it what you want but Ubuntu looks to be the de facto OS that represents the Linux desktop market. Even when I ask my friends who are not familiar with too many Linux distros , the first thing they can come up is "Ubuntoo". As such, like it or not, Ubuntu is the only OS that I can think of that has the resources and the organization structure to compete with Windows. However, with the recent changes following 10.10, it seems that they're beginning to lose the competition. That's bad news for every other Linux distro in the desktop market. When Ubuntu loses, the Linux community loses in terms of popularity and reputation.
As of now, Firefox has become so bloated that the only way I can rationalize why I bother with it is because of the robust addon support. That's it. I can no long say it's fast nor easy to use. I've been using Opera on and off, but in the end, I realize I can't survive the internet without AdBlock, Tamper Data, and Firebug, forcing me to come crawling back to the Fox.
As a novice programmer, one thing that kept throwing me off was C++, which I chose as my "beginner" language. I'm all for learning the basic foundations of programming, but Jebus, you can learn that through higher level languages as well. I realized that when I took a break from C++ and tried PHP and Python. The difference was astounding. I finally began to comprehend the principles without having to be incumbered by the complexities of the language getting in the way.
Based on their logic, YouTube would be one of the first sites to be blocked, right? Right? Right? Right.
It's one thing to ignorantly bash Microsoft products, but it's another thing to bash them on a surprisingly useful feature. There are a few controversial features on Windows 7, but this one is not one of them. If you're so worried about what Microsoft can do to anonymously submitted public IP addresses, then please turn off your computer and take up the Amish culture. This is 2011. Chances are you have 5-6 tracking cookies being accessed by various web services on the internet. Get over it.
Who said it was a permanent place to store the data? There's no storage medium that will guarantee permanent storage of data. Everything ends or crumbles at some point. At least in the cloud, you get ample notification of impending shutdown before it happens.
Supporters of crap? Just because you have to pay for a product doesn't make the seller evil. The Windows line of products has improved over the years. It still dominates the desktop market, and for a good reason too. My entire university uses Windows 7 for a reason. Even the CS department which boasts h pretentious Linux zealots that rival /. still use Windows 7. Why? It's stable. Go ahead. Make some dumb stale joke about Windows XP or Vista. But as a Linux user for more than six years, I have had major headaches trying to edit confs or track down drivers or deal with arrogant individuals in IRC rooms and mailing lists. All my notions about Linux being stable and free and wholesome was turned up side down when [GASP] Windows 7 actually had 0 crashes compared to Linux. Sorry, but Windows still owns the desktop scene, and the way things are headed with Windows 7, it looks like they're going to be the frontrunners for long time to come. But A for effort for the insult.
All this uppity attitude is quite annoying. Linux distros in general have become more and more bloated while Windows operating systems have surprisingly have become a lot more stable; Even more stable than my openSuSE, Ubuntu, and Fedora distros that I use.
I'm sure the goons at RIAA/MPAA are smart enough to figure out there's no way in hell Limewire is going to cough up anything more than a few hundred thousand dollars at most. This is more of a "message" to all the would-be pirates that dare to download a song. They just keep coming up with new ways to shoot themselves in the foot these days...