Yeah, noticed that too. Also explaining away the latest MS fail. Eh. Astroturfing is accepted PR practice these days. Gotta give those interns *something* to do...
Or it could be a real public opinion change. Who knows anymore...
Depends on your fglrx version apparently. And for intel, your mesa version. I was getting crashes in the webgl test suite with my intel card until I updated the machine to Natty Narwhale. Mesa in that version is apparently fixed.
My fglrx works fine in Maverick with the test suite. Has never crashed. Use the environment variable MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1
You can add it to/etc/profiles.d or whatever your distro equivalent is if your results are good.
The reason the 64 bit machine (dropdown on lower left) is slower at kraken is I think crankshaft isn't 64 bit yet,
Anyway, if you look at the historical AWFY, Apple's engine has been pretty consistently on top on sunspider, the margins are pretty thin though due to the shortness of the tests, something both Firefox and Chrome complained about.
I haven't run kraken on the new crankshaft recently (where it appears it would kick ass) but I did run it a few months ago... http://m8y.org/tmp/kraken.xhtml
Don't worry. He's not getting 80MPG on the highway either.
On highway, a hybrid can manage more like 50MPG if you're careful with it and it is in good condition. More typically less if going 75+
My non-hybrid Civic can manage almost (but not quite) 40 on open highway at speeds of 75+
And you're now lugging around a bunch of battery not really providing much on the road trip in terms of benefit. Battery that offers worse and worse performance each year.
Eh. That's not how it works. Bacteria are quite different from us. We have a protective layer of dead skin, and all that connective if you had an open wound, not to mention fluids.
Bacteria are just on their own, lil' ol' soap bubbles themselves.
Yep, that was pretty much how it had been described to me. I just didn't want to put out "detergent emulsification of cell membrane lipids" as if it was a term I used all the time:)
Seemed like a good thing for people to google on though.
You know all those stories recently of growing organs? In many cases they just plop an organ into a detergent bath, let the cells be dissolved, then grow the new organ on the collagen scaffold.
Another example. You can use ordinary dish soap in DNA extraction.
Emulsification of cell membrane lipids appears to be the term.
Oh, and BTW, the reason AreWeFastYet.com does not test Opera is for the same reason I'm less attracted to that browser.
They are not open source, and have no standalone javascript engine for automated testing. I've just found them irritating to interact with in general though, even if they are closed source, they could stand to have a much less opaque bug reporting process.
In terms of openness of its development in my experience Mozilla Firefox easily leads the pack, followed by Webkit, Google Chromium, Apple Safari, Opera then Microsoft Internet Explorer.
As Asa noted: "Sunspider was designed before any of the browsers had these truly modern JS engines with just in time compilers and because of that and all the progress each browser vendor has made over the last several years Sunspider is no longer particularly useful as a JS benchmark. This is kind of obvious when you see that all of the top scores are pretty much tied. One one hundredth of a second (across 26 tests) separates the slow from the fast and that's just not particularly meaningful. "
The problem with Sunspider, and this isn't unique to Firefox, is the shortness of the benchmarks. This does penalise Firefox at bit more which pays up front in tracing a bit for gains on more complex code later. It also encourages optimising for the harness and not the test.
Kraken and v8bench are still good tests. Oh, and just to be clear, IE9pp6 does a darn good job.
Er. Why not use a mouth stick fitted with a capacitive tip? Given how those capacitive styluses are just a buck or two a piece, surely attaching one of those tips on her existing mouth stick would work.
It is more like automatic override of global settings with user specific ones. Bears some similarity to the HKCU hive, except from my understanding of things, not automatic.
Uh. More granular, yes, but also different. There were a couple of specific combinations they had issues with when mapping rwxrwxrwx to actual permissions.
Trying to find the mailing list entries now. Last time I ran into this with cygwin was around 8 years ago. Windows permissions presumably haven't changed too much since then though.
FWIW, according to the video, this isn't actually the movie. This is a historical piece of the time showing people going into the Hollywood premiere of the film.
I'm certainly no expert, but given plastics are long organic molecule chains, it does seem that if you wanted to adequately separate 'em you might likely have to break the whole thing down into simple molecules first.
Don't see why it would be analogous to something simpler like, oh, metals.
Let's say an audiophile has a few comparable sets of cables that are not made out of tin (are not cheap wine).
He does in fact have exceptional hearing (is an expert taster), but if in blind tests he is unable to repeatedly rank the cables, then the testing is meaningless.
In a similar fashion, I'm not claiming California wines are bad, I'm pointing out that perhaps wine testing is no better than audiophile testing for top quality wines.
That even if each wine has minor subjective differences, they aren't great enough to distinguish them in blind tests and certainly not great enough for a label of "better"
Hey, I didn't say California wines were worse. My attitude is even if there are subtle differences, if I personally am unable to tell what they are, it has no practical difference for me.
I was just noting that if among a group of good wines, the results are no better than a table of random numbers, than wine rankings (of good wines) are not, in fact, superior to audiophiles.
Obviously I have no stats, but my instincts are cities import far more consumables. Both food and clothing.
Whether that comes from other countries or rural areas of the same country does not change the fact that moving costs elsewhere is just hiding 'em.
Now obviously rural areas lack the economies of scale, but on the other hand, for many things, rural areas can be self-sustaining, too.
I lived in a rural area as a kid. We grew our own heating lumber, our own vegetables, our own eggs and milk. We visited the store once every month or so.
Indeed, the organizer of the competition, Steven Spurrier, said, "The results of a blind tasting cannot be predicted and will not even be reproduced the next day by the same panel tasting the same wines."[4] In one case it was reported that a "side-by-side chart of best-to-worst rankings of 18 wines by a roster of experienced tasters showed about as much consistency as a table of random numbers."[5][6]
Not much good in blind tests if there is no repeatability. Kinda like some tests of psychic powers out there, or homeopathy.
Slashdot Mirror
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/13/results-lab-experiment-regarding-co2-snow-in-antarctica-at-113%C2%B0f-80-5%C2%B0c-not-possible/
I googled a bit.
that language was written to be obfuscated. check out befunge.
visual and even multidimensional.
http://www.purplehatstands.com/bequnge/screenshots.php
And if you want compact, half of the languages on esolang.
Yeah, noticed that too. Also explaining away the latest MS fail.
Eh. Astroturfing is accepted PR practice these days.
Gotta give those interns *something* to do...
Or it could be a real public opinion change. Who knows anymore...
Depends on your fglrx version apparently.
And for intel, your mesa version.
I was getting crashes in the webgl test suite with my intel card until I updated the machine to Natty Narwhale.
Mesa in that version is apparently fixed.
My fglrx works fine in Maverick with the test suite. Has never crashed.
Use the environment variable MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1
You can add it to /etc/profiles.d or whatever your distro equivalent is if your results are good.
https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/sdk/tests/webgl-conformance-tests.html
Basically if you can run through this without crashes (including crashing on closing the tab or exiting the browser) you're probably fine.
Out of process plugins are also in FF3.6.
But, yes, FF4 is in general better behaved, resource-wise.
http://arewefastyet.com/ tracks the new chrome crankshaft.
The reason the 64 bit machine (dropdown on lower left) is slower at kraken is I think crankshaft isn't 64 bit yet,
Anyway, if you look at the historical AWFY, Apple's engine has been pretty consistently on top on sunspider, the margins are pretty thin though due to the shortness of the tests, something both Firefox and Chrome complained about.
I haven't run kraken on the new crankshaft recently (where it appears it would kick ass) but I did run it a few months ago...
http://m8y.org/tmp/kraken.xhtml
Don't worry. He's not getting 80MPG on the highway either.
On highway, a hybrid can manage more like 50MPG if you're careful with it and it is in good condition. More typically less if going 75+
My non-hybrid Civic can manage almost (but not quite) 40 on open highway at speeds of 75+
And you're now lugging around a bunch of battery not really providing much on the road trip in terms of benefit. Battery that offers worse and worse performance each year.
Eh. That's not how it works. Bacteria are quite different from us. We have a protective layer of dead skin, and all that connective if you had an open wound, not to mention fluids.
Bacteria are just on their own, lil' ol' soap bubbles themselves.
Yep, that was pretty much how it had been described to me. :)
I just didn't want to put out "detergent emulsification of cell membrane lipids" as if it was a term I used all the time
Seemed like a good thing for people to google on though.
Er. Detergents also destroy bacteria.
You know all those stories recently of growing organs? In many cases they just plop an organ into a detergent bath, let the cells be dissolved, then grow the new organ on the collagen scaffold.
Another example.
You can use ordinary dish soap in DNA extraction.
Emulsification of cell membrane lipids appears to be the term.
Oh, and BTW, the reason AreWeFastYet.com does not test Opera is for the same reason I'm less attracted to that browser.
They are not open source, and have no standalone javascript engine for automated testing. I've just found them irritating to interact with in general though, even if they are closed source, they could stand to have a much less opaque bug reporting process.
In terms of openness of its development in my experience Mozilla Firefox easily leads the pack, followed by Webkit, Google Chromium, Apple Safari, Opera then Microsoft Internet Explorer.
Rendering has no impact on scores, but...
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=601332#c13
Was basically intended to ensure prettier loading. But in rapid updates like this and their use of innerHTML (STUPID) it had this side effect.
No big deal, you can't say Opera is free of rendering issues, esp the alpha. :-p
Opera 11 alpha is also a slower than Opera 10.63 at other things, such as my Kraken test.
I'm sure it'll be awesome someday, but isn't even close to there yet.
So, yes, maybe they have managed to eke out a bit more speed out of Sunspider, but Sunspider is increasingly meaningless and most gains will be small.
Asa also ran Opera 11 FWIW and got slightly different figures.
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2010/10/some_sunspider_numbe.html
As Asa noted:
"Sunspider was designed before any of the browsers had these truly modern JS engines with just in time compilers and because of that and all the progress each browser vendor has made over the last several years Sunspider is no longer particularly useful as a JS benchmark. This is kind of obvious when you see that all of the top scores are pretty much tied. One one hundredth of a second (across 26 tests) separates the slow from the fast and that's just not particularly meaningful. "
That's an oooold image.
Try posting a more up to date one. Firefox is now the fastest at Sunspider on x86 and faster than Chrome on x64.
http://arewefastyet.com/
Then of course there is Kraken...
http://m8y.org/tmp/kraken.xhtml
The problem with Sunspider, and this isn't unique to Firefox, is the shortness of the benchmarks. This does penalise Firefox at bit more which pays up front in tracing a bit for gains on more complex code later. It also encourages optimising for the harness and not the test.
Kraken and v8bench are still good tests. Oh, and just to be clear, IE9pp6 does a darn good job.
Check out its performance on this checkers AI.
http://www.bailopan.net/blog/?p=822
Er. Why not use a mouth stick fitted with a capacitive tip? Given how those capacitive styluses are just a buck or two a piece, surely attaching one of those tips on her existing mouth stick would work.
Naw. I'm aware of those. We use 'em in our apps.
It is more like automatic override of global settings with user specific ones. Bears some similarity to the HKCU hive, except from my understanding of things, not automatic.
Found it. That took all of 20 seconds of googling. Let's see how long it takes slashdot to let me repost.
http://www.cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/ntsec.html#ntsec-mapping
Still kinda curious about local overrides to global settings though. Does windows have that concept?
Uh. More granular, yes, but also different. There were a couple of specific combinations they had issues with when mapping rwxrwxrwx to actual permissions.
Trying to find the mailing list entries now. Last time I ran into this with cygwin was around 8 years ago.
Windows permissions presumably haven't changed too much since then though.
I was just correcting the speculation about "desire to appear in a movie"
Maybe it was "desire to go to the hollywood premiere of one of the world's early movies"
Whatever, was just noting it wasn't a staged set.
FWIW, according to the video, this isn't actually the movie.
This is a historical piece of the time showing people going into the Hollywood premiere of the film.
I'm certainly no expert, but given plastics are long organic molecule chains, it does seem that if you wanted to adequately separate 'em you might likely have to break the whole thing down into simple molecules first.
Don't see why it would be analogous to something simpler like, oh, metals.
So you were.
Ok. Here's my point.
Let's say an audiophile has a few comparable sets of cables that are not made out of tin (are not cheap wine).
He does in fact have exceptional hearing (is an expert taster), but if in blind tests he is unable to repeatedly rank the cables, then the testing is meaningless.
In a similar fashion, I'm not claiming California wines are bad, I'm pointing out that perhaps wine testing is no better than audiophile testing for top quality wines.
That even if each wine has minor subjective differences, they aren't great enough to distinguish them in blind tests and certainly not great enough for a label of "better"
Hey, I didn't say California wines were worse. My attitude is even if there are subtle differences, if I personally am unable to tell what they are, it has no practical difference for me.
I was just noting that if among a group of good wines, the results are no better than a table of random numbers, than wine rankings (of good wines) are not, in fact, superior to audiophiles.
Which was point of the parent :)
Obviously I have no stats, but my instincts are cities import far more consumables.
Both food and clothing.
Whether that comes from other countries or rural areas of the same country does not change the fact that moving costs elsewhere is just hiding 'em.
Now obviously rural areas lack the economies of scale, but on the other hand, for many things, rural areas can be self-sustaining, too.
I lived in a rural area as a kid. We grew our own heating lumber, our own vegetables, our own eggs and milk. We visited the store once every month or so.
From the wikipedia article you just linked to...
Indeed, the organizer of the competition, Steven Spurrier, said, "The results of a blind tasting cannot be predicted and will not even be reproduced the next day by the same panel tasting the same wines."[4] In one case it was reported that a "side-by-side chart of best-to-worst rankings of 18 wines by a roster of experienced tasters showed about as much consistency as a table of random numbers."[5][6]
Not much good in blind tests if there is no repeatability.
Kinda like some tests of psychic powers out there, or homeopathy.