BAH! It wasn't a troll, fewls. RKO is mentioned frequently in the Rocky Horror Picture Show, and the lines in the above "Troll" are audience participation lines. Sigh...
The screenplay is based on the original story by Merian C Cooper and Edgar Wallace, which became the classic 1933 RKO Radio Pictures film, directed by Cooper and Ernest B Schoesdack.
FUCK RKO!!!
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I come here every fucking week, but I still don't know what a "Radio Picture" is!!!
read the middle paragraph, here it is in *ENGLISH*
The people who built the first Motif Font architecture didn't know squat about what they where doing, even measured on a pixelfont level. They might as well... have stuck... to the console. We'd be better off today without it! The whole current setup that just barely manages, made up of a bazzilion tidbits from xft ftx sftsxftftxsxstfts bitstreams ftfi (praise them!!!), Motif *shatonscreen* pixelfonts, KDEs fontrendering (finally from engineers with more than just a spinal column to think with - hooray!) and whatnot is so utterly bizzare it makes MS fdisk look like the reference in usability and software design.
Slightly on another topic -- you could be really rude in something like this and intermix different pieces and parts that are GPL and are not GPL (at the package level) to make it virtually impossible to figure out how to redistribute only the GPL parts. In fact, you could even group the packages so each package has both GPL and non-GPL pieces, so you couldn't break it up by packages and distribute some of them.
I am running Gentoo and I first installed the gentoo-optimized 2.4.20 kernel. When I read the article yesterday I decided to make the jump to 2.5.64 + patch. Holy wow, Batman.
I'm running Gentoo under VMware on a dual 2.2 GHz Xeon (only 1 processor makes it through to the virtual machine, though). After figuring out that I needed new modutils, I had everything up and running. I started up a kernel compile with make -j 2 to really try and saturate the system, and moved the mouse around. The mouse was silky smooth, KDE quickly and properly recognized mouse-overs and everything was just so nice. I then booted back to 2.4.20 and ran the same test. Oh the pain! The mouse was chunky, KDE didn't even try and do mouseover animations.. it was horrible. I've switched grub to default to the 2.5 kernel and I'm not going back.
That said, this is a play machine and does nothing important. So if it crashes more often (no crashes yet), then it doesn't really bother me..
This is an OPEN-SOURCE CONFERENCE. Why would you invite Microsoft to an OPEN-SOURCE CONFERENCE? They're obviously not interested in anything other than trying to convert people and steal business.
That's like if I was on the high-school chess team and I threw a party and was told that I had to invite the football team, who would try and beat me up, and steal any chess girls that might (I can dream) show up.
It's a private conference, and it inviting Microsoft is (-1) Offtopic.
Long response: You're still dumb, but here's why. First, making the source available for download does NOT cover the source redistribution part of the GPL, so the whole "not having an FTP server" doesn't matter. You have no responsibility to make copies of GPL software available to others for free or for cost. See the first question on the GPL quiz for more details on this.
Second, he can charge whatever he wants for sending you a copy of the program. $0, $1, $100, or $1,000. As long as he makes the source available with it, or at the cost of redistribution, everything is fine.
I really really REALLY wish people wouldn't randomly throw RMS bashes into other good articles. "Oooh, it's a GPL-related article, let's bash RMS." I'm not a huge fan of RMS, and I still call it "Linux", but I hate it when people just go off on the guy. I hate it even more that I have to go and write a response to something this stupid and waste my time. How this got modded up to 4 (oh.. it's 5 now), I don't know..
Another guy responded to this and was correct, but didn't really explain why..
The idea is that if you had done this work for someone else and been paid N dollars, and then donated those N dollars to your charity, then you'd be net-0.. so if you just do the work for the group, you pretend like they paid you N dollars and you donated it back -- leaving you net-0 and with no additional tax deduction.
Why not charge people by their usage + some basic overhead.
It would be tough for anyone to complain if they were charged $20/mo plus a dollar a gigabyte downloaded (or whatever is the bandwidth cost for your provider plus some fair markup).
I understand how the broadband companies don't want to raise prices on 90% of the users for the extra cost that 10% of their users incur.
So charge by use. I don't think anyone would argue "No, I shouldn't have to pay more just because I use more." There may be a few people out there that think bandwidth is free and unlimited, but.. well they're dumb.
Imagine paying $40/mo for gas. No matter how much you use. If you drive 4000 miles a month or 40. It doesn't make much sense does it? Bandwidth has cost per gigabyte just like gas has cost per gallon. It's not like 'pirating' software, where there's no additional cost incurred. When you use bandwidth, you are causing a cost to your ISP. You should be responsible for that.
That said, they shouldn't be bothering me with WHAT I do with the bandwidth I pay for.. that stuff bugs the crap out of me..
BTW, the F22 can already supercruise, as it's been out for a while now.
Looks like it can supercruise at mach 1.5. While it tops out around 1.8, that doesn't really matter. Top speed in fighters is virtually worthless because of the amount of gas you're going through. The ability to sustain mach 1.5 over long distances is VERY impressive. linkage
I agree with the original poster about how these technologies will help build better space vehicles of tomorrow, while providing immediate benefits to us now.
I'd like to point out that we're in a situation where we can spend $20 billion on space exploration BECAUSE we've spent so much money on defense. I'm not saying it's ALL necessary, or that the current use of it is good, but I would like people to remember that living in a world where your biggest concern is that optimal choice in the latest/. poll isn't an option (I drink my coffee black, you insensitive clod!) because we've been diligent in defending it.
I've got a friend of mine -- who should really be commenting on this stuff himself, but seems to have fallen from the face of the planet -- who is (was?) highly involved in some Gnome development.
He was always talking about how SUN funded all these usability studies on Gnome and basically neudered it. They basically LCD'd (lowest common denominator, not liquid crystal display) the whole environment. This is part of the reason that KDE looks like crap under RedHat -- since all the cool stuff was taken out of Gnome, and RedHat wanted Gnome and KDE to look very similar, guess what happened to all the KDE features... *poof* gone.
It really seems like KDE is doing the right thing.. and this is painful for me to say, being a big RedHat fan (while it's unrelated, I work right down the street from them), but I really feel like they're stuck in a common big-business problem of "Well, we dumped all this money into it, so we can't stop using it or we'll look really dumb."
I agree on unifying the desktop.. but man, RedHat did a job on KDE.
I still can't speak the word "Saturn" (hahahahahahahahaha) and keep a straight face.
I had a friend who plunked down 400 college-dollars (those of you who have been poor college students and then gotten good-paying jobs understand the difference here) for one of these things and ended up buying only a few games, and even those were pretty much junk. The PlayStation was such a better system.
Okay.. now someone reply to this and give me some sob story about how the Saturn was supposed to be a 2D system that was hacked at the last second to try and do some 3D..
Errr.. not better memory bandwidth management, but just *more* memory bandwidth. The ATI boards have a 256-bit path to memory, the nVidia boards, only 128-bit.
Not quite sure what those nVidia boys were thinking.. but it's not panning out. They've got 1GHz memory (after DDR).. and it still can't touch the much slower ATI bandwidth..
Hehe.. I should check hotjobs.com and see if there's any computer engineers looking for jobs that have their last listed job as nVidia...:)
on getting 15 FPS at 1280x1024 with all options turned on with a gf2.
*MAYBE* in an empty room with very few shadows and no combat..
On my 9700 Pro running on a 2.4 GHz Xeon, at that resolution, I normally got ~40-45 fps, but when anything happened, it dipped under 10. Sometimes in the 1-2 fps range -- when I was shooting, and being attacked.
No way in hell any gf2 is going to push 15 fps when anything is going on. It'd be a freaking slideshow slower than the powerpoint presentation at the meeting I just got out of.
Excuse me, but you should probably do your homework.
The original poster didn't claim that Lindows wasn't distributing source, only that people should look in to it. The idea is valid, as Lindows was known to previously break the GPL by not making source available. They claimed it was only for their "beta" period, but the GPL doesn't allow this in any form.
You, on the other hand, are making something up completely out of the blue. Even if he was stealing gasoline, this has no relevance to the point the oringal poster was trying to make. Lindows not distributing source code, on the other hand, is directly related to Lindows not being a team player, which is the point of the article the comment was made on.
Saying people are making logical falicies by making a logical falicy is rather hypocritical, in my mind -- and just bad form, too.
I've always wondered why, in today's world of gigabytes of memory in personal computers, why such a big deal is made about virtual memory..
I'm not trying to troll, and maybe someone can explain this to me, but as far as I know, VM is used when a computer runs out of RAM. You take some of what's in the RAM and toss it on to the hard drive. When you need it again, you reload it back into RAM and use it.
I've got 1.5GB of RAM in the box I'm typing this on, and the only reason I don't have more is that I have no use for it.
At my work, we've got some systems that can eat up 2GB of RAM, but we just put 4GB in the box and don't worry about it. We've found that if we let anything touch VM it slows things down way too much.
Anyways, I was hoping someone could enlighten me as to why VM has been such a big deal recently.
Now that I've RTFM, let me correct my previous comment -- The Altix3000 runs a single Linux image over up to 64 processors and 512 GB RAM. After that, it's NUMA.
It can, however, do high-speed shared memory over all nodes in the cluster, allowing you to store HUGE shared data sets. Here's a link to the info on the memory.
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Yeah, you're wrong. This isn't a beowulf, it's a multiprocessor box. It runs standard software. That means you don't have to re-write everything to support clustered solutions.
Lots of people don't understand that a 1024-processor beowulf won't run battlefield 1942 (if you've ever played it, you understand what I'm talking about), because it's not like a 2-processor workstation box. You have to write your software so that discrete pieces can be offloaded to other nodes and have the results posted back. A beowulf cluster is similar to SETI@Home or whatever distributed computing project you like. Though the interconnects are faster, the general idea behind how the software works is similar.
With this SGI system, it's like a 2-processor workstation on steroids. You can run standard multi-threaded code on it and actually use 1024 processors (and could possibly run battlefield 1942).
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Ahh, but he said savings. Which means that that.. uhh.. wait. Err, but the savings have to take into account the price of the software, too..
.09 hours = ~$444/hr. I think.
so it's 2 hours - (.33 hours + $40) = 1.75 hours. Err, that means he's PAYING to do this at a rate of $40 every
I wouldn't really call that savings, though.
I think maybe he was ACTUALLY trying to say that 2 hours - $40 = 1.75 hours = $160/hr. Maybe.
It's tough to tell WTF he really meant.
Haha. Like the Never Winter Nights Linux client will ever come out.
What's next? How to install Duke Nukem Forever on Linux?
BAH! It wasn't a troll, fewls. RKO is mentioned frequently in the Rocky Horror Picture Show, and the lines in the above "Troll" are audience participation lines. Sigh...
The screenplay is based on the original story by Merian C Cooper and Edgar Wallace, which became the classic 1933 RKO Radio Pictures film, directed by Cooper and Ernest B Schoesdack.
FUCK RKO!!!
-or-
I come here every fucking week, but I still don't know what a "Radio Picture" is!!!
Duke Nukem Forever has gone gold.
Daikatana 2 is on its way.
Microsoft releases security patches for security patches found during internal security testing.
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Is it just me or were the April 1 jokes better in previous years...
read the middle paragraph, here it is in *ENGLISH*
... have stuck... to the console. We'd be better off today without it!
The people who built the first Motif Font architecture didn't know squat about what they where doing, even measured on a pixelfont level. They might as well
The whole current setup that just barely manages, made up of a bazzilion tidbits from xft ftx sftsxftftxsxstfts bitstreams ftfi (praise them!!!), Motif *shatonscreen* pixelfonts, KDEs fontrendering (finally from engineers with more than just a spinal column to think with - hooray!) and whatnot is so utterly bizzare it makes MS fdisk look like the reference in usability and software design.
Ahh, but I was rounding per this spec:
:)
http://www.vendian.org/envelope/dir0/oom.html
Which basically says you round (decimal) orders of magnitude at 3. 256 is order 100, 365 is order 1000.
Or.. maybe I was referring to an octal order of magnitude
Yes, as the original poster said, it's 8.6 giga-BITS per second. Little 'b' means bits, big 'B' means bytes.
Saying 8.6GB is off by an order of magnitude.
Sigh..
1) How do I copy and paste again?
You can't. You're running Gnome
2) How do I open this email attachment?
You don't. Jesus christ, how many times do I have to tell you: Don't open email attachments.
3) How do I install this new program?
Did you download it off the Internet? Yes? Right click it and select "delete".
4) What did your nephew do to my computer?
I am the only one in your world who knows how to use a computer. Do *NOT* let other people touch it.
5) Dad bought a new (?), how do I install it?
Hold on, I'm on my way over.
I'm just a little fuzzy on what's being paid for.
Support.
Slightly on another topic -- you could be really rude in something like this and intermix different pieces and parts that are GPL and are not GPL (at the package level) to make it virtually impossible to figure out how to redistribute only the GPL parts. In fact, you could even group the packages so each package has both GPL and non-GPL pieces, so you couldn't break it up by packages and distribute some of them.
That would be really rude.
I just upgraded to 2.5.64 with Linus's patch ( mentioned yesterday) merged in.
I am running Gentoo and I first installed the gentoo-optimized 2.4.20 kernel. When I read the article yesterday I decided to make the jump to 2.5.64 + patch. Holy wow, Batman.
I'm running Gentoo under VMware on a dual 2.2 GHz Xeon (only 1 processor makes it through to the virtual machine, though). After figuring out that I needed new modutils, I had everything up and running. I started up a kernel compile with make -j 2 to really try and saturate the system, and moved the mouse around. The mouse was silky smooth, KDE quickly and properly recognized mouse-overs and everything was just so nice. I then booted back to 2.4.20 and ran the same test. Oh the pain! The mouse was chunky, KDE didn't even try and do mouseover animations.. it was horrible. I've switched grub to default to the 2.5 kernel and I'm not going back.
That said, this is a play machine and does nothing important. So if it crashes more often (no crashes yet), then it doesn't really bother me..
This is an OPEN-SOURCE CONFERENCE. Why would you invite Microsoft to an OPEN-SOURCE CONFERENCE? They're obviously not interested in anything other than trying to convert people and steal business.
That's like if I was on the high-school chess team and I threw a party and was told that I had to invite the football team, who would try and beat me up, and steal any chess girls that might (I can dream) show up.
It's a private conference, and it inviting Microsoft is (-1) Offtopic.
Short response: D.U.M.B. A.S.S.
Long response: You're still dumb, but here's why. First, making the source available for download does NOT cover the source redistribution part of the GPL, so the whole "not having an FTP server" doesn't matter. You have no responsibility to make copies of GPL software available to others for free or for cost. See the first question on the GPL quiz for more details on this.
Second, he can charge whatever he wants for sending you a copy of the program. $0, $1, $100, or $1,000. As long as he makes the source available with it, or at the cost of redistribution, everything is fine.
I really really REALLY wish people wouldn't randomly throw RMS bashes into other good articles. "Oooh, it's a GPL-related article, let's bash RMS." I'm not a huge fan of RMS, and I still call it "Linux", but I hate it when people just go off on the guy. I hate it even more that I have to go and write a response to something this stupid and waste my time. How this got modded up to 4 (oh.. it's 5 now), I don't know..
Bah!
Another guy responded to this and was correct, but didn't really explain why..
The idea is that if you had done this work for someone else and been paid N dollars, and then donated those N dollars to your charity, then you'd be net-0.. so if you just do the work for the group, you pretend like they paid you N dollars and you donated it back -- leaving you net-0 and with no additional tax deduction.
Why not charge people by their usage + some basic overhead.
It would be tough for anyone to complain if they were charged $20/mo plus a dollar a gigabyte downloaded (or whatever is the bandwidth cost for your provider plus some fair markup).
I understand how the broadband companies don't want to raise prices on 90% of the users for the extra cost that 10% of their users incur.
So charge by use. I don't think anyone would argue "No, I shouldn't have to pay more just because I use more." There may be a few people out there that think bandwidth is free and unlimited, but.. well they're dumb.
Imagine paying $40/mo for gas. No matter how much you use. If you drive 4000 miles a month or 40. It doesn't make much sense does it? Bandwidth has cost per gigabyte just like gas has cost per gallon. It's not like 'pirating' software, where there's no additional cost incurred. When you use bandwidth, you are causing a cost to your ISP. You should be responsible for that.
That said, they shouldn't be bothering me with WHAT I do with the bandwidth I pay for.. that stuff bugs the crap out of me..
BTW, the F22 can already supercruise, as it's been out for a while now.
/. poll isn't an option (I drink my coffee black, you insensitive clod!) because we've been diligent in defending it.
Looks like it can supercruise at mach 1.5. While it tops out around 1.8, that doesn't really matter. Top speed in fighters is virtually worthless because of the amount of gas you're going through. The ability to sustain mach 1.5 over long distances is VERY impressive. linkage
I agree with the original poster about how these technologies will help build better space vehicles of tomorrow, while providing immediate benefits to us now.
I'd like to point out that we're in a situation where we can spend $20 billion on space exploration BECAUSE we've spent so much money on defense. I'm not saying it's ALL necessary, or that the current use of it is good, but I would like people to remember that living in a world where your biggest concern is that optimal choice in the latest
I've got a friend of mine -- who should really be commenting on this stuff himself, but seems to have fallen from the face of the planet -- who is (was?) highly involved in some Gnome development.
He was always talking about how SUN funded all these usability studies on Gnome and basically neudered it. They basically LCD'd (lowest common denominator, not liquid crystal display) the whole environment. This is part of the reason that KDE looks like crap under RedHat -- since all the cool stuff was taken out of Gnome, and RedHat wanted Gnome and KDE to look very similar, guess what happened to all the KDE features... *poof* gone.
It really seems like KDE is doing the right thing.. and this is painful for me to say, being a big RedHat fan (while it's unrelated, I work right down the street from them), but I really feel like they're stuck in a common big-business problem of "Well, we dumped all this money into it, so we can't stop using it or we'll look really dumb."
I agree on unifying the desktop.. but man, RedHat did a job on KDE.
I still can't speak the word "Saturn" (hahahahahahahahaha) and keep a straight face.
I had a friend who plunked down 400 college-dollars (those of you who have been poor college students and then gotten good-paying jobs understand the difference here) for one of these things and ended up buying only a few games, and even those were pretty much junk. The PlayStation was such a better system.
Okay.. now someone reply to this and give me some sob story about how the Saturn was supposed to be a 2D system that was hacked at the last second to try and do some 3D..
Meanwhile, I'll be laughing..
Errr.. not better memory bandwidth management, but just *more* memory bandwidth. The ATI boards have a 256-bit path to memory, the nVidia boards, only 128-bit.
:)
Not quite sure what those nVidia boys were thinking.. but it's not panning out. They've got 1GHz memory (after DDR).. and it still can't touch the much slower ATI bandwidth..
Hehe.. I should check hotjobs.com and see if there's any computer engineers looking for jobs that have their last listed job as nVidia...
on getting 15 FPS at 1280x1024 with all options turned on with a gf2.
*MAYBE* in an empty room with very few shadows and no combat..
On my 9700 Pro running on a 2.4 GHz Xeon, at that resolution, I normally got ~40-45 fps, but when anything happened, it dipped under 10. Sometimes in the 1-2 fps range -- when I was shooting, and being attacked.
No way in hell any gf2 is going to push 15 fps when anything is going on. It'd be a freaking slideshow slower than the powerpoint presentation at the meeting I just got out of.
Good luck contestants...
Excuse me, but you should probably do your homework.
The original poster didn't claim that Lindows wasn't distributing source, only that people should look in to it. The idea is valid, as Lindows was known to previously break the GPL by not making source available. They claimed it was only for their "beta" period, but the GPL doesn't allow this in any form.
You, on the other hand, are making something up completely out of the blue. Even if he was stealing gasoline, this has no relevance to the point the oringal poster was trying to make. Lindows not distributing source code, on the other hand, is directly related to Lindows not being a team player, which is the point of the article the comment was made on.
Saying people are making logical falicies by making a logical falicy is rather hypocritical, in my mind -- and just bad form, too.
I've always wondered why, in today's world of gigabytes of memory in personal computers, why such a big deal is made about virtual memory..
I'm not trying to troll, and maybe someone can explain this to me, but as far as I know, VM is used when a computer runs out of RAM. You take some of what's in the RAM and toss it on to the hard drive. When you need it again, you reload it back into RAM and use it.
I've got 1.5GB of RAM in the box I'm typing this on, and the only reason I don't have more is that I have no use for it.
At my work, we've got some systems that can eat up 2GB of RAM, but we just put 4GB in the box and don't worry about it. We've found that if we let anything touch VM it slows things down way too much.
Anyways, I was hoping someone could enlighten me as to why VM has been such a big deal recently.
Now that I've RTFM, let me correct my previous comment -- The Altix3000 runs a single Linux image over up to 64 processors and 512 GB RAM. After that, it's NUMA.
It can, however, do high-speed shared memory over all nodes in the cluster, allowing you to store HUGE shared data sets. Here's a link to the info on the memory.
Yeah, you're wrong. This isn't a beowulf, it's a multiprocessor box. It runs standard software. That means you don't have to re-write everything to support clustered solutions.
Lots of people don't understand that a 1024-processor beowulf won't run battlefield 1942 (if you've ever played it, you understand what I'm talking about), because it's not like a 2-processor workstation box. You have to write your software so that discrete pieces can be offloaded to other nodes and have the results posted back. A beowulf cluster is similar to SETI@Home or whatever distributed computing project you like. Though the interconnects are faster, the general idea behind how the software works is similar.
With this SGI system, it's like a 2-processor workstation on steroids. You can run standard multi-threaded code on it and actually use 1024 processors (and could possibly run battlefield 1942).