I a not sure you are doing an attack on larouche, but here is a fragment of a wikipedia article.
There were reports in November 1984 that LaRouche and his aides had been meeting with officials of the Reagan Administration, including several meetings and phone calls with Norman Bailey, then senior director of international economic affairs for the National Security Council (NSC), and with Richard Morris, special assistant to William P. Clark, Jr.[85] There were also reported contacts with the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and the CIA.[86] The LaRouche campaign said the report was full of errors.[85] According to Bailey, the contacts were broken off when they became public. Bailey praised LaRouche's staff that year as "one of the best private intelligence services in the world," though he said he disagreed with the movement's ideas and tactics.[87][88] Three years later, LaRouche blamed his criminal indictment on the NSC because he had been in conflict with Oliver North over LaRouche's opposition to the Nicaraguan Contras.[89] According to a LaRouche-sponsored publication, court-ordered search of North's files produced a May 1986 telex from Iran-Contra defendant General Richard Secord, discussing the gathering of information to be used against LaRouche.[90][91]
Note the "best private intelligence service in the world" quote. So it is not clear to me that you really want to treat this source as just another political pac.
I am not precisely clear on the meaning of "credible", but if you try "trust", and include about everything, I figure you have a first-approximation start on a little sense. For example, do you really trust network news? but i do not know anything.
Oh, I think humor is a good label here. Given the medium, it seems appropriate to label something humor that might get a chuckle and might be true, when you do not feel you are dealing with a central point.
the rnc is too easy. but nancy.. gosh she has a whip. a lot of people are getting enslaved. she really likes to give orders. and punish. and who would really complain if the congress critters had to wear chastity belts? do you think she does sort of frilly or likes leather? does she have a good whip hand? inquiring minds want to know! video at 7.
I suppose that some places I post do not do urls and so I tend to cut and paste unless it is video. While me "making up" this much seems unlikely, I do not really know where all you visit. On the other hand, I expect this googles easily and the web site is there in what I put in as my "home" web site. Not mine, but still.
The best defense of Bush I ever saw was something like: Obama has done more damage to the country in one year than Bush managed in eight years. some dem congress type i think
I am the sort that has been on county dem exec committees. but who can really find much good to say about either party.
Humor: the rnc is into bondage, nancy and her dems are in some sort of dominatrix matrix. I am not very sophisticated that way, so I am a little vague on the difference.
perhaps you might consider what it is to be human. various answers, but for an empire human==hodcarrier or maybe human cattle, more traditionally.
there is a deadly conflict between this view and in this case, explorer of the universe, developer of new tech that enhances man's control of nature, and so. and of course, the associated sense of cultural optimism is really dangerous.
what i say above is important, but a bit superficial. but i think you can at least sort of process it.
and it is a little interesting that kisha rodgers, 22nd cd, texas, won the dem primary in a three way race with over 50% of the vote. her two main slogans were impeach obama and save nasa and you can bet she made the same sort of argument as the video
Apollo Astronauts: Obama Space Plan Will Put the U.S. "on a long downhill slide to mediocrity"
April 14, 2010 (LPAC)—In an open letter, obtained by long-time space reporter Jay Barbree, and first reported on the NBC Nightly News Tuesday evening, three of the Apollo astronauts who embody the dedication, no-nonesense attitude, and commitment that brought this nation to the Moon, attacked President Obama's proposal to kill NASA's Constellation program. Neil Armstrong, Commander of Apollo 11, which landed the first astronauts on the Moon; James Lovell, the Commander of the near-fatal Apollo 13 mission (NASA's "finest hour"); and Gene Cernan, Commander of Apollo 17, and the last man to set foot upon the Moon, described the cancellation as "devastating."
Reprising the history of the American space program, the three former astronauts state: "World leadership in space was not achieved easily. In the first half-century of the space age, our country made a significant financial investment, thousands of Americans dedicated themselves to the effort, and some gave their lives to achieve the dream of a nation." No program in modern history, they state, "has been so effective in motivating the young to do 'what has never been done before.'"
Nor was the development and design of the Constellation program haphazard or ill-conceived, they state. "The Ares rocket family was patterned after the [Wernher] von Braun Modular concept so essential to the success of the Saturn 1B and the Saturn V" rockets, which took them to the Moon. Although we will have "wasted our current $10-plus billion investment in Constellation," equally important, "we will have lost the many years required to recreate the equivalent of what we will have destroyed." This, for a second time, following the cancellation of the follow-on missions to Apollo, to live on the Moon.
The timing of this letter is no accident. On Thursday, President Obama makes a whirlwind stop in Florida, at the Kennedy Space Center, to try to sell this destruction of manned space flight. Three days ago, more than 4,000 people rallied nearby in protest, to tell the President what they think of his plan. There has been virtually NO support anywhere for this "outsourcing" of NASA. Out of 435 Representatives and 100 Senators, ONE has backed the President. And he will see, again, the outrage of the American people.
well, on the bank loans, God was involved. How other than as God to treat the "invisible hand". and if not for things like the repeal of glass-steagall, the banks would have been better behaved. Hah, there is a very current data set on this. orszag denied that fannie mae could possibly default! this default threat cost us 1.74 trillion dollars. as far as capitalism is concerned, get a little sense and figure industrial capitalism can be your friend, but financial capitalism is always the world's enemy.
I suspect the title is nuts, and I did rtfa. I hear the way things are set up in the usa, it is impossible to get medical lab work done without kind of a doctor's scrip. I give this some credence by reflecting on attempts to commercialize easily available HIV tests, as for instance, in taverns. On the other hand, there are home preggo testing kits. maybe someone can sort this out?
not quite a complete analysis. looks like the japanese went through the vatican, but the us did not want this particular avenue because of domestic politics
so i googled japan surrender negotiations and the first item included this
* The key points of the Potsdam demands and the Allied final acceptance: The Potsdam proclamation was silent on the Emperor. The agreement stated that the authority of the Emperor and the Japanese Government shall be subordinate to the Allied Supreme Commander.
* Territory will be occupied until proof that war making power is destroyed.
* Japan was limited to the four home islands and such minor islands as we determine. The Yalta agreement handed the Kuril islands to the Soviet union for entering the war against Japan.
* Japanese military forces shall be disarmed and returned to peaceful and productive lives.
* Stern justice to war criminals ; human rights shall be established.
* Permission for industry and world trade, but not to re-arm.
* Allies to withdraw when objectives are accomplished and a freely expressed, peacefully inclined government is in place.
* Unconditional surrender or prompt and utter destruction.
it seems to me there is more to understand then your silly jibe indicates
now lets go further
I believe this url was the second inthe search results
pretty good first hand account about usa responses to japanese efforts to negotiate
how should you look at this. FDR had big plans and was doing well on implementing them. One very upfront plan was to destroy the british empire. good idea and we should now finally do it. but truman was a creepy brit symp and spend his time undoing fdr policies and soon planning pre-emptive nuclear war against the soviets, pushed by the brits. I figure the timing on all this fits to make the nuclear attack on japan part of the larger scheme.
I hear that the japanese were very actively negotiating terms when they got nuked. and the terms were pretty close to what actually happened. Looking at truman, and what the brit ops (Russell, Huxley?) were saying just a little later about pre-emptive nuclear war with the USSR, I figure one component of the hit was demo to the USSR.
There is some recent analysis that trace the roots of the pacific war to teddy roosevelt and, again, you can figure the brits. their favorite idea is lets him and you fight.
public health is a very traditional general welfare issue. the public health people can do very intrusive things to you, up to jail, when it seems merited. I seem to recall a somewhat recent typhoid mary who would not mind. I think she ended up in jail.
of course, you might talk to your county public health people about the state of their current and projected funding. Better hurry, they might not be answering the phones much longer.
ideology does not mix well with many things and mixing with science seems particularly counterproductive. but i do not expect to see ideology fully avoided. It would be good to make the hidden assumptions clear though. We might find that say Darkin and the IDers have some assumptions in common:-)
come on, grow a beard, this is pretty much a genome thing and lots of non-human entities have facial hair, usually a lot of hair all over. you would hardly bother to classify this phenomena as generated by individual intelligence, individual brains, or individual creativity. are you actually trying for a honest meaniful remark or are you just playing ideology games.
I can not speak exactly for why there is a claim that astrophysics guys seem to like to claim pulsars are the best time keepers. elsewhere I talked about ideology. keeping it simple, if you think physics is finite, you could easily not like the idea of truly new man made configurations of matter exhibiting phenomena that could be considered new in the universe.
on prime numbers, I recall reading sort of a jesuit journal on math around the golden mean and so on, and while I am easily correctable, I seem to recall a connection to prime numbers and we are there trying to deal with natural phenomena. on the other hand, everything is connected to everything from my point of view.
so let us suppose you are knowledgable. then let us frame this as similar to an ideological motivation, really deeper, but we are not really dealing very often with an actually conscious bias. so since you are knowledgeable, I do not have to bring up unfortunate examples in science of ideological influence. even with good data, the ones that immeadiately come to mind take 50-80 years to deal with. and a little more broadly, it is useful to think of creationism as an ideology. and still more broadly you might think about most viewpoints that say that money has intrinsic value.
I do not exactly criticize your position, but other people have different values. the unitarians have a principle about respecting the human worth and dignity of every person. Now I really doubt that includes enabling the stuff you talk about. and there is the idea of unredemmabilty, which is not christian, but which I would be tempted to apply to henry kissinger. and lastly you might chose to think it is good to sort of honor human form, as a rule. that avoids some euthanasia and eugenics crap, which you could easily end up supporting and I do not recommend.
so I can say sort of interesting things, but you seem to have just done a lot of outrage. I am not sure you should go straight from outrage to an inclination toward lethality
so i do not know if online gambling is victimless. but let us assume there is harm. In the state of washington, the state was doing advertising campaigns around the slogan "playing is good"
more generally, if you think the phrase "casino economy" has significant meaning, I expect you do not want the state supporting actual casinos.
Washington lottery structure is for a 50% payout, assuming the tickets were claimed. It is I think tricky to say playing the lottery makes sense for the individual player. and if you use a competent definition of wealth, it does not generate wealth
I have heard that the people who created the current gaming industry got their spurs doing sims for the military. and a big issue for the us military has traditionally been getting the grunts to fire their weapons at real people. and here i think back to my bayonet training.
ah well. i googled a bit. perhaps not even that, for instance
The cosmic microwave background (CMB) temperature maps from the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) are of great importance for cosmology. After finding out significant systematics in official WMAP maps, we had developed our own map-making software independently of the WMAP team. The new maps produced from the WMAP raw data and our software are notably different to the official ones, and the power spectrum as well as the best-fit cosmological parameters are significantly different too. By revealing the inconsistency between the WMAP raw data and their official map, we pointed out that there must exist an unexpected problem in the WMAP map-making routine. Here we state that the trouble comes from the inaccuracy of antenna pointing direction caused by improper offset of the quaternion interpolation in the WMAP routine. The CMB quadrupole in the WMAP release can be generated from a differential dipole field which is completely determined by the spacecraft velocity and the antenna directions without using any CMB signal. After correcting the WMAP team's error, the CMB quadrupole component disappears. Therefore, the released WMAP CMB quadrupole is almost completely artificial and the real quadrupole of the CMB anisotropy should be near zero. Our finding is important for understanding the early universe.
and I suppose if all the cmb theory starts with a big bang, you might end up finte.
but i do not exactly treat the finiteness issue as emperical. given what i know about the origin of the quote, would a kantian have created general relativity?
but for fun, if not finite, then infinite, and so we are having this identical conversation an infinite number of times, in fact, right now, if now means anything in this context and using the usual stuff
on the other hand, I wonder if an infinite universe suffers from the same sort of problem as included singularities
if i thought i could build an ai, I would start by giving a computer system control of the world's physical production. I would observe say electricity getting short and then see if the computer system build a fusion reactor. the ai is not going to be skynet
Slashdot Mirror
hah
I a not sure you are doing an attack on larouche, but here is a fragment of a wikipedia article.
There were reports in November 1984 that LaRouche and his aides had been meeting with officials of the Reagan Administration, including several meetings and phone calls with Norman Bailey, then senior director of international economic affairs for the National Security Council (NSC), and with Richard Morris, special assistant to William P. Clark, Jr.[85] There were also reported contacts with the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and the CIA.[86] The LaRouche campaign said the report was full of errors.[85] According to Bailey, the contacts were broken off when they became public. Bailey praised LaRouche's staff that year as "one of the best private intelligence services in the world," though he said he disagreed with the movement's ideas and tactics.[87][88] Three years later, LaRouche blamed his criminal indictment on the NSC because he had been in conflict with Oliver North over LaRouche's opposition to the Nicaraguan Contras.[89] According to a LaRouche-sponsored publication, court-ordered search of North's files produced a May 1986 telex from Iran-Contra defendant General Richard Secord, discussing the gathering of information to be used against LaRouche.[90][91]
Note the "best private intelligence service in the world" quote. So it is not clear to me that you really want to treat this source as just another political pac.
I am not precisely clear on the meaning of "credible", but if you try "trust", and include about everything, I figure you have a first-approximation start on a little sense. For example, do you really trust network news? but i do not know anything.
Oh, I think humor is a good label here. Given the medium, it seems appropriate to label something humor that might get a chuckle and might be true, when you do not feel you are dealing with a central point.
the rnc is too easy. but nancy .. gosh she has a whip. a lot of people are getting enslaved. she really likes to give orders. and punish. and who would really complain if the congress critters had to wear chastity belts? do you think she does sort of frilly or likes leather? does she have a good whip hand? inquiring minds want to know! video at 7.
http://larouchepac.com/node/14171
I suppose that some places I post do not do urls and so I tend to cut and paste unless it is video. While me "making up" this much seems unlikely, I do not really know where all you visit. On the other hand, I expect this googles easily and the web site is there in what I put in as my "home" web site. Not mine, but still.
The best defense of Bush I ever saw was something like: Obama has done more damage to the country in one year than Bush managed in eight years. some dem congress type i think
I am the sort that has been on county dem exec committees. but who can really find much good to say about either party.
Humor: the rnc is into bondage, nancy and her dems are in some sort of dominatrix matrix. I am not very sophisticated that way, so I am a little vague on the difference.
yah
perhaps you might consider what it is to be human.
various answers, but for an empire human==hodcarrier
or maybe human cattle, more traditionally.
there is a deadly conflict between this view and in this case, explorer of the universe, developer of new tech that enhances man's control of nature, and so. and of course, the associated sense of cultural optimism is really dangerous.
what i say above is important, but a bit superficial. but i think you can at least sort of process it.
and it is a little interesting that kisha rodgers, 22nd cd, texas, won the dem primary in a three way race with over 50% of the vote. her two main slogans were impeach obama and save nasa and you can bet she made the same sort of argument as the video
the destruction of nasa
http://www.larouchepac.com/lpactv?nid=13392
Apollo Astronauts: Obama Space Plan Will Put the U.S. "on a long downhill slide to mediocrity"
April 14, 2010 (LPAC)—In an open letter, obtained by long-time space reporter Jay Barbree, and first reported on the NBC Nightly News Tuesday evening, three of the Apollo astronauts who embody the dedication, no-nonesense attitude, and commitment that brought this nation to the Moon, attacked President Obama's proposal to kill NASA's Constellation program. Neil Armstrong, Commander of Apollo 11, which landed the first astronauts on the Moon; James Lovell, the Commander of the near-fatal Apollo 13 mission (NASA's "finest hour"); and Gene Cernan, Commander of Apollo 17, and the last man to set foot upon the Moon, described the cancellation as "devastating."
Reprising the history of the American space program, the three former astronauts state: "World leadership in space was not achieved easily. In the first half-century of the space age, our country made a significant financial investment, thousands of Americans dedicated themselves to the effort, and some gave their lives to achieve the dream of a nation." No program in modern history, they state, "has been so effective in motivating the young to do 'what has never been done before.'"
Nor was the development and design of the Constellation program haphazard or ill-conceived, they state. "The Ares rocket family was patterned after the [Wernher] von Braun Modular concept so essential to the success of the Saturn 1B and the Saturn V" rockets, which took them to the Moon. Although we will have "wasted our current $10-plus billion investment in Constellation," equally important, "we will have lost the many years required to recreate the equivalent of what we will have destroyed." This, for a second time, following the cancellation of the follow-on missions to Apollo, to live on the Moon.
The timing of this letter is no accident. On Thursday, President Obama makes a whirlwind stop in Florida, at the Kennedy Space Center, to try to sell this destruction of manned space flight. Three days ago, more than 4,000 people rallied nearby in protest, to tell the President what they think of his plan. There has been virtually NO support anywhere for this "outsourcing" of NASA. Out of 435 Representatives and 100 Senators, ONE has backed the President. And he will see, again, the outrage of the American people.
well, on the bank loans, God was involved. How other than as God to treat the "invisible hand". and if not for things like the repeal of glass-steagall, the banks would have been better behaved. Hah, there is a very current data set on this. orszag denied that fannie mae could possibly default! this default threat cost us 1.74 trillion dollars. as far as capitalism is concerned, get a little sense and figure industrial capitalism can be your friend, but financial capitalism is always the world's enemy.
I suspect the title is nuts, and I did rtfa. I hear the way things are set up in the usa, it is impossible to get medical lab work done without kind of a doctor's scrip. I give this some credence by reflecting on attempts to commercialize easily available HIV tests, as for instance, in taverns. On the other hand, there are home preggo testing kits. maybe someone can sort this out?
not quite a complete analysis. looks like the japanese went through the vatican, but the us did not want this particular avenue because of domestic politics
http://ussslcca25.com/zach12.htm
but i think the real deal is that live use of nuclear bombs was useful as a runner up for pre-emptive nuclear war with the ussr, a british policy.
consider how odd it is that you know about the soviet approach, but not the vatican approach
bad dog!
so i googled japan surrender negotiations and the first item included this
* The key points of the Potsdam demands and the Allied final acceptance: The Potsdam proclamation was silent on the Emperor. The agreement stated that the authority of the Emperor and the Japanese Government shall be subordinate to the Allied Supreme Commander.
* Territory will be occupied until proof that war making power is destroyed.
* Japan was limited to the four home islands and such minor islands as we determine. The Yalta agreement handed the Kuril islands to the Soviet union for entering the war against Japan.
* Japanese military forces shall be disarmed and returned to peaceful and productive lives.
* Stern justice to war criminals ; human rights shall be established.
* Permission for industry and world trade, but not to re-arm.
* Allies to withdraw when objectives are accomplished and a freely expressed, peacefully inclined government is in place.
* Unconditional surrender or prompt and utter destruction.
it seems to me there is more to understand then your silly jibe indicates
now lets go further
I believe this url was the second inthe search results
http://ussslcca25.com/zach12.htm
pretty good first hand account about usa responses to japanese efforts to negotiate
how should you look at this. FDR had big plans and was doing well on implementing them. One very upfront plan was to destroy the british empire. good idea and we should now finally do it. but truman was a creepy brit symp and spend his time undoing fdr policies and soon planning pre-emptive nuclear war against the soviets, pushed by the brits. I figure the timing on all this fits to make the nuclear attack on japan part of the larger scheme.
perhaps I am missing something obvious. we got unconditional surrender. kind of linguistically, what more would you ask for?
I acknowledge your first paragraph.
I hear japan was actively negotiating terms, and not much different than what actually happened.
I hear that the japanese were very actively negotiating terms when they got nuked. and the terms were pretty close to what actually happened. Looking at truman, and what the brit ops (Russell, Huxley?) were saying just a little later about pre-emptive nuclear war with the USSR, I figure one component of the hit was demo to the USSR.
There is some recent analysis that trace the roots of the pacific war to teddy roosevelt and, again, you can figure the brits. their favorite idea is lets him and you fight.
public health is a very traditional general welfare issue. the public health people can do very intrusive things to you, up to jail, when it seems merited. I seem to recall a somewhat recent typhoid mary who would not mind. I think she ended up in jail.
of course, you might talk to your county public health people about the state of their current and projected funding. Better hurry, they might not be answering the phones much longer.
ideology does not mix well with many things and mixing with science seems particularly counterproductive. but i do not expect to see ideology fully avoided. It would be good to make the hidden assumptions clear though. We might find that say Darkin and the IDers have some assumptions in common:-)
come on, grow a beard, this is pretty much a genome thing and lots of non-human entities have facial hair, usually a lot of hair all over. you would hardly bother to classify this phenomena as generated by individual intelligence, individual brains, or individual creativity. are you actually trying for a honest meaniful remark or are you just playing ideology games.
you might see my remark on physics as finite
I can not speak exactly for why there is a claim that astrophysics guys seem to like to claim pulsars are the best time keepers. elsewhere I talked about ideology. keeping it simple, if you think physics is finite, you could easily not like the idea of truly new man made configurations of matter exhibiting phenomena that could be considered new in the universe.
on prime numbers, I recall reading sort of a jesuit journal on math around the golden mean and so on, and while I am easily correctable, I seem to recall a connection to prime numbers and we are there trying to deal with natural phenomena. on the other hand, everything is connected to everything from my point of view.
so let us suppose you are knowledgable. then let us frame this as similar to an ideological motivation, really deeper, but we are not really dealing very often with an actually conscious bias. so since you are knowledgeable, I do not have to bring up unfortunate examples in science of ideological influence. even with good data, the ones that immeadiately come to mind take 50-80 years to deal with. and a little more broadly, it is useful to think of creationism as an ideology. and still more broadly you might think about most viewpoints that say that money has intrinsic value.
I do not exactly criticize your position, but other people have different values. the unitarians have a principle about respecting the human worth and dignity of every person. Now I really doubt that includes enabling the stuff you talk about. and there is the idea of unredemmabilty, which is not christian, but which I would be tempted to apply to henry kissinger. and lastly you might chose to think it is good to sort of honor human form, as a rule. that avoids some euthanasia and eugenics crap, which you could easily end up supporting and I do not recommend.
so I can say sort of interesting things, but you seem to have just done a lot of outrage. I am not sure you should go straight from outrage to an inclination toward lethality
there is a strong ideological motivation for the claim that pulsars do it best.
consider that humans can do something new in the universe that the universe can not otherwise do
so this has implications on the nature of the universe and mans relationship to the universe
many of the resulting treatments crap on dominate assumptions that many people think are true
so i do not know if online gambling is victimless. but let us assume there is harm. In the state of washington, the state was doing advertising campaigns around the slogan "playing is good"
more generally, if you think the phrase "casino economy" has significant meaning, I expect you do not want the state supporting actual casinos.
Washington lottery structure is for a 50% payout, assuming the tickets were claimed. It is I think tricky to say playing the lottery makes sense for the individual player. and if you use a competent definition of wealth, it does not generate wealth
I have heard that the people who created the current gaming industry got their spurs doing sims for the military. and a big issue for the us military has traditionally been getting the grunts to fire their weapons at real people. and here i think back to my bayonet training.
ah well. i googled a bit. perhaps not even that, for instance
The cosmic microwave background (CMB) temperature maps from the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) are of great importance for cosmology. After finding out significant systematics in official WMAP maps, we had developed our own map-making software independently of the WMAP team. The new maps produced from the WMAP raw data and our software are notably different to the official ones, and the power spectrum as well as the best-fit cosmological parameters are significantly different too. By revealing the inconsistency between the WMAP raw data and their official map, we pointed out that there must exist an unexpected problem in the WMAP map-making routine. Here we state that the trouble comes from the inaccuracy of antenna pointing direction caused by improper offset of the quaternion interpolation in the WMAP routine. The CMB quadrupole in the WMAP release can be generated from a differential dipole field which is completely determined by the spacecraft velocity and the antenna directions without using any CMB signal. After correcting the WMAP team's error, the CMB quadrupole component disappears. Therefore, the released WMAP CMB quadrupole is almost completely artificial and the real quadrupole of the CMB anisotropy should be near zero. Our finding is important for understanding the early universe.
and I suppose if all the cmb theory starts with a big bang, you might end up finte.
but i do not exactly treat the finiteness issue as emperical. given what i know about the origin of the quote, would a kantian have created general relativity?
but for fun, if not finite, then infinite, and so we are having this identical conversation an infinite number of times, in fact, right now, if now means anything in this context and using the usual stuff
on the other hand, I wonder if an infinite universe suffers from the same sort of problem as included singularities
if i thought i could build an ai, I would start by giving a computer system control of the world's physical production. I would observe say electricity getting short and then see if the computer system build a fusion reactor. the ai is not going to be skynet