You already pay taxes that allow the government to conduct investigations (in your words spy) on it's citizens, and you're pretty much forced to pay taxes, so the governement has already taken on this duty.
Besides, would you rather pay higher taxes for the government to figure out wiretapping VoIP or would you rather the VoIP providers figure out a way to do it? I'm guessing the VoIP providers can come up with a solution that, in the end, will be less expensive to the consumer than the Federal government.
which is to say, the consumer of VOIP will foot the bill for allowing the government to listen in on our phone calls.
Ummm, the consumer is going to have to foot the bill one way or another. If the Federal government chips in to pay for it, it's going to come from some form of tax, otherwise it's just going to be a higer bill from your VoIP provider.
Wait a minute, they sell advertising to make money. Why should I register for content I can find on a myriad of other sites without doing a thing, this isn't about money at all. I don't live in New York and I would bet the majority of online readers don't either, so I'm not interested in local New York news.
If you have the bandwith (which does cost a little) then how can it be overrated for the money, last time I checked it's free.
I agree that unless you use prelinking the system won't be noticably faster than any other distro. And prelinking won't help all packages at that.
I can't argue against using something that's firmilar but if you know what you're doing, if you've used one distro you've used them all. If you think that compiling everything from tarballs and solving dependancy problems on your own isn't that hard, why is it so hard to switch to another distro?
The portage system is way better than downloading tarballs and trying to resolve dependecy problems yourself (downloading more tarballs and./configure, etc., etc.) I doubt you could install any program faster with tarballs versus a simple emerge install [program], as emerge finds all the dependancies, downloads and compiles them for you, and you don't have to worry about configuration.
Gentoo is the first distro that I've used (although Debian comes close) that really makes it easy to install and use almost ANY program out there for Linux. Even if the source you need to compile is not in the portage tree, it's really easy to emerge all the dependancies that you need to make the source work. I'm speaking from experience here, I've used Slack (since almost 8 years ago), Debian, Mandrake, RedHat/Fedora, and even with tools like apt and yum I can't make every piece of software work without a lot of hassle. So portage really does make Gentoo shine, IMO.
This device would be illegal in the US (unless they've somehow received FCC aproval).
The FCC will crack down hard on people using this device. All it takes is one complaint from a cell customer or provider to the FCC, you don't have to file a lawsuit.
The fines for transmitting in unauthorized bands are pretty hefty and I doubt that anyone who is attempting to block cell traffic would be willing to put up with repeated large fines and/or jail time for not complying.
Well, in Ireland we are strongly anti-gun too (years of watching the lunatics up north shoot each other to shit does that to you). However, I'm glad you enjoyed your stay here and hope you return again.
I understand and respect your position on guns, I'm not a fan of the crime that surrounds guns, but they have their uses (hunting and recreation for me). And as for returning to Ireland, I really can't wait! It's a beautiful country and, as I said, the friendliest people I've yet encountered in my trips abroad (and more so than most of America as well!)
If you're in Texas, though, you can get away with it (I remember a case where a repo man was fatally shot in Texas while leaving a house with a car he had just repossessed.
Yea, I remember hearing about that case, and the laws in Texas are a bit extreme IMO.
I'm not advocating shooting anyone and I agree that the average Joe shouldn't just go out and buy a weapon and attempt to defend himself with it. I've had hours of training (in the neighborhood of 700), even then you can only train yourself to a point to remain calm in those situations, and there is always the adrenaline factor. Most people can't remain clam and rational when being mugged.
Honestly, if I were mugged while carrying my iPod and gun (which would never happen), most likely I would give up the iPod (only a 10GB model) and try as hard as possible to keep the mugger from getting my gun (worth about 3 times as much). But really, I don't carry a gun with me unless I'm headed to the range or out hunting. And my first instinct in any threatening situation is to look out for #1, not my iPod, I can always buy another one, but I'm priceless;-)
You're not a troll you have good points. It's not a comforting fact that your average citizen can walk into a store and walk out with a handgun and ammo (assuming they don't have a criminal record) with no real training on the use of the weapon.
However, there are things you do every day, driving a car for instance, that you take for granted. Driving a 3500lb car around in a reckless manner and endangering the lives of others on the road is tantamount to waving a loaded gun around, IMHO. You have bad days when you drive, and you have to make split second decisions when you're driving that can have a serious impact on more than a few people. Again, most people take this for granted. Given cars aren't designed as weapons, but they could be, and extremely destructive ones at that.
So to answer your question, yes, I do think about these things. In another reply in this thread, I said basically the same thing; you always have to consider the consequences of your actions. If I pack a weapon, be it a knife, gun, or even my fists, I try to be as rational in my responses to situations as I can be, but I am human and so is everyone else who carries a weapon. A great example of what you are talking about is police shootings. These are (supposedly) highly trained individuals, and it happens that they have killed innocent people with incorrect judgment, bad days, etc.
I have had extensive training with firearms (around 700hrs at a shooting range). I've been around guns my entire life. I don't take the power of my firearms for granted just as I don't take the power of a vehicle on a roadway for granted. I made the parent post mostly as poke at England. I don't usually carry a gun, and would not take a chance on getting myself killed by an armed mugger for an iPod. Oh, and as an aside, I'm a really calm dude, I've been in ONE fight in my entire life in high school defending myself from a bully dickhead (I've had my house broken into once, but my family and I weren't even there), I'm not some power hungry dick who carries a gun because it makes me feel good about myself, in fact I rarely carry a gun at all unless I'm headed to the range or the mountains to hunt.
You are by far the best example I've come across in a long while, of why guns should remain banned in england.
And you are the best example I have seen in a while of why they should teach English grammar to people who live in England.
I've been to you're humble country. It was nice but I must say I prefer Ireland, the people are much friendlier and a hell of a lot more fun (the pubs are great).
And don't worry; I won't be returning to your oh so humble country if I can help it.
I hate to say it, but if I were you, I'd want to think about going over some basic criminal law (like, law student 101 stuff...there's probably something distilled on the Internet for gun owners in your state). You could seriously screw yourself over with a felony conviction for doing something that you thought was perfectly kosher.
Thanks for the tip, but...
First off, you obviously don't live in Texas. You can shoot people for a lot of things there, including stealing your car (assuming they're on your property).
Second, you're making a lot of assumptions about my personality and the way would react in a situation like this. You've never had any gun training or you would know that you aren't taught to shoot people in the *back* while they are running from you.
There's nothing wrong with protecting yourself, whether it be hand-to-hand combat training, pepper spray, or a gun, but I will agree you have to be ready for the consequences of your actions (you might get hurt or killed, you may end up in jail). I'm certainly not the dipshit redneck you seem to think I am, and I don't think it's kosher to kill anyone.
I'm not captain courageous vigilante out there kicking ass and shooting people who steal iPod's (or wallets whatever), but if someone attacks me, they may have to deal with me.
Besides, for trying to steal my iPod, I think the appropriate punishment would be to shoot off his ears don't you... (a joke, just in case you were wondering)
Yea, they're nice guns, a bit large and really expensive (really there's no comparison to a USP or a Glock there). I've owned a Glock 17 and would take my USP over it any day of the week.
If I was to run into a mugger, I would most likely give up the iPod as I only have a 10GB (I know, Men like you carry the 40GB) and try to keep from getting my USP stolen;-)
And maybe some in your child or spouse by accident too, you dumbass nerd, trying to feel macho about your pathetic self by owning a firearm.
No, actually, I own firearms mostly because I hunt. I also own a few because there are scumbag criminals out there who would hurt my wife and children. And, god forbid I ever have to use a weapon in defense, I'm comfortable enough and trained enough to NOT shoot an innocent person. It has nothing to do with my self opinion. Besides, you're the one who posted Anonymous Coward, not me.
...I carry an iPod and also an H&K USP.40, fuck with my iPod and you're going to have some extra holes in your ass. Oh, sorry, I forgot you can't own guns like that in England, my bad:-/
Does this mean that we can't beat the shit out of this printer to get it working again? Dammit, beating the crap out of my HP LJ 4 to make it work is one of the highlights of my work week, but I couldn't hit a girl printer.
47517 downloads of the Ethereal 0.10.0 installer in February
I stand corrected. And my apologies on the BeOS comment, I should have clicked the link before citing it.
Again I would refer to my first reply where I clearly stated I was talking about MY university setting, not a corporation, not a software development, company. I laid down what I thought were a very specific set of circumstances (apparently I wasn't clear enough) where this software was being used and how it was used. I know my experience working IT for the university has shown that all the sysadmins, PC Server admins included, are running either Solaris or OS X for most of their administrative needs. Not to say a version of Ethereal for Windows wouldn't be handy (maybe I'll suggest it to them)
The two "UNIX Sys Admin" tools you mention by name - Nmap and Ethereal - both run on Windows.
Ok, sure, there are Windows versions of these programs. In fact there are PalmOS and BeOS (check Ethereal's web site if you don't believe me) versions as well, but are they in widespread use? Besides, they are open source so you could port them to just about any OS if you really wanted to, so you're post can apply to any operating platform out there.
I don't know what area of IT (or if you work in IT at all) you work in but it isn't in a UNIVERSITY setting like the one I was describing. We do have a PC (read Wintel) administration wing but the vast majority of the computers doing the workload (and using sysadmin tools like Nmap and Ethereal) are running OS X, AIX, BSD, and Solaris. None us sysadmins use Windows for Nmap or Ethereal, we use them for tasks like Lotus Notes accessing Exchange servers. The only people on campus that use Windows Boxes are doing Windows Server administration or are running the helpdesk.
You obviosly missed the point of my post, that Winows ME is more stable/reliable than OS X is a load of crap.
Sorry if I seem brash, I'm not feeling well, and I have karma to burn.;-)
Thought I'd point out that line to you but as I see you've already re-read the parent. It just blows my mind that posts like that can and will get modded up, and really insightful, informational posts are overlooked. Like I said, though, some of the people out there with mod points seem have asshat syndrome;-) Thanks for re-reading the parent.
I'm sorry but I have to cry bullshit on this post. I work for the the IT department for a reasearch university in New Mexico (yea, laugh now but our U pulls in loads of reasearch money and we have one of the top Engineering schools in the country and we're in the top 50 in Computer Science) and we have widespread use of OS X, mainly in OS X Server but you would be surprised at the ammount our of sys admins running Macs with OS X (our entire NOC is running OS X as admin computers). It's a great combination of useablility (i.e. MS Office and UNIX Sys Admin tools nmap, ethereal, etc.) that just doesn't happen in the Windows environment. And yes, I realize you aren't talking about system administration, you are talking about end users.
I'm not sure what types of software that you were running but they must have been extremely poorly written. I mean OS X crashing more than ME?!? Come on, give me a break, I don't recall ever seeing a BSOD on a OS X (maybe the swirl that never ends) but if you know anything about *NIX in general, you can kill -KILL (PID) any process that is causing problems. Your comparison of Max OS X in general to ME is almost absurd as ME is based on partly on technology from the old DOS days, where OS X has compatability with classic, but the underpinnings are not the same. A much better comparison would be NT/2000/XP to OS X, but even there the reliability is not the same.
I personally have a Mac running panther, along with 2 PCs, one (sadly requied) running Windows XP and one running Linux. My current uptime (not max, which is 66 days) on my Mac is 34 days (the MAX uptime i've ever had on my XP machine is 22 days), and security reboots aside I've never had a crash, lockup or any other problem with OS X. I can't say the same for any Windows operating system I've ever run, although with XP my reboots are occuring with less frequency. And NO I'm not a Mac fanboy, I really prefer working on my Linux system, Mac comes in at a close second. And working in IT for 12 years, Mac's are, if not the easiest to deal with, they are close. No wonder you post as AC, but the fact that you're post was modded up shows that those with mod points are on crack.
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You already pay taxes that allow the government to conduct investigations (in your words spy) on it's citizens, and you're pretty much forced to pay taxes, so the governement has already taken on this duty.
Besides, would you rather pay higher taxes for the government to figure out wiretapping VoIP or would you rather the VoIP providers figure out a way to do it? I'm guessing the VoIP providers can come up with a solution that, in the end, will be less expensive to the consumer than the Federal government.
Ummm, the consumer is going to have to foot the bill one way or another. If the Federal government chips in to pay for it, it's going to come from some form of tax, otherwise it's just going to be a higer bill from your VoIP provider.
Wait a minute, they sell advertising to make money. Why should I register for content I can find on a myriad of other sites without doing a thing, this isn't about money at all. I don't live in New York and I would bet the majority of online readers don't either, so I'm not interested in local New York news.
If you have the bandwith (which does cost a little) then how can it be overrated for the money, last time I checked it's free.
./configure, etc., etc.) I doubt you could install any program faster with tarballs versus a simple emerge install [program], as emerge finds all the dependancies, downloads and compiles them for you, and you don't have to worry about configuration.
I agree that unless you use prelinking the system won't be noticably faster than any other distro. And prelinking won't help all packages at that.
I can't argue against using something that's firmilar but if you know what you're doing, if you've used one distro you've used them all. If you think that compiling everything from tarballs and solving dependancy problems on your own isn't that hard, why is it so hard to switch to another distro?
The portage system is way better than downloading tarballs and trying to resolve dependecy problems yourself (downloading more tarballs and
Gentoo is the first distro that I've used (although Debian comes close) that really makes it easy to install and use almost ANY program out there for Linux. Even if the source you need to compile is not in the portage tree, it's really easy to emerge all the dependancies that you need to make the source work. I'm speaking from experience here, I've used Slack (since almost 8 years ago), Debian, Mandrake, RedHat/Fedora, and even with tools like apt and yum I can't make every piece of software work without a lot of hassle. So portage really does make Gentoo shine, IMO.
This device would be illegal in the US (unless they've somehow received FCC aproval).
The FCC will crack down hard on people using this device. All it takes is one complaint from a cell customer or provider to the FCC, you don't have to file a lawsuit.
The fines for transmitting in unauthorized bands are pretty hefty and I doubt that anyone who is attempting to block cell traffic would be willing to put up with repeated large fines and/or jail time for not complying.
Well, in Ireland we are strongly anti-gun too (years of watching the lunatics up north shoot each other to shit does that to you). However, I'm glad you enjoyed your stay here and hope you return again.
I understand and respect your position on guns, I'm not a fan of the crime that surrounds guns, but they have their uses (hunting and recreation for me). And as for returning to Ireland, I really can't wait! It's a beautiful country and, as I said, the friendliest people I've yet encountered in my trips abroad (and more so than most of America as well!)
If you're in Texas, though, you can get away with it (I remember a case where a repo man was fatally shot in Texas while leaving a house with a car he had just repossessed.
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Yea, I remember hearing about that case, and the laws in Texas are a bit extreme IMO.
I'm not advocating shooting anyone and I agree that the average Joe shouldn't just go out and buy a weapon and attempt to defend himself with it. I've had hours of training (in the neighborhood of 700), even then you can only train yourself to a point to remain calm in those situations, and there is always the adrenaline factor. Most people can't remain clam and rational when being mugged.
Honestly, if I were mugged while carrying my iPod and gun (which would never happen), most likely I would give up the iPod (only a 10GB model) and try as hard as possible to keep the mugger from getting my gun (worth about 3 times as much). But really, I don't carry a gun with me unless I'm headed to the range or out hunting. And my first instinct in any threatening situation is to look out for #1, not my iPod, I can always buy another one, but I'm priceless
Dude, did you look at the link?!? To hell with the gun an MP3 player, I want the chick!!!
You're not a troll you have good points. It's not a comforting fact that your average citizen can walk into a store and walk out with a handgun and ammo (assuming they don't have a criminal record) with no real training on the use of the weapon.
However, there are things you do every day, driving a car for instance, that you take for granted. Driving a 3500lb car around in a reckless manner and endangering the lives of others on the road is tantamount to waving a loaded gun around, IMHO. You have bad days when you drive, and you have to make split second decisions when you're driving that can have a serious impact on more than a few people. Again, most people take this for granted. Given cars aren't designed as weapons, but they could be, and extremely destructive ones at that.
So to answer your question, yes, I do think about these things. In another reply in this thread, I said basically the same thing; you always have to consider the consequences of your actions. If I pack a weapon, be it a knife, gun, or even my fists, I try to be as rational in my responses to situations as I can be, but I am human and so is everyone else who carries a weapon. A great example of what you are talking about is police shootings. These are (supposedly) highly trained individuals, and it happens that they have killed innocent people with incorrect judgment, bad days, etc.
I have had extensive training with firearms (around 700hrs at a shooting range). I've been around guns my entire life. I don't take the power of my firearms for granted just as I don't take the power of a vehicle on a roadway for granted. I made the parent post mostly as poke at England. I don't usually carry a gun, and would not take a chance on getting myself killed by an armed mugger for an iPod. Oh, and as an aside, I'm a really calm dude, I've been in ONE fight in my entire life in high school defending myself from a bully dickhead (I've had my house broken into once, but my family and I weren't even there), I'm not some power hungry dick who carries a gun because it makes me feel good about myself, in fact I rarely carry a gun at all unless I'm headed to the range or the mountains to hunt.
And you are the best example I have seen in a while of why they should teach English grammar to people who live in England.
I've been to you're humble country. It was nice but I must say I prefer Ireland, the people are much friendlier and a hell of a lot more fun (the pubs are great).
And don't worry; I won't be returning to your oh so humble country if I can help it.
First off, you obviously don't live in Texas. You can shoot people for a lot of things there, including stealing your car (assuming they're on your property).
Second, you're making a lot of assumptions about my personality and the way would react in a situation like this. You've never had any gun training or you would know that you aren't taught to shoot people in the *back* while they are running from you.
There's nothing wrong with protecting yourself, whether it be hand-to-hand combat training, pepper spray, or a gun, but I will agree you have to be ready for the consequences of your actions (you might get hurt or killed, you may end up in jail). I'm certainly not the dipshit redneck you seem to think I am, and I don't think it's kosher to kill anyone.
I'm not captain courageous vigilante out there kicking ass and shooting people who steal iPod's (or wallets whatever), but if someone attacks me, they may have to deal with me.
Besides, for trying to steal my iPod, I think the appropriate punishment would be to shoot off his ears don't you... (a joke, just in case you were wondering)
Yea, they're nice guns, a bit large and really expensive (really there's no comparison to a USP or a Glock there). I've owned a Glock 17 and would take my USP over it any day of the week.
If I was to run into a mugger, I would most likely give up the iPod as I only have a 10GB (I know, Men like you carry the 40GB) and try to keep from getting my USP stolen
Ahhh... one can only dream of such cool toys!
...I carry an iPod and also an H&K USP .40, fuck with my iPod and you're going to have some extra holes in your ass. Oh, sorry, I forgot you can't own guns like that in England, my bad :-/
Does this mean that we can't beat the shit out of this printer to get it working again? Dammit, beating the crap out of my HP LJ 4 to make it work is one of the highlights of my work week, but I couldn't hit a girl printer.
First SPAM in my computer now shite? I shudder to think what substance will fill my computer next...
...sorry, I submited my last post on accident without being able to end my train of thought. (damn single button Apple mice ;-)
Anyway, I wanted to say thanks for Ethereal, it's an invaluable tool for me.
Again I would refer to my first reply where I clearly stated I was talking about MY university setting, not a corporation, not a software development, company. I laid down what I thought were a very specific set of circumstances (apparently I wasn't clear enough) where this software was being used and how it was used. I know my experience working IT for the university has shown that all the sysadmins, PC Server admins included, are running either Solaris or OS X for most of their administrative needs. Not to say a version of Ethereal for Windows wouldn't be handy (maybe I'll suggest it to them)
Ok, sure, there are Windows versions of these programs. In fact there are PalmOS and BeOS (check Ethereal's web site if you don't believe me) versions as well, but are they in widespread use? Besides, they are open source so you could port them to just about any OS if you really wanted to, so you're post can apply to any operating platform out there.
I don't know what area of IT (or if you work in IT at all) you work in but it isn't in a UNIVERSITY setting like the one I was describing. We do have a PC (read Wintel) administration wing but the vast majority of the computers doing the workload (and using sysadmin tools like Nmap and Ethereal) are running OS X, AIX, BSD, and Solaris. None us sysadmins use Windows for Nmap or Ethereal, we use them for tasks like Lotus Notes accessing Exchange servers. The only people on campus that use Windows Boxes are doing Windows Server administration or are running the helpdesk.
You obviosly missed the point of my post, that Winows ME is more stable/reliable than OS X is a load of crap.
Sorry if I seem brash, I'm not feeling well, and I have karma to burn.
Thought I'd point out that line to you but as I see you've already re-read the parent. It just blows my mind that posts like that can and will get modded up, and really insightful, informational posts are overlooked. Like I said, though, some of the people out there with mod points seem have asshat syndrome
I'm sorry but I have to cry bullshit on this post. I work for the the IT department for a reasearch university in New Mexico (yea, laugh now but our U pulls in loads of reasearch money and we have one of the top Engineering schools in the country and we're in the top 50 in Computer Science) and we have widespread use of OS X, mainly in OS X Server but you would be surprised at the ammount our of sys admins running Macs with OS X (our entire NOC is running OS X as admin computers). It's a great combination of useablility (i.e. MS Office and UNIX Sys Admin tools nmap, ethereal, etc.) that just doesn't happen in the Windows environment. And yes, I realize you aren't talking about system administration, you are talking about end users.
I'm not sure what types of software that you were running but they must have been extremely poorly written. I mean OS X crashing more than ME?!? Come on, give me a break, I don't recall ever seeing a BSOD on a OS X (maybe the swirl that never ends) but if you know anything about *NIX in general, you can kill -KILL (PID) any process that is causing problems. Your comparison of Max OS X in general to ME is almost absurd as ME is based on partly on technology from the old DOS days, where OS X has compatability with classic, but the underpinnings are not the same. A much better comparison would be NT/2000/XP to OS X, but even there the reliability is not the same.
I personally have a Mac running panther, along with 2 PCs, one (sadly requied) running Windows XP and one running Linux. My current uptime (not max, which is 66 days) on my Mac is 34 days (the MAX uptime i've ever had on my XP machine is 22 days), and security reboots aside I've never had a crash, lockup or any other problem with OS X. I can't say the same for any Windows operating system I've ever run, although with XP my reboots are occuring with less frequency. And NO I'm not a Mac fanboy, I really prefer working on my Linux system, Mac comes in at a close second. And working in IT for 12 years, Mac's are, if not the easiest to deal with, they are close. No wonder you post as AC, but the fact that you're post was modded up shows that those with mod points are on crack.
If it turns out that Novell owns the copyrights to UNIX then SCO still has no leagal standing against AutoZone does it?
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