"I release a product that is not ready for the market.
I charge full price.
I never officially say that the product is a "beta" because then I couldn't charge full price."
I believe you left out a couple of steps in that.
1) I continue shipping a fully-working product *bundled* with the the new product.
2) I release frequent, free updates to the product.
I do not think it is possible to get MacOS X without also getting a version of MacOS 9 included. Other than media costs, I have also not seen a paid update to MacOS X. I have seen Mac sites complain that the updates are *too* frequent.
sarcasm
I am sure that Microsoft will continue shipping W98SE along with XP until they work out allof the bugs.
/sarcasm
Yeah, forget about that entire "Release early, release often." bit.
Apple made it fairly clear that the early releases of MacOS X were only a few steps beyond beta. If Apple did not make that clear enough for you, reading *any* of the Mac-releated news sites should have.
I suppose that is one reason that MacOS 9 is still shipping on all of Apple's computers in addition to MacOS X.
Congratulations, you are the first to break (and therefore test) the NCL.
Since we do not have a fanatic like ESR to write a 20k discourse on your failure as a geek and as a human being, I will have to do.
<meta personality="esr" mood="gplbreak">
Since the basis of the NCL is to promote inconsistency, it is only natural for the name to be inconsistent with its use. Had you the slightest clue as to the philisophical basis on which life, itself, is based and the very reasoning behind the NCL, you would clearly see things as I do.
Since you are not enlightened, obviously, I feel the need to bang it into your head.
Stop the abuse! Stop the violation!
</esr>
Yeah, so what he said.
This post is hereby distributed under the NCL and is *NOT* copyright (c) 2001 Hank Zimmerman
The point is that the problem was already fixed. I suppose people could argue that they were due something for the problems they suffered before it was fixed, but that is a loose argument at best (given the details of the case, which no one really seems to have).
The big fix was access to the fix, which Apple has already provided in several forms.
Ahh, class action lawsuits. As has been pointed out on numerous Mac-related web sites, the problems with Apple's software DVD player were fixed in later versions of the software (included with 9.0.4, 9.1, and 9.2)
This software was available as a free download. I believe it was even included with the Software Update control panel (so that with minimum user input, it would update itself), also as a free download.
So now Apple settles this lawsuit, and they have to provide the software for free (been there, done that, now they just have to provide the CD) and provide support on the update.
It seems that the only real winners in this lawsuit are the lawyers. Apparently they get a cut based on possible takers. So they figure there are 100,000 people effected by the bum software. They figure that 20,000 might take Apple up on their over-priced offers. They get a cut of those 20,000 people's purchases, even if they do not actually buy the items in question.
Strange...
Anyway, this just shows commercial software places "Do not 'Release early, release often.'" - you might get sued if it is too buggy, even if you provide free updates.
I am surprised no one pointed out the other problem with this way of doing things: You have no control over that data once it leaves your keyboard.
Yes, you can spend time reading their privacy policy (more than the 30 seconds you allotted), but then you have to worry about the data being sold (and the privacy policy changing post de facto).
"Guys...we are at war. The normal rules do not count in war. In times of war the needs of the many outweigh privacy arguments."
Is this basically what we said to Japanese-Americans as we locked them up shortly after Pearl Harbor?
"Guys...we are at war. The normal rules do not count in war. In times of war the needs of the many outweigh the freedoms of some. Now walk into the camp."
I post a comment similar to this on almost every single browser-related article.
Take a look at iCab, an alternative browser for the Macintosh for a more intelligent way of doing things. Not only can it filter images based on path, server, and size - it also allows filtering JavaScript based on path and server. In addition, you can decide what parts of JavaScript you want a server to be able to run (set geocities.com to never open new windws and go).
Cookies are similar to what Opera has (although I like iCab's version slightly better) - Always accept from this domain, always reject from this domain, Accept deleting at quit, Accept.
Always accept from Slashdot, always reject from doubleclick. Easy enough.
That could be *any* link out there, even ones not on Slashdot. Should I not load Slashdot since obviously their numbers are so high as to destroy other servers?
I clicked on the link because I am interested in the Mozialla browser and its development. I would guess that most of the Slashdot crowd clicked for the same reason.
One only needs to look at how many/. posters apparently never read the original story. It is a frequent complaint around here.
No, most people who clicked on the link did so to find out more about the story. Most of the/. crowd are not one to "blindly click." They are too lazy to do that.
As others on this story have said, there are better places to discuss the story. A publically accessable web server is always open to being linked to from anywhere.
If I were a developer, I would welcome the general public taking down my web server for a day. It means that they are interested in what I am developing.
Do I have high school kids reading Harry Potter? Yes.
Do I have kids reading Potter and nothing else? Yes.
Do I have kids that I have talked into reading Ender's Game because of Potter? Yes.
When a child gets done reading Potter, a trusted adult should step in and say "You know, I read Harry Potter and like them too. Since there is not a fifth Potter book, why not try _______. I think you will really like it."
Most of the time it works. Some times it does not. Those are the kids you are talking about.
Anyone who works with children should be reading quite a bit. Part of raising a child (whether you are a teacher, a parent, or a friend) is keeping one step ahead so that as the child develops, you are there to support and encourage. Staying ahead of their reading is part of it.
http://slashdot.org/search.pl?topic=158 is a link to all of the privicy related stories that have run on/. recently. In there, you will find articles about IBM, eBay, Toysmart, several colleges and schools, and several governments. This is just a start as I glance through the headline.
Interestingly enough, there is even one about Google, everyone's favorite search engine.
As someone who works with high school kids, I am glad for Harry Potter for one reason - they are getting kids to read.
I suppose I sound really old, but it seems that with television, video games and others, reading is not as important as it used to be.
Harry Potter got kids who had not read a book on their own in years to actually read something. Does the book deserve a Hugo for that? Probably not, but I think that they at least deserve some award (other than the huge financial one that they are going to get from licensing and movies)
I read the first two books (I refuse to buy the third and fourth in hardback), and they are a good read. Not the best ever (I have a difficult time comparing Ender's Game with Harry Potter), but a good read.
I would recommend that everyone read them, even if you pick them up from a library. Get to know what your kids are reading. We talk about watching kids while they are online. The same should go for what they read.
And then you get into devices that attempt to have "built-in" termination. Or devices that, for whatever reason, have to be at the end of the chain (due to termination issues) and you need to attach two of them. Or your motherboard (at one end of the bus sometimes) is not providing decent termination.
And that is not even getting into cable length.
At one time I had four external SCSI devices attached to my computer. Placement of the four items would cause the chain to work or not. I am not talking about placement on the chain (which can definitely between working and not), but rather on my desk. If I moved the Zip drive too far to the right the chain would fail. If I tried to move the hard drive under the desk the chain would fail.
Luckily I was running seperate busses for internal and external.
"There are very technical reason why you need to sacrifice a goat to get your SCSI chain working properly."
As for the other post - I have always heard is "scuzzy." I always thought that it was appropriate for how messed-up SCSI was. Of course, I would take SCSI over parallel and slow serial any day of the week.
Now Firewire and USB... I still have too much invested in SCSI to go over just yet. Looks like good specs. Now if they would only keep USB as a low-speed powered bus and not try to get in over their heads I will be fine. I just want something I can attach keyboards, mice, and printers to. Having two seperate busses makes sense (one slower and powered, the other faster). Yes, I understand that Firewire is powered.
As someone with a simply enormous Lego brick collection, I wanted to step in and mention one market that Lego is doing better about hitting, but still largely ignoring - adults.
Lego has done better in the past few years with things like Mindstorms and some of the more expensive Star Wars models. To a large degree, however, Lego is missing out on some really devoted adult purchasers. A simple look at rec.toys.lego will show that there is a very strong Lego following among adults out there.
And, please, Lego - I have been to Legoland Winsor. I realize there is a Legoland here in the States. Please do not bring anymore. It is not that I did not completely enjoy Legoland, but I see a Legoland USA failing much the same way that EuroDisney failed. I would hate to see you lose that much money on something that foolish.
This time the sub-theme is the Net and the waves of brainy but obnoxious adolescent jerks who have helped set its sometimes nasty tone in recent years.
Did Katz see the same movie I did? Saying that "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" is about the Net the same way that Dogma is about religion is just plain wrong.
"JASBSB" seems to be Kevin Smith striking back at Hollywood after making four feature length films. The entire movie is about making movies, from Affleck's early comment of "Who would go pay to see a movie about Jay and Silent Bob?" to the sequel to "Good Will Hunting" being an action flick.
It is interesting to note that "JASBSB" knocks Mirimax who has helped distribute most of Kevin Smith's previous works.
In the end, the movie is about making movies, not about the Net. It is very humorous at times, and is full of cameo appearances (Carrie Fischer as a nun?). It even makes fun of the four previous films at times and cleans up some loose ends.
I received quite a bit of it (no where near 1.1 gigs, but I would guess at least 10 megs). Part of it has to do with how the email addresses are found by SirCam: It searches the cache of IE and pulls any email addresses off of those web pages.
If your email address is not on a lot of web pages, chances are you will not get enough. If you run/., on the other hand, you have your fill of web pages with your email address on them.
freedb.org uses the same submission/lookup language/protocol as CDDB. Sine Gracenote apparently helped Roxio write their look-up algorithm and then Roxio turned around and used that same code to instead atart looking up things in freedb, Gracenote feels they are entitled to damages.
I believe a power rating was specified for THX at either 100 or 110 watts across the front three channels. There are a bunch of other requirements, as well, such as full-range speakers up front (no sub and sattelite configuration)
http://www.thx.com/consumer_products/home_faq.html is a good place to start...
I want the ability to filter cookies based on the domain they came from./. cookies - Yes. Doubleclick - No.
I want the ability to filter images based on the domain and/or size (no more 1x1 web bugs).
I want the ability to filter JavaScript based on the domain.
I want the ability to set up my browser so that sites cannot open new browser windows.
Most of all, I want these features built into the borwser. I should not have to download a third party application to control fundamental parts of my web browsing activities.
I normally use iCab on the Mac http://wwwicab.de/but for the past few weeks have had to use IE 5.0/Windows. iCab normally offers all of these filters (and more), and I find the features sorely lacking in IE.
I suppose that explains why Apple went with the G3 in desktops in the fisrt place. Oh, and the 603.
Apple has a history of putting slower chips out there at higher speeds in desktops if it makes sense to do so. With people complining about Apple's loss in the mHz war, would you not think that Apple would put a faster ship in their computers now if it made sense to?
Slashdot Mirror
"I release a product that is not ready for the market.
I charge full price.
I never officially say that the product is a "beta" because then I couldn't charge full price."
I believe you left out a couple of steps in that.
1) I continue shipping a fully-working product *bundled* with the the new product.
2) I release frequent, free updates to the product.
I do not think it is possible to get MacOS X without also getting a version of MacOS 9 included. Other than media costs, I have also not seen a paid update to MacOS X. I have seen Mac sites complain that the updates are *too* frequent.
sarcasm
I am sure that Microsoft will continue shipping W98SE along with XP until they work out allof the bugs.
/sarcasm
Yeah, forget about that entire "Release early, release often." bit.
Apple made it fairly clear that the early releases of MacOS X were only a few steps beyond beta. If Apple did not make that clear enough for you, reading *any* of the Mac-releated news sites should have.
I suppose that is one reason that MacOS 9 is still shipping on all of Apple's computers in addition to MacOS X.
Congratulations, you are the first to break (and therefore test) the NCL.
Since we do not have a fanatic like ESR to write a 20k discourse on your failure as a geek and as a human being, I will have to do.
<meta personality="esr" mood="gplbreak">
Since the basis of the NCL is to promote inconsistency, it is only natural for the name to be inconsistent with its use. Had you the slightest clue as to the philisophical basis on which life, itself, is based and the very reasoning behind the NCL, you would clearly see things as I do.
Since you are not enlightened, obviously, I feel the need to bang it into your head.
Stop the abuse! Stop the violation!
</esr>
Yeah, so what he said.
This post is hereby distributed under the NCL and is *NOT* copyright (c) 2001 Hank Zimmerman
It was a settlement.
There is an obvious third possibility - since Apple already had the fix written, it was far easier (and cheaper) to settle than to continue.
My beef is with lawyers who a lot of times make it easier and cheaper to give up than anything.
The point is that the problem was already fixed. I suppose people could argue that they were due something for the problems they suffered before it was fixed, but that is a loose argument at best (given the details of the case, which no one really seems to have).
The big fix was access to the fix, which Apple has already provided in several forms.
Ahh, class action lawsuits. As has been pointed out on numerous Mac-related web sites, the problems with Apple's software DVD player were fixed in later versions of the software (included with 9.0.4, 9.1, and 9.2)
This software was available as a free download. I believe it was even included with the Software Update control panel (so that with minimum user input, it would update itself), also as a free download.
So now Apple settles this lawsuit, and they have to provide the software for free (been there, done that, now they just have to provide the CD) and provide support on the update.
It seems that the only real winners in this lawsuit are the lawyers. Apparently they get a cut based on possible takers. So they figure there are 100,000 people effected by the bum software. They figure that 20,000 might take Apple up on their over-priced offers. They get a cut of those 20,000 people's purchases, even if they do not actually buy the items in question.
Strange...
Anyway, this just shows commercial software places "Do not 'Release early, release often.'" - you might get sued if it is too buggy, even if you provide free updates.
I am surprised no one pointed out the other problem with this way of doing things: You have no control over that data once it leaves your keyboard.
Yes, you can spend time reading their privacy policy (more than the 30 seconds you allotted), but then you have to worry about the data being sold (and the privacy policy changing post de facto).
"Guys...we are at war. The normal rules do not count in war. In times of war the needs of the many outweigh privacy arguments."
Is this basically what we said to Japanese-Americans as we locked them up shortly after Pearl Harbor?
"Guys...we are at war. The normal rules do not count in war. In times of war the needs of the many outweigh the freedoms of some. Now walk into the camp."
I post a comment similar to this on almost every single browser-related article.
Take a look at iCab, an alternative browser for the Macintosh for a more intelligent way of doing things. Not only can it filter images based on path, server, and size - it also allows filtering JavaScript based on path and server. In addition, you can decide what parts of JavaScript you want a server to be able to run (set geocities.com to never open new windws and go).
Cookies are similar to what Opera has (although I like iCab's version slightly better) - Always accept from this domain, always reject from this domain, Accept deleting at quit, Accept.
Always accept from Slashdot, always reject from doubleclick. Easy enough.
That could be *any* link out there, even ones not on Slashdot. Should I not load Slashdot since obviously their numbers are so high as to destroy other servers?
/. posters apparently never read the original story. It is a frequent complaint around here.
/. crowd are not one to "blindly click." They are too lazy to do that.
I clicked on the link because I am interested in the Mozialla browser and its development. I would guess that most of the Slashdot crowd clicked for the same reason.
One only needs to look at how many
No, most people who clicked on the link did so to find out more about the story. Most of the
As others on this story have said, there are better places to discuss the story. A publically accessable web server is always open to being linked to from anywhere.
If I were a developer, I would welcome the general public taking down my web server for a day. It means that they are interested in what I am developing.
Do I have high school kids reading Harry Potter? Yes.
Do I have kids reading Potter and nothing else? Yes.
Do I have kids that I have talked into reading Ender's Game because of Potter? Yes.
When a child gets done reading Potter, a trusted adult should step in and say "You know, I read Harry Potter and like them too. Since there is not a fifth Potter book, why not try _______. I think you will really like it."
Most of the time it works. Some times it does not. Those are the kids you are talking about.
Anyone who works with children should be reading quite a bit. Part of raising a child (whether you are a teacher, a parent, or a friend) is keeping one step ahead so that as the child develops, you are there to support and encourage. Staying ahead of their reading is part of it.
Have you been reading Slashdot at all?
/. recently. In there, you will find articles about IBM, eBay, Toysmart, several colleges and schools, and several governments. This is just a start as I glance through the headline.
http://slashdot.org/search.pl?topic=158 is a link to all of the privicy related stories that have run on
Interestingly enough, there is even one about Google, everyone's favorite search engine.
As someone who works with high school kids, I am glad for Harry Potter for one reason - they are getting kids to read.
I suppose I sound really old, but it seems that with television, video games and others, reading is not as important as it used to be.
Harry Potter got kids who had not read a book on their own in years to actually read something. Does the book deserve a Hugo for that? Probably not, but I think that they at least deserve some award (other than the huge financial one that they are going to get from licensing and movies)
I read the first two books (I refuse to buy the third and fourth in hardback), and they are a good read. Not the best ever (I have a difficult time comparing Ender's Game with Harry Potter), but a good read.
I would recommend that everyone read them, even if you pick them up from a library. Get to know what your kids are reading. We talk about watching kids while they are online. The same should go for what they read.
Funy you should mention *he* looks uninformed.
Pleading not guilty means that he gets his day in court when he (and his representation) can argue that the DMCA is unconstitutional.
*That* is the way that laws can be struck down.
And then you get into devices that attempt to have "built-in" termination. Or devices that, for whatever reason, have to be at the end of the chain (due to termination issues) and you need to attach two of them. Or your motherboard (at one end of the bus sometimes) is not providing decent termination.
And that is not even getting into cable length.
At one time I had four external SCSI devices attached to my computer. Placement of the four items would cause the chain to work or not. I am not talking about placement on the chain (which can definitely between working and not), but rather on my desk. If I moved the Zip drive too far to the right the chain would fail. If I tried to move the hard drive under the desk the chain would fail.
Luckily I was running seperate busses for internal and external.
"There are very technical reason why you need to sacrifice a goat to get your SCSI chain working properly."
As for the other post - I have always heard is "scuzzy." I always thought that it was appropriate for how messed-up SCSI was. Of course, I would take SCSI over parallel and slow serial any day of the week.
Now Firewire and USB... I still have too much invested in SCSI to go over just yet. Looks like good specs. Now if they would only keep USB as a low-speed powered bus and not try to get in over their heads I will be fine. I just want something I can attach keyboards, mice, and printers to. Having two seperate busses makes sense (one slower and powered, the other faster). Yes, I understand that Firewire is powered.
As someone with a simply enormous Lego brick collection, I wanted to step in and mention one market that Lego is doing better about hitting, but still largely ignoring - adults.
Lego has done better in the past few years with things like Mindstorms and some of the more expensive Star Wars models. To a large degree, however, Lego is missing out on some really devoted adult purchasers. A simple look at rec.toys.lego will show that there is a very strong Lego following among adults out there.
And, please, Lego - I have been to Legoland Winsor. I realize there is a Legoland here in the States. Please do not bring anymore. It is not that I did not completely enjoy Legoland, but I see a Legoland USA failing much the same way that EuroDisney failed. I would hate to see you lose that much money on something that foolish.
This time the sub-theme is the Net and the waves of brainy but obnoxious adolescent jerks who have helped set its sometimes nasty tone in recent years.
Did Katz see the same movie I did? Saying that "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" is about the Net the same way that Dogma is about religion is just plain wrong.
"JASBSB" seems to be Kevin Smith striking back at Hollywood after making four feature length films. The entire movie is about making movies, from Affleck's early comment of "Who would go pay to see a movie about Jay and Silent Bob?" to the sequel to "Good Will Hunting" being an action flick.
It is interesting to note that "JASBSB" knocks Mirimax who has helped distribute most of Kevin Smith's previous works.
In the end, the movie is about making movies, not about the Net. It is very humorous at times, and is full of cameo appearances (Carrie Fischer as a nun?). It even makes fun of the four previous films at times and cleans up some loose ends.
And how did Katz get passed my Katz-filter?
For what it is worth, iCab, an alternative browser for the Mac, still works well on Slshdot/Banjo.
I just started up Opera 5.0b2 on the Mac, as well, and it seems to run well.
Shows you for running Windows, I suppose.
What should happen is that any ISP that refuses to carry traffic on port 80 should then provide 5 or 10 megs of web hosting space.
I think that there are several broadband carriers out there than do just that.
I received quite a bit of it (no where near 1.1 gigs, but I would guess at least 10 megs). Part of it has to do with how the email addresses are found by SirCam: It searches the cache of IE and pulls any email addresses off of those web pages.
/., on the other hand, you have your fill of web pages with your email address on them.
If your email address is not on a lot of web pages, chances are you will not get enough. If you run
freedb.org uses the same submission/lookup language/protocol as CDDB. Sine Gracenote apparently helped Roxio write their look-up algorithm and then Roxio turned around and used that same code to instead atart looking up things in freedb, Gracenote feels they are entitled to damages.
I believe a power rating was specified for THX at either 100 or 110 watts across the front three channels. There are a bunch of other requirements, as well, such as full-range speakers up front (no sub and sattelite configuration) http://www.thx.com/consumer_products/home_faq.html is a good place to start...
I want the ability to filter cookies based on the domain they came from. /. cookies - Yes. Doubleclick - No.
I want the ability to filter images based on the domain and/or size (no more 1x1 web bugs).
I want the ability to filter JavaScript based on the domain.
I want the ability to set up my browser so that sites cannot open new browser windows.
Most of all, I want these features built into the borwser. I should not have to download a third party application to control fundamental parts of my web browsing activities.
I normally use iCab on the Mac http://wwwicab.de/but for the past few weeks have had to use IE 5.0/Windows. iCab normally offers all of these filters (and more), and I find the features sorely lacking in IE.
I suppose that explains why Apple went with the G3 in desktops in the fisrt place. Oh, and the 603. Apple has a history of putting slower chips out there at higher speeds in desktops if it makes sense to do so. With people complining about Apple's loss in the mHz war, would you not think that Apple would put a faster ship in their computers now if it made sense to?
I suppose they could not afford a Giganet switch. Those machines support 1000Base-T out of the box.
Interesting that they did not go with the G4/500MP, which was also available.
It looks like they added RAM to each of the machines, but kept the stock 30 gig hard drive.