Not to sound ignorant or anything, but wasn't this whole trial about M$ illegally bundling their browser? I mean, yes, some other things were brought out (thank goodness), but it all started and centered around that, right?
I would be interested to see if they can now "Innovate" now that they can't collaborate between their operating system and operations. Now that they can't hide calls in their operating system fo r their applications to use, I will be interested to see if their applications will be as fast. Also, now that their applications will not be solely linked to their operating system, will we be seeing ports to other OSs? Will billy boy start programming for Linux instead of their OS? To increase their marketing base?
JoeLinux
These are My opinions. They will not be Your opinions until the orbital mind control lasers are in place.
Actually, I looked it up online, as I was curious about whether or not Commodus was an actual Caesar. Turns out, he was, and did often go into the Colloseum (sp?). In fact, he was killed when the senate conspired, and hired an athlete to kill him in the ring.
Maximus, (Note: NOT the Maximus who was a Caesar.) was a little-known person who through by some unknown reason, took control of a segment of the army, and defeated a number of German posts. Don't ask me for the URLs, this was done after MANY MANY hours of online looking.
As an Electrical/Computer, I readily admit that IEEE has made some REALLY stupid standardizations in the past. Look up what they use for and and or gates in terms of notation...it sucks...
Apple is not a hardware manufacturer at all. I talked recently to a Macintosh Dealer at a local trade show, and he said that all the Apple hardware these days is outsourced to IBM and Motorola. Even the cases are outsourced to a different company. So, the moral of the story? If it says Mac, and you can smack it with a baseball bat, Apple didn't make it.
JoeLinux
...A corpse is a corpse a corpse of course, and no one can talk to a corps of course, unless that corpse just happens to be the Democratic Presidential Candidate for 2000.
I assume this means that Netscape 4.6 supports HTTP 1.1, if everybody has had it, and this is just an official pat on the head. Am I right?
Just curious,
Joe
...Software Programmers are constantly trying to come up with the next best idiot proof software. The Universe, in the meantime, is trying to come up with the best idiot. So far the Universe is winning.
kill-9 in linux means "shut down this program, regardless of whatever state it is in. Do not wait for it go down gracefully or normally. Crash it like NT running on a Pentium 90."
Wasn't this supposed to link to the new Open Source QT library? Or not? I'm confused. Or is the next version of QT supposed to be Open Source? (Or the semi-open source that they made in their own license.)
I think the article is very true when it says that Red Hat can't hijack the LSB. But I think that "GLIBC 2.1 is the standard" is stupid. If it had been something like, "The GNU libraries will be standard" or even a basis for finding the next common library, it would have been a little more reasonable. Like, what happens when GLIBC 3.0 comes out? Break LSB? (I prefer Linus Standard DISTRIBUTION, personally.:) ) In that case, if LSB is going to be broken every time that something new comes along, it won't be very powerful, now will it? It will Microsoft innovation, and limit people's choices.
I think that certain guildlines as to places to store things will be helpful, especially for new users (I.E. all config files go in etc, network stuff in rc.inet1, etc.) but sometimes they aren't followed, which starts a little confusion, (I.E. SysV-style config stuff in Red Hat, and BSD format in Slackware.) Being a moderate Linux user, I can see the reasoning behind wanting a standard way of doing things. By the same token, part of the advantages of Linux is its ability to change to each individual user, right down to the X server front-end you decide to use. So, choice should be available.
Libraries should be decided by popular concencus, not by decree. That is the essential of the Cathedral Vs. Bazaar essay. when you have a commitee deciding things for everyone, you have the first brick of a Cathedral. Fair though it purports, it still will not help unless it can be flexible to support the popular opinion of the people. We need a revival tent, not a Cathedral. And for that, we need lean, flexible poles. LGPL the stakes needed to provide the tension needed. The advantage is that many more people can be covered, and all can participate. Deciding by popular concencus also avoids code forks, as the people who can make it better, faster, easier will survive. When you have a commitee saying, "GLIBC 2.1 is the library you will use", and someone comes out with a kick-a@@ library, what are you going to do? You have two options: Break LSB, or go with the crappy library. Both hurt Linux. I mean, GNU recently decided to change official COMPILERS for goodness sakes (A good decision was made in that case, I might add. LONG LIVE EGCS!!) When you have that radical of a change, anything is possible. That is why Linux will continue to code circles around a certain Redmond-based Company: We are too damned fast for them to compete. So, we need to be able to switch anything as it becomes better. Just make sure everyone can use it readily, and Linux will continue on its meteoric rise to the top.
...What goes up must come down. Ask any Network Admin
Microsoft doesn't make their mice or joysticks...they subcontract them out to Logitech or Kensington...can't remember which...that is why they are so good.
JoeLinux
...to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion.
Since a lot of people with blowtorches are going to be coming through here, maybe I can redirect you. On this site, someone has started a Gnome Vs. KDE flame war. If you want to vent and simply flame, maybe this would be a place to do it, and leave poor Rob's server alone. BTW...Gnome was dogged first, just so you know.
...Never ask an Electrical Engineer why, just nod your head and back away slowly.
Slashdot Mirror
Not to sound ignorant or anything, but wasn't this whole trial about M$ illegally bundling their browser? I mean, yes, some other things were brought out (thank goodness), but it all started and centered around that, right?
JoeLinux
I would be interested to see if they can now "Innovate" now that they can't collaborate between their operating system and operations. Now that they can't hide calls in their operating system fo r their applications to use, I will be interested to see if their applications will be as fast. Also, now that their applications will not be solely linked to their operating system, will we be seeing ports to other OSs? Will billy boy start programming for Linux instead of their OS? To increase their marketing base?
JoeLinux
These are My opinions. They will not be Your opinions until the orbital mind control lasers are in place.
Actually, I looked it up online, as I was curious about whether or not Commodus was an actual Caesar. Turns out, he was, and did often go into the Colloseum (sp?). In fact, he was killed when the senate conspired, and hired an athlete to kill him in the ring.
Maximus, (Note: NOT the Maximus who was a Caesar.) was a little-known person who through by some unknown reason, took control of a segment of the army, and defeated a number of German posts. Don't ask me for the URLs, this was done after MANY MANY hours of online looking.
Joe Carnes
I need to get a grep on reality.
Dick? going along with the "randy pegnguin" theory of Linus'? I always thought that that joke never got taken full advantage of.
JoeLinux
You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
As an Electrical/Computer, I readily admit that IEEE has made some REALLY stupid standardizations in the past. Look up what they use for and and or gates in terms of notation...it sucks...
JoeLinux
Apple is not a hardware manufacturer at all. I talked recently to a Macintosh Dealer at a local trade show, and he said that all the Apple hardware these days is outsourced to IBM and Motorola. Even the cases are outsourced to a different company. So, the moral of the story? If it says Mac, and you can smack it with a baseball bat, Apple didn't make it.
JoeLinux
...A corpse is a corpse a corpse of course, and no one can talk to a corps of course, unless that corpse just happens to be the Democratic Presidential Candidate for 2000.
It's micros~1, not Microsoft~1, unless M$ has come out with a 11.3 system naming convention.
JoeLinux
...the preceding statement was brought to you by the word GNU, the letter X, and beer.
I assume this means that Netscape 4.6 supports HTTP 1.1, if everybody has had it, and this is just an official pat on the head. Am I right?
Just curious,
Joe
...Software Programmers are constantly trying to come up with the next best idiot proof software. The Universe, in the meantime, is trying to come up with the best idiot.
So far the Universe is winning.
kill-9 in linux means "shut down this program, regardless of whatever state it is in. Do not wait for it go down gracefully or normally. Crash it like NT running on a Pentium 90."
Joelinux
Wasn't this supposed to link to the new Open Source QT library? Or not? I'm confused. Or is the next version of QT supposed to be Open Source? (Or the semi-open source that they made in their own license.)
...Life's not fair, but the root password helps
More jobs for the rest of us! And probably better paying too ('cause we'll be in demand!) :)
I think the article is very true when it says that Red Hat can't hijack the LSB. But I think that "GLIBC 2.1 is the standard" is stupid. If it had been something like, "The GNU libraries will be standard" or even a basis for finding the next common library, it would have been a little more reasonable. Like, what happens when GLIBC 3.0 comes out? Break LSB? (I prefer Linus Standard DISTRIBUTION, personally. :) ) In that case, if LSB is going to be broken every time that something new comes along, it won't be very powerful, now will it? It will Microsoft innovation, and limit people's choices.
I think that certain guildlines as to places to store things will be helpful, especially for new users (I.E. all config files go in etc, network stuff in rc.inet1, etc.) but sometimes they aren't followed, which starts a little confusion, (I.E. SysV-style config stuff in Red Hat, and BSD format in Slackware.) Being a moderate Linux user, I can see the reasoning behind wanting a standard way of doing things. By the same token, part of the advantages of Linux is its ability to change to each individual user, right down to the X server front-end you decide to use. So, choice should be available.
Libraries should be decided by popular concencus, not by decree. That is the essential of the Cathedral Vs. Bazaar essay. when you have a commitee deciding things for everyone, you have the first brick of a Cathedral. Fair though it purports, it still will not help unless it can be flexible to support the popular opinion of the people. We need a revival tent, not a Cathedral. And for that, we need lean, flexible poles. LGPL the stakes needed to provide the tension needed. The advantage is that many more people can be covered, and all can participate. Deciding by popular concencus also avoids code forks, as the people who can make it better, faster, easier will survive. When you have a commitee saying, "GLIBC 2.1 is the library you will use", and someone comes out with a kick-a@@ library, what are you going to do? You have two options: Break LSB, or go with the crappy library. Both hurt Linux. I mean, GNU recently decided to change official COMPILERS for goodness sakes (A good decision was made in that case, I might add. LONG LIVE EGCS!!) When you have that radical of a change, anything is possible. That is why Linux will continue to code circles around a certain Redmond-based Company: We are too damned fast for them to compete. So, we need to be able to switch anything as it becomes better. Just make sure everyone can use it readily, and Linux will continue on its meteoric rise to the top.
...What goes up must come down. Ask any Network Admin
Microsoft doesn't make their mice or joysticks...they subcontract them out to Logitech or Kensington...can't remember which...that is why they are so good.
JoeLinux
...to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion.
Since a lot of people with blowtorches are going to be coming through here, maybe I can redirect you. On this site, someone has started a Gnome Vs. KDE flame war. If you want to vent and simply flame, maybe this would be a place to do it, and leave poor Rob's server alone. BTW...Gnome was dogged first, just so you know.
...Never ask an Electrical Engineer why, just nod your head and back away slowly.