slashdot has done it again, another stupid question.
1 - if you've been programming VB and never realised you were doing microsoft stuff(exclusively) then kill yourself. shoot your weener.
2 - otoh if you've decided msft is not good enough, then learn C and you'll be ready to program for any platform out there
3 - uh, what the heck...you dig VB...well just shoot yourself anyway
4 - GOTO 1
END
Why can't these people name anything right? Gnome, Bonobo, Druid, Daemon, GREP, TRUP, HIP, YUK, SMACK, LICK just what the heck...no wonder Microsoft is taking over....
Well I said the same thing about Yahoo! few years back...perhaps I'm wrong?
This bonehobo guy's son must be called Midget Smith, his wife Uga.....
Now I have to think 39 times before downloading it....Uh hi there, I am downloading Kosovo..no no...uh Bozo, no uh Bonoboo...it's this cool useful thing that..SNIP......yeah whatever...
Mainly sed and awk offer little support for modules or libraries. Perl was born off of the need for sed and awk.
But just since somebody wrote an assembler in BASH I truly believe you can do without perl... Of course most of us have a life...and perl will get things done faster and in more elegant ways than sh/awk/sed
Some things don't change whether they're in core or out of it. Think instantiation of classes. There will be an instance for every object/package and an interpreter core region for each. I might agree that since the OO is in core it is loaded sooner, but not faster.
I agree that perl inheritance is one huge patch, but exactly does it do wrong? Use an array to find parents and children? What's wrong there, really? It is different and Larry always bragged about perl OO being just different. Java won't allow multiple inheritance, C++ will, and perl uses and array for inheritance and the word "class" isn't there, it's different but how is this going to be corrected when there's nothing wrong with it.
I do give Larry all the credit in the world, and who I am to be the critic, but I don't think perl needs changing. It needs improvement on what's already there. Make it faster, provide better compiling support for commercial applications, add functions, make some extremely popular and well tested modules a part of the core, and so on.... Please let it be clear that although I started this thread saying "Larry is out of his mind" I do respect him and have chosen perl for more than the language, I also chose it for the people that use it and for the discussions that it brings about:)) I just hope this doesn't end up like java, really....
Yeah I read it....but listen this isn't perl! So perl will not be perl and we just broke one RFC...
As I don't know how thingies get casted from one type to the next in perl guts I don't know how much faster the objects will be for type conversion. If I had to take a shot, I'd say slower.
Anyway, I hate to see perl go true OO and "fix" all the little things that don't need fixing. Do you want to be geeky like python programmers(oh man, I'm outta here now...)?
Blah! Enough writing on/. today.....but yeah I hope Larry makes the right choices there...
JF
First, since "basic" data types in perl are internally complex data structures...
I understood what you tried to say, but let me tell you one thing, C++ objects are little more than complex structures.
C++ is slower to compile, but you only compile once. You see there'll be a penalty for perl every run and not just once. So in perl the fact that it becomes OO has longer lasting consequence.
What is amazing about OO in C++ is the mangling of names that end up in libraries with 200 character identifiers. In perl we got packages and blessed thingies - why change that? You saw the part on perl5/6 compatibility? I dropped java because there is more than one version, the best browsers won't run the code from the latest SDK's(whatever, JDK) and I felt Sun was messing a great idea up. Also I can't think of anything slower than the latest java machines. So back to perl, I fear perl will be slower, clumsier and unstable just like java.
The CPAN is becoming a mess, and that is leaving me perl-paranoid - am I loosing my favorite language? See for example the Gtk modules. Doing a CPAN installation with the shell you get Gtk. Then you have to go to your.cpan/build dir to make Gnome. Otherwise you don't get Gnome. See the Net::IRC module, it has some code by Nat Torkington, or so the authors claim. Everyone knows Nat is a great perl programmer, but I took the time to read the source and geez....what a mess....is that the kind of libraries being allowed in CPAN?
I think we might be loosing it. I want a snapshot of perl and CPAN from January 2001, I don't need more than that....like I said perl will be perl5.
All this theory and NT crashes at least once a week on the sites I run....
What's an operating system that claims to be enterprise-capable doing with built in joystick drivers? Why does the GUI run in ring 0 if the system is meant to run server software ?
I don't think NT was meant for a server.
Larry is out of his mind. He's creating perl++ and he's accepting the anti-UNIX pro-BLOAT RFC's. I confess I never expected that from him.
- Everything will be an object.
This is ridiculous. I always chose C over C++, now I'm choosing perl5 over 6. Period. I'm a perl5 monger(brasilia.pm.org) now. There'll be perl6 mongers. I'll call them the PERL BLOATERS. I can write better perl with perl5.
- 'package' means perl5 otherwise 'use perl6';
A FCKING PATCH. MICROSOFT STYLE, LARRY. Go for it.
- Perl will stay perl.
Uhuh. And we're all stupid and can't tell. Perl 5 is PERL, 6 is PERL++.
Conclusions
Yeah, just like Samba we're going to see 2 perls from now on. I'm sticking with 5. Most will move to 6.
Fine with me. Just glad I dig perl 5. If others agree just show you do by writing better perl 5!!!!
Is Linux something like Office? Does it have a dancing paperclip? I tried to install Linux but it was black and white....isn't Linux supposed to be better than MS Word? Then why was it all black and white?
eval{
Troll: "Hihihihihihihihiihhuhuhuhhahahahahahahahahaha"
}
Also, what is FreeBUD you talk so much about? Where do you guys get free stuff? Why do you compare beer and Linux?
eval{
Troll: "HUHUHUHIHIHIHIHHIHHIHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH"
}
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hi, well i've heard of a certain hyperlight antenna that supposedly sends data faster than light. it is on the ibm site for strange patents if you care to search.
but the light phenomenon you just explained is a bit too sci-fi to me...anyway i dropped my physics course to program computers, so i guarantee you i don't know what i am talking about.
an engineer told me the antenna worked internally faster than light, but in the end the transmission from one point to another added up to something close but slower than light.
still einstein hasn't been proved wrong. if there's ever concrete proof of speeds higher than light a lot of what einstein did will have to be reviewed, possibly for being dead wrong in his basic assumptions!!! he based everything in a constant speed of light - the c of mc2.
i guess you know all this...just wanted to point out i'd seen such an antenna...
Hi, well I think we're sharing common ideas. Obviously I am not the history expert you are. Excuse this programmer's lack of culture.
You were correct regarding the dates. I humbly withdraw my comment.
Regards,
J.
how theoretical....your own NSA, secret service, and pentagon eat your constitution for lunch every single day.
your utopic dissertation is quite innacurate mostly everywhere.
a constitution rules the State in which it is valid, no use going into rights, duties, whatever for worldwide peace...pure theory.
tell the french to follow your constitution! it doesn't work. different cultures have different values. you can't kill a cow in India, whereas in Texas it is perfectly legitimate to eat one pound steak in the morning if you wish.
Profit used to be banned in China. Their culture is more religious and conservative than american. How can you make speculation look good in China after thousands of years of economy that ignored the western world? Profit, commerce and money are the basis for our western world. Not there. How do you enforce a French-based constitution there?
Need I mention Israel? Need I mention Cuba? Humanity, rights and law are complicated. Therefore, I think your ideas are nice, but they don't reflect reality.
The American Constitution is a beautiful piece of work. And it has been working for Americans (except in elections) for over 200 years. It is a piece of work derived from a lot of blood and pain in Europe in the 18th century. The french revolution killed thousands. The russian revolutions killed thousands. Rome, greece, all in there in blood and knowledge.
So slowly we will make the world a better place. But don't overestimate your constitution's powers. As an example it is very valid anywhere. As a document, only within american soil.
Take care.
Damn are you a complete retard?
1st - It is PERL not a pearl.
2nd - Spanish is what they speak in Miami, where your half elected president got coughmmm coughm mm elected.
3rd - I have lost too much time with an Anonymous Coward.
Take care McJunkie
And it is not math, it is one good american invention called Regular Expression and used with another good american invention called PERL.
Yeah, perhaps the USA does have some good stuff...
You suck though. Up yours, once more!
OK, you don't say your name, so I'll jut call you chicken.
Hey chicken, the Web is not american, neither is Linux nor YOUR OWN LANGUAGE.
Hey chicken, if America blows up we can still use Al Gore's invention (didn't he invent the internet?).
We have paved roads up to your wife's house, where we score while you suck on coffe in some McDonalds management room.
Get a life, fat ass american looser.
Post your name chicken
If Ferraris were made in US we wouldnt buy them.
$BSB = Blowme Sonofa B*tch;
$USA =~ s!people!sh[i]t!;
Go learn elections, then learn of the world.
P[U]ssy.
Oh finally, thank you Zealot for one intelligent comment.
I can't believe so many people actually criticized this initiative.
F*ck Pfizer, and the fools criticizing the improvement of Brasil.
I mean, yeah, there aren't any Ferraris in Brazil you know....you have to be really wealthy to buy a $200 piece of american crap anywhere but in the US.
You see the US is the only place to be man! You have to be wealthy to live outside the US, where all sorts of 7 headed beasts will eat you up for lunch.
Europe? Comunist.
Brazil? Poor.
US? Gov. oppression + violent racism.
I'd stick with either comunism or poor, rather than have a IRS like yours, a president like yours, a surveillance scheme(NSA) like yours, and FOOD like yours.
Up yours.
Slashdot Mirror
The so called netherbot went and killed my bot.
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da PERL
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Camera
slashdot has done it again, another stupid question.
1 - if you've been programming VB and never realised you were doing microsoft stuff(exclusively) then kill yourself. shoot your weener.
2 - otoh if you've decided msft is not good enough, then learn C and you'll be ready to program for any platform out there
3 - uh, what the heck...you dig VB...well just shoot yourself anyway
4 - GOTO 1
END
You stronzo works....
That's portuguese you pendejo.
slashdot is dissapointing time after time.....what the heck do i care about underwater crap?
Why can't these people name anything right? Gnome, Bonobo, Druid, Daemon, GREP, TRUP, HIP, YUK, SMACK, LICK just what the heck...no wonder Microsoft is taking over....
...uh Bozo, no uh Bonoboo...it's this cool useful thing that..SNIP.. ....yeah whatever...
Well I said the same thing about Yahoo! few years back...perhaps I'm wrong?
This bonehobo guy's son must be called Midget Smith, his wife Uga.....
Now I have to think 39 times before downloading it....Uh hi there, I am downloading Kosovo..no no
Mainly sed and awk offer little support for modules or libraries. Perl was born off of the need for sed and awk.
But just since somebody wrote an assembler in BASH I truly believe you can do without perl...
Of course most of us have a life...and perl will get things done faster and in more elegant ways than sh/awk/sed
Some things don't change whether they're in core or out of it. Think instantiation of classes. There will be an instance for every object/package and an interpreter core region for each. I might agree that since the OO is in core it is loaded sooner, but not faster.
:))
I agree that perl inheritance is one huge patch, but exactly does it do wrong? Use an array to find parents and children? What's wrong there, really? It is different and Larry always bragged about perl OO being just different. Java won't allow multiple inheritance, C++ will, and perl uses and array for inheritance and the word "class" isn't there, it's different but how is this going to be corrected when there's nothing wrong with it.
I do give Larry all the credit in the world, and who I am to be the critic, but I don't think perl needs changing. It needs improvement on what's already there. Make it faster, provide better compiling support for commercial applications, add functions, make some extremely popular and well tested modules a part of the core, and so on.... Please let it be clear that although I started this thread saying "Larry is out of his mind" I do respect him and have chosen perl for more than the language, I also chose it for the people that use it and for the discussions that it brings about
I just hope this doesn't end up like java, really....
Yeah I read it....but listen this isn't perl! So perl will not be perl and we just broke one RFC...
/. today.....but yeah I hope Larry makes the right choices there...
JF
As I don't know how thingies get casted from one type to the next in perl guts I don't know how much faster the objects will be for type conversion. If I had to take a shot, I'd say slower.
Anyway, I hate to see perl go true OO and "fix" all the little things that don't need fixing. Do you want to be geeky like python programmers(oh man, I'm outta here now...)?
Blah! Enough writing on
First, since "basic" data types in perl are internally complex data structures...
.cpan/build dir to make Gnome. Otherwise you don't get Gnome.
I understood what you tried to say, but let me tell you one thing, C++ objects are little more than complex structures.
C++ is slower to compile, but you only compile once. You see there'll be a penalty for perl every run and not just once. So in perl the fact that it becomes OO has longer lasting consequence.
What is amazing about OO in C++ is the mangling of names that end up in libraries with 200 character identifiers. In perl we got packages and blessed thingies - why change that? You saw the part on perl5/6 compatibility? I dropped java because there is more than one version, the best browsers won't run the code from the latest SDK's(whatever, JDK) and I felt Sun was messing a great idea up. Also I can't think of anything slower than the latest java machines.
So back to perl, I fear perl will be slower, clumsier and unstable just like java.
The CPAN is becoming a mess, and that is leaving me perl-paranoid - am I loosing my favorite language?
See for example the Gtk modules. Doing a CPAN installation with the shell you get Gtk. Then you have to go to your
See the Net::IRC module, it has some code by Nat Torkington, or so the authors claim. Everyone knows Nat is a great perl programmer, but I took the time to read the source and geez....what a mess....is that the kind of libraries being allowed in CPAN?
I think we might be loosing it. I want a snapshot of perl and CPAN from January 2001, I don't need more than that....like I said perl will be perl5.
Well...americans were pretty smart for Clinton now how did THIS happen?
Making one great piece of software that needs little or no change does not mean the next to come will be an improvement.
Of course, you might argue, presidents have little to do with software.
All this theory and NT crashes at least once a week on the sites I run.... What's an operating system that claims to be enterprise-capable doing with built in joystick drivers? Why does the GUI run in ring 0 if the system is meant to run server software ? I don't think NT was meant for a server.
Larry is out of his mind. He's creating perl++ and he's accepting the anti-UNIX pro-BLOAT RFC's. I confess I never expected that from him.
- Everything will be an object.
This is ridiculous. I always chose C over C++, now I'm choosing perl5 over 6. Period. I'm a perl5 monger(brasilia.pm.org) now. There'll be perl6 mongers. I'll call them the PERL BLOATERS. I can write better perl with perl5.
- 'package' means perl5 otherwise 'use perl6';
A FCKING PATCH. MICROSOFT STYLE, LARRY. Go for it.
- Perl will stay perl.
Uhuh. And we're all stupid and can't tell. Perl 5 is PERL, 6 is PERL++.
Conclusions
Yeah, just like Samba we're going to see 2 perls from now on. I'm sticking with 5. Most will move to 6.
Fine with me. Just glad I dig perl 5. If others agree just show you do by writing better perl 5!!!!
Is Linux something like Office? Does it have a dancing paperclip? I tried to install Linux but it was black and white....isn't Linux supposed to be better than MS Word? Then why was it all black and white? eval{ Troll: "Hihihihihihihihiihhuhuhuhhahahahahahahahahaha" } Also, what is FreeBUD you talk so much about? Where do you guys get free stuff? Why do you compare beer and Linux? eval{ Troll: "HUHUHUHIHIHIHIHHIHHIHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH" }
but the light phenomenon you just explained is a bit too sci-fi to me...anyway i dropped my physics course to program computers, so i guarantee you i don't know what i am talking about.
an engineer told me the antenna worked internally faster than light, but in the end the transmission from one point to another added up to something close but slower than light.
still einstein hasn't been proved wrong. if there's ever concrete proof of speeds higher than light a lot of what einstein did will have to be reviewed, possibly for being dead wrong in his basic assumptions!!! he based everything in a constant speed of light - the c of mc2.
i guess you know all this...just wanted to point out i'd seen such an antenna...
Hi, well I think we're sharing common ideas. Obviously I am not the history expert you are. Excuse this programmer's lack of culture. You were correct regarding the dates. I humbly withdraw my comment. Regards, J.
how theoretical....your own NSA, secret service, and pentagon eat your constitution for lunch every single day. your utopic dissertation is quite innacurate mostly everywhere. a constitution rules the State in which it is valid, no use going into rights, duties, whatever for worldwide peace ...pure theory.
tell the french to follow your constitution! it doesn't work. different cultures have different values. you can't kill a cow in India, whereas in Texas it is perfectly legitimate to eat one pound steak in the morning if you wish.
Profit used to be banned in China. Their culture is more religious and conservative than american. How can you make speculation look good in China after thousands of years of economy that ignored the western world? Profit, commerce and money are the basis for our western world. Not there. How do you enforce a French-based constitution there?
Need I mention Israel? Need I mention Cuba? Humanity, rights and law are complicated. Therefore, I think your ideas are nice, but they don't reflect reality.
The American Constitution is a beautiful piece of work. And it has been working for Americans (except in elections) for over 200 years. It is a piece of work derived from a lot of blood and pain in Europe in the 18th century. The french revolution killed thousands. The russian revolutions killed thousands. Rome, greece, all in there in blood and knowledge.
So slowly we will make the world a better place. But don't overestimate your constitution's powers. As an example it is very valid anywhere. As a document, only within american soil.
Take care.
Damn are you a complete retard? 1st - It is PERL not a pearl. 2nd - Spanish is what they speak in Miami, where your half elected president got coughmmm coughm mm elected. 3rd - I have lost too much time with an Anonymous Coward. Take care McJunkie
And it is not math, it is one good american invention called Regular Expression and used with another good american invention called PERL. Yeah, perhaps the USA does have some good stuff... You suck though. Up yours, once more!
OK, you don't say your name, so I'll jut call you chicken. Hey chicken, the Web is not american, neither is Linux nor YOUR OWN LANGUAGE. Hey chicken, if America blows up we can still use Al Gore's invention (didn't he invent the internet?). We have paved roads up to your wife's house, where we score while you suck on coffe in some McDonalds management room. Get a life, fat ass american looser.
Post your name chicken If Ferraris were made in US we wouldnt buy them. $BSB = Blowme Sonofa B*tch; $USA =~ s!people!sh[i]t!; Go learn elections, then learn of the world. P[U]ssy.
Oh finally, thank you Zealot for one intelligent comment. I can't believe so many people actually criticized this initiative. F*ck Pfizer, and the fools criticizing the improvement of Brasil.
I mean, yeah, there aren't any Ferraris in Brazil you know....you have to be really wealthy to buy a $200 piece of american crap anywhere but in the US. You see the US is the only place to be man! You have to be wealthy to live outside the US, where all sorts of 7 headed beasts will eat you up for lunch. Europe? Comunist. Brazil? Poor. US? Gov. oppression + violent racism. I'd stick with either comunism or poor, rather than have a IRS like yours, a president like yours, a surveillance scheme(NSA) like yours, and FOOD like yours. Up yours.