Well, I do believe you, but I also don't know quite how it would be done. Act of Congress, I suppose. I'd wager (a very small amount) there's no statute on the books about it -- we tend to either imprison or execute, not exile.
As for G P'O, I'm having a little trouble getting details (based on an exhaustive 5-minute Google search -- I'd never heard of him, I'm afraid.) It looks like he's been told that he'll do time if he returns, which to me makes him an unpursued fugitive, not an exile per se, but I'm not clear on this one. Crowley apparently died in England, but perhaps he re-entered the country illegally.
Well, perhaps people should listen more, and remember that America didn't actually invent evil. I grabbed this from the Federation of American Scientists:
Some of the specific cases are shocking. According to a recent New York Times article by Peter Schweizer, `between 1987 and 1989, French intelligence planted moles in several U.S. companies, including IBM. In the fall of 1991, a French intelligence team attempted to steal `stealth' technology from Lockheed.' Other accounts report that French intelligence units conduct 10 to 15 break-ins every day at large hotels in Paris to copy documents that belong to businessmen, journalists, and diplomats. According to other accounts, the French have been hiding listening devices on Air France flights in order to pick up useful economic information from business travelers.
But hell, you can search Google for "industrial espionage france" just as well as I can. Do I have first-hand knowledge of any of this? Hardly. Is it possible that the same people who blew the bottom out of a Greenpeace boat might play hardball elsewhere? Yup.
Are you suggesting that the US would simultaneously detain and deport somebody? Neat trick -- we throw them out but don't let them leave.
Deportation is the ejection of a foreign national. Depriving an American of citizenship would be an entirely different matter, and I'm not even sure that can be done. The only instances I can recall involved those who accepted citizenship elsewhere, and were held to have therefore given up US citizenship.
Well, if you're not simply being sarcastic, look it up. I can't say that it's true from personal experience -- I hardly ever leave Maryland, much less go abroad -- but there have been persistent charges for quite some time that the French government supports their commercial enterprises with espionage, that things like sealed bids may not be secret if one of the bidders is a French company.
Frankly it makes a fair amount of sense, which is the only reason I have my doubts as to the US doing the same.
Maybe they're not reporting it because all it really says is that they are considering threatening to return some of the suspects to their home countries and less-enlightened legal systems. In fact, I'm not sure where that lead graph comes from; the closest thing I can find in the body of the article is:
Under US law, evidence extracted using physical pressure or torture is inadmissible in court and interrogators could also face criminal charges for employing such methods. However, investigators suggested that the time might soon come when a truth serum, such as sodium pentothal, would be deemed an acceptable tool for interrogators.
The public pressure for results in the war on terrorism might also persuade the FBI to encourage the countries of suspects to seek their extradition, in the knowledge that they could be given a much rougher reception in jails back home.
And what's with the last paragraph -- did that just fit the space or something?
I think the act of one company spying on a company for competitive advantage is related to, but distinct from, the act of a government spying upon another government. Certainly the law views the two quite differently (the people from GM who covertly take pictures of Fords at the test track are rarely executed.) It could just as easily have been called "commercial espionage", but that's a distinction without much of a difference.
Then there's the borderline case of a government spying on a commercial enterprise on behalf of other companies. The French government has often been accused of this. This might be best described as "economic espionage".
I used that slide film for a class some years back (which is where I imagine most of it goes), and while I'm sure the instructor chose it because we could use our own cameras, we didn't have to learn darkroom procedures, and we could see results quickly (not really "instantly", of course), I rather liked the results. They were a bit soft, but I remember I particularly liked the way black skintones came out.
The "vastly superior" Handle!? I don't remember the film being significantly better, and the cameras...
Go down to your local Salvation Army and look around -- you'll often find a Handle kicking around. It'll be about 8 inches tall and almost rectangular, with a viewfinder and yes, most have a crank on the side -- hence the name. It has all the quality feeling of an Instamatic.
Now go find an SX-70. Granted that it's weird in the hand, but it's also a by-God SLR, it collapses down to almost nothing, and it's kind of cool just to watch it unfold. It's usually brushed chrome, mine at least has leather facings, and it just feels well-made. It's no Leica, but it's not a Swinger either. Ansel Adams had one, and I don't recall his ever endorsing any other picture boxes or film.
But management knows that the buses are always lurking out there, waiting to run down vital staffmembers.
Guys who are happy as clams still change jobs sometimes. He might win the Lotto. His wife might get transferred to Paris. God might speak to him on the way to work one morning, tell him to put down the umbrella and go build an ark...
Actually, we did declare war on Germany, and Italy too, although you're correct that they (the former, at least) declared war first. Why they did so is unclear to me -- the Axis pact was, as I recall, for mutual defense, and didn't require Germany to participate in Japan's aggression.
My guess would be that Hitler was just fed up with our bogus neutrality, what with Lend / Lease and all that. Yeah, here we go:
The Government of the United States having violated in the most flagrant manner and in ever increasing measure all rules of neutrality in favor of the adversaries of Germany and having continually been guilty of the most severe provocations toward Germany ever since the outbreak of the European war, provoked by the British declaration of war against Germany on September 3, 1939, has finally resorted to open military acts of aggression...
The German Government, consequently, discontinues diplomatic relations with the United States of America and declares that under these circumstances brought about by President Roosevelt Germany too, as from today, considers herself as being in a state of war with the United States of America.
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I though the IgNobels were supposed to be about outright silly research. Maybe it's just me, but what's so silly about the coconut thing? I never thought about it much because I live in Baltimore, where we don't have a lot of coconut palms, but yeah, if the damned trees run to 35 meters in height, then that's roughly a coconut dropping off a ten-story building. I'd be damned surprized if that didn't injure anybody who happened to be standing below. If he's right that it's 2.5% of the trauma cases he sees, that's not entirely trivial (just for comparison, does anybody know what percentage of trauma admissions are for injuries from lightning?)
Oh, and if you visit New Guinea and there's a storm -- don't take shelter beneath a palm tree.
I assume you're trolling, but what the hell -- bin Laden's been giving our intelligence people fits, in large part because he not only doesn't use encrypted email, he doesn't use email. He avoids telephones. He seems to favour couriers: real, physical people traveling in meat space with messages they've memorized. Go figure.
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Nah, 'cause even back then she was a beautiful and famous star and you'd still be...well, let's just say NOT a beautiful and famous star.
Christ, all he said was that some things didn't work. What do you want him to do -- lie about it?
He said they were hacked up drivers. He didn't say that Apple had been remiss, or that 10.1 was inferior, or that anybody's mother wears Army boots, just that some things had trouble, and that if you hadn't heard about them it was 'cause you weren't looking in the right places.
He might even have been making a suggestion there, pointing out that the traditionally helpful Apple user community might have useful insights. Apparently the traditionally defensive Apple user community doesn't.
Yes, it involves a physical transfer of an object, be it a paper pad or a CD-ROM. There is risk inherent in such a transfer, more risk, perhaps, than in an email or bulletin board post.
Note, however, that Robet Hanson transferred data through physical drops many times, as did Rudolf Abel (just the first two I could think of.) Espionage has been quite practical for thousands of years without any electronics at all.
For most of us, "practical" would correspond roughly with "safe". Things with high risk would be impractical. We wouldn't commute to work using a method that frequently resulted in injury, for instance, so we wouldn't go to work by jumping from an aircraft at 500 feet in moonless darkness, whereas the Rangers find this approach quite practical. They know that groundfire is more dangerous to them than tree branches, and spies and terrorists know that the most dangerous weapon against them is a dime (well, it's fifty cents in many places now, but "dropping two quarters" doesn't flow as well as "dropping a dime" on somebody), not a computer. Nine times out of ten, spies get caught because somebody rats them out or they do something really dumb, like get drunk and boast about it.
If you're caught, you're caught, and the only remaining risk (cryptographically speaking) is to the messages you've already sent. The OTP pages that you've already used you have, of course, flushed / burned / eaten / whatever, so they are no longer available, and yes of course there are authentication codes within the message (nothing especially elaborate is needed, since your opposition has none of the previous messages, so mentioning Charlie Brown and Snoopy in alternate messages is probably about as much as you need). By contrast, unless you sleep with that calculator in your hand, I wouldn't be so sure that the memory would be erased when the FBI comes through your doors and windows at 3 AM.
I need to take off my shoes to deal with numbers higher than 10, so I don't know about the precise relative security of various algorithms. I do know that it shifts over time, that methods thought secure five years ago are considered dodgy now, and that plans may take five years or more to mature. If I had that bomb hidden in Battery Park, and the FBI had my messages from 1996 describing its location, would they still be completely secure? What was the standard in '96, and just how many calculations could have been performed in those 5 years? (Let's see, 5 years is some 31,557,600,000,000,000 ticks of a 200 MHz Pentium chugging away at the problem ever since, assuming that they just grabbed a box off the shelf at CompuUSA and never upgraded, never mind a Cray or something.) You sure they couldn't have cracked a message sent back then?
Actually, they probably do, or at least I could never see any geographical reason to divide Europe from Asia. Cultural reasons aplenty, but it all looks like the same landmass to me.
But of course, then we'd have one less continent and the world would start to feel cramped. Hell, there'd probably be a war over it.:)
Got it. Come to think of it, a better term doesn't leap to mind.
I remember reading about a test performed early in the space program. Guy lives in a pure O2 atmosphere for several days, see if he gets all giggly and stuff. Things go great until the ceiling light burns out. Hot bulb, so he grabs a towel and reaches up to change it -- WHOOSH! burning towel, burning sleeve, burning arm, until they crack the hatch and foam him.
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As for G P'O, I'm having a little trouble getting details (based on an exhaustive 5-minute Google search -- I'd never heard of him, I'm afraid.) It looks like he's been told that he'll do time if he returns, which to me makes him an unpursued fugitive, not an exile per se, but I'm not clear on this one. Crowley apparently died in England, but perhaps he re-entered the country illegally.
But hell, you can search Google for "industrial espionage france" just as well as I can. Do I have first-hand knowledge of any of this? Hardly. Is it possible that the same people who blew the bottom out of a Greenpeace boat might play hardball elsewhere? Yup.
Deportation is the ejection of a foreign national. Depriving an American of citizenship would be an entirely different matter, and I'm not even sure that can be done. The only instances I can recall involved those who accepted citizenship elsewhere, and were held to have therefore given up US citizenship.
Frankly it makes a fair amount of sense, which is the only reason I have my doubts as to the US doing the same.
And what's with the last paragraph -- did that just fit the space or something?
Well, whether I mind depends. How good-looking is your wife?
I think the act of one company spying on a company for competitive advantage is related to, but distinct from, the act of a government spying upon another government. Certainly the law views the two quite differently (the people from GM who covertly take pictures of Fords at the test track are rarely executed.) It could just as easily have been called "commercial espionage", but that's a distinction without much of a difference.
Then there's the borderline case of a government spying on a commercial enterprise on behalf of other companies. The French government has often been accused of this. This might be best described as "economic espionage".
Yeah! My goblins are 100% real!
In a civil case? Since when? So far as I know there's no legal right to an attorney unless you're up against the state.
I used that slide film for a class some years back (which is where I imagine most of it goes), and while I'm sure the instructor chose it because we could use our own cameras, we didn't have to learn darkroom procedures, and we could see results quickly (not really "instantly", of course), I rather liked the results. They were a bit soft, but I remember I particularly liked the way black skintones came out.
That's why it's a reversal film, or do you have this same beef with Kodachrome?
Go down to your local Salvation Army and look around -- you'll often find a Handle kicking around. It'll be about 8 inches tall and almost rectangular, with a viewfinder and yes, most have a crank on the side -- hence the name. It has all the quality feeling of an Instamatic.
Now go find an SX-70. Granted that it's weird in the hand, but it's also a by-God SLR, it collapses down to almost nothing, and it's kind of cool just to watch it unfold. It's usually brushed chrome, mine at least has leather facings, and it just feels well-made. It's no Leica, but it's not a Swinger either. Ansel Adams had one, and I don't recall his ever endorsing any other picture boxes or film.
Guys who are happy as clams still change jobs sometimes. He might win the Lotto. His wife might get transferred to Paris. God might speak to him on the way to work one morning, tell him to put down the umbrella and go build an ark...
A chariot pulled by zebras? I'd name mine "Phil".
Well, since at least some security poeple seem to have less sense then Yogi and Boo Boo, maybe Ranger Smith woulodn't be so bad...
My guess would be that Hitler was just fed up with our bogus neutrality, what with Lend / Lease and all that. Yeah, here we go:
Oh, and if you visit New Guinea and there's a storm -- don't take shelter beneath a palm tree.
I assume you're trolling, but what the hell -- bin Laden's been giving our intelligence people fits, in large part because he not only doesn't use encrypted email, he doesn't use email. He avoids telephones. He seems to favour couriers: real, physical people traveling in meat space with messages they've memorized. Go figure.
Nah, 'cause even back then she was a beautiful and famous star and you'd still be...well, let's just say NOT a beautiful and famous star.
Imagine it? I'm an American -- I don't have time to imagine things. I have Hollywood to do it for me
He said they were hacked up drivers. He didn't say that Apple had been remiss, or that 10.1 was inferior, or that anybody's mother wears Army boots, just that some things had trouble, and that if you hadn't heard about them it was 'cause you weren't looking in the right places.
He might even have been making a suggestion there, pointing out that the traditionally helpful Apple user community might have useful insights. Apparently the traditionally defensive Apple user community doesn't.
Yes, it involves a physical transfer of an object, be it a paper pad or a CD-ROM. There is risk inherent in such a transfer, more risk, perhaps, than in an email or bulletin board post.
Note, however, that Robet Hanson transferred data through physical drops many times, as did Rudolf Abel (just the first two I could think of.) Espionage has been quite practical for thousands of years without any electronics at all.
For most of us, "practical" would correspond roughly with "safe". Things with high risk would be impractical. We wouldn't commute to work using a method that frequently resulted in injury, for instance, so we wouldn't go to work by jumping from an aircraft at 500 feet in moonless darkness, whereas the Rangers find this approach quite practical. They know that groundfire is more dangerous to them than tree branches, and spies and terrorists know that the most dangerous weapon against them is a dime (well, it's fifty cents in many places now, but "dropping two quarters" doesn't flow as well as "dropping a dime" on somebody), not a computer. Nine times out of ten, spies get caught because somebody rats them out or they do something really dumb, like get drunk and boast about it.
If you're caught, you're caught, and the only remaining risk (cryptographically speaking) is to the messages you've already sent. The OTP pages that you've already used you have, of course, flushed / burned / eaten / whatever, so they are no longer available, and yes of course there are authentication codes within the message (nothing especially elaborate is needed, since your opposition has none of the previous messages, so mentioning Charlie Brown and Snoopy in alternate messages is probably about as much as you need). By contrast, unless you sleep with that calculator in your hand, I wouldn't be so sure that the memory would be erased when the FBI comes through your doors and windows at 3 AM.
I need to take off my shoes to deal with numbers higher than 10, so I don't know about the precise relative security of various algorithms. I do know that it shifts over time, that methods thought secure five years ago are considered dodgy now, and that plans may take five years or more to mature. If I had that bomb hidden in Battery Park, and the FBI had my messages from 1996 describing its location, would they still be completely secure? What was the standard in '96, and just how many calculations could have been performed in those 5 years? (Let's see, 5 years is some 31,557,600,000,000,000 ticks of a 200 MHz Pentium chugging away at the problem ever since, assuming that they just grabbed a box off the shelf at CompuUSA and never upgraded, never mind a Cray or something.) You sure they couldn't have cracked a message sent back then?
But of course, then we'd have one less continent and the world would start to feel cramped. Hell, there'd probably be a war over it.:)
I remember reading about a test performed early in the space program. Guy lives in a pure O2 atmosphere for several days, see if he gets all giggly and stuff. Things go great until the ceiling light burns out. Hot bulb, so he grabs a towel and reaches up to change it -- WHOOSH! burning towel, burning sleeve, burning arm, until they crack the hatch and foam him.
And of course, there was Apollo 1.
Hey, I didn't hear that Russia got promoted! It's been a long time coming -- way to go, man! I never liked Asia and Europe anyway.