I remember reading this post those many years ago and nodding my head in agreement as I read along. In college, I drafted all of my essays in Vim before importing them to OO.o for pdf generation. It's a wonderful tool for the job of cranking out text, but you're right that the ability to read what you've already written is distracting and antithetical to the goal of simply pumping out text, which is the novelist's first charge.
I think you've stumbled onto a very interesting use of ed here, though I daresay you're likely an army of one amongst your peers for your choose of authoring tools.:)
Anyone who's ever worked in an org w/ full-time Oracle DBAs can attest to how fanatical they are in allegiance to Oracle, even to the point of ruin.
And it's funny, too, because you think they're interested in databases, relational concepts, data integrity, and all of this in general, but they're not, they interested in Oracle products, period. They'd quit before they managed a SQL Server or PostgreSQL database for you.
definitely. it very much "just works" once you get everything configured how you want it. i set up a blog with it for my fiance and she was able to publish content with ease. you can teach people how to create roles, specify permissions, create custom "content types", build views (the views module is an absolute must!!), etc.
none of those things require any coding. but some of the specialized things i wanted to do (have "promotable" content, customize the display of content, create content without using the included forms, really required heavy hacking.
email me directly and i'll give you the password to view the now-defunct fashion blog i set up and let my fiance play around with. it's entirely built on drupal using basically zero custom coding.
I've deployed a few websites using Drupal, and it's great once you understand its framework, the interaction of "modules" and "themes", the concept of a objects within drupal (nodes, users, etc), its permissions scheme. But that's a huge uphill climb for anyone other than a hacker.
I will say that I was able to configure one fairly customized blog using freely available modules and without touching a line of PHP code, which was nice.
However, if you want to customize the behavior of the CMS at all, you really have to start digging into the core, and breaking a few things.
This is why my current website is still Drupal 5.3, and why I don't see myself migrating anytime soon.
instead of atheistic mockery, how about just mocking you for your quickness to don contempt for others over a disagreement on "how life works", especially when your own is in best cases a "but one of many" explanation. how do control your nosebleeds up in that rarefied air?
You might "suffer" from anhedonia. That you're indisposed to things that the mass of us are predominantly disposed due to impedance of dopamine in your brain does not mean that those of us who have no such impedance need to "get a life."
Sex is grand, grander for some than others (clearly). You should seek to understand the origin of your prejudices before wielding them as a sword.
It's ironic that you swear in the process of advising upon how to be taken seriously, in that your argument is subject to being automatically adjudged wanting for it's (unnecessary) inclusion of a low-grade shock tactic.
Please, bestow more sagacity upon us, I know I'm primed to receive after your first offering...
It's dreadfully slow to load up, yes, because it's got so much javascript overhead on the front end. But that's a feature, not a flaw, because it's designed to just sit in a browser window/tab and never refresh the page, and once the initial loading is complete, it is MUCH faster to do repetitive email tasks, because the full page never reloads, just little pieces here and there via AJAX.
So, just like a desktop app, you sacrifice a bit in start-up time to get an app that is more responsive and allows more seamless transition between its various features.
Except that yours is a minority opinion: CNET and PC Magazine both gave glowing assessments.
I use the new Y! Mail Beta too, and the reviews are right, it IS faster, and the "Web 2.0 cruft" that you disdain has markedly improved the usability of the interface (drag 'n drop messages into folders, yeah, who would want that?!).
I actually downloaded and installed Homebase onto my RH8 machine back in '02 and remember being surprised at how very functional it was. It was still raw, but they'd build a good suite of XUL applications, including a media player, etc. It took some doing to get it into my XDM config, but that was the only setup it required, and everything else worked mostly as advertised.
It was mostly a novelty, FAR ahead of its time, but I disappointed at being unable to find its remnants a few months ago when reminded about it after playing with various "Web OSes".
I'm glad to see Mozilla re-investigating this idea, I think it's perfect for a deployment into a Call Center or similarly-specific environment.
point taken. there's an annoying culture of "grammar nazi-ism" here on slashdot, and while your post content was informative enough, it then seemed as though you took the opportunity of your writing to affiliate yourself therewith.
but you're right, i can't assume that poor grammer is met with a poor impression on your part just because you claim to gain a positive impression from good grammer (& capitalization), and my error in this assumption is awknowledged.
sorry for the trouble...the zeal with which i campaign against elitism, as with any zeal, can sometimes rob reason.
the ad-hominem attack was not used to discredit your argument (such a claim is nowhere in my post, explicitly or implicitly), it was used to personally discredit you by way of illuminating the irony of your debasing the intelligence of others based upon poor grammar while making a grammatical error yourself.
i stand by the personal attack while fully respecting your argument. goldberg looks neat.
"people" is a plural noun, and thus it's correctly "people's" rather than your "peoples'" when using the possessive. i'd respect your intelligence more if your grammar was correct.
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Coding requires expressing yourself in an explicitly clear fashion, and that's what the current languages offer.
I take it you've never tried to read Perl...
I remember reading this post those many years ago and nodding my head in agreement as I read along. In college, I drafted all of my essays in Vim before importing them to OO.o for pdf generation. It's a wonderful tool for the job of cranking out text, but you're right that the ability to read what you've already written is distracting and antithetical to the goal of simply pumping out text, which is the novelist's first charge.
I think you've stumbled onto a very interesting use of ed here, though I daresay you're likely an army of one amongst your peers for your choose of authoring tools. :)
i thought you were gonna say "rock star" :( :(
Current Firefox 3.5 runs fine on Win2k, though that may not be true for future releases.
Mozilla IS always the answer when the question is "What actively-developed Web 2.0-capable browser can I use on my Win2k box?"
Anyone who's ever worked in an org w/ full-time Oracle DBAs can attest to how fanatical they are in allegiance to Oracle, even to the point of ruin.
And it's funny, too, because you think they're interested in databases, relational concepts, data integrity, and all of this in general, but they're not, they interested in Oracle products, period. They'd quit before they managed a SQL Server or PostgreSQL database for you.
Cultists.
You're speaking of violinist Phillipe Quint, but there seems to be a rash of such mislayings lately.
oh sorry the email is frosty21060 at yahoo
definitely. it very much "just works" once you get everything configured how you want it. i set up a blog with it for my fiance and she was able to publish content with ease. you can teach people how to create roles, specify permissions, create custom "content types", build views (the views module is an absolute must!!), etc.
none of those things require any coding. but some of the specialized things i wanted to do (have "promotable" content, customize the display of content, create content without using the included forms, really required heavy hacking.
email me directly and i'll give you the password to view the now-defunct fashion blog i set up and let my fiance play around with. it's entirely built on drupal using basically zero custom coding.
noted, thank you.
I've deployed a few websites using Drupal, and it's great once you understand its framework, the interaction of "modules" and "themes", the concept of a objects within drupal (nodes, users, etc), its permissions scheme. But that's a huge uphill climb for anyone other than a hacker.
I will say that I was able to configure one fairly customized blog using freely available modules and without touching a line of PHP code, which was nice.
However, if you want to customize the behavior of the CMS at all, you really have to start digging into the core, and breaking a few things.
This is why my current website is still Drupal 5.3, and why I don't see myself migrating anytime soon.
well yes, but sports are more interesting than...i'm sorry, what was that it that you are interested in again?
instead of atheistic mockery, how about just mocking you for your quickness to don contempt for others over a disagreement on "how life works", especially when your own is in best cases a "but one of many" explanation. how do control your nosebleeds up in that rarefied air?
> If its marriage then forget it as you'll end up being convicted of murder.
Or maybe not? The Reiser case has yet to yield a conviction...
It's actually "The Hague" with capital "T" (Dutch: "Den Haag"), as it's the proper name of a city.
You might "suffer" from anhedonia. That you're indisposed to things that the mass of us are predominantly disposed due to impedance of dopamine in your brain does not mean that those of us who have no such impedance need to "get a life."
Sex is grand, grander for some than others (clearly). You should seek to understand the origin of your prejudices before wielding them as a sword.
this reminds of one of my favorite t-shirts
It's ironic that you swear in the process of advising upon how to be taken seriously, in that your argument is subject to being automatically adjudged wanting for it's (unnecessary) inclusion of a low-grade shock tactic.
Please, bestow more sagacity upon us, I know I'm primed to receive after your first offering...
It's dreadfully slow to load up, yes, because it's got so much javascript overhead on the front end. But that's a feature, not a flaw, because it's designed to just sit in a browser window/tab and never refresh the page, and once the initial loading is complete, it is MUCH faster to do repetitive email tasks, because the full page never reloads, just little pieces here and there via AJAX.
So, just like a desktop app, you sacrifice a bit in start-up time to get an app that is more responsive and allows more seamless transition between its various features.
Except that yours is a minority opinion: CNET and PC Magazine both gave glowing assessments.
I use the new Y! Mail Beta too, and the reviews are right, it IS faster, and the "Web 2.0 cruft" that you disdain has markedly improved the usability of the interface (drag 'n drop messages into folders, yeah, who would want that?!).
I actually downloaded and installed Homebase onto my RH8 machine back in '02 and remember being surprised at how very functional it was. It was still raw, but they'd build a good suite of XUL applications, including a media player, etc. It took some doing to get it into my XDM config, but that was the only setup it required, and everything else worked mostly as advertised.
It was mostly a novelty, FAR ahead of its time, but I disappointed at being unable to find its remnants a few months ago when reminded about it after playing with various "Web OSes".
I'm glad to see Mozilla re-investigating this idea, I think it's perfect for a deployment into a Call Center or similarly-specific environment.
point taken. there's an annoying culture of "grammar nazi-ism" here on slashdot, and while your post content was informative enough, it then seemed as though you took the opportunity of your writing to affiliate yourself therewith.
but you're right, i can't assume that poor grammer is met with a poor impression on your part just because you claim to gain a positive impression from good grammer (& capitalization), and my error in this assumption is awknowledged.
sorry for the trouble...the zeal with which i campaign against elitism, as with any zeal, can sometimes rob reason.
the ad-hominem attack was not used to discredit your argument (such a claim is nowhere in my post, explicitly or implicitly), it was used to personally discredit you by way of illuminating the irony of your debasing the intelligence of others based upon poor grammar while making a grammatical error yourself.
i stand by the personal attack while fully respecting your argument. goldberg looks neat.
"people" is a plural noun, and thus it's correctly "people's" rather than your "peoples'" when using the possessive. i'd respect your intelligence more if your grammar was correct.
Fyodor adjudged Leo's prose stilted, prosaic.