It's dangerous because it plays into the administration game of buildling up a mania about the Muslim world... a mania they need to "justify" an upcoming attack on Iran.
Blah blah blah. What a fucking crybaby excuse that is: "Oh we're being 'oppressed' so we're gonna riot (and maybe rob some liquor stores while we're at it)."
Yes, indeed the despair these people face is unfathomable to other more fortunate people (like us) who have never been part of a large minority group that has been systematically excluded from economic participation.
It is indeed a difficult step to walk in the shoes of somebody else.
I would surmise that non-extremist, peaceful Muslims (the vast majority) are afraid of speaking out, for fear of what the extremist Muslims (the few) will do to them.
Fear is a powerful mass control tool. And we know the kinds of activities the extreme Islamists will go to. But we obviously cannot suggest that most Muslims condone this.
Just thought I would inject some common sense in here.
Oh, that could have nothing to do with the fact that Muslims were/are treated in France like poor blacks in America are treated.
When a group of people are systematically sidelined in an economy, left with no hope, riots are to be expected. I don't condone the riots, but I do understand them.
But we *do* know this about ID: It's not a theory, as there have been no scientific experiments completed to back it up, nor have any been devised. Therefore, it is currently only a hypothesis. While evolution is indeed a scientific theory. This is why there cannot be a apples/oranges comparison between evolution and ID. One has scientific foundation, and the other springs from faith without any current scientific foundation.
Do we necessarily _know_ that jihadist Muslims are doing the handiwork? Or could it be a particular Western government's lackeys who are trying to fan flames?
At any rate, has anyone investigated as to who is actually doing the defacing?
But of course, from the "brains" who are behind bolstering the costly, debt-exploding military-industrial complex (for fighting unjustified elective wars, no less), we are now seeing the formation of yet another unneeded program to scrape the web, with American tax dollars^W^W^Wproceeds of treasury bond sales to China (interest paid for by our children/grandchildren).
On top of this, we have a regime with widely demonstrated incompetence and/or willful negligence deciding to build a program like this. They couldn't even deal with the plain-language warnings they received regarding al-Qaeda's plans to hit tall buildings with jet planes. What I'm driving at is they can collect all the data in the world, and they have no ability to understand it or act on it, at least as long as His Lordship, King George is in power.
I still have Delphi 7 on my box--it's a tremendous tool for developing Windows apps.
However, I am also very very glad I switched to development with open-source languages a few years ago, and I'm switching more and more to open-sourced development tools to go along with the open-source languages I utilize.
To hitch software development to any company is becoming increasingly precarious, not only because these companies can go out of business (or out of control like Microsoft), it's because proprietary tools makers have this strange propensity to overbuild their products to the point of buzzword-itis and uselessness (Delphi beyond version 7 is clearly that, and MS long ago strayed away from what developers need).
This stupid action by Borland, a once-great company, provides us in the open-source community yet another example to tell the story that open-source is not "free as in beer", but "free as in freedom".
And I will also take this opportunity to make a request to Borland regarding Delphi: Instead of selling it, OPEN SOURCE IT!!!!!
Banning users with these email addresses is easy. Sending out a board message asking everyone to change to different email addresses is easy. Snap, snap, done.
What's hard(er) is having to work with members who aren't getting emails from the board, drip, drip, drip over a long period of time until I finally decide to do what I state in the first paragraph.:)
Also, the mere idea of having to pay for access pisses me off to do a ban, and to let everyone know it. I love the word "ban" in cases like this. It's righteous and beautiful.:)
Why? Because I don't want to deal with these complaints or issues *at all*. A preemptive strike is called for here. After all, there are plenty of other email providers out there.
I'm frankly growing tired of this unfair campaign against PHP. Security issues with PHP are actually minimal (and comparative to other approaches) if a web programmer knows what they're doing. And if one suggests that there are few professionals working in PHP, I'd have to say that was true a couple years ago, but not true today. It should be recalled that PHP wasn't really a serious programming language until version 4, essentially making it younger than Java. So give it a break.
It's more about the programmer than the language they use. And PHP is perfectly viable, and the wide array of solid apps written in PHP clearly prove the point. And that's not to take away from the achievements using other platforms... you see, I'm not into these language wars like some people.
But they run on PHP which is a constant source of security problems and not a terribly expressive or well architected language.
Says you. I myself find the opposite. All languages have expressive limitations of one form or another. With PHP, I've found that it's expressive enough for its purpose and the power of its function libraries and availability of reusable open-source code make it a solid choice. And that's on top of what the other responder said in terms of low-cost hosting options and other good reasons.
It may be a good langugage to get your feet wet and there is a large code base because many people started on it but if someone has worked with C++, Lisp, SmallTalk, Python, OCaml, Haskell, and Ruby then decided PHP was the Cat's Pajamas I'd have to wonder about how that person evaluates things.
It's a good language for a professional programmer with great experience to choose as well. There is a wide range of facets to look at when deciding on the best web programming language for the majority of such projects. Who uses C++ for web programming? or Lisp, SmallTalk, etc.? Ruby on Rails is gaining steam, but it's also not widely available on cheap hosting, and open-source libraries are scarce for it when compared to PHP. But don't assume that somebody that has decided on PHP for now wouldn't consider Ruby on Rails or other options once they have become equally viable.
If all the programmer *ever* has known is PHP, then yes, that's a problem.
But if the programmer has excelled in other languages, and then decided PHP was the best approach for most web development work (and many have decided this), then it's a good thing.
There are a *lot* of well-engineered PHP apps out there. And the app called for in this thread could become one of them.
Now, discussion boards and mailing lists will need to purge and actively reject individuals using aol.com addresses. What other choice would operators of such boards and lists have?
I run a board myself, and I'm now going to have to go through my list of users coming from aol.com (hopefully none or not many) and send out a warning that they will need to change to a different email account associated with their userid before June.
And... I would have to update the board code to show an error message to new users trying to register with aol.com email addresses.
Blecch. Why does AOL have to do this? It's like they want to throw up a Great Wall of China between themselves and the rest of the Internet.
I hope Google keeps denying access to Bush's henchmen. In fact, we should all stop cooperating with Bush's farce and PR/FUD campaign known as the "War on Terra"--it's all about a Presidential power grab and this patriot knows who the real threat to this country is, and that's George W. Bush.
Shouldn't we be a lot more concerned about groupthink and corporate bias amongst the mainstream media? Comparatively, plagiarism pales not only in volume, but in significance as well.
phpBB is easily extensible and has a great mod community. phpBB is only attacked because it is incredibly popular and other discussion board upstarts want to dethrone it.
And what does it matter that it utilizes "a mix of coding styles and theories"? It just shows they use the appropriate approach where it's needed. Many good programmers recognize the value of hybrid over "pure approach" programming. And the templating system is all right with me--I've had to extend it for my own tastes, but phpBB was so well-coded, extending it was easy.
phpBB starts out bland, but it's easy to extend into something great and unique to your tastes.
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But when they're bad, they're really really bad, so bad, that I don't want to even think about it, as today is a day of rest, and not anger. :)
Anyways, I will refer everyone to a web page of a software developer who very adeptly describes his experiences with recruiters, and why he all but refuses to work with them.
It's dangerous because it plays into the administration game of buildling up a mania about the Muslim world... a mania they need to "justify" an upcoming attack on Iran.
I understand the concept of dangerous hyperbole, lumping all Muslims into the same group, and suggesting killing them all, a prime example.
Blah blah blah. What a fucking crybaby excuse that is: "Oh we're being 'oppressed' so we're gonna riot (and maybe rob some liquor stores while we're at it)."
Yes, indeed the despair these people face is unfathomable to other more fortunate people (like us) who have never been part of a large minority group that has been systematically excluded from economic participation.
It is indeed a difficult step to walk in the shoes of somebody else.
Do you have intelligence to back up _any_ claim? Who _informed_ you that Islamists were defacing the websites? Where's the beef?
Just because we _think_ something is a fact, doesn't make it a fact.
I want to see actual investigations into who is actually doing the defacing. Then, at that point, I will make my judgment.
I would surmise that non-extremist, peaceful Muslims (the vast majority) are afraid of speaking out, for fear of what the extremist Muslims (the few) will do to them.
Fear is a powerful mass control tool. And we know the kinds of activities the extreme Islamists will go to. But we obviously cannot suggest that most Muslims condone this.
Just thought I would inject some common sense in here.
Killing every single one of them? As if all of "them" are the same?
Doesn't this kind of opinion make _you_ the savage?
Oh, that could have nothing to do with the fact that Muslims were/are treated in France like poor blacks in America are treated.
When a group of people are systematically sidelined in an economy, left with no hope, riots are to be expected. I don't condone the riots, but I do understand them.
But we *do* know this about ID: It's not a theory, as there have been no scientific experiments completed to back it up, nor have any been devised. Therefore, it is currently only a hypothesis. While evolution is indeed a scientific theory. This is why there cannot be a apples/oranges comparison between evolution and ID. One has scientific foundation, and the other springs from faith without any current scientific foundation.
Do we necessarily _know_ that jihadist Muslims are doing the handiwork? Or could it be a particular Western government's lackeys who are trying to fan flames?
At any rate, has anyone investigated as to who is actually doing the defacing?
But of course, from the "brains" who are behind bolstering the costly, debt-exploding military-industrial complex (for fighting unjustified elective wars, no less), we are now seeing the formation of yet another unneeded program to scrape the web, with American tax dollars^W^W^Wproceeds of treasury bond sales to China (interest paid for by our children/grandchildren).
On top of this, we have a regime with widely demonstrated incompetence and/or willful negligence deciding to build a program like this. They couldn't even deal with the plain-language warnings they received regarding al-Qaeda's plans to hit tall buildings with jet planes. What I'm driving at is they can collect all the data in the world, and they have no ability to understand it or act on it, at least as long as His Lordship, King George is in power.
I still have Delphi 7 on my box--it's a tremendous tool for developing Windows apps.
However, I am also very very glad I switched to development with open-source languages a few years ago, and I'm switching more and more to open-sourced development tools to go along with the open-source languages I utilize.
To hitch software development to any company is becoming increasingly precarious, not only because these companies can go out of business (or out of control like Microsoft), it's because proprietary tools makers have this strange propensity to overbuild their products to the point of buzzword-itis and uselessness (Delphi beyond version 7 is clearly that, and MS long ago strayed away from what developers need).
This stupid action by Borland, a once-great company, provides us in the open-source community yet another example to tell the story that open-source is not "free as in beer", but "free as in freedom".
And I will also take this opportunity to make a request to Borland regarding Delphi: Instead of selling it, OPEN SOURCE IT!!!!!
Your overreaction is inconceivable to me, especially given the powerfulness of the PHP platform, but to each his own.
Big deal. Six, such a huge number. Sheesh.
Yeah, let's throw it out a great platform because of a few security issues (that were fixed). Really really smart. {sarcasm}
In other words, pool all the groceries regularly needed by the group into one big list, and carefully plan shopping trips.
Clip coupons and match them with specials at various stores. (note: I have no idea if there's such a thing as coupons in the UK)
Stick to the group-approved list, and don't stray from it.
Set a hard budget for the shopping trip, and drop unnecessary items that don't fit within the budget.
Banning users with these email addresses is easy. Sending out a board message asking everyone to change to different email addresses is easy. Snap, snap, done.
:)
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What's hard(er) is having to work with members who aren't getting emails from the board, drip, drip, drip over a long period of time until I finally decide to do what I state in the first paragraph.
Also, the mere idea of having to pay for access pisses me off to do a ban, and to let everyone know it. I love the word "ban" in cases like this. It's righteous and beautiful.
Why? Because I don't want to deal with these complaints or issues *at all*. A preemptive strike is called for here. After all, there are plenty of other email providers out there.
I'm frankly growing tired of this unfair campaign against PHP. Security issues with PHP are actually minimal (and comparative to other approaches) if a web programmer knows what they're doing. And if one suggests that there are few professionals working in PHP, I'd have to say that was true a couple years ago, but not true today. It should be recalled that PHP wasn't really a serious programming language until version 4, essentially making it younger than Java. So give it a break.
It's more about the programmer than the language they use. And PHP is perfectly viable, and the wide array of solid apps written in PHP clearly prove the point. And that's not to take away from the achievements using other platforms... you see, I'm not into these language wars like some people.
But they run on PHP which is a constant source of security problems and not a terribly expressive or well architected language.
Says you. I myself find the opposite. All languages have expressive limitations of one form or another. With PHP, I've found that it's expressive enough for its purpose and the power of its function libraries and availability of reusable open-source code make it a solid choice. And that's on top of what the other responder said in terms of low-cost hosting options and other good reasons.
It may be a good langugage to get your feet wet and there is a large code base because many people started on it but if someone has worked with C++, Lisp, SmallTalk, Python, OCaml, Haskell, and Ruby then decided PHP was the Cat's Pajamas I'd have to wonder about how that person evaluates things.
It's a good language for a professional programmer with great experience to choose as well. There is a wide range of facets to look at when deciding on the best web programming language for the majority of such projects. Who uses C++ for web programming? or Lisp, SmallTalk, etc.? Ruby on Rails is gaining steam, but it's also not widely available on cheap hosting, and open-source libraries are scarce for it when compared to PHP. But don't assume that somebody that has decided on PHP for now wouldn't consider Ruby on Rails or other options once they have become equally viable.
I would qualify what you're saying.
If all the programmer *ever* has known is PHP, then yes, that's a problem.
But if the programmer has excelled in other languages, and then decided PHP was the best approach for most web development work (and many have decided this), then it's a good thing.
There are a *lot* of well-engineered PHP apps out there. And the app called for in this thread could become one of them.
Now, discussion boards and mailing lists will need to purge and actively reject individuals using aol.com addresses. What other choice would operators of such boards and lists have?
I run a board myself, and I'm now going to have to go through my list of users coming from aol.com (hopefully none or not many) and send out a warning that they will need to change to a different email account associated with their userid before June.
And... I would have to update the board code to show an error message to new users trying to register with aol.com email addresses.
Blecch. Why does AOL have to do this? It's like they want to throw up a Great Wall of China between themselves and the rest of the Internet.
I hope Google keeps denying access to Bush's henchmen. In fact, we should all stop cooperating with Bush's farce and PR/FUD campaign known as the "War on Terra"--it's all about a Presidential power grab and this patriot knows who the real threat to this country is, and that's George W. Bush.
Shouldn't we be a lot more concerned about groupthink and corporate bias amongst the mainstream media? Comparatively, plagiarism pales not only in volume, but in significance as well.
phpBB is easily extensible and has a great mod community. phpBB is only attacked because it is incredibly popular and other discussion board upstarts want to dethrone it.
And what does it matter that it utilizes "a mix of coding styles and theories"? It just shows they use the appropriate approach where it's needed. Many good programmers recognize the value of hybrid over "pure approach" programming. And the templating system is all right with me--I've had to extend it for my own tastes, but phpBB was so well-coded, extending it was easy.
phpBB starts out bland, but it's easy to extend into something great and unique to your tastes.