How much of this "community" is commercial I wonder. And should there ever be a Linux equivalent for *every* piece of windows software?
And this "good enough" person learnt how to install linux before he learnt how to install windows 3.1 (yes, I'm that old), and was the first person to use linux on a laptop at a 150k people F100 company. You think I don't know what linux can and cannot do? You think I don't push for open source solutions where it makes sense?
For a lot of people, Theo is wrong by being right and being blunt about it. When Theo calls you an idiot, pretty much, you're an idiot at that time. Most people just can't handle it.
I've asked stupid questions before, but Theo had never called me an idiot, and had offered extra help. But I didn't try to tell Theo that he was an idiot either.
I've created hand made cables, and checked it using a $20k fluke, and the results came back indicating no issues with the cables, for a gigabit network. Not difficult to make cables.
Excuse me, english is my fourth language, so, pardon my french, but what the fuck are you talking about?
TWC was invited to come in and provide the service. They refused. So the city built its own. And now you're saying TWC can't "compete" with that? Well, too bloody bad. The government offered it to TWC, and TWC turned it down. And now they want to cry "bad city"? Well, I'd like a pony with that too.
So, why is it that South Korea can have 100 mb/s up and down to your house for US$18? And Japan is now rolling out 1 gb/s up/down to the house for less than $100/month?
Heh. It's useless explaining stuff to noobs like him. I've grown up from the "install from 28+ 3.5" floppy" slackware days to the "compile over the weekend" gentoo days, and way way over my "install shitloads of OSes, aren't I l33t" days.
Nowadays I use two operating systems. OpenBSD as my gateway of choice, and OSx on this lapdog. Wife uses kubuntu on her laptop. If I ever get around to rebuilding my zfs box, obviously that'll run solaris, but beyond that, don't see the need for anything else.
Ummm, if SVR4 is your standard of unix, then none of the *BSDs or any linux is going to be "unixy" enough for you.
And - you only have to use the gui if you don't understand commandline. I happen to live in Terminal.app everyday, and happily use it to do general sysadmin type stuff (on OSX itself, obviously).
See, that's the difference between you and I. You see (or rather, hear) a noisy data center, and assumes that it's the same inside the actual chasis. Whereas, I believe (since I've not actually researched this, and only know about it second hand) your SAN units have actually have vibration dampeners designed in.
So, it's already different.
But that's OK - if it makes you sleep any better, go ahead and say Apple charges 130% extra for their special rubber grommets.
This leaves out the most important thing. "So what" - ok if the drives vibrational characteristics are not matched what happens. Is it significant? Where is the data to say so?
In high capacity drives, vibration is a huge factor. Did you not see the youtube video of someone screaming at his drives? It got posted on slashdot.
Generally, by the time you account for the additional labour of selecting, ordering, unboxing and install the 3rd party drives - and *especially* if one goes tits up - any savings you might have made are eaten up.
It really depends, are these people working in enterprise shops, or small mom and pop shops. I've only worked for enterprise shops (Fortune 100), so, for me, my time is premium, and I prefer to let others do the work.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm super cheap with my own crap, but that's because I can afford the down time, and I can afford to spend my own time fucking around on my own equipment, without $$ attached to downtime. That's why I have an G4 XServe downstairs powered off doing nothing - one day, I'll get enough tuits to go screw with it some more to figure out what went wrong and fix it.
A person is born ignorant. That is to be expected. But to choose to be ignorant, now, that's a sin. You're asking your question but not seriously expecting a real answer, but I'll give it to you anyway.
1) Your "OEM" drives that you buy online are not individually tested, but the final QA run is tested in lots.
2) 1st-tier vendors specify that the drives they buy are individually tested.
3) From the article, it says that Apple performs a further 30-60 hour burn in test.
4) Additionally, Apple needs to keep a stock of the same drives for warranty replacements (no matter how much testing, there are some bad drives)
5) Cost of performing warranty work
6) Profit
All these things add up to the 300% you blather about, but the true number should be compared against the server drives (why the fuck do slashdot morons not understand comparing apples to oranges doesn't make sense?), which brings it down to a 131% differential. Not too much, IMO, for a server product, which is supposed to be reliable.
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How much of this "community" is commercial I wonder. And should there ever be a Linux equivalent for *every* piece of windows software?
And this "good enough" person learnt how to install linux before he learnt how to install windows 3.1 (yes, I'm that old), and was the first person to use linux on a laptop at a 150k people F100 company. You think I don't know what linux can and cannot do? You think I don't push for open source solutions where it makes sense?
But does it make sense in *ALL* cases? Hell no.
Then I'll go ahead and stretch your analogy - you should be living in the right dimension on the right planet to get the right workbench.
And how many $10m settlements have you seen lately? Most contingency work do not end up with multi millor $$ settlements.
So, your women friends were friends with you for the side benefits?
Talk about your friends with benefits....
So, a flat head screw driver is a shortcoming of a philips screwn driver?
Use the right tool for the job. If windows is the one, then use it.
Advertisers lie? Oh no! Stop the press!! :)
pointers to where you can find these replays? thanks
Wouldn't it be better to get your wife in on the beta with you? :)
Or are you just another typical slashdot user who claims to have a girlfriend/wife?
For a lot of people, Theo is wrong by being right and being blunt about it. When Theo calls you an idiot, pretty much, you're an idiot at that time. Most people just can't handle it.
I've asked stupid questions before, but Theo had never called me an idiot, and had offered extra help. But I didn't try to tell Theo that he was an idiot either.
Why is 200mb/s the one of the fastest in the world when they're doing 1gb/s up and down in Japan? You call 1/5 of that comparable to 1gb/s?????
Well, it depends - he has duelling CPUs, which may go first...
Inferior piece of shit.
I only use this - http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM
I've created hand made cables, and checked it using a $20k fluke, and the results came back indicating no issues with the cables, for a gigabit network. Not difficult to make cables.
Excuse me, english is my fourth language, so, pardon my french, but what the fuck are you talking about?
TWC was invited to come in and provide the service. They refused. So the city built its own. And now you're saying TWC can't "compete" with that? Well, too bloody bad. The government offered it to TWC, and TWC turned it down. And now they want to cry "bad city"? Well, I'd like a pony with that too.
So, why is it that South Korea can have 100 mb/s up and down to your house for US$18? And Japan is now rolling out 1 gb/s up/down to the house for less than $100/month?
Heh. It's useless explaining stuff to noobs like him. I've grown up from the "install from 28+ 3.5" floppy" slackware days to the "compile over the weekend" gentoo days, and way way over my "install shitloads of OSes, aren't I l33t" days.
Nowadays I use two operating systems. OpenBSD as my gateway of choice, and OSx on this lapdog. Wife uses kubuntu on her laptop. If I ever get around to rebuilding my zfs box, obviously that'll run solaris, but beyond that, don't see the need for anything else.
Ummm, if SVR4 is your standard of unix, then none of the *BSDs or any linux is going to be "unixy" enough for you.
And - you only have to use the gui if you don't understand commandline. I happen to live in Terminal.app everyday, and happily use it to do general sysadmin type stuff (on OSX itself, obviously).
See, that's the difference between you and I. You see (or rather, hear) a noisy data center, and assumes that it's the same inside the actual chasis. Whereas, I believe (since I've not actually researched this, and only know about it second hand) your SAN units have actually have vibration dampeners designed in.
So, it's already different.
But that's OK - if it makes you sleep any better, go ahead and say Apple charges 130% extra for their special rubber grommets.
sometimes, people think they're so smart.
feel free to google for effects of vibration on drives.
Also, do get an engineering degree while you're at it.
First person to actually make a reasonable argument against using an expensive drive! *bravo*! :)
This leaves out the most important thing. "So what" - ok if the drives vibrational characteristics are not matched what happens. Is it significant? Where is the data to say so?
In high capacity drives, vibration is a huge factor. Did you not see the youtube video of someone screaming at his drives? It got posted on slashdot.
Then your data must not be important. Why are you using a drive that has a known higher probability of dying?
Generally, by the time you account for the additional labour of selecting, ordering, unboxing and install the 3rd party drives - and *especially* if one goes tits up - any savings you might have made are eaten up.
It really depends, are these people working in enterprise shops, or small mom and pop shops. I've only worked for enterprise shops (Fortune 100), so, for me, my time is premium, and I prefer to let others do the work.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm super cheap with my own crap, but that's because I can afford the down time, and I can afford to spend my own time fucking around on my own equipment, without $$ attached to downtime. That's why I have an G4 XServe downstairs powered off doing nothing - one day, I'll get enough tuits to go screw with it some more to figure out what went wrong and fix it.
A person is born ignorant. That is to be expected. But to choose to be ignorant, now, that's a sin. You're asking your question but not seriously expecting a real answer, but I'll give it to you anyway.
1) Your "OEM" drives that you buy online are not individually tested, but the final QA run is tested in lots.
2) 1st-tier vendors specify that the drives they buy are individually tested.
3) From the article, it says that Apple performs a further 30-60 hour burn in test.
4) Additionally, Apple needs to keep a stock of the same drives for warranty replacements (no matter how much testing, there are some bad drives)
5) Cost of performing warranty work
6) Profit
All these things add up to the 300% you blather about, but the true number should be compared against the server drives (why the fuck do slashdot morons not understand comparing apples to oranges doesn't make sense?), which brings it down to a 131% differential. Not too much, IMO, for a server product, which is supposed to be reliable.
Equivalent server-class hdd's in ANY interface flavor are a better value than their Apple counterparts.
Gee, the electrolytes in your area must be extra double plus good.