That comment probably slipped under through their ministry of truth department because it's subtle wit, something that authoritarians are not quick to grasp.
There are key differences though, I'm surprised no one replied with these arguments, so I will argue them myself.
In DVD vs Divx, it was a new format, so people were asking their geek and techie friends "Which should I get?" CDs are an established format, so it's not likely that the same thing will happen, people will just buy them, thinking they are just like normal CDs.
So there is the devil's advocate argument that I expected but never got.
a) I wrote my comment before I read the report because I thought the site was slashdotted, but it did eventually load.
b) The only card they got 900Mbps out of cost $570, the lower cost ones got no where near that, especially with 1500 MTUs
Also, I forgot to mention, even if your switch can handle jumbo frames, if you use UDP for anything, trying to talk to a 1500MTU host from a jumbo frames host in UDP won't work (i.e. NFS).
Well, check out the docs first off. It's hard to get much out of GBit, since most of the utilities don't call the socket open with properly sized buffers/window/whatever.
I set up optical gigabit for some NAS type things at work, and out of the box, GBit performed maybe 30% better than 100 Mbit. We are talking about 110Mbit peaks, compared to 80Mbit peaks with 100Mbit switched.
Setting the MTU to 6144 (max that I could set it to with the ns83820.o) I started to get peaks around 300Mbit/sec.
I tried recompiling the module for higher limits, since in the source it has:
#define RX_BUF_SIZE 6144/* 8192 */
But if I put in 8192, or 9000 like I wanted it to be, it would crask or lock up.
Anyway, it's not trivial to get good performance out of GBit, and definitely don't expect anywhere near 10X gain.
Yeah, but how are you going to explain it to them when they can't always cut and paste out of certain apps.
For example, gnome-term is really bad about pasting, sometimes you can paste text you highlighted elsewhere, sometimes you can't. The paste in the menu acts differently from the middle mouse button. Some apps have windows style cut and paste, such as nedit and I think openoffice, and some apps you just can't cut from half the time, like the preview window in Sylpheed, you highlight the text there, and go to paste and nothing happens.
Cutting and pasting is probably the worst thing to show a windows person in Linux, because it is so badly broken and no one seems to want to fix it.
Id say the second worse thing to try to show them is mime-type handling, and the million places where you have stored mime-types and you have to figure out which mime list the app is using. You get dangerously close to showing them mime handling with the man:/ thing.
Clipboard use and mime types are two of the most terrible things about Linux, and are something you definitely don't want to show prospective converts. It's the kind of thing that keeps people from using Linux. I know it bugged the hell out of me when I first switched over. It's just that now I remember different workarounds to copy and paste for each app I use, which still is FAR from ideal.
Didn't you even read the Slashdot blurb? "The undersigned warrants"...
It's the same thing as napster saying "you will not use our network for trading copyrighted files". "For tobacco use only". "Do not use to copy works in violation of copyright" - on copy machines. Etc.
It's just a cover your ass clause, but it also apparently means that the IEEE doesn't want to be party to any DMCA (DCMA? huh?) suits.
Tell your friends that want you to play their N*Sync CDs on your microwave mp3 box to just open the door and pop them in, and it will be "taken care of".
There was a time when my crack addiction was getting out of hand. My girlfriend was starting to complain a bit. My solution? I just bought her a crack pipe and now we both smoke up and use our moderation points on Slashdot together!:)
Under those standards, tobacco isn't addictive. In fact, by most measures of addiction, tobacco doesn't fall into it, except for the inability to quit.
Slashdot requires you to wait 2 minutes between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment.
Fuck you lameness filter. Waiting.... waiting.....waiting... OK
Speaking of addiction to little simple games like that. My mom is totally addicted to FreeCell. I know it was a fad a few years back, but she got into it when I got an MS Entertainment Pack sampler disk free with some Maxell blank floppies around 1995-1996.
You know how the games are numbered in the windows version? 1-32768? Well, she has played every one, sequentially, and won all of them, except for the one that is mathematically impossible to win.
She started over at game #1 about 6 months ago. She can play about 60 games per hour on average. She didn't used to be that fast, so lets assume 2 minutes per game. She also replays the games she loses until she wins them.
So, over the last 6 years, she has put over 1000 hours into FreeCell, that's 45 solid 24 hour days.
Did you even read that mindspring link? That guy is one of those people that believes in things like issuing sight drafts against your "government collateral".
He is a victim of a group of scam artists that operates just below the surface of society, bent on taking advantage of people who already distrust the government.
He was already running into problems with his illegal behavior, encouraged by the scam artists, in late 1998, I wouldn't be surprised if the entries stopped there because he found himself in jail after that.
This implies that it can be taken away for an arbitrary reason.
So... if the government decided to take away your license tomorrow because you are of the opinion that the 2nd amendment is a safeguard against an oppressive government, it would be OK?
Obviously it would be, since you never had a right to drive in the first place.
These "it's OK, it's not big brother yet" people burn me up too.
I guess there are no consequential differences between e-mail and paper mail?
No consequential differences between placing an order online, and one on the phone?
No consequential differences between doing math on paper, and programming a computer to do it for you?
In all these examples, the difference is speed, and added capabilities that are allowed by high speed digitally stored programs. It sure would be a bitch to hire 100 people to watch 100 video screens and compare those to 10,000 pictures of known political dissenters, but a single computer could handle that in the not so far future.
Like you, I don't understand why these retards don't get it either. I think it's more because they are apathetic about politics, and they use these silly arguments to rationalize their lack of action while the police state slowly solidifies.
You know, it's not really RPMs, it's any program that has a complex dependancy tree that is something that your distro doesn't have.
Example: Flightgear flight sim.
They don't use RPMs, the programmers seem to have an anti-redhat tilt anyway, since you have to use a new Mesa rather than the one that comes with redhat due to a 3D graphics library programmer being an asshole, refusing to install a one line workaround for that particular Mesa version. Anyway, I digress.
The Sim comes as a tar.gz. The makefile will check for dependancies, and boy, it has tons. I had to download 4 or 5 other, large packages, also tar.gzs, from different web sites, just to attempt to get it to work. The compiles took longer than kernel compiles. After all that, I realized my video card wasn't set up to use hardware acceleration anyway. After 3 hours, I said "fuck it". 1 frame per second isn't much of a flight sim.
Flightgear is apparently designed for the benefit of the people programming it, and they have no intention of making it even somewhat easy to install. So dependancy hell isn't something exclusive to RPM, it can happen in any poorly designed project.
Yeah, so it's simple, we just let everyone be root all the time, and have wine automatically run any MS PE (executable) files with a simple double click from the email client.
There is a reason sometimes that things aren't easier to use. MS made that tradeoff, by their own admission. They have said in leaked memos "we traded security for ease of use".
For instance, hams can't even obscure their signal, much less encrypt it. I'm not sure of the laws on consumer devices, but's it's probably limited to specifically, explicitely defined encryption protocols and then only within the true consumer frequencies. (902-928Mhz) and 2.4Ghz, and also a slice around 40Mhz for old phones and intercoms.
Maybe someone with more definite knowledge can fill in my gaps.
Lndows could define all of their releases as beta,
Yeah, did Napster ever make a final release? All throughout the controversy it was "beta". I switched totally to linux around the time that napster was just getting media attention, so I am not familiar with the timeline later on.
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99% of the purchases I make at home and for work are due to a need, and seeking out the solution to that need at a price that was reasonable for that need. When I go to a site that is "marketing based" with little actual technical info, I usually try to find another vendor, one that posts full technical specs, not marketing bullshit.
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That comment probably slipped under through their ministry of truth department because it's subtle wit, something that authoritarians are not quick to grasp.
I think we're just going to have to give it up. It's probably just semantics anyway.
We can only hope...
There are key differences though, I'm surprised no one replied with these arguments, so I will argue them myself.
In DVD vs Divx, it was a new format, so people were asking their geek and techie friends "Which should I get?" CDs are an established format, so it's not likely that the same thing will happen, people will just buy them, thinking they are just like normal CDs.
So there is the devil's advocate argument that I expected but never got.
a) I wrote my comment before I read the report because I thought the site was slashdotted, but it did eventually load.
b) The only card they got 900Mbps out of cost $570, the lower cost ones got no where near that, especially with 1500 MTUs
Also, I forgot to mention, even if your switch can handle jumbo frames, if you use UDP for anything, trying to talk to a 1500MTU host from a jumbo frames host in UDP won't work (i.e. NFS).
Well, check out the docs first off. It's hard to get much out of GBit, since most of the utilities don't call the socket open with properly sized buffers/window/whatever.
/* 8192 */
I set up optical gigabit for some NAS type things at work, and out of the box, GBit performed maybe 30% better than 100 Mbit. We are talking about 110Mbit peaks, compared to 80Mbit peaks with 100Mbit switched.
Setting the MTU to 6144 (max that I could set it to with the ns83820.o) I started to get peaks around 300Mbit/sec.
I tried recompiling the module for higher limits, since in the source it has:
#define RX_BUF_SIZE 6144
But if I put in 8192, or 9000 like I wanted it to be, it would crask or lock up.
Anyway, it's not trivial to get good performance out of GBit, and definitely don't expect anywhere near 10X gain.
to answer "MS" gets
Nice quotes.. You know ASCII has ' and ", there is no need to use broken dumb-quotes... wait, maybe you posted that from IE?
Show them how to cut-and-paste using the mouse.
Yeah, but how are you going to explain it to them when they can't always cut and paste out of certain apps.
For example, gnome-term is really bad about pasting, sometimes you can paste text you highlighted elsewhere, sometimes you can't. The paste in the menu acts differently from the middle mouse button. Some apps have windows style cut and paste, such as nedit and I think openoffice, and some apps you just can't cut from half the time, like the preview window in Sylpheed, you highlight the text there, and go to paste and nothing happens.
Cutting and pasting is probably the worst thing to show a windows person in Linux, because it is so badly broken and no one seems to want to fix it.
Id say the second worse thing to try to show them is mime-type handling, and the million places where you have stored mime-types and you have to figure out which mime list the app is using. You get dangerously close to showing them mime handling with the man:/ thing.
Clipboard use and mime types are two of the most terrible things about Linux, and are something you definitely don't want to show prospective converts. It's the kind of thing that keeps people from using Linux. I know it bugged the hell out of me when I first switched over. It's just that now I remember different workarounds to copy and paste for each app I use, which still is FAR from ideal.
Didn't you even read the Slashdot blurb? "The undersigned warrants"...
It's the same thing as napster saying "you will not use our network for trading copyrighted files". "For tobacco use only". "Do not use to copy works in violation of copyright" - on copy machines. Etc.
It's just a cover your ass clause, but it also apparently means that the IEEE doesn't want to be party to any DMCA (DCMA? huh?) suits.
Tell your friends that want you to play their N*Sync CDs on your microwave mp3 box to just open the door and pop them in, and it will be "taken care of".
So, since we have no fundamental right to drive, the government can take your license away fro arbitrary reasons, even if they just don't like you.
There was a time when my crack addiction was getting out of hand. My girlfriend was starting to complain a bit. My solution? I just bought her a crack pipe and now we both smoke up and use our moderation points on Slashdot together! :)
Under those standards, tobacco isn't addictive. In fact, by most measures of addiction, tobacco doesn't fall into it, except for the inability to quit.
Slashdot requires you to wait 2 minutes between
each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment.
Fuck you lameness filter. Waiting.... waiting.....waiting... OK
Just run Linux and get a job running Linux. It's like one big RPG.
Speaking of addiction to little simple games like that. My mom is totally addicted to FreeCell. I know it was a fad a few years back, but she got into it when I got an MS Entertainment Pack sampler disk free with some Maxell blank floppies around 1995-1996.
You know how the games are numbered in the windows version? 1-32768? Well, she has played every one, sequentially, and won all of them, except for the one that is mathematically impossible to win.
She started over at game #1 about 6 months ago. She can play about 60 games per hour on average. She didn't used to be that fast, so lets assume 2 minutes per game. She also replays the games she loses until she wins them.
So, over the last 6 years, she has put over 1000 hours into FreeCell, that's 45 solid 24 hour days.
There is no constitutional guarantee against the government banning the use of motor vehicles outright.
:)
So then that makes my point.... Were you trying to disagree with me?
Did you even read that mindspring link? That guy is one of those people that believes in things like issuing sight drafts against your "government collateral".
He is a victim of a group of scam artists that operates just below the surface of society, bent on taking advantage of people who already distrust the government.
He was already running into problems with his illegal behavior, encouraged by the scam artists, in late 1998, I wouldn't be surprised if the entries stopped there because he found himself in jail after that.
Driving is a privilege.
This implies that it can be taken away for an arbitrary reason.
So... if the government decided to take away your license tomorrow because you are of the opinion that the 2nd amendment is a safeguard against an oppressive government, it would be OK?
Obviously it would be, since you never had a right to drive in the first place.
These "it's OK, it's not big brother yet" people burn me up too.
I guess there are no consequential differences between e-mail and paper mail?
No consequential differences between placing an order online, and one on the phone?
No consequential differences between doing math on paper, and programming a computer to do it for you?
In all these examples, the difference is speed, and added capabilities that are allowed by high speed digitally stored programs. It sure would be a bitch to hire 100 people to watch 100 video screens and compare those to 10,000 pictures of known political dissenters, but a single computer could handle that in the not so far future.
Like you, I don't understand why these retards don't get it either. I think it's more because they are apathetic about politics, and they use these silly arguments to rationalize their lack of action while the police state slowly solidifies.
You know, it's not really RPMs, it's any program that has a complex dependancy tree that is something that your distro doesn't have.
Example: Flightgear flight sim.
They don't use RPMs, the programmers seem to have an anti-redhat tilt anyway, since you have to use a new Mesa rather than the one that comes with redhat due to a 3D graphics library programmer being an asshole, refusing to install a one line workaround for that particular Mesa version. Anyway, I digress.
The Sim comes as a tar.gz. The makefile will check for dependancies, and boy, it has tons. I had to download 4 or 5 other, large packages, also tar.gzs, from different web sites, just to attempt to get it to work. The compiles took longer than kernel compiles. After all that, I realized my video card wasn't set up to use hardware acceleration anyway. After 3 hours, I said "fuck it". 1 frame per second isn't much of a flight sim.
Flightgear is apparently designed for the benefit of the people programming it, and they have no intention of making it even somewhat easy to install. So dependancy hell isn't something exclusive to RPM, it can happen in any poorly designed project.
Yeah, so it's simple, we just let everyone be root all the time, and have wine automatically run any MS PE (executable) files with a simple double click from the email client.
There is a reason sometimes that things aren't easier to use. MS made that tradeoff, by their own admission. They have said in leaked memos "we traded security for ease of use".
Soldering irons were already on shaky legal ground due to the DMCA.
Encryption over the airwaves is highly regulated.
For instance, hams can't even obscure their signal, much less encrypt it. I'm not sure of the laws on consumer devices, but's it's probably limited to specifically, explicitely defined encryption protocols and then only within the true consumer frequencies. (902-928Mhz) and 2.4Ghz, and also a slice around 40Mhz for old phones and intercoms.
Maybe someone with more definite knowledge can fill in my gaps.
Just like Circuit City had a huge impact on the way we watch DVDs.
Lndows could define all of their releases as beta,
Yeah, did Napster ever make a final release? All throughout the controversy it was "beta". I switched totally to linux around the time that napster was just getting media attention, so I am not familiar with the timeline later on.
Our economy is driven by people making exchanges that create mutual benefit.
99% of the purchases I make at home and for work are due to a need, and seeking out the solution to that need at a price that was reasonable for that need. When I go to a site that is "marketing based" with little actual technical info, I usually try to find another vendor, one that posts full technical specs, not marketing bullshit.
I'm sure I'm not alone.