However, for some uses, like the ones that we are using them for, moving very large files around, and just storing them cheaply, IDE was the way to go.
I am not saying that IDE is technologically better, that would be stupid. I'm saying it has a place, a place that some people might ignore in the large server market because of an almost reglious devotion to SCSI.
You need to look at the needs of the project at hand, and design a solution that works with the best cost benefit ratio. For us, that included massive IDE arrays.
It's probably front end overload of your reciever. If a signal is strong enough, you will hear it on every frequency.
There isn't much you can do. Try sticking a ferrite on any power cords attached to the reciever, and any other non-antenna cables.
As an unlicensed user of the radio spectrum, you pretty much have to accept any interference generated by any other part 15 device. It's possible his phone is malfunctioning, but it's more likely your reciever is just overwhelmed by it's signal.
You might want to ask him if he can relocate the base station part of it, or you can relocate the base station part of your equipment. That might help.
You could also just put metal screen inside all your walls, celing, and floor, that will solve all future interference problems for good.
First off, you talk about dividends, and yet MSFT has NEVER ONCE paid a dividend.
You implied earlier that somehow earnings were automatically distributed as dividends, this shows a clear ignorance of the stock market, or if that isn't the case, then a twisting of the facts to confuse those less familiar with the stock market that might fall for your ruse.
Second, I never said RHAT was "great stock" per se. I was only originally responding to the original post that said there were "no viable Linux companies".
I'm not promoting anything. I'm just pointing out some facts.
A lot of your numbers are just wrong. RHAT has 63 cents per share in cash, with about 169 million shares outstanding. This is about 106 million dollars in cash.
This is all irrelevant though. RHAT is putting itself in a position where they will be rolling in the money. They aren't in direct competition with MSFT at all, the are more in competition with Sun, and other Unix vendors.
RHAT concentrates on legacy UNIX->Linux conversions. MS can continue to push their toy products for home DSL users to use, and it won't affect the people that need real servers, and it won't matter to RHAT either.
What are you, fifteen fucking years old, and dumb enough to think you know everything?
Damn man, did you forget to hit the "post anonymously" button?
Those data centers are what (i'm guessing) 2% of companies need for IT support. The other 98% look for solutions that fit the problem within a certain budget.
Ever stop to think that the "best technology at any cost, even if we don't need it" philosophy may have contributed in large part to the economic collapse in the tech sector?
In regard to the other thread... I built those servers in the first link. We aren't running some huge database, they are used as a large archival and retrival system. It doesn't have to be particularly fast, only big, and reasonably fast. It was the best solution to the problem. They write at 25-35MB/sec, read at 85-140MB/sec, depending on file system and load type.
Red Hat's Market Cap is 1.259B at the end of business today. That is not huge.
It is, considering their revenues.
As for the "tons of cash they have to sit on", it can best be described as: $68M. If they continue to burn -15M per quarter (which is generous, considering the previous three quarters they lost -55M, -27M, and -34M)
You keep referring to the amortization of goodwill as a loss. It isn't. Goodwill is a worthless asset on the balance sheet. The one time charges that RHAT is taking are not of dubious nature like the Cisco inventory write-down, RHAT's one times are "money" that was spent a long time ago (It wasn't really money, only in the opportunity cost sense).
Returning 0.01 per share isn't much of an achievement is it? On an investment of $1000 (~100 shares right now) you'd get $1 per quarter ($4 a year). After paying capital gains you and the wife might be able to split a diet coke at the local soda fountain.
Do you even understand how the stock market works?
Oh, I see by your later paragraphs. You are a microsoftie. I guess that allows you to totally disregard the way accounting and the stock market works.
Speaking of this, back when AOL gave out their software on 1.44MB floppy disks, they had a form online where you could request a free kit.
I set up a script to request several hundred kits, and they actually sent them to me. A month or two later they put a little notice about "limit 5 kits per month".
It was too bad, I really liked getting free High Density floppies.
I think it would be less obvious to just grab 20-30 at a time. Call 10-20 friends and go in one by one, and grab a handful. Do this every day, and eventually you will have thousands of them.
Now, if we could only figure out how to make a Beowu... OK, sorry, I won't go there.:)
RHAT is very viable, not bleeding money, and actually not cooking their books in any serious way.
They have a huge market cap, due to the staggering number of outstanding shares, but in all, they exploited their high stock price in a very intelligent way with their secondary offering, instead of buying tons of worthless companies with their inflated stock. Now they have a ton of cash to sit on, and even though they paid a lot for some companies, and they are still charging that off in large chunks, their pro forma earnings are pretty close to true earnings.
If thier stock goes up enough to see massive employee options exercising, then there might be an additional dilution issue, but as long as they stay below $10 a share for a while, they will be in a healthy position with a sane stock price, and a winning business plan.
One thing that would be interesting is to see how the RHAT case gets settled. The RHAT case was different because RHAT itself was named as the defendant in the suits, not their brokerages. It never made any sense to me to sue a company over what their brokerages did, and apparently it didn't to Red Hat either, they responded to the suit publicly by saying that they had retained the world's leading brokerages, and had no knowledge of anything illegal going on. Sounds like a pretty solid defense to me.
Hot swap should not be necessary, since with the money we saved, we were able to build two completely redundant systems and STILL be less cost than SCSI.
5400 RPM is to save on power supplies. 7200 RPM drives would have pulled a lot more on startup, because yes, there is no way in IDE to delay spin up.
For future expansion, once we max out these current systems, we will use external IDE-SCSI chassis, they take ATA drives, hardware RAID them, and then connect to the host computer via SCSI. We can add these to infinity, and save tons of money by never buying a single SCSI drive.
Did you follow any of the links? The IDE controllers have 8 ports of dedicated bandwidth. Not shared like SCSI. A single SCSI bus is like an ethernet hub, this is like an ethernet switch, and the disks cost 1/3rd less.
Sure, SCSI's better, but only until you look at cost.
Please never order from TigerDirect. Check the BBB record on them and resellerratings.com. They are the target of many consumer lawsuits, and have a terrible record.
For those of us who's time is worth a little less than $120/hr, it's a pretty good deal to just build our own.
I'm building my own 6 node, Duron 950 for a total hardware cost of $1300. That could have just as easily been 8 nodes for $1700, had I the money to spend on two more nodes.
Do you have any information on setting up a shared SCSI bus like this? I'd be very interested in doing it, but I have not been able to find any information about it.
You are correct, but it all depends on one's application. Latency may or may not be a big factor in one's application. If it isn't, then you can easily save thousands of dollars with a cluster.
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This is more like the stupid europeans paying millions of dollars for little trinkets. The exact opposite.
You are totally correct.
However, for some uses, like the ones that we are using them for, moving very large files around, and just storing them cheaply, IDE was the way to go.
I am not saying that IDE is technologically better, that would be stupid. I'm saying it has a place, a place that some people might ignore in the large server market because of an almost reglious devotion to SCSI.
You need to look at the needs of the project at hand, and design a solution that works with the best cost benefit ratio. For us, that included massive IDE arrays.
The site was down for a long while due to a hosting problem. He has recently brought it back up and is going to start releasing disks again very soon.
Link
That was hilarious.
It's probably front end overload of your reciever. If a signal is strong enough, you will hear it on every frequency.
There isn't much you can do. Try sticking a ferrite on any power cords attached to the reciever, and any other non-antenna cables.
As an unlicensed user of the radio spectrum, you pretty much have to accept any interference generated by any other part 15 device. It's possible his phone is malfunctioning, but it's more likely your reciever is just overwhelmed by it's signal.
You might want to ask him if he can relocate the base station part of it, or you can relocate the base station part of your equipment. That might help.
You could also just put metal screen inside all your walls, celing, and floor, that will solve all future interference problems for good.
And considering "radio waves" are just EM waves.... They better call Monty Burns to come block out the Sun, and all other sources of light.
And candles are definitely verboten. Only a life of total EM darkness will be safe for these people.
Oh yeah, the seatbelts were part of the door, now that I think about it. I never thought to leave them buckled and get out of the car though. :)
First off, you talk about dividends, and yet MSFT has NEVER ONCE paid a dividend.
You implied earlier that somehow earnings were automatically distributed as dividends, this shows a clear ignorance of the stock market, or if that isn't the case, then a twisting of the facts to confuse those less familiar with the stock market that might fall for your ruse.
Second, I never said RHAT was "great stock" per se. I was only originally responding to the original post that said there were "no viable Linux companies".
I'm not promoting anything. I'm just pointing out some facts.
A lot of your numbers are just wrong. RHAT has 63 cents per share in cash, with about 169 million shares outstanding. This is about 106 million dollars in cash.
This is all irrelevant though. RHAT is putting itself in a position where they will be rolling in the money. They aren't in direct competition with MSFT at all, the are more in competition with Sun, and other Unix vendors.
RHAT concentrates on legacy UNIX->Linux conversions. MS can continue to push their toy products for home DSL users to use, and it won't affect the people that need real servers, and it won't matter to RHAT either.
You know, personal attacks are a sign that your argument is too weak to defend using rational means.
I'm done with this thread, it's going no where.
Funny, I had a 1992 Nissan that had neither airbags or auto-seatbelts.
I totaled it though. I'm glad it didn't have airbags, I'd have probably been hurt worse. The seatbelt was plenty of restraint.
What are you, fifteen fucking years old, and dumb enough to think you know everything?
Damn man, did you forget to hit the "post anonymously" button?
Those data centers are what (i'm guessing) 2% of companies need for IT support. The other 98% look for solutions that fit the problem within a certain budget.
Ever stop to think that the "best technology at any cost, even if we don't need it" philosophy may have contributed in large part to the economic collapse in the tech sector?
In regard to the other thread... I built those servers in the first link. We aren't running some huge database, they are used as a large archival and retrival system. It doesn't have to be particularly fast, only big, and reasonably fast. It was the best solution to the problem. They write at 25-35MB/sec, read at 85-140MB/sec, depending on file system and load type.
Red Hat's Market Cap is 1.259B at the end of business today. That is not huge.
It is, considering their revenues.
As for the "tons of cash they have to sit on", it can best be described as: $68M. If they continue to burn -15M per quarter (which is generous, considering the previous three quarters they lost -55M, -27M, and -34M)
You keep referring to the amortization of goodwill as a loss. It isn't. Goodwill is a worthless asset on the balance sheet. The one time charges that RHAT is taking are not of dubious nature like the Cisco inventory write-down, RHAT's one times are "money" that was spent a long time ago (It wasn't really money, only in the opportunity cost sense).
Returning 0.01 per share isn't much of an achievement is it? On an investment of $1000 (~100 shares right now) you'd get $1 per quarter ($4 a year). After paying capital gains you and the wife might be able to split a diet coke at the local soda fountain.
Do you even understand how the stock market works?
Oh, I see by your later paragraphs. You are a microsoftie. I guess that allows you to totally disregard the way accounting and the stock market works.
Speaking of this, back when AOL gave out their software on 1.44MB floppy disks, they had a form online where you could request a free kit.
I set up a script to request several hundred kits, and they actually sent them to me. A month or two later they put a little notice about "limit 5 kits per month".
It was too bad, I really liked getting free High Density floppies.
Freelinuxcd.org could put your burned copies to much better use.
I think it would be less obvious to just grab 20-30 at a time. Call 10-20 friends and go in one by one, and grab a handful. Do this every day, and eventually you will have thousands of them.
:)
Now, if we could only figure out how to make a Beowu... OK, sorry, I won't go there.
If the "poor" were day trading IPOs then they deserved it.
Your idea of poor and my idea of poor are obviously very very different.
RHAT is very viable, not bleeding money, and actually not cooking their books in any serious way.
They have a huge market cap, due to the staggering number of outstanding shares, but in all, they exploited their high stock price in a very intelligent way with their secondary offering, instead of buying tons of worthless companies with their inflated stock. Now they have a ton of cash to sit on, and even though they paid a lot for some companies, and they are still charging that off in large chunks, their pro forma earnings are pretty close to true earnings.
If thier stock goes up enough to see massive employee options exercising, then there might be an additional dilution issue, but as long as they stay below $10 a share for a while, they will be in a healthy position with a sane stock price, and a winning business plan.
Disclaimer: I own some RHAT shares.
One thing that would be interesting is to see how the RHAT case gets settled. The RHAT case was different because RHAT itself was named as the defendant in the suits, not their brokerages. It never made any sense to me to sue a company over what their brokerages did, and apparently it didn't to Red Hat either, they responded to the suit publicly by saying that they had retained the world's leading brokerages, and had no knowledge of anything illegal going on. Sounds like a pretty solid defense to me.
Hot swap should not be necessary, since with the money we saved, we were able to build two completely redundant systems and STILL be less cost than SCSI.
5400 RPM is to save on power supplies. 7200 RPM drives would have pulled a lot more on startup, because yes, there is no way in IDE to delay spin up.
For future expansion, once we max out these current systems, we will use external IDE-SCSI chassis, they take ATA drives, hardware RAID them, and then connect to the host computer via SCSI. We can add these to infinity, and save tons of money by never buying a single SCSI drive.
I don't know of any high end RAID that uses 10 or 15K rpm drives. (not saying they don't exist, just that it isn't usual to do so)
The heat situation would be terrible, and so would spin up power requirements.
Did you follow any of the links? The IDE controllers have 8 ports of dedicated bandwidth. Not shared like SCSI. A single SCSI bus is like an ethernet hub, this is like an ethernet switch, and the disks cost 1/3rd less.
Sure, SCSI's better, but only until you look at cost.
Please never order from TigerDirect. Check the BBB record on them and resellerratings.com. They are the target of many consumer lawsuits, and have a terrible record.
So you make $250,000 a year?
For those of us who's time is worth a little less than $120/hr, it's a pretty good deal to just build our own.
I'm building my own 6 node, Duron 950 for a total hardware cost of $1300. That could have just as easily been 8 nodes for $1700, had I the money to spend on two more nodes.
Do you have any information on setting up a shared SCSI bus like this? I'd be very interested in doing it, but I have not been able to find any information about it.
gigs at vt dot edu
You are correct, but it all depends on one's application. Latency may or may not be a big factor in one's application. If it isn't, then you can easily save thousands of dollars with a cluster.